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Kids today don't wear their seat belts. Its not macho. So they die. But
that is not the real importance of this story.
Just how do you think the police arrived at exactly 83 mph? There is only
one way. The truck's tell-tale "black box" recorder which is part of the
air-bag system. This is the best reason in the world NOT to buy a new or
late model vehicle UNTIL MANUFACTURERS USE VOLATILE MEMORY for your
protection. If you are involved in a serious accident which is your fault
and in most cases for which there is a criminal liability, your own car
will be the best witness against you!
Before black boxes, police were able to estimate vehicle parameters like
velocity and braking indirectly. These estimates could be challenged in
courts and the defendant be given the benefit of doubt. But such is the
case no more. It is no longer sufficient to drive carefully and carry
plenty of insurance. You need to protect yourself from the self
incrimination from these evil black box recorders. Read the news story:
WALDEN, Colo. (AP) - A rollover accident that killed three teenagers and
seriously injured another was not caused by alcohol, Jackson County
Coroner George Crockett said.
''There was no alcohol, just bad judgment,'' he said, after a toxicology
report Friday that came back negative.
Investigators said the four North Park High School students left the
school for their 39-minute lunch break and may have been heading to one of
the student's homes just after noon Wednesday. A 911 call reporting the
accident was made to police about nine minutes after their break started.
Investigators believe the pickup truck the teens were in was traveling 83
miles an hour when it rolled over, ejecting all four.
Killed were: Dean Allen Waldron, 18, who was driving, and 17-year-olds
Nacona Linn Ferrin and Nichole Lynette Starr.
Courtney May Ferrall suffered spinal and pelvis injuries.
Plans for the high school's popular annual Halloween festival were
canceled Saturday night.
''The impact of the loss of these three students is overwhelming to the
school and the community,'' said Sandy Hall, principal at North Park High
School. ''There's just shock and grief and an incredible sense of loss.''
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and what does this have to do with the price of grapefruit in antarctica???
Kids today don't wear their seat belts. Its not macho. So they die. But
that is not the real importance of this story.
Just how do you think the police arrived at exactly 83 mph? There is only
one way. The truck's tell-tale "black box" recorder which is part of the
air-bag system. This is the best reason in the world NOT to buy a new or
late model vehicle UNTIL MANUFACTURERS USE VOLATILE MEMORY for your
protection. If you are involved in a serious accident which is your fault
and in most cases for which there is a criminal liability, your own car
will be the best witness against you!
Before black boxes, police were able to estimate vehicle parameters like
velocity and braking indirectly. These estimates could be challenged in
courts and the defendant be given the benefit of doubt. But such is the
case no more. It is no longer sufficient to drive carefully and carry
plenty of insurance. You need to protect yourself from the self
incrimination from these evil black box recorders. Read the news story:
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"tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<VfLhd.9521$6z2.5513464@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
and what does this have to do with the price of grapefruit in antarctica???
These kids were on their way to buy some grapefuit. But because of
the accident, some grapefruit went unsold and thus affected the price
since now there were more grapefuit available on the market than there
would have been had the kids bought some.
Sheesh! Must I spell everything out for you?!
Lighthope
Pearls of Wisdom - Don't question authority. It doesn't know either.
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If you are involved in a serious accident which is your fault
and in most cases for which there is a criminal liability, your own car
will be the best witness against you!
And if you are involved where it is not your fault your car can be your best
witness. I think with my driving habits I would like to have it available.
Maybe we should outlaw surveillance TV in stores too so if you hold up the
place the tape can't be used against you.
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And if you are involved where it is not your fault your car can be your
best
witness. I think with my driving habits I would like to have it
available.
Maybe we should outlaw surveillance TV in stores too so if you hold up the
place the tape can't be used against you.
That's not a very accurate analogy as you don't own the store but you do own
the car.
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FUCK THEM! and good riddance!!!
They are stupid "throw-aways". Just be damn glad it wasnt YOUR family these
assholes T-Boned at 83 MPH.
People have to realize that there are creatures out there that DONT CARE
ABOUT YOUR EXISTANCE. The driver of this truck was one of them.
Use their demise to educate the others that they will be held responsable,
they can and do die from stupid actions.Make the families financially
responsable for their actions.
This might have an effect on surviving siblings.Once YOU have personally
lost a loved one, or have had one of these careless assholes damn near take
YOU out...you will change your tune.
*I* have been endangered by two drunk drivers in 10 years, I let one of them
die at the scene, he didnt care...*I* didnt care for him either. I happened
by a single car accident driven by a drunk. I stopped to help, when I found
out he was drunk I waited until his car was well involved in fire(fire was
now burning inside the passenger compartment) before I called the fire dept
and police. Then I promptly informed them he was drunk.FUCK HIM! he was a
throwaway too.
I say...black box computers in cars...YES...bring them on! most of us have
****NOTHING**** to hide.
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Lighthope wrote:
"tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<VfLhd.9521$6z2.5513464@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
These kids were on their way to buy some grapefuit. But because of
the accident, some grapefruit went unsold and thus affected the price
since now there were more grapefuit available on the market than there
would have been had the kids bought some.
Sheesh! Must I spell everything out for you?!
Another free market success story. ;)
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A pox on all of you.... #@($ happens, and all that, this has been happening
to callow youth since the wheel was invented..
teen angel
Every issue brought up here is overblown... though I aint in favor of tattle-
tale boxes, that's the least of anyone's worry when you look at the big
picture... until the E-Check scans for highest speed recorded and cops issue
tickets on the spot.
Nomen Nescio opined in news:ea63002947f5d73025811feb8a11fcda@dizum.com:
Kids today don't wear their seat belts. Its not macho. So they die. But
that is not the real importance of this story.
Just how do you think the police arrived at exactly 83 mph? There is only
one way. The truck's tell-tale "black box" recorder which is part of the
air-bag system. This is the best reason in the world NOT to buy a new or
late model vehicle UNTIL MANUFACTURERS USE VOLATILE MEMORY for your
protection. If you are involved in a serious accident which is your fault
and in most cases for which there is a criminal liability, your own car
will be the best witness against you!
Before black boxes, police were able to estimate vehicle parameters like
velocity and braking indirectly. These estimates could be challenged in
courts and the defendant be given the benefit of doubt. But such is the
case no more. It is no longer sufficient to drive carefully and carry
plenty of insurance. You need to protect yourself from the self
incrimination from these evil black box recorders. Read the news story:
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:41:17 GMT, "ABC" <DEF@YYY.net> wrote:
And if you are involved where it is not your fault your car can be your best
witness. I think with my driving habits I would like to have it available.
Maybe we should outlaw surveillance TV in stores too so if you hold up the
place the tape can't be used against you.
I find it easier to wear a ski mask when I rob stores. This way I don't have
to worry about my rights being violated when I'm knocking over some joint. ;)
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:41:17 GMT, "ABC" <DEF@YYY.net> wrote:
I find it easier to wear a ski mask when I rob stores. This way I don't
have
to worry about my rights being violated when I'm knocking over some joint.
;)
This thread reminds me of a member of a state legislature trying to get a
law passed that would not allow cities to put out "Radar in use" signs when
in fact there were none. Those signs were making people obey the law (speed
limits) when they didn't have to.
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Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege. A "black box"
that records drive input is not a violation of privacy. It is in the best
interest of the public to have accurate information about the driver's
actions at the time of an accident. If you don't like it, don't drive. My
habits are such that I don't worry about "black boxes"...I stay within the
law. Those teens are dead because the driver was breaking the law. Now at
least, the parents will not be able to sue the state for building a faulty
road, the vehicle manufacturer for building an unsafe vehicle or the other
car(s) involved for causing an accident. We all win in this case.
--
R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
NRA #133073736
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:41:17 GMT, "ABC" <DEF@YYY.net> wrote:
I find it easier to wear a ski mask when I rob stores. This way I don't
have
to worry about my rights being violated when I'm knocking over some joint.
;)
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Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege. A "black box"
that records drive input is not a violation of privacy. It is in the best
interest of the public to have accurate information about the driver's
actions at the time of an accident. If you don't like it, don't drive. My
habits are such that I don't worry about "black boxes"...I stay within the
law. Those teens are dead because the driver was breaking the law. Now at
least, the parents will not be able to sue the state for building a faulty
road, the vehicle manufacturer for building an unsafe vehicle or the other
car(s) involved for causing an accident. We all win in this case.
I suggest that you take a look at the newest AutoWeek, they have a decent
sized article in it and some of the manufacturers stances. DaimlerChrysler
and Toyota/Lexus are starting to use them while GM and Ford already do.
Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, BMW, and Porsche all don't use them. "We don't want
to put our customers in the position of having their own car testify against
them." Gordon Keil (NA BMW spokesman). "Porsche customers traditionally
value the sense of indepence that driving can provide. Therefore, we believe
they would be opposed to Porsche equipping its cars with devices capable of
monitoring their movements."
I guess I know what my next car is going to be coming from, BMW or Porsche.
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"Reece Talley" <omgb@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<5uCdnV8u1qE-RxTcRVn-sw@comcast.com>...
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege.
No, it's a right. If I pass the test and obey the law, is there
anything they can do to stop me from driving? No. That makes it a
right. Just like the right to vote. As long as I obey the law (no
felonies, am 18 or older) I get to vote.
Just because a bunch of people yell "It's a privilege" long enough
does not change the fact that it's actually a right.
Or it is your position that voting is also a privilege? Or that
speech is a privilege?
Lighthope
Pearls of Wisdom - ...and Adam asked, "What's a Headache?"
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"Reece Talley" <omgb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<5uCdnV8u1qE-RxTcRVn-sw@comcast.com>...
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege.
No, it's a right. If I pass the test and obey the law, is there
anything they can do to stop me from driving? No. That makes it a
right. Just like the right to vote. As long as I obey the law (no
felonies, am 18 or older) I get to vote.
Just because a bunch of people yell "It's a privilege" long enough
does not change the fact that it's actually a right.
Or it is your position that voting is also a privilege? Or that
speech is a privilege?
Lighthope
I think you would have trouble arguing that in a court of law.
Privilege:
1. A right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed by a particular person or a
restricted group of persons
(meets all requirement for possession of a drivers license)
2. an official grand or a special right or immunity, under certain
conditions
(As long as your license is not revoked)
Right:
1. In accordance with what is good proper and moral.
2. That which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral
principals.
3. That which is in accord with fact, reason, etc.
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"Reece Talley" <omgb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<5uCdnV8u1qE-RxTcRVn-sw@comcast.com>...
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege.
No, it's a right. If I pass the test and obey the law, is there
anything they can do to stop me from driving? No.
Actually, yes. If you fail to renew your license, you will be ticketed.
Accepting the requirement of a license makes driving a privilege.
Constitutionally, we all have the 'right' to operate an automobile on public
highways without a license. By voluntarily obtaining a license you give up
that constitutional 'right' and accept a state administered 'privilege'.
This has been tested and won in courts of law, but I'm not enough of an
activist to try it myself.
http://www.arkenterprises.com/ritepriv.htm
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