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Now that we're just two weeks six days from September 2, 2004, let us =
consider some of the more conspicuous upsides and downsides to the =
imminent Al-Qaeda attack(s) against the United States of America-attacks =
which could very well go nuclear, biological and/or chemical, God =
forbid. In this sense, the threatened nuclear attacks of September 2, =
2004 shall harvest vastly fewer casualties than an exceedingly virulent, =
mutating level-4+ biological attack would from something like Ebola, et =
al military-grade viruses on the RNC convention, as against major train =
and subway stations, international airports, shopping malls, sold-out =
football stadiums, cruise liners, cargo ships, tourist attractions, ad =
infinitum. If that were to happen, then many 100s of millions-probably =
four to five billion-would die worldwide within a month of its =
orchestrated release on their crowded targets, especially where it is =
used against those in transit. And for this reason, notwithstanding =
their terminal criminal insanity, I sincerely doubt that even murderous =
Al-Qaeda fanatics want to kill all of their fellow Jihadists in the =
world and all of their Muslim families along with murdering everyone =
else on the planet. So it's unlikely that such a global killer WMD =
should be deployed by Al-Qaeda, at least not intentionally. Rather, the =
greatest threat is that Al-Qaeda shall detonate one or more suitcase =
nukes in major population centers here in the USA, and will also =
simultaneously supplement their nuclear genocides against the US with =
co-opted chemical attacks on several lesser US targets, such as those =
recently mentioned in the new, August 16th issue of TIME magazine. Come =
to think of it, I'm inclined to wonder if at least one of those suitcase =
nukes hasn't found its way into Tel-Aviv? Israel and the USA are joined =
at the hip, baby. Threats to the US are threats to Israel, and vice =
versa. When we say Judeo-Xian, we do not speak thus without passion. =
It's religious and it's socio-political. We know that every Jewish- and =
Xian- American holds Israeli soil just as dearly as we hold our own: =
else if not, then that traitorous gawd-damned infidel has absolutely no =
right to call his- or her-self a Jew or a Xian.
The only people who will truly be winners in this post-nuclear aftermath =
are those who're lucky enough else otherwise wise enough to be upwind =
and sufficiently distant afar off from ground zero to avoid direct =
exposure to the deadly radiation. But even we "lucky" survivors will be =
staring nuclear Armageddon right in the face, meaning we'll be living to =
face the reality of it. We'll know that our North American Strategic Air =
Defense Command has, by direct order of the President (either Bush or =
Cheney, I can not tell which), we have retaliated against every =
extremist Islamic state on the planet using the full fury of our nuclear =
arsenal-to the tune of megatons. And we'll all know that life on Earth =
will never be the same again. We'll instantly discover that our =
continued survival depends on safe, low-radiation sources of potable =
water more than anything else in the world. In remote locations, meaning =
several hundred miles or more from the nearest ground zero of a =
10-kiloton blast, relatively safe drinking water will probably remain as =
plentiful it's usually been for that area, albeit post-nuclear effects =
on global weather patterns could cause natural water sources to increase =
or decrease significantly, or even drastically: Death Valley could =
become a lake, or even part of the Pacific ocean. And Lake Powell could =
become the new Death Valley. But the closer you get to ground zero, and =
downwind of it, then potable water will become scarce-worth its weight =
in gold in some places. Thus millions more will die not of radiation, =
but of simple dehydration. Fortunately, our military will help =
tremendously by aggressively rationing bottled water where it's most =
needed, but those without potable water in the first few days after the =
attack will surely die. In such cases, they're probably already =
suffering from terminal radiation sickness, such that potable water =
wouldn't help them in any case. They're dead meat.
Practically every survivor of the nuclear holocaust will have lost close =
relatives and loved ones who were living or traveling in the afflicted =
areas. And many who could've survived won't survive, because they will =
die of fright, literally of a terror-induced heart attack. Their hearts =
will fail them for fear-just like the Bible says. Undiluted TERROR =
wields the real potential for killing as many or more frightened souls =
around the world than the very nuclear strikes they're so afraid of. =
Those suffering from a heart condition will be the first to go.
Every grocery store shelf in the country might be stripped bare within =
72 hours of the attack were it not for strict food-rationing under =
martial law. Fossil fuels, especially gasoline and diesel, will also be =
rationed. The price for a barrel of sweet crude could top $300 for the =
first few months after the attack, and the price for a gallon of gas =
will surely top $20. Needless to say, commerce will come to a complete =
standstill for the first few weeks after the attack. But on the upside, =
the daily quota of global air pollution will be drastically reduced, and =
for the long-term. The freeways and main thoroughfares will become =
crowded sidewalks. Bicycles will be hugely-popular. And the new economy =
which emerges like Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former existence =
will bear little or no resemblance to that which preceded it.
Electricity will be rationed, and will probably double or triple in =
price. Same with natural gas. Most of America's infrastructure will =
remain intact, and most services will continue to be provided-just at a =
higher cost, and in limited availability due to federally-imposed =
rationing.
Unemployment will surely top 50% for the first few months after the =
attack. But don't worry, most of those who're temporarily unemployed =
will be busy enough coping with day-to-day life in the post-WWIII world, =
as will those who're still working. The war is over in one hour, but the =
trials and tribulations of we survivors will have only just begun. =
Building our new global empire-which is wholly devoid of war-will take =
many decades at least.
Alternative energy sources, like solar panels, wind-powered and =
water-wheel generators, will quickly be bought up. But then the demand =
for generators will rise dramatically, so generator manufacturing plants =
will need to expand and hire more workers in t
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Lots of speculation - completely unfounded. IMO, if al-Qaeda had =
suitcase nukes, we would have known by now.
In any case, you will be discredited shortly.
Chris
Now that we're just two weeks six days from September 2, 2004, let us =
consider some of the more conspicuous upsides and downsides to the =
imminent Al-Qaeda attack(s) against the United States of America-attacks =
which could very well go nuclear, biological and/or chemical, God =
forbid. In this sense, the threatened nuclear attacks of September 2, =
2004 shall harvest vastly fewer casualties than an exceedingly virulent, =
mutating level-4+ biological attack would from something like Ebola, et =
al military-grade viruses on the RNC convention, as against major train =
and subway stations, international airports, shopping malls, sold-out =
football stadiums, cruise liners, cargo ships, tourist attractions, ad =
infinitum. If that were to happen, then many 100s of millions-probably =
four to five billion-would die worldwide within a month of its =
orchestrated release on their crowded targets, especially where it is =
used against those in transit. And for this reason, notwithstanding =
their terminal criminal insanity, I sincerely doubt that even murderous =
Al-Qaeda fanatics want to kill all of their fellow Jihadists in the =
world and all of their Muslim families along with murdering everyone =
else on the planet. So it's unlikely that such a global killer WMD =
should be deployed by Al-Qaeda, at least not intentionally. Rather, the =
greatest threat is that Al-Qaeda shall detonate one or more suitcase =
nukes in major population centers here in the USA, and will also =
simultaneously supplement their nuclear genocides against the US with =
co-opted chemical attacks on several lesser US targets, such as those =
recently mentioned in the new, August 16th issue of TIME magazine. Come =
to think of it, I'm inclined to wonder if at least one of those suitcase =
nukes hasn't found its way into Tel-Aviv? Israel and the USA are joined =
at the hip, baby. Threats to the US are threats to Israel, and vice =
versa. When we say Judeo-Xian, we do not speak thus without passion. =
It's religious and it's socio-political. We know that every Jewish- and =
Xian- American holds Israeli soil just as dearly as we hold our own: =
else if not, then that traitorous gawd-damned infidel has absolutely no =
right to call his- or her-self a Jew or a Xian.
The only people who will truly be winners in this post-nuclear =
aftermath are those who're lucky enough else otherwise wise enough to be =
upwind and sufficiently distant afar off from ground zero to avoid =
direct exposure to the deadly radiation. But even we "lucky" survivors =
will be staring nuclear Armageddon right in the face, meaning we'll be =
living to face the reality of it. We'll know that our North American =
Strategic Air Defense Command has, by direct order of the President =
(either Bush or Cheney, I can not tell which), we have retaliated =
against every extremist Islamic state on the planet using the full fury =
of our nuclear arsenal-to the tune of megatons. And we'll all know that =
life on Earth will never be the same again. We'll instantly discover =
that our continued survival depends on safe, low-radiation sources of =
potable water more than anything else in the world. In remote locations, =
meaning several hundred miles or more from the nearest ground zero of a =
10-kiloton blast, relatively safe drinking water will probably remain as =
plentiful it's usually been for that area, albeit post-nuclear effects =
on global weather patterns could cause natural water sources to increase =
or decrease significantly, or even drastically: Death Valley could =
become a lake, or even part of the Pacific ocean. And Lake Powell could =
become the new Death Valley. But the closer you get to ground zero, and =
downwind of it, then potable water will become scarce-worth its weight =
in gold in some places. Thus millions more will die not of radiation, =
but of simple dehydration. Fortunately, our military will help =
tremendously by aggressively rationing bottled water where it's most =
needed, but those without potable water in the first few days after the =
attack will surely die. In such cases, they're probably already =
suffering from terminal radiation sickness, such that potable water =
wouldn't help them in any case. They're dead meat.
Practically every survivor of the nuclear holocaust will have lost =
close relatives and loved ones who were living or traveling in the =
afflicted areas. And many who could've survived won't survive, because =
they will die of fright, literally of a terror-induced heart attack. =
Their hearts will fail them for fear-just like the Bible says. Undiluted =
TERROR wields the real potential for killing as many or more frightened =
souls around the world than the very nuclear strikes they're so afraid =
of. Those suffering from a heart condition will be the first to go.
Every grocery store shelf in the country might be stripped bare within =
72 hours of the attack were it not for strict food-rationing under =
martial law. Fossil fuels, especially gasoline and diesel, will also be =
rationed. The price for a barrel of sweet crude could top $300 for the =
first few months after the attack, and the price for a gallon of gas =
will surely top $20. Needless to say, commerce will come to a complete =
standstill for the first few weeks after the attack. But on the upside, =
the daily quota of global air pollution will be drastically reduced, and =
for the long-term. The freeways and main thoroughfares will become =
crowded sidewalks. Bicycles will be hugely-popular. And the new economy =
which emerges like Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former existence =
will bear little or no resemblance to that which preceded it.
Electricity will be rationed, and will probably double or triple in =
price. Same with natural gas. Most of America's infrastructure will =
remain intact, and most services will continue to be provided-just at a =
higher cost, and in limited availability due to federally-imposed =
rationing.
Unemployment will surely top 50% for the first few months after the =
attack. But don't worry, most of those who're temporarily unemployed =
will be busy enough coping with day-to-day life in the post-WWIII world, =
as will those who're still working. The war is over in one hour, but the =
trials and tribulations of we survivors will have only just begun. =
Building our new global empire-which is wholly devoid of war-will take
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Daniel Joseph Min a crit:
Now that were just two weeks six days from September 2, 2004, let us
consider some of the more conspicuous upsides and downsides to the
imminent Al-Qaeda attack(s) against the United States of Americaattacks
which could very well go nuclear, biological and/or chemical, God
forbid. In this sense, the threatened nuclear attacks of September 2,
2004 shall harvest vastly fewer casualties than an exceedingly virulent,
mutating level-4+ biological attack would from something like Ebola, et
al military-grade viruses on the RNC convention, as against major train
and subway stations, international airports, shopping malls, sold-out
football stadiums, cruise liners, cargo ships, tourist attractions, ad
infinitum. If that were to happen, then many 100s of
millionsprobably four to five billionwould die worldwide within a
month of its orchestrated release on their crowded targets,
especially where it is used against those in transit. And for this
reason, notwithstanding their terminal criminal insanity, I sincerely
doubt that even murderous Al-Qaeda fanatics want to kill all of their
fellow Jihadists in the world and all of their Muslim families along
with murdering everyone else on the planet.
It sounds crazy, but just because you put a date on it, and that only
God can know the future. Maybe, if you had not put a date, it wouldn't
be that crazy.
Now what you shouldn't doubt, maybe, is that the fanatics could hesitate
to kill everything on earth. Let me demonstrate. Follow the reasoning.
They think in their madness that the duty of all the Muslims is divided
into two Jihad's, the lesser Jihad and the greater Jihad... They promote
this: http://i-cias.com/e.o/jihad.htm
and pass it around their key sites like say:
http://lexicorient.com/cgi-bin/eo-direct-frame.pl?http://i-cias.com/e.o/jihad.htm
While the greater Jihad is something spiritual, according to this, the
lesser jihad (which they invented was in the Koran, but can't be found
there as far as I can tell), oblige all Muslims to wage real war to all
those who go by another book than them, until they have submitted to
their leaders... And we are the lucky ones in that scheme.
Quote (all quotes are from that link above):
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"The enemies of Islam are divided into two groups, the Peoples of the
book, hlu l-kitb and the pagans, the kfirn. The first group, defined
as Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, and Mandeans need only to submit to
an Islamic ruler, and live in peace with other Muslims to end the
situation where jihad is imperative.
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But get this, the others, those who don't follow a book, like the bible,
or Zoroastre writings, get a harsher choice, convert or die.
Quote:
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For the pagans there is a principle fairly similar, but they get less
rights under the Muslim ruler than the Peoples of the book. While this
group generally can live safely inside a Muslim society, some Muslims
have propagated that these should either convert to Islam or face death
penalty.
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But they give all of non-muslims a little time to decide if they will
convert or die.
Quote:
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In situations where the Muslim rulers mean that war has to be waged
against the infidels, they should be allowed sufficient of time to
convert before the Muslim army attacks.
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And it is not exactly like the draft, more like voluntary engagement,
except they have to wage war, so they have to make sure there are
sufficient Jihadists in every community:
Quote:
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Jihad is a duty for every Muslim community, but not necessarily for
every individual: it's sufficient that a certain number of the able men
perform jihad. The one who dies in the battle against the infidels,
becomes a martyr, a shahid, and is guaranteed a place in Paradise as
well as certain privileges there.
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So you see, if they die performing Jihad, i.e. while killing innocents
who so not share their beliefs, they themselves are go to heaven.
But it is not all. According to this "encyclopedia", all Sunnis can
decide to start war; but with Shiites, the Iman decides when it is time
to implement the Jihad and go to war.
Quote:
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While offensive jihad, i.e. attacking, is fully permissible in Sunni
Islam, it is prohibited for some of the larger groups of Shi'i Islam,
which consider only the Imam, now in occultation, as carrying the right
to decide to go to war or not.
The Kharijis regard jihad as the sixth pillar of Islam, a position that
other groups of Islam have adhered to earlier.
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Now, to come back to your suggestion, that they would hesitate to kill
their brothers, you have to consider that we have seen that they don't
make any difference now whether Muslims die in their war or not, whether
it be AlQaeda, or the Hamas, or the other losers on the terrorist lists,
these improvised leaders pretend that the victims who are Muslims also
automatically go to heaven anyway if this happen.
And their only goal is to go to "heaven" (it is hell on earth for them,
of course, once on the other side, God certainly won't reward them for
destroying His creation, so they have no clue either way, but I digress).
The fact is that they want all to submit to them or convert (according
to their level o f "infidelity") or else they kill them, ok?
So far, it is clear?
But yo will say, the gang who AlQaeda represent is whahabee. But they
all admire him, remember the poll in he Arab world that showed that a
majority would like binny as a leader. His fan club may be larger than
we think.
Remember that Iman who was busted last week for trying to provide money
for missiles to AlQaeda against some embassy to start some conflict,
well he believed in the greater Jihad according to the news, IMO, they
meant the lesser one, but the point is that Iman and muslim community
don't share this with us, why would they, we are branded as the enemies
of Islam, they don't even tell us what they think, they wait for the
right moment.
Now, think about it, and this will be my final point, if they judge that
they can't achieve the task in submitting or converting an infide
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It's not my fault that you're a loathsomely under-educated milquetoast =
who's too damn lazy to keep up with these extremely dangerous times. =
Remember 9/11? This is going to be 9/11 multiplied by ten thousand.
And I quote:
Author: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons Inside U.S.
Stewart Stogel, NewsMax.com
Wednesday, July 14, 2004
A new book written by a former FBI consultant claims that al-Qaida not =
only has
obtained nuclear devices, but also likely has them in the U.S. and =
will
detonate them in the near future.These chilling allegations appear in =
"Osama's
Revenge: The Next 9/11: What the Media and the Government Haven't Told =
You," by
Paul L. Williams (Prometheus Books).
Williams claims that al-Qaida has been planning a spectacular nuclear =
attack
using six or seven suitcase nuclear bombs that would be detonated
simulantaneously in U.S. cities.
"They want the most bang for the buck, and that is nuclear," Williams =
told NewsMax.
=20
"I expect such an attack would come between now and the end of 2005," =
the author said.
=20
In addition to writing several books on terrorism, Williams, an =
investigative journalist, has worked as an FBI consultant.
=20
Williams' contention is not far from what U.S. intelligence believes, =
a source close to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has told =
NewsMax. The source said Ridge claimed that U.S. intelligence believes =
terrorists already have smuggled into the U.S. actual atomic devices, as =
opposed to so-called "dirty nukes" that simply are conventional bombs =
that help spread radiation.
The Bush administration has warned for years that terrorists pose a =
nuclear threat to America.
Williams' book presents a review of the increasing spread of nuclear =
weapons technology, which the author says can be traced to India's =
nuclear tests in the early 1970s. It accelerated when the Soviet Union =
collapsed in 1991.
Shortly after the Indian nuclear tests, Pakistan made an all-out =
effort to join the nuclear club, the author says. Islamabad received =
help from sympathetic nations, namely China and North Korea.
Williams traces the rampant spread of nuclear bomb development to a =
leading Pakistani scientist, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan.
=20
Khan, described as an "Islamic extremist," also has been depicted by =
former CIA chief George Tenet as "the father of Pakistan's nuclear =
program."
=20
It is believed the Pakistani gained his expertise while working in the =
Netherlands, where he allegedly stole technology used in uranium =
reprocessing, a key procedure for building an atomic bomb.
=20
Pakistan successfully detonated two nuclear weapons inside a northern =
mountain range in the late 1990s.
Khan, arrested by Pakistani police in February under White House =
pressure, admitted selling nuclear technology to numerous foreign =
countries, including North Korea and Libya.
=20
Williams reports that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was =
investigating Khan at the time he was kidnapped and later killed in =
2003.
Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, fearing a backlash from radical =
Muslims, granted Khan a pardon but restricted his travels.
According to Williams, another beneficiary of Khan's "contacts" was =
al-Qaida. The author reports that the U.S. got its first "hard" evidence =
of a connection when it invaded the Afghan capital of Kabul in 2001.
=20
A former al-Qaida safe house was found to be loaded with documents =
detailing dealings with the Pakistani scientist.
The finding was so serious, says Williams, that Tenet traveled to =
Afghanistan and Pakistan to follow up on the discovery.
=20
Tenet: 'They Are Coming'
Perhaps it was such intelligence that led Tenet to say in October =
2002: "The threat environment we face is as bad as it was before =
September 11. It is serious. They have reconstituted. They are coming =
after us."
Almost from the moment 9/11 happened, the U.S. has been on a =
heightened state of alert and worry over the possible use of nuclear =
weapons. On the day of the attack, President Bush left Florida and began =
criss-crossing the country in Air Force One in maneuvers consistent with =
a president preparing for a nuclear attack.
=20
Shortly after Sept. 11, Taliban leader Mullah Omar claimed to the BBC =
that the main intent of al-Qaida was the "bigger cause," which he =
described as the "destruction of America."
=20
Asked pointedly if this meant the use of nuclear weapons againt the =
U.S., he responded: "This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for =
God's help. The real matter is the extinction of America. And, God =
willing, it will fall to the ground."
=20
Omar cryptically suggested that a nuclear plan was already under way =
at the time of Sept. 11.
=20
He said: "The plan is going ahead and, God willing, it is being =
implemented. But it is a huge task, which is beyond the will and =
comprehension of human beings. If God's help is with us, this will =
happen within a short period of time; keep in mind this prediction."
=20
The Russian Connection
The author points out that the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 =
made matters worse:
=20
"The Chechen Mafia reportedly sold twenty nuclear suitcases in Grozny =
to representatives of Osama bin Laden and the Mujahadeen [in 1996]. For =
their weapons, bin Laden paid $30 million in cash and two tons of =
heroin."
=20
Al-Qaida's leader, says Williams, is a major drug producer and runner =
in Afghanistan.
=20
"It is the drug money, not the bin Laden family fortune, that is the =
financial engine for al-Qaida," he points out.
=20
Today, Williams says, more than 40 Russian "nuclear suitcases" cannot =
be accounted for.
=20
The suitcases are miniaturized tactical nuclear bombs (in some cases =
weighing less than 40 pounds) that originally were planned by the Cold =
War-era Kremlin to be detonated inside the U.S. in the event of war.
=20
Most could cause damage equal to or greater than the crude device =
Washington dropped on Hiroshima during World War II.
=20
The author says some of these weapons still remain stateside in a =
"sleeper" status controlled by Russian military officials who believe a =
war with the U.S. "is still possible."
=20
Others, as many as 10, might be under al-Qaida's control, says =
Williams.
What kind of damage could such a weapon do? The CIA estimates the =
Russian nuclear suitcases to have an explosive yield approaching 10 =
kilotons.
Wil
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It's not my fault that you're a loathsomely under-educated milquetoast who
's too damn lazy to keep up
with these extremely dangerous times. Remember 9/11? This is going to be
9/11 multiplied by ten
thousand...
Are you going to be man enough to retract your statements when this alleged
catastrophe manages to be 9/11 multiplied by one-ten thousandth?
My prediction is that it won't be as dangerous as flatulence after a
chili-eating contest and not -near- as "deadly" downwind as the
aforementioned explosion.
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Why should the governments tell if Al Qaida got nuclear bombs?
Would only cause mass hysteria and people wouldn't go to work, thus =
generating less tax money.
Lots of speculation - completely unfounded. IMO, if al-Qaeda had =
suitcase nukes, we would have known by now.
In any case, you will be discredited shortly.
Chris
Now that we're just two weeks six days from September 2, 2004, let =
us consider some of the more conspicuous upsides and downsides to the =
imminent Al-Qaeda attack(s) against the United States of America-attacks =
which could very well go nuclear, biological and/or chemical, God =
forbid. In this sense, the threatened nuclear attacks of September 2, =
2004 shall harvest vastly fewer casualties than an exceedingly virulent, =
mutating level-4+ biological attack would from something like Ebola, et =
al military-grade viruses on the RNC convention, as against major train =
and subway stations, international airports, shopping malls, sold-out =
football stadiums, cruise liners, cargo ships, tourist attractions, ad =
infinitum. If that were to happen, then many 100s of millions-probably =
four to five billion-would die worldwide within a month of its =
orchestrated release on their crowded targets, especially where it is =
used against those in transit. And for this reason, notwithstanding =
their terminal criminal insanity, I sincerely doubt that even murderous =
Al-Qaeda fanatics want to kill all of their fellow Jihadists in the =
world and all of their Muslim families along with murdering everyone =
else on the planet. So it's unlikely that such a global killer WMD =
should be deployed by Al-Qaeda, at least not intentionally. Rather, the =
greatest threat is that Al-Qaeda shall detonate one or more suitcase =
nukes in major population centers here in the USA, and will also =
simultaneously supplement their nuclear genocides against the US with =
co-opted chemical attacks on several lesser US targets, such as those =
recently mentioned in the new, August 16th issue of TIME magazine. Come =
to think of it, I'm inclined to wonder if at least one of those suitcase =
nukes hasn't found its way into Tel-Aviv? Israel and the USA are joined =
at the hip, baby. Threats to the US are threats to Israel, and vice =
versa. When we say Judeo-Xian, we do not speak thus without passion. =
It's religious and it's socio-political. We know that every Jewish- and =
Xian- American holds Israeli soil just as dearly as we hold our own: =
else if not, then that traitorous gawd-damned infidel has absolutely no =
right to call his- or her-self a Jew or a Xian.
The only people who will truly be winners in this post-nuclear =
aftermath are those who're lucky enough else otherwise wise enough to be =
upwind and sufficiently distant afar off from ground zero to avoid =
direct exposure to the deadly radiation. But even we "lucky" survivors =
will be staring nuclear Armageddon right in the face, meaning we'll be =
living to face the reality of it. We'll know that our North American =
Strategic Air Defense Command has, by direct order of the President =
(either Bush or Cheney, I can not tell which), we have retaliated =
against every extremist Islamic state on the planet using the full fury =
of our nuclear arsenal-to the tune of megatons. And we'll all know that =
life on Earth will never be the same again. We'll instantly discover =
that our continued survival depends on safe, low-radiation sources of =
potable water more than anything else in the world. In remote locations, =
meaning several hundred miles or more from the nearest ground zero of a =
10-kiloton blast, relatively safe drinking water will probably remain as =
plentiful it's usually been for that area, albeit post-nuclear effects =
on global weather patterns could cause natural water sources to increase =
or decrease significantly, or even drastically: Death Valley could =
become a lake, or even part of the Pacific ocean. And Lake Powell could =
become the new Death Valley. But the closer you get to ground zero, and =
downwind of it, then potable water will become scarce-worth its weight =
in gold in some places. Thus millions more will die not of radiation, =
but of simple dehydration. Fortunately, our military will help =
tremendously by aggressively rationing bottled water where it's most =
needed, but those without potable water in the first few days after the =
attack will surely die. In such cases, they're probably already =
suffering from terminal radiation sickness, such that potable water =
wouldn't help them in any case. They're dead meat.
Practically every survivor of the nuclear holocaust will have lost =
close relatives and loved ones who were living or traveling in the =
afflicted areas. And many who could've survived won't survive, because =
they will die of fright, literally of a terror-induced heart attack. =
Their hearts will fail them for fear-just like the Bible says. Undiluted =
TERROR wields the real potential for killing as many or more frightened =
souls around the world than the very nuclear strikes they're so afraid =
of. Those suffering from a heart condition will be the first to go.
Every grocery store shelf in the country might be stripped bare =
within 72 hours of the attack were it not for strict food-rationing =
under martial law. Fossil fuels, especially gasoline and diesel, will =
also be rationed. The price for a barrel of sweet crude could top $300 =
for the first few months after the attack, and the price for a gallon of =
gas will surely top $20. Needless to say, commerce will come to a =
complete standstill for the first few weeks after the attack. But on the =
upside, the daily quota of global air pollution will be drastically =
reduced, and for the long-term. The freeways and main thoroughfares will =
become crowded sidewalks. Bicycles will be hugely-popular. And the new =
economy which emerges like Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former =
existence will bear little or no resemblance to that which preceded it.
Electricity will be rationed, and will probably double or triple in =
price. Same with natural gas. Most of America's infrastructure will =
remain intact, and most services will continue to be provided-just at a =
higher cost, and in limited availability due to federally-imposed =
rationing.
Unemployment will surely top 50% for the first few months after the =
attack. But don't worry, most of those who're temporarily unemployed
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This is NOT some "prediction" for troll-fodder, but is to candidly =
acknowledge the sobering reality that America and the free world are =
presently at WAR against pseudo-Islamic genocidal madmen who're =
absolutely hell-bent on murdering every Jew, Xian, Hindu, Buddhist and =
law-abiding peaceful Muslim et al on the planet.
My intent isn't to "scare" anyone, but is to draw much-needed public =
attention to what is likely to occur on September 2nd, 2004 anno Domini. =
The facts are that Al-Qaeda presently has at least six, probably seven, =
and possibly as many as ten fully-functional, Soviet-era Russian-made =
suitcase-sized 10-kiloton high-energy nuclear weapons in their =
possession right here in the United States of America. It is a FACT that =
these Al-Qaeda sleeper cells have been patiently and carefully planning =
to deliver and detonate these nuclear devices when and where maximum =
casualties can be achieved, where the greatest kill-power can be =
obtained. UBL wants to get the most "bang for the buck", not only =
because he hates us like Hitler hated the Jews, but also because UBL =
paid the Chechen Mafia $30 million in cash and two tons of heroin back =
in 1996 for these suitcase nukes according to FBI consultant Paul L. =
Williams, whose latest book "Osama's Revenge: The Next 9/11: What the =
Media and the Government Haven't Told You" covers this in startling =
detail. The RNC provides just such a target, as do other heavily-crowded =
big cities across our nation. Al-Qaeda wants just as many dead Americans =
as they can possibly murder in one fell swoop. This is because UBL knows =
that he won't get another chance, because the USA will forthwith and =
without hesitation totally exterminate the radical Muslim world by using =
the most powerful weapons we have in our nuclear arsenal. In some =
places, we may prefer to use neutron bombs to minimize radiation, but in =
more densely-populated bastions of Islamic extremism, I guarantee you =
we'll convert their cities to smoldering seas of radioactive glass by =
using our most powerful hydrogen bombs and missiles.=20
Imagine that Adolf Hitler is in charge of UBL's Al-Qaeda sleeper cells =
who're presently hiding here in the USA with their suitcase nukes, and =
that every American man, woman and child is a full-blooded, =
Torah-thumping Orthodox Jew. Now, what in the hell do you think a =
genocidal Jew-hating madman like Hitler is going to do next? You think =
he's gonna play a game of tiddlywinks? Or turn on the TV to watch =
"teletubbies" or "Barney the purple dinosaur"? It's time for America to =
sober up, and recognize the extremely grave situation developing here in =
the USA and which is rapidly escalating towards its inevitable nuclear =
climax.
That's the stark reality of the situation that we find ourselves in =
today. UBL & Co. hate us every bit as much and probably more than Hitler =
hated the Jews. Hitler only wanted to mass-murder the entire population =
of European Jews. Whereas UBL wants every last Jew & Xian on the planet =
deader than Julius C=E6sar! Fortunately, Al-Qaeda has only limited =
resources, and a few 10-kiloton nukes & such. Whereas America has =
GIGATONS of hydrogen and neutron bombs crowding the bellies of B52s & =
other heavy bombers with every extremist Islamic city in the world's =
name on them. We've got loads of ICBM missiles in silos around the =
world. And we've got heavily-armed nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers =
and other vessels packed to the gills with nuclear cruise missiles etc. =
We'd probably leave it up to our friends in the Kremlin to nuke radical =
Muslim enclaves in their part of the world. China might step up to the =
plate too, and nuke Pyongyang for us. That's because no civilized nation =
on Earth wants to cause the extinction of the entire human race, so I =
think that we can all be 100% confident that the USA, Russia and China =
are not about to start launching dozens of 100-megaton ICBMs at each =
other.
However, Al-Qaeda does have one last shot at murdering millions of =
Americans on our home turf. That's going to force the USA to utterly =
annihilate the extremist Muslim world, and we'll get the job done within =
one hour of Al-Qaeda's attack on the RNC. I do feel sorry for our =
law-abiding peaceful Muslim-American brothers and sisters who're almost =
certainly going to be arrested and interrogated en-masse under wartime =
martial law. But that'll end too, just like it did for the =
Japanese-Americans at the end of WWII. I think most of them will be =
okay.
I believe that when the smoke clears, and world begins to see the sheer =
MAGNITUDE of hellish devastation which America has wrought on the =
entire militant Muslim world, and that we accomplished all this in just =
ONE HOUR after being attacked, then the whole world is going to =
immediately sober the hell up and stop hating the USA forever. That's =
why world peace will follow September 2, 2004. No one anywhere on the =
planet will even DARE make so much as a peep of vitriolic rhetoric =
against the USA. Just watch how fast the Canadians and the French cease =
and desist from their vehemently Anti-American vitriol. They'll be =
cowering under their desks in fear of reprisal, as will anyone in =
America who has gone repeatedly on-record as being an Anti-American =
traitor. Under wartime martial law, these despicable traitors will be =
rounded up and interrogated in droves. I suspect that most of them will =
never be seen or heard from again.
C'est la vie,
Daniel Joseph Min
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Daniel:
I really do live in this area. On 911 we saw the smoke and smelled it
across the river. Can you please post past predictions of yours that
came true? You're scaring the living #@!& out of me and my friends.
Thanks in advance.
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Daniel Joseph Min a crit:
It sounds crazy, but just because you put a date on it, and that only
God can know the future. Maybe, if you had not put a date, it wouldn't
be that crazy.
Now what you shouldn't doubt, maybe, is that the fanatics could hesitate
to kill everything on earth. Let me demonstrate. Follow the reasoning.
They think in their madness that the duty of all the Muslims is divided
into two Jihad's, the lesser Jihad and the greater Jihad... They promote
this: http://i-cias.com/e.o/jihad.htm
and pass it around their key sites like say:
http://lexicorient.com/cgi-bin/eo-direct-frame.pl?http://i-cias.com/e.o/jiha
d.htm
While the greater Jihad is something spiritual, according to this, the
lesser jihad (which they invented was in the Koran, but can't be found
there as far as I can tell), oblige all Muslims to wage real war to all
those who go by another book than them, until they have submitted to
their leaders... And we are the lucky ones in that scheme.
Quote (all quotes are from that link above):
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"The enemies of Islam are divided into two groups, the Peoples of the
book, hlu l-kitb and the pagans, the kfirn. The first group, defined
as Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, and Mandeans need only to submit to
an Islamic ruler, and live in peace with other Muslims to end the
situation where jihad is imperative.
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But get this, the others, those who don't follow a book, like the bible,
or Zoroastre writings, get a harsher choice, convert or die.
Quote:
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For the pagans there is a principle fairly similar, but they get less
rights under the Muslim ruler than the Peoples of the book. While this
group generally can live safely inside a Muslim society, some Muslims
have propagated that these should either convert to Islam or face death
penalty.
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But they give all of non-muslims a little time to decide if they will
convert or die.
Quote:
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In situations where the Muslim rulers mean that war has to be waged
against the infidels, they should be allowed sufficient of time to
convert before the Muslim army attacks.
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And it is not exactly like the draft, more like voluntary engagement,
except they have to wage war, so they have to make sure there are
sufficient Jihadists in every community:
Quote:
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Jihad is a duty for every Muslim community, but not necessarily for
every individual: it's sufficient that a certain number of the able men
perform jihad. The one who dies in the battle against the infidels,
becomes a martyr, a shahid, and is guaranteed a place in Paradise as
well as certain privileges there.
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So you see, if they die performing Jihad, i.e. while killing innocents
who so not share their beliefs, they themselves are go to heaven.
But it is not all. According to this "encyclopedia", all Sunnis can
decide to start war; but with Shiites, the Iman decides when it is time
to implement the Jihad and go to war.
Quote:
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While offensive jihad, i.e. attacking, is fully permissible in Sunni
Islam, it is prohibited for some of the larger groups of Shi'i Islam,
which consider only the Imam, now in occultation, as carrying the right
to decide to go to war or not.
The Kharijis regard jihad as the sixth pillar of Islam, a position that
other groups of Islam have adhered to earlier.
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Now, to come back to your suggestion, that they would hesitate to kill
their brothers, you have to consider that we have seen that they don't
make any difference now whether Muslims die in their war or not, whether
it be AlQaeda, or the Hamas, or the other losers on the terrorist lists,
these improvised leaders pretend that the victims who are Muslims also
automatically go to heaven anyway if this happen.
And their only goal is to go to "heaven" (it is hell on earth for them,
of course, once on the other side, God certainly won't reward them for
destroying His creation, so they have no clue either way, but I digress).
The fact is that they want all to submit to them or convert (according
to their level o f "infidelity") or else they kill them, ok?
So far, it is clear?
But yo will say, the gang who AlQaeda represent is whahabee. But they
all admire him, remember the poll in he Arab world that showed that a
majority would like binny as a leader. His fan club may be larger than
we think.
Remember that Iman who was busted last week for trying to provide money
for missiles to AlQaeda against some embassy to start some conflict,
well he believed in the greater Jihad according to the news, IMO, they
meant the lesser one, but the point is that Iman and muslim community
don't share thi
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On the other hand, if you turned out to be right, Jane, and their
religion would be evil, would be one of actual extermination war
against, well, against any non Muslim who is not converted to, nor
submitted to, Islam. I am just saying, if you are right, the
consequences are incredible. One billion of them... But even if it is
only the gang of fanatics who hijack the religion, it has to be
addressed...
J.
You can address it by mindless force and then increase the hostility Arabs
already feel for the west. This is one fine way to actually promote
terrorism.
You should focus on the extremists, the Al-Quedas, the imminent threats and
scrub them from the face of the earth.
You should also stop invading Arab countries under false pretences to gain
control of natural resources. You should also stop promoting and propping
up fascist, terror regimes in order to have secure access to natural
resources. You should also address justice for the Palestinian people.
It's common knowledge that these are the issues that inspire recruitment
into terrorist organizations.
There are more sane methods that the West can use for securing peace and
economic stability.
One could also have taken the $186 billion allocated to the Iraqi invasion
and invest it in alternate means of producing energy and eventually
eliminate the need for Iraqi oil. Well, the establishment won't go for that
for awhile.
Love.................. JL
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote
You can address it by mindless force and then increase the hostility Arabs
already feel for the west. This is one fine way to actually promote
terrorism.
Hard to tell the difference between them being increasingly hostile and the
regular homicidal antipathy they've been demonstrating for 1400 years.
You should focus on the extremists, the Al-Quedas, the imminent threats
and
scrub them from the face of the earth.
If 10% of Muslims are zealots, their own number from what I understand,
that's 160,000,000 people you want to 'scrub'.
You should also stop invading Arab countries under false pretences to gain
control of natural resources. You should also stop promoting and propping
up fascist, terror regimes in order to have secure access to natural
resources. You should also address justice for the Palestinian people.
Nah; @$#*'em.
We've had 1400 years of their crap- most of which time we've lost (in case
you hadn't remembered). They want to throw a jihad?
It's common knowledge that these are the issues that inspire recruitment
into terrorist organizations.
Crap- even Osama said the rationale for the jihad was a religious affront of
having infidel troops in the Holy Land.
Don't mistake this for anything but a religious war initiated by Islam.
There are more sane methods that the West can use for securing peace and
economic stability.
It isn't the 'West' that has waged wars of conquest on Islam for 1400 years;
nor is their plutocracy economically unstable.
One could also have taken the $186 billion allocated to the Iraqi invasion
and invest it in alternate means of producing energy and eventually
eliminate the need for Iraqi oil.
And it wouldn't have satisfied Islam's goal of conquest, nor stopped the
zealots.
Chas
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote
Hard to tell the difference between them being increasingly hostile and
the
regular homicidal antipathy they've been demonstrating for 1400 years.
"They" is a pretty broad word. I remember "they" defending their own
homeland from some homicidal Christains during the crusades.
Invasion and killing are extreme activities. I don't know that one religion
has higher historical ground to stand on than another. Killers are killers
regardless of what book they run their life by.
There are a few homicidal hearts on both sides nowadays.
and
If 10% of Muslims are zealots, their own number from what I understand,
that's 160,000,000 people you want to 'scrub'.
Ah, you're a spinner and a twister I see.
I'd only want to 'scrub' those who pose an imminent threat or who have
already committed murder. Anyone with a gun or a bomb, a box cutter and a
flight plan who'd pose a serious threat. Self defense is a reasonable
activity and a responsibility.
The rest of the situation can be defused by treating our neighbors as
ourselves. Unless, of course, our murderous little hearts require the blood
of 160,000,000 people.
Nah; @$#*'em.
We've had 1400 years of their crap- most of which time we've lost (in case
you hadn't remembered). They want to throw a jihad?
Yup, "them", "they", let's just not think much, let's just keep it simple
and kill 'em all. They ain't our brothers and sisters. Sure. Make the
sand run red.
It's common knowledge that these are the issues that inspire recruitment
into terrorist organizations.
Crap- even Osama said the rationale for the jihad was a religious affront
of
having infidel troops in the Holy Land.
Ah, now you're getting to the imperial heart of the matter.
Don't mistake this for anything but a religious war initiated by Islam.
It wouldn't have a thing at all to do with Arabs not liking foreign troops
on their land? Remember, they haven't liked that for almost 1400 years now.
Oops, I forgot about all the flowers the Iraqi's were throwing at our
troop's feet when we started setting them free. Wolfowitz and the other
Vulkans were indeed right about that.
It isn't the 'West' that has waged wars of conquest on Islam for 1400
years;
nor is their plutocracy economically unstable.
I'm talking about military intervention and the support of fascist, terror
regimes like Saddam's to guarantee our own economic stability.
And it wouldn't have satisfied Islam's goal of conquest, nor stopped the
zealots.
Well, they wouldn't get as riled up about "the great satan" if we'd managed
to deal with them in a manner that respected their liberty, sovereignty,
their own pursuit of happiness.
People don't fight imperial power and die for "Islamism" any more than they
fought imperial power and died for communism. These "isms" provided
structure, rallying points to resist foreign interference in their lives.
The ism at the root of it all is nationalism.
We need to do business with people in a fair and evenhanded way. Treat them
the same we'd expect to be treated. Surely you'd kill the first Arab,
Chinese or Russian trooper stationed in this country who supported a
government that infringed on your way of life while they sucked us dry of
our natural resources, right?
It's either treat 'em the way you'd want to be treated or kill 'em all.
Well, maybe only 160,000,000. What would you rather do?
I know, @$#* 'em, right?
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:49:54 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote
Hard to tell the difference between them being increasingly hostile and the
regular homicidal antipathy they've been demonstrating for 1400 years.
and
If 10% of Muslims are zealots, their own number from what I understand,
that's 160,000,000 people you want to 'scrub'.
Nah; @$#*'em.
We've had 1400 years of their crap- most of which time we've lost (in case
you hadn't remembered). They want to throw a jihad?
Nonono...Bush wants to throw a 'jihad', mindless idiot.
It's common knowledge that these are the issues that inspire recruitment
into terrorist organizations.
Crap- even Osama said the rationale for the jihad was a religious affront of
having infidel troops in the Holy Land.
Don't mistake this for anything but a religious war initiated by Islam.
Initiated? Are you on drugs?
There are more sane methods that the West can use for securing peace and
economic stability.
It isn't the 'West' that has waged wars of conquest on Islam for 1400 years;
nor is their plutocracy economically unstable.
Who was it then, oh guru?
One could also have taken the $186 billion allocated to the Iraqi invasion
and invest it in alternate means of producing energy and eventually
eliminate the need for Iraqi oil.
And it wouldn't have satisfied Islam's goal of conquest, nor stopped the
zealots.
Oh go and worship ol' Bushyboy, you silly dolt. I'm sure he has all
the answers *you* need.
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote
"They" is a pretty broad word. I remember "they" defending their own
homeland from some homicidal Christains during the crusades.
Actually, 'they' had invaded the Holy Land, were occupying it, and we were
asked to come help.
Of course, they won, so it's not surprising they're still there, conquerors
that they are.
It wouldn't have a thing at all to do with Arabs not liking foreign troops
on their land? Remember, they haven't liked that for almost 1400 years
now.
They don't even like your troops on *your* land.
In fact, they're enjoined to attack first if they think there is even a
chance of resistance to the Command to Submit and Recite.
Well, they wouldn't get as riled up about "the great satan" if we'd
managed
to deal with them in a manner that respected their liberty, sovereignty,
their own pursuit of happiness.
Sure they would.
As long as you don't Submit & Recite the oath of allegiance, you're always
going to be the 'enemy'.
People don't fight imperial power and die for "Islamism" any more than
they
fought imperial power and died for communism. These "isms" provided
structure, rallying points to resist foreign interference in their lives.
The ism at the root of it all is nationalism.
Nope; jihad is outside of any political borders.
We need to do business with people in a fair and evenhanded way. Treat
them
the same we'd expect to be treated.
An interesting Christian theory- but not something Islam buys into at all.
They think your compassion is weakness, your forebearance is cowardice, and
your tolerance is just being a chump.
Chas
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:13:42 -0400, " John F Lemke"
<jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote:
the
"They" is a pretty broad word. I remember "they" defending their own
homeland from some homicidal Christains during the crusades.
Invasion and killing are extreme activities. I don't know that one religion
has higher historical ground to stand on than another. Killers are killers
regardless of what book they run their life by.
There are a few homicidal hearts on both sides nowadays.
Ah, you're a spinner and a twister I see.
I'd only want to 'scrub' those who pose an imminent threat or who have
already committed murder. Anyone with a gun or a bomb, a box cutter and a
flight plan who'd pose a serious threat. Self defense is a reasonable
activity and a responsibility.
The rest of the situation can be defused by treating our neighbors as
ourselves. Unless, of course, our murderous little hearts require the blood
of 160,000,000 people.
Yup, "them", "they", let's just not think much, let's just keep it simple
and kill 'em all. They ain't our brothers and sisters. Sure. Make the
sand run red.
It's common knowledge that these are the issues that inspire recruitment
into terrorist organizations.
of
Ah, now you're getting to the imperial heart of the matter.
It wouldn't have a thing at all to do with Arabs not liking foreign troops
on their land? Remember, they haven't liked that for almost 1400 years now.
Oops, I forgot about all the flowers the Iraqi's were throwing at our
troop's feet when we started setting them free. Wolfowitz and the other
Vulkans were indeed right about that.
years;
I'm talking about military intervention and the support of fascist, terror
regimes like Saddam's to guarantee our own economic stability.
Well, they wouldn't get as riled up about "the great satan" if we'd managed
to deal with them in a manner that respected their liberty, sovereignty,
their own pursuit of happiness.
People don't fight imperial power and die for "Islamism" any more than they
fought imperial power and died for communism. These "isms" provided
structure, rallying points to resist foreign interference in their lives.
The ism at the root of it all is nationalism.
We need to do business with people in a fair and evenhanded way. Treat them
the same we'd expect to be treated. Surely you'd kill the first Arab,
Chinese or Russian trooper stationed in this country who supported a
government that infringed on your way of life while they sucked us dry of
our natural resources, right?
It's either treat 'em the way you'd want to be treated or kill 'em all.
Well, maybe only 160,000,000. What would you rather do?
I know, @$#* 'em, right?
I'm developing a new-found respect for you, John. A very enlightened
response - far from the 'Tony' style ones I've come to expect.
Thanks.
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<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote
Actually, 'they' had invaded the Holy Land, were occupying it, and we were
asked to come help.
Of course, they won, so it's not surprising they're still there, conquerors
that they are.
now.
They don't even like your troops on *your* land.
In fact, they're enjoined to attack first if they think there is even a
chance of resistance to the Command to Submit and Recite.
Indoctrinated, it seems.
Well, they wouldn't get as riled up about "the great satan" if we'd
managed
Sure they would.
As long as you don't Submit & Recite the oath of allegiance, you're always
going to be the 'enemy'.
Explain?
People don't fight imperial power and die for "Islamism" any more than
they
Nope; jihad is outside of any political borders.
Aye, that it is. Sorry, what was your point again?
We need to do business with people in a fair and evenhanded way. Treat
them
An interesting Christian theory- but not something Islam buys into at all.
They think your compassion is weakness, your forebearance is cowardice, and
your tolerance is just being a chump.
....or maybe they think you should just butt the @$#* out of their
affairs. Is that a prudent argument?
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"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote
They don't even like your troops on *your* land.
In fact, they're enjoined to attack first if they think there is even a
chance of resistance to the Command to Submit and Recite.
Indoctrinated, it seems.
Church doctrine.
Sure they would.
As long as you don't Submit & Recite the oath of allegiance, you're
always
going to be the 'enemy'.
Explain?
The Command in Islam is to Submit and Recite the oath. That's what you do to
demonstrate conversion, and it's the only option open to you except dying.
The ism at the root of it all is nationalism.
Nope; jihad is outside of any political borders.
Aye, that it is. Sorry, what was your point again?
That it has little or nothing to do with 'nationalism'.
...or maybe they think you should just butt the @$#* out of their
affairs. Is that a prudent argument?
Not when 'their affairs' are conquest, oppression and the imposition of the
Caliphate.
Chas
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote
Actually, 'they' had invaded the Holy Land, were occupying it, and we were
asked to come help.
Of course, they won, so it's not surprising they're still there,
conquerors
that they are.
Not only that, but the Turks were expanding into Europe at the time of the
later Crusades. So, not only were the Christians trying to retake the Holy
Land, they were also defending Europe from the Muslims.
now.
They don't even like your troops on *your* land.
In fact, they're enjoined to attack first if they think there is even a
chance of resistance to the Command to Submit and Recite.
managed
Sure they would.
As long as you don't Submit & Recite the oath of allegiance, you're always
going to be the 'enemy'.
they
Nope; jihad is outside of any political borders.
Exactly. They're ultimate aim is a world-wide caliphate. They do not even
say that people "convert" to islam but "revert". We are all born muslim, in
their eyes, and then corrupted by our families/societies.
them
An interesting Christian theory- but not something Islam buys into at all.
They think your compassion is weakness, your forebearance is cowardice,
and
your tolerance is just being a chump.
Exactly.
Jane
Chas
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