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I'm writing up a simple promissory note to loan a family member the money to buy a car. My note states, "This Note is secured by ___________..." On the Certificate of Title, I have entered my name and address as the "Lienor." Obviously, I wish to secure my loan with a lien upon the title. But, the question is, what is the legally proper terminology for this section of the Note? Am I placing a lien on the title to the vehicle, or on the vehicle itself? In other words, should I state that the note is secured by "a Ford Windstar LX, VIN # XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX...", etc? Or should it state that the Note is secured by "a lien on a Ford Windstar LX, VIN # XXXXX...", or, a lien on "the Certificate of Title" to the Ford Windstar, etc? Thanks for your suggestions BE
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Bloated Elvis <returntosender@notell.hotel.not> wrote:
I'm writing up a simple promissory note to loan a family member the money to buy a car. My note states, "This Note is secured by ___________..." On the Certificate of Title, I have entered my name and address as the "Lienor." Obviously, I wish to secure my loan with a lien upon the title. But, the question is, what is the legally proper terminology for this section of the Note? Am I placing a lien on the title to the vehicle, or on the vehicle itself?
Just describe the auto in a way that can only identify that particular car - make, model, year, VIN.
In other words, should I state that the note is secured by "a Ford Windstar LX, VIN # XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX...", etc? Or should it state that the Note is secured by "a lien on a Ford Windstar LX, VIN # XXXXX...", or, a lien on "the Certificate of Title" to the Ford Windstar, etc?
Doesn't really matter. In this situation I'd say simpler is better - I'll pick door number 1. But remember that simply putting this in the note does not perfect the security interest (meaning that it may well not be effective without more). The "more" that is missing is to get your name on the actual title as the lienholder. Talk to your state DMV about how to do that. Stu
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In article <h82bpvsst84799qvkrqvng8bsacga2c659@4ax.com>, Bloated Elvis <bluesuede@shoes.not> wrote:
I'm writing up a simple promissory note to loan a family member the money to buy a car. My note states, "This Note is secured by ___________..." On the Certificate of Title, I have entered my name and address as the "Lienor." Obviously, I wish to secure my loan with a lien upon the title. But, the question is, what is the legally proper terminology for this section of the Note? Am I placing a lien on the title to the vehicle, or on the vehicle itself? In other words, should I state that the note is secured by "a Ford Windstar LX, VIN # XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX...", etc? Or should it state that the Note is secured by "a lien on a Ford Windstar LX, VIN # XXXXX...", or, a lien on "the Certificate of Title" to the Ford Windstar, etc?
In the latter case, you have a lien on a piece of paper. Consider what happens if the owner crashes the car and the insurance company totals it (and pays for it). Do you want a lien against the car (and therefore the payment for the car), or against the title to a worthless pile of junk metal? Seth
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