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"Neighborhood Free Wireless Access Point
7/4/2003 9:11:37 PM


I received a bill the other day for $3.95 in the mail, apparently I had
clicked on a popup which I thought was to get a free screen saver and
<ASS_U_ME_d free> mortgage information. Apparently the screen saver is free
and the info/mortgage calculator is $3.95. The info/mortgage calculator was
worthless and out of date by any measure, but hey you take your chances,
that's life.
<Dumbass_admission_ON>
OK I only read about the first paragraph of the terms of the license
agreement, which were many pages in very small (6 point) font inside a small
2" x 3" popup>
<Dumbass_admission_OFF>
I went back and relooked at the website and popup, and you have to look hard
and read carefully to realize what they're saying is free, so I copied then
pasted the text into Word, expanded it to 12 point, it took 7 pages, then
read the entire popup and yes it says, "...and you'll never be charged more
than four dollars for this service..." near the bottom, screened by a lot of
nonsense in before it.
My question is how enforceable is their ability to collect the few bucks,
i.e. can I ignore it, claim I didn't order it (they sent it by mail and
email). I'm a little bit amused, but also think that's a pretty #@($ty way
to do business.
Thank you in advance, Dave
 
 
"David"
7/7/2003 10:26:36 AM


You've already spent more than $4.00 in your time just typing the email and
stewing over the matter. Forget about it.


"Neighborhood Free Wireless Access Point ." <nfwap@c0.com> wrote in message
news:d4mNa.79881$Io.7328566@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

I received a bill the other day for $3.95 in the mail, apparently I had
clicked on a popup which I thought was to get a free screen saver and
<ASS_U_ME_d free> mortgage information. Apparently the screen saver is
free
and the info/mortgage calculator is $3.95. The info/mortgage calculator
was
worthless and out of date by any measure, but hey you take your chances,
that's life.
<Dumbass_admission_ON>
OK I only read about the first paragraph of the terms of the license
agreement, which were many pages in very small (6 point) font inside a
small
2" x 3" popup>
<Dumbass_admission_OFF>
I went back and relooked at the website and popup, and you have to look
hard
and read carefully to realize what they're saying is free, so I copied
then
pasted the text into Word, expanded it to 12 point, it took 7 pages, then
read the entire popup and yes it says, "...and you'll never be charged
more
than four dollars for this service..." near the bottom, screened by a lot
of
nonsense in before it.
My question is how enforceable is their ability to collect the few bucks,
i.e. can I ignore it, claim I didn't order it (they sent it by mail and
email). I'm a little bit amused, but also think that's a pretty #@($ty
way
to do business.
Thank you in advance, Dave
 
 
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
7/7/2003 1:45:23 PM


In article <vgjbaecr157sdd@corp.supernews.com>, David <Dave> wrote:
You've already spent more than $4.00 in your time just typing the email and
stewing over the matter. Forget about it.
Wrong attitude. The more of this stuff we tolerate, the more of it
there's going to be. (Some people also promote the settling of nuisance
suits. The biggest proponents of this, of course, are the people who
file them.)


"Neighborhood Free Wireless Access Point ." <nfwap@c0.com> wrote in message
news:d4mNa.79881$Io.7328566@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

free
was
small
hard
then
more
of
way
 
 
gordonb.gg48l@sneaky.lerctr.org (Gordon Burditt)
7/7/2003 5:55:14 PM


I received a bill the other day for $3.95 in the mail, apparently I had
clicked on a popup which I thought was to get a free screen saver and
<ASS_U_ME_d free> mortgage information. Apparently the screen saver is free
and the info/mortgage calculator is $3.95. The info/mortgage calculator was
worthless and out of date by any measure, but hey you take your chances,
that's life.
Weren't you suspicious when it asked for your address? Or did it
pull that info out of your browser somehow? Your browser should
NOT be giving out sufficient information to send you a (postal)
bill if you just click on something.
If something asks for your address when it's not necessary for
shipping something to you, you should count on being billed for
something. Actually, if it IS necessary for shipping, you should
probably at leaat count on getting billed for postage at a minimum,
as there are lots of things that are "FREE (plus postage and
handling)". I don't know about you, but if I am buying supposedly
new merchandise, I want it UNHANDLED, much less having to pay some
undisclosed amount for the handling.
Pop-ups are one of the important reasons to turn OFF Javascript in
your browser and LEAVE IT OFF.
Gordon L. Burditt
 
 
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