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I wonder If there is any kind of action I can take, or get the police or
local sherrif dept to help me. Not a matter of a Whole whole lot of money
the Item(s) are worth, But I dont have an unliminted amount of money to work
with, and I want/need the Item(s) Back.
What is Is, I moved in with this woman,(her home) and with her permission,
was setting up my woodworking shop in the basement.
I had purchased a electrical Sub Panel, and about 10 feet of # 6/3 wire to
hook it from her main to my sub panel. I had mounted the Sub next to the
main, and have it wired in to her Main from a "stove pull out" style of fuse
holder(220 Volt), and wired over to my Sub.
As for the sub panel, there are no breakers installed in it, and hence, no
wireing coming out of the sub panel, running any of the circuits in her
house.
I had left a few shop lights and the like, that she said I could pick those
up, But as for the Sub panel, since it is wired into her main, she would
rather the electric was not "fooled" with. The electric goes off enough
around here.
She really don't know what she is talking about in this case, as removing
the sub will harm nothing.
I told her " I Installed it, I sure as hell know how to uninstall it. She
has seen me do wiring in her house, and knows I know what I am doing, but
she insists and says she "will not aurgue with me about it.
I left a message on her machine telling her that if she dont want to let me
un hook the panel and take it out, she should pay me for the panel, but of
course I did not hear back from her.
As there is no fuses in the pull out holder feeding the sub panel, All is
would be is a matter of removing the 2 wires from the fuse holder, and the
ground wire from the ground buss,
removing the feeder wire, and taking the Sub panel off the wall.
I suposse between the panel and the fuse holder(I paid for that too) and
the 10 feet of feeder wire, the value is about $150.00
Like I said, not a whole whole lot of money, but more than I can spend right
now, and I need the Item's to wire my shop in the new place I am living.
Is there any thing I can do that won't cost me anything, or cost me little.
Should I take her to small claims court. What does that cost to file, and If
I would win, would she then have to pay the cost.
Do you think the local police or sherrif dept can help?
I do know a few local sherrif's and 1 local Wheeling policeman, maybe I will
ask them too when I see them.
BTY I don't think there will be any way to reason with or talk it over with
this woman, and come out in my favor, so I don't know what else to do?
thanks for reading,
Tony
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In article <cna2e11mkefi9mp93hp48k84ef343m1b56@4ax.com>,
anthony Diodati <mrbreezeet1@highstream.net> wrote:
I wonder If there is any kind of action I can take, or get the police or
local sherrif dept to help me. Not a matter of a Whole whole lot of money
the Item(s) are worth, But I dont have an unliminted amount of money to work
with, and I want/need the Item(s) Back.
Based on your article, I suspect you did unlicensed wiring that isn't
up to code. You could call the Housing Inspector and get both of you
into a lot of trouble.
That might well be the result of any legal action you tried to take,
as well.
Seth
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In article <cna2e11mkefi9mp93hp48k84ef343m1b56@4ax.com>,
"anthony Diodati" <mrbreezeet1@highstream.net> wrote:
What is Is, I moved in with this woman,(her home) and with her permission,
was setting up my woodworking shop in the basement.
I had purchased a electrical Sub Panel, and about 10 feet of # 6/3 wire to
hook it from her main to my sub panel. I had mounted the Sub next to the
main, and have it wired in to her Main from a "stove pull out" style of fuse
holder(220 Volt), and wired over to my Sub.
In general, anything that you nail or screw down to the structure
of the house becomes part of the house, and you are not entitled
to simply remove it and take it. That would likely be the case
if you were in a landlord tenant situation. Here, you likely
didn't have a written contract, so once you are out, you are
out. Your option would be to negotiate, offer money, or sue.
-john-
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In article <cna2e11mkefi9mp93hp48k84ef343m1b56@4ax.com>,
anthony Diodati <mrbreezeet1@highstream.net> wrote:
I wonder If there is any kind of action I can take, or get the police or
local sherrif dept to help me. Not a matter of a Whole whole lot of money
the Item(s) are worth, But I dont have an unliminted amount of money to work
with, and I want/need the Item(s) Back.
What is Is, I moved in with this woman,(her home) and with her permission,
was setting up my woodworking shop in the basement.
I had purchased a electrical Sub Panel, and about 10 feet of # 6/3 wire to
hook it from her main to my sub panel. I had mounted the Sub next to the
main, and have it wired in to her Main from a "stove pull out" style of fuse
holder(220 Volt), and wired over to my Sub.
[[.. munch ..]]
That which is 'permanently attached' to the structure on the property becomes
the property of the owner of the property. The fact that a thing "can be
removed" is NOT sufficient to qualify it as 'not permanently attached'. Your
electrical work _would_ be regarded as permanently attached by any court.
You 'voluntarily' made an 'improvement' to the property, with the property
owner's permission.
That improvement belongs to the property owner.
You are SOL, as far as being able to remove the 'improvements' and/or getting
any money for them.
There is a *REMOTE* possibility that a small-claims judge might 'see things
your way', and decide that 'fairness' trumps established law in your case.
I would =not= want to bet on that happening, however -- it is *highly*likely*
that the only result would be that you would be out all the costs of the
small-claims action, _in_addition_to_ your existing expenses.
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Anthony,
While living with a friend you put an electrical sub panel in the
basement to service your woodworking shop. You have moved and wish to be
allowed to remove your sub panel or be paid for it.
You're on thin ice here. Such electrical wiring is commonly regarded as
part of the house. Unless you had a clear deal which guaranteed that you
could remove the wiring then it became a gift to the homeowner. The sub
panel is permanently attached to the wall and the wire is screwed into the
main box and the sub panel. You can try to sue in small claims court but I
think you'll lose. Sounds as if you still have a pretty good relationship
with this lady so don't screw it up. Plumbing, wiring, carpeting and
sometimes major appliances are considered to be part of the house.
To find out how much small claims filings are go down to the local court
house. The Clerk's office will often have a small claims info sheet.
Good luck,
Dave M.
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I wonder If there is any kind of action I can take, or get the police or
local sherrif dept to help me. Not a matter of a Whole whole lot of money
the Item(s) are worth, But I dont have an unliminted amount of money to
work
with, and I want/need the Item(s) Back.
As another poster said, it is possible the wiring you installed is not up to
code. Now that you are aware of that fact, perhaps you could make amends. Go
to the woman, filled with remorse for illegally installing possibly faulty
wiring, and offer to undo the trouble you have caused, that is, take out the
wiring so that her house will be safe.
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In general, anything that you nail or screw down to the structure
of the house becomes part of the house, and you are not entitled
to simply remove it and take it.
I wonder about that. Here are some things I believe might possibly be an
exception to that rule: a pencil sharpener screwed to the wall, an electric
toothbrush recharger fastened to the wall in the bathroom, an automatic can
opener fastened to the wall in the kitchen, the antique light fixture I put
over the dining room table, all those drapery fixtures, the doggy gates. If
you are right and these things became the property of the landlord, then I
must admit I violated the law many times in my youth. I hope the statute of
limitations has kicked in.
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As another poster said, it is possible the wiring you installed is not up
to
code. Now that you are aware of that fact, perhaps you could make amends.
Go
to the woman, filled with remorse for illegally installing possibly faulty
wiring, and offer to undo the trouble you have caused, that is, take out
the
wiring so that her house will be safe.
Well it turnes out I did go to the and they were able to waive the $70.00
court fee(based on my income) to serve her,now if I should win,she will be
required to pay the court costs.
or if she should get the papers and say ,call me and say,"look, I dont want
to have to go to small claims court,loose work,etc.just come get the damm
thing"the clerk told me someone must still pay the court cost's then they
told me to tell her OK,but you have to give me the panel, and pay the $70.00
court cost,before I'll drop the case. I asked them what if I "loose" then
they said I would have to pay it. We'll see what happen's, and I'll keep you
posted.
By the way, as I stated, we never did pull a permit, hardley anyone does
here in northern WV, but the wiring is 100% up to code.
(sorry, but I take pride in my work,and make sure I do things right)
Thanks, Tony
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I wonder about that. Here are some things I believe might possibly be an
exception to that rule: a pencil sharpener screwed to the wall, an
electric
toothbrush recharger fastened to the wall in the bathroom, an automatic
can
opener fastened to the wall in the kitchen, the antique light fixture I
put
over the dining room table, all those drapery fixtures, the doggy gates.
Electrical wiring panels are in a different category than the above,
precisely because it is highly unusual that they are intended to be removed,
whereas all of the items you described above are. More to the point, in some
case *drapery* may also fall into the "permanent" category, especially of
they and their hanging devices are custom made.
The other items you described are so minor that nobody would reasonably
expect them to be permanent.
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By the way, as I stated, we never did pull a permit, hardley anyone does
here in northern WV, but the wiring is 100% up to code.
(sorry, but I take pride in my work,and make sure I do things right)
What are you going to do when she contacts the local authorities and reports
you for doing work without a permit? You really can't win with this.
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What are you going to do when she contacts the local authorities and
reports
you for doing work without a permit? You really can't win with this.
I dont think she will...........she could get in trouble too right, local
wheeling Police officer said he dont think the judge will make an issue of
the permit. never know though??
I'll keep you all posted
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