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1.) Does anyone in the above NG's have any legal questions or problems
that they would like help on? Does anyone in the above NG's even know
of anyone with legal problems or questions? If so, please email me at
determined_paralegal@volcanomail.com and I will research the problem
for you or them.
2.) Do any lawyers in the Toronto area need help with Court Filings? I
can also help with Legal Research. Email me at
determined_paralegal@volcanomail.com if interested.
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Wow, free Legal Aid.
Boy you are nice guy.
No mention of fees or rates, nothing suggesting a business, or cost to the
people you want to help.
It's such a contrast to lawyers, wo think they have a license to steat
money.
Of course it would be helpful of you to point out exactly what paralegals
do, so people who need a lawyer don't waste your or their time.
You will do a much better job, but isn't it the difference between a lawyer
and a paralegal much like the difference between a paramedic and a doctor? I
don't know if I would feel comfortable having a paramedic operate on me,
just like I don't think I would be comfortable with a paralegal defending
me, unless it was something with no consequence, like a traffic ticket. And
just like the paramedic, when you have to robe, be it surgical or legal
attire - you have no standing.
Your post makes it sound like you will field all questions and give your
advice - I hope that advice is the same as when the paramedic goes, "#@($,
this dude needs a doctor"
Now paralegals can do a lot of stuff, but be clear about the services you
offer lawyers - "hey why stand in a line at the court to do court filing at
$350/hr - give your client a break and let me do it for $35/hr. I can do 3
clients in 1 hour, so you can charge them out at $1,050/hr. See what great
legal work I can do for a lawyer.
But you don't even want to charge lawyer for your services. Boy you are sure
one nice guy with a lot of time on his hands to donate to people with legal
questions and problems and helping lawyers with court filings.
Of course don't try and charge anyone a fee. Then they might sic a lawyer on
you.
So now a paralegal, don't they just do what anybody can do for themselves? I
mean you can't get out of jury duty - beause you are a peer. Lawyers can't
sit on a jury, because they are not your peer, or mine. That says a lot.
But free advice is very helpful. Maybe somebody just doesn't need a lawyer.
Why go out an pay somebody when you will answer their question or advise on
what to do when they have a legal problem.
I advise people with legal questions and problems too. No, I am not a
paralegal nor a lawyer. My advice usually begins with see a lawyer, and
usually ends with see a lawyer. Some how see a paralegal sounds like see a
paramedic, and all he is going to say is see your doctor. And if you happen
to hemmorage, it is comforting to know there is a paramedic with you, to try
and keep you alive until he can get you to a doctor.
Okay, here is my legal question. What can a paralegal do that I can't do for
myself, and what can't a paralegal do that requires a lawyer.
"Once you have completed paralegal school, you will assist lawyers in
preparing for closings, hearings, trials, and corporate meetings. Paralegals
support lawyers by interviewing clients, investigating facts, and
researching and drafting documents for court."
Okay, it's more than being a legal secretary, I will grant you that, but it
is far short of being a lawyer.
I guess what is bugging me is even though you are not stating any fee is
involved, you are acting like a lawyer. You are soliciting.
You are offering legal advice. Isn't that the one thing you can't do - offer
legal advice? You know why lawyers don't make a habit of giving out legal
advice? It's because you might act on their advice. Because if a lawyer
gives legal advice without charging, you still may rely upon that advice.
Your legal advice cannot be relied upon, and hence you have no business
giving legal advice.
And this is what you appear to be offering. You are not offering help with
drafting a contract, filing a claim, preparing legal forms, gathering facts,
filing court documents, serving papers. These are the things paralegals do.
They don't give legal advice. They can't because they are not lawyers. You
are not qualified to answer legal questions. You can advise on procedureal
legal questions, but may not render a legal opinion. And if you can't render
a legal opinion, you cannot give legal advice. And by you, I mean
paralegals.
And if you are thinking of charging for any of this help, I suggest you
repost and state it clearly. And you better watch this pretend lawyering,
because some lawyer might not like the way some paralegal is misleading the
public and spank you in a full courtroom, a legal spanking that is to say.
"A Determined Paralegal" <determined_paralegal@volcanomail.com> wrote in
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1.) Does anyone in the above NG's have any legal questions or problems
that they would like help on? Does anyone in the above NG's even know
of anyone with legal problems or questions? If so, please email me at
determined_paralegal@volcanomail.com and I will research the problem
for you or them.
2.) Do any lawyers in the Toronto area need help with Court Filings? I
can also help with Legal Research. Email me at
determined_paralegal@volcanomail.com if interested.
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kay, just a little plug here on behalf of paramedics (because I are one).
I can think of many situations where you, I, or anyone else would be much
better off having paramedics there to help you instead of a doctor.
Examples would be if you not already in a hospital or doctor's office and
you: 1) are shot, stabbed, hit over the head with a club; 2) are having a
heart attack; 3) are in cardiac arrest; 4) are suffering from severe
shortness of breath due to congestive heart failure; 5) are involved in a
serious motor vehicle accident -- particularly one with multiple patients;
6) are unconscious due to a narcotic overdose; 5) are unconscious and/or had
a seizure due to low blood sugar; etc, etc.
For all of these situations, what you need are trained and experienced
paramedics who have the equipment and knowledge to deal with your situation
in an out-of-hospital setting. In fact, we (paramedics) are often called to
doctors' offices to treat patients before transporting them to a hospital.
We even go to cardiologists' offices to treat patients who are having a
heart attack and WE provide the treatment for the patient (including oxygen,
IV, nitro, etc.) -- not the cardiologist or his/her staff. We also provide
the ONLY pre-hospital medical treatment that many other patients receive,
even though they are already in a doctor's office.
And, in many other non-hospital settings, the presence of a "doctor" doesn't
necessarily mean you are better off. For example, if you are having a heart
attack or are involved in a serious motor vehicle accident, the presence of
a "doctor" (which could be an OB-GYN, a psychiatrist, etc.) may not be of
any help to you.
Of course, I get your point about people needing a lawyer for legal advice,
and not a paralegal. I agree with that.
But I couldn't resist putting in a little plug for paramedics, and passing
on a little information to the public about the different roles and
functions of paramedics and doctors in out-of-hospital emergency situations.
P.S. One thing I know for sure -- I am not a doctor (and I don't try to be
one), and a doctor is not a paramedic.
Wow, free Legal Aid.
Boy you are nice guy.
No mention of fees or rates, nothing suggesting a business, or cost to the
people you want to help.
It's such a contrast to lawyers, wo think they have a license to steat
money.
Of course it would be helpful of you to point out exactly what paralegals
do, so people who need a lawyer don't waste your or their time.
You will do a much better job, but isn't it the difference between a
lawyer
and a paralegal much like the difference between a paramedic and a doctor?
I
don't know if I would feel comfortable having a paramedic operate on me,
just like I don't think I would be comfortable with a paralegal defending
me, unless it was something with no consequence, like a traffic ticket.
And
just like the paramedic, when you have to robe, be it surgical or legal
attire - you have no standing.
Your post makes it sound like you will field all questions and give your
advice - I hope that advice is the same as when the paramedic goes, "#@($,
this dude needs a doctor"
Now paralegals can do a lot of stuff, but be clear about the services you
offer lawyers - "hey why stand in a line at the court to do court filing
at
$350/hr - give your client a break and let me do it for $35/hr. I can do 3
clients in 1 hour, so you can charge them out at $1,050/hr. See what great
legal work I can do for a lawyer.
But you don't even want to charge lawyer for your services. Boy you are
sure
one nice guy with a lot of time on his hands to donate to people with
legal
questions and problems and helping lawyers with court filings.
Of course don't try and charge anyone a fee. Then they might sic a lawyer
on
you.
So now a paralegal, don't they just do what anybody can do for themselves?
I
mean you can't get out of jury duty - beause you are a peer. Lawyers can't
sit on a jury, because they are not your peer, or mine. That says a lot.
But free advice is very helpful. Maybe somebody just doesn't need a
lawyer.
Why go out an pay somebody when you will answer their question or advise
on
what to do when they have a legal problem.
I advise people with legal questions and problems too. No, I am not a
paralegal nor a lawyer. My advice usually begins with see a lawyer, and
usually ends with see a lawyer. Some how see a paralegal sounds like see a
paramedic, and all he is going to say is see your doctor. And if you
happen
to hemmorage, it is comforting to know there is a paramedic with you, to
try
and keep you alive until he can get you to a doctor.
Okay, here is my legal question. What can a paralegal do that I can't do
for
myself, and what can't a paralegal do that requires a lawyer.
"Once you have completed paralegal school, you will assist lawyers in
preparing for closings, hearings, trials, and corporate meetings.
Paralegals
support lawyers by interviewing clients, investigating facts, and
researching and drafting documents for court."
Okay, it's more than being a legal secretary, I will grant you that, but
it
is far short of being a lawyer.
I guess what is bugging me is even though you are not stating any fee is
involved, you are acting like a lawyer. You are soliciting.
You are offering legal advice. Isn't that the one thing you can't do -
offer
legal advice? You know why lawyers don't make a habit of giving out legal
advice? It's because you might act on their advice. Because if a lawyer
gives legal advice without charging, you still may rely upon that advice.
Your legal advice cannot be relied upon, and hence you have no business
giving legal advice.
And this is what you appear to be offering. You are not offering help with
drafting a contract, filing a claim, preparing legal forms, gathering
facts,
filing court documents, serving papers. These are the things paralegals
do.
They don't give legal advice. They can't because they are not lawyers. You
are not qualified to answer legal questions. You can advise on procedureal
legal questions, but may not render a legal opinion. And if you can't
render
a legal opinion, you cannot give legal advice. And by you, I mean
paralegals.
And if you are thinking of charging for any of this help, I suggest you
repost and state it clearly. And you better watch this pretend lawyering,
because some lawyer might not like the way some paralegal is misleading
the
public and spank you in a full courtroom, a legal spanking that is to say.
"A Determined Paralegal" <determined_paralegal@volcanomail.com> wrote in
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Okay, just a little plug here on behalf of paramedics (because I are one).
I can think of many situations where you, I, or anyone else would be much
better off having paramedics there to help you instead of a doctor.
Examples would be if you not already in a hospital or doctor's office and
you: 1) are shot, stabbed, hit over the head with a club; 2) are having a
heart attack; 3) are in cardiac arrest; 4) are suffering from severe
shortness of breath due to congestive heart failure; 5) are involved in a
serious motor vehicle accident -- particularly one with multiple patients;
6) are unconscious due to a narcotic overdose; 5) are unconscious and/or
had
a seizure due to low blood sugar; etc, etc.
Yes, I agree, first-aid is important, and saves lives. Most doctors have
little experience giving first aid.
When a guy is stabbed, you can tend the wound so he doesn't bleed to death,
you may be able to stave of shock.
But when the guys heart and lung have been knifed, he is dying in your
hands, unless you get him to a doctor in time.
A doctor in a hospital with all the fancy equipment. You give people time.
Time to make it to a doctor.
That is a vital role.
For all of these situations, what you need are trained and experienced
paramedics who have the equipment and knowledge to deal with your
situation
in an out-of-hospital setting. In fact, we (paramedics) are often called
to
doctors' offices to treat patients before transporting them to a hospital.
We even go to cardiologists' offices to treat patients who are having a
heart attack and WE provide the treatment for the patient (including
oxygen,
IV, nitro, etc.) -- not the cardiologist or his/her staff. We also
provide
the ONLY pre-hospital medical treatment that many other patients receive,
even though they are already in a doctor's office.
Ah the caveat? Paramedics who have the Equipment. You know what you can do
out in the field without your equipment is about the same thing a doctor can
do without his equipment. A doctor's office is hardly equiped for a medical
emergency. Let's be honest.
The thing is that you do have the portable equipment, and a lot of cool #@($
on your truck. Doc has none of that in his office.
The Doctor doesn't have a fancy siren to speed the patient through traffic
either.
And, in many other non-hospital settings, the presence of a "doctor"
doesn't
necessarily mean you are better off. For example, if you are having a
heart
attack or are involved in a serious motor vehicle accident, the presence
of
a "doctor" (which could be an OB-GYN, a psychiatrist, etc.) may not be of
any help to you.
Yes, and an off duty paramedic without his specialized equipment may also be
of little use in those situations too.
Of course, I get your point about people needing a lawyer for legal
advice,
and not a paralegal. I agree with that.
Of course, I agree that paramedics are way more important to society than
paralegals.
But you also agree with me that when it comes to medical advice, you need a
doctor - not a paramedic - right?
And you also agree that while you work in the medical field - you cannot
practice medicine.
So I think my analogy is still valid. Actually I was going to use doctors
and nurses, but you have the para in your name!
But I couldn't resist putting in a little plug for paramedics, and passing
on a little information to the public about the different roles and
functions of paramedics and doctors in out-of-hospital emergency
situations.
Yay! Paramedics rule!
P.S. One thing I know for sure -- I am not a doctor (and I don't try to
be
one), and a doctor is not a paramedic.
Smart man!
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Of course, I agree with you about all of this. But, since I am already
writing way off topic here, I think I'll throw in a few more comments.
But when the guys heart and lung have been knifed, he is dying in your
hands, unless you get him to a doctor in time.
A doctor in a hospital with all the fancy equipment.
Absolutely. That person needs a surgeon ASAP. Mostly all we can do in
those situations in recognize that the person needs a trauma center, start
transporting there ASAP (and not wasting time at the scene doing IV's,
splinting fractures, or anything else), and probably securing the airway
through intubation.
The thing is that you do have the portable equipment, and a lot of cool
#@($
on your truck. Doc has none of that in his office.
In recent years, things have been improving a lot along those lines.
Now, at least some of the time when we go to a cardiologist's office for
someone who is having chest pain and/or a heart attack, the doctor and
his/her staff have already given the patient oxygen, started an IV, and
given aspirin and nitro. For years, people would go to their doctor with
chest pain and get none of this at the doctor's office. To me, oxygen,
IV's, aspirin, and nitro are not expensive fancy equipment and should be in
every doctor's office -- especially cardiologists. And, one other thing
they all should have -- especially cardiologists -- is a defibrillator,
which could even just be an AED (automatic external defibrillator) like the
ones that first responder police officers, fire departments, and BLS
ambulances carry.
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