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Getting a clearance w/ a bad discharge



eddiechuff@yahoo.com
2/7/2005 9:48:08 AM


Will a clearance be issued to someone that received a Dishonorable
discharge from the military 19 yrs. ago, filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy 13
yrs. ago, has a misdemeanor conviction for threatening a former
supervisor 10 yrs. ago, and was arrested for DUI (got it knocked down
to wreak less driving), two drunk if public charges.
 
 
"Naughtius \"The Twinkies Made Me Do It\" Maximus"
2/8/2005 9:28:21 PM




<eddiechuff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Will a clearance
Mmmm... what sort of "clearance" are we talking about here? I'm aware of
a "Q" clearance... 25 some odd years ago, which was, at that time, the
Civilian equivalent to a Military "Top Secret" clearance, and was the level
of clearance necessary for employment in the Plutonium Recovery Facility at
Rocky Flats...
What sort of employment is it then that you're asking "clearance"
questions on?
be issued to someone that received a Dishonorable
discharge from the military 19 yrs. ago,
Mmmm... is it an ACTUAL *Dishonorable* Discharge? Or a Discharge "Under
Other Than Honorable Conditions"?
If it's the Former, Forget It... You're not getting ANY "clearance"...
any [employment] Bond... any Consideration of any Type which involves
"Trust"...
If it's the Latter... [Undesirable... Bad Conduct...] neither of which is
"Dishonorable", well... I doubt your chances are in any way Good... probably
not even 50/50... but still Better Than the Chancve you'd have with a
Dishonorable Discharge... which could only [at least circa 1970] be awarded
by a General Court Martial... Were you subjected to a General Court Martial?
filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy 13
yrs. ago, has a misdemeanor conviction for threatening a former
supervisor 10 yrs. ago, and was arrested for DUI (got it knocked down
to wreak less driving), two drunk if public charges.
Y'know what? In view of your Ostensibly Accurate Record, I Very Much
Doubt you're going to get any manner of "clearance"... possibly save some
flavor of Self-Employment Insurance Bond... I can't imagine any Employer,
viewing your References/Record would offer you a job... Bonded or not...
But... Stranger Things have happened...
And they can't kill you for asking... yet... I think...
Naughtius "I Could Tell You... But Then I'd Have To KILL Y'" Maximus
 
 
"Gene E. Utterback, EA"
2/8/2005 9:28:35 PM




<eddiechuff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uove01pmfvtq1neja95l1vqd0nv0qi0r21@4ax.com...

Will a clearance be issued to someone that received a Dishonorable
discharge from the military 19 yrs. ago, filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy 13
yrs. ago, has a misdemeanor conviction for threatening a former
supervisor 10 yrs. ago, and was arrested for DUI (got it knocked down
to wreak less driving), two drunk if public charges.
I HOPE NOT!
Gene E. Utterback, EA
 
 
"Arthur L. Rubin"
2/8/2005 9:28:57 PM


eddiechuff@yahoo.com wrote:
Will a clearance be issued to someone that received a Dishonorable
discharge from the military 19 yrs. ago, filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy 13
yrs. ago, has a misdemeanor conviction for threatening a former
supervisor 10 yrs. ago, and was arrested for DUI (got it knocked down
to wreak less driving), two drunk if public charges.
I see no legal question here.
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John Doe
2/11/2005 6:16:39 PM


eddiechuff@yahoo.com wrote:
Will a clearance be issued to someone that received a Dishonorable
discharge from the military 19 yrs. ago, filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy 13
yrs. ago, has a misdemeanor conviction for threatening a former
supervisor 10 yrs. ago, and was arrested for DUI (got it knocked down
to wreak less driving), two drunk if public charges.
From what I understand, there is no "litmus test". All cases are taken
on a case by case basis. For a "Secret" clearance, you're only required
to go back seven years. For a "Top Secret" clerance, I believe that you
have to go back ten. If they look back farther than ten years, they may
turn you down. If they don't, and you're up front with them about the
past few years, you're past that far back may not matter at all.
 
 
Christopher Green
2/11/2005 6:16:48 PM


On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:48:08 -0500, eddiechuff@yahoo.com wrote:
Will a clearance be issued to someone that received a Dishonorable
discharge from the military 19 yrs. ago, filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy 13
yrs. ago, has a misdemeanor conviction for threatening a former
supervisor 10 yrs. ago, and was arrested for DUI (got it knocked down
to wreak less driving), two drunk if public charges.
None of these would be grounds for automatic denial of a clearance,
but taken together they are such strong evidence of bad character that
a denial is not likely unless these are all very old incidents and the
applicant has led an exemplary life since.
Federal policy tends to regard encounters with the law as the tip of
the iceberg: anybody who has had multiple run-ins falls under
suspicion of having done many more bad acts that went undetected.
--
Not a lawyer,
Chris Green
 
 
Barry Gold
2/15/2005 3:32:11 PM


eddiechuff@yahoo.com wrote:
From what I understand, there is no "litmus test". All cases are taken
on a case by case basis. For a "Secret" clearance, you're only required
to go back seven years. For a "Top Secret" clerance, I believe that you
have to go back ten. If they look back farther than ten years, they may
turn you down. If they don't, and you're up front with them about the
past few years, you're past that far back may not matter at all.
You only need to list your addresses and group affiliations that far
back. Convictions and suchlike are forever. I pled guilty to
possession of Marijuana in 1968 and had to list that on my application
for a clearance in 2003 (but it didn't prevent me getting the
clearance).
However as others have noted a Dishonorable Discharge will almost
certainly prevent OP from getting any significant level of DoD clearance
("Secret", "Top Secret", etc.). "Confidential" has practically
disappeared as a useful level. In the few places where it is used at
all it is granted by the employer. But I doubt the employer would grant
it to somebody with a DD.
A Bad Conduct Discharge, maybe. A "general discharge" (under "other
than honorable conditions"), yes.
I don't think a 13 year old bankrupcy would prevent you getting a
clearance. Nor would the "drunk in public" charges. The DUI might rate
you an interview with the FBI or some other agency (e.g. DIA) to make
sure your drinking is under control.
I don't know how bad the misdemeanor assault charge is going to be.
One thing for sure. Be sure to list _everything_ on your application.
Leave something off and your chances go from poor to zero. Plus lying
on your clearance form is a new crime.
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and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
 
 
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