1. Respect Your Children's Mother
One of the best things a father can do for his children is to respect
their mother. If you are married, keep your marriage strong and vital.
If you're not married, it is still important to respect and support
the mother of your children. A father and mother who respect each
other, and let their children know it, provide a secure environment
for them. When children see their parents respecting each other, they
are more likely to feel that they are also accepted and respected.
2. Spend Time with Your Children
How a father spends his time tells his children what's important to
him. If you always seem to busy for your children, they will feel
neglected no matter what you say. Treasuring children often means
sacrificing other things, but it is essential to spend time with your
children. Kids grow up so quickly. Missed opportunities are forever
lost.
3. Earn the Right to Be Heard
All too often the only time a father speaks to his children is when
they have done something wrong. That's why so many children cringe
when their mother says, "Your father wants to talk with you." Begin
talking with your kids when they are very young so that difficult
subjects will be easier to handle as they get older. Take time and
listen to their ideas and problems.
4. Discipline with Love
All children need guidance and discipline, not as punishment, but to
set reasonable limits. Remind your children of the consequences of
their actions and provide meaningful rewards for desirable behavior.
Fathers who discipline in a calm and fair manner show love for their
children.
5. Be a Role Model
Fathers are role models to their kids whether they realize it or not.
A girl who spends time with a loving father grows up knowing she
deserves to be treated with respect by boys, and what to look for in a
husband. Fathers can teach sons what is important in life by
demonstrating honesty, humility and responsibility. "All the world's a
stage..." and a father plays one of the most vital roles.
6. Be a Teacher
Too many fathers think teaching is something others do. But a father
who teaches his children about right and wrong, and encourages them to
do their best, will see his children make good choices. Involved
fathers use everyday examples to help their children learn the basic
lessons of life.
7. Eat Together as a Family
Sharing a meal together (breakfast, lunch or dinner) can be an
important part of healthy family life. In addition to providing some
structure in a busy day, it gives kids the chance to talk about what
they are doing and want to do. It is also a good time for fathers to
listen and give advice. Most importantly, it is a time for families to
be together each day.
8. Read to Your Children
In a world where television often dominates the lives of children, it
is important that fathers make the effort to read to their children.
Children learn best by doing and reading, as well as seeing and
hearing. Begin reading to your children when they are very young. When
they are older encourage them to read on their own. Instilling your
children with a love for reading is one of the best ways to ensure
they will have a lifetime of personal and career growth.
9. Show Affection
Children need the security that comes from knowing they are wanted,
accepted and loved by their family. Parents, especially fathers, need
to feel both comfortable and willing to hug their children. Showing
affection everyday is the best way to let your children know that you
love them.
10. Realize that a Father's Job Is Never Done
Even after children are grown and ready to leave home, they will still
look to their fathers for wisdom and advice. Whether it's continued
schooling, a new job or a wedding, fathers continue to play an
essential part in the lives of their children as they grow and,
perhaps, marry and build their own families.
[Printed with permission from the National Fatherhood Initiative]

1. Respect Your Children's Mother
One of the best things a father can do for his children is to respect
their mother. If you are married, keep your marriage strong and vital.
If you're not married, it is still important to respect and support
the mother of your children. A father and mother who respect each
other, and let their children know it, provide a secure environment
for them. When children see their parents respecting each other, they
are more likely to feel that they are also accepted and respected.
2. Spend Time with Your Children
How a father spends his time tells his children what's important to
him. If you always seem to busy for your children, they will feel
neglected no matter what you say. Treasuring children often means
sacrificing other things, but it is essential to spend time with your
children. Kids grow up so quickly. Missed opportunities are forever
lost.
3. Earn the Right to Be Heard
All too often the only time a father speaks to his children is when
they have done something wrong. That's why so many children cringe
when their mother says, "Your father wants to talk with you." Begin
talking with your kids when they are very young so that difficult
subjects will be easier to handle as they get older. Take time and
listen to their ideas and problems.
4. Discipline with Love
All children need guidance and discipline, not as punishment, but to
set reasonable limits. Remind your children of the consequences of
their actions and provide meaningful rewards for desirable behavior.
Fathers who discipline in a calm and fair manner show love for their
children.
5. Be a Role Model
Fathers are role models to their kids whether they realize it or not.
A girl who spends time with a loving father grows up knowing she
deserves to be treated with respect by boys, and what to look for in a
husband. Fathers can teach sons what is important in life by
demonstrating honesty, humility and responsibility. "All the world's a
stage..." and a father plays one of the most vital roles.
6. Be a Teacher
Too many fathers think teaching is something others do. But a father
who teaches his children about right and wrong, and encourages them to
do their best, will see his children make good choices. Involved
fathers use everyday examples to help their children learn the basic
lessons of life.
7. Eat Together as a Family
Sharing a meal together (breakfast, lunch or dinner) can be an
important part of healthy family life. In addition to providing some
structure in a busy day, it gives kids the chance to talk about what
they are doing and want to do. It is also a good time for fathers to
listen and give advice. Most importantly, it is a time for families to
be together each day.
8. Read to Your Children
In a world where television often dominates the lives of children, it
is important that fathers make the effort to read to their children.
Children learn best by doing and reading, as well as seeing and
hearing. Begin reading to your children when they are very young. When
they are older encourage them to read on their own. Instilling your
children with a love for reading is one of the best ways to ensure
they will have a lifetime of personal and career growth.
9. Show Affection
Children need the security that comes from knowing they are wanted,
accepted and loved by their family. Parents, especially fathers, need
to feel both comfortable and willing to hug their children. Showing
affection everyday is the best way to let your children know that you
love them.
10. Realize that a Father's Job Is Never Done
Even after children are grown and ready to leave home, they will still
look to their fathers for wisdom and advice. Whether it's continued
schooling, a new job or a wedding, fathers continue to play an
essential part in the lives of their children as they grow and,
perhaps, marry and build their own families.

1. Respect Your Children's Mother
One of the best things a father can do for his children is to respect
their mother. If you are married, keep your marriage strong and vital.
If you're not married, it is still important to respect and support
the mother of your children. A father and mother who respect each
other, and let their children know it, provide a secure environment
for them. When children see their parents respecting each other, they
are more likely to feel that they are also accepted and respected.
2. Spend Time with Your Children
How a father spends his time tells his children what's important to
him. If you always seem to busy for your children, they will feel
neglected no matter what you say. Treasuring children often means
sacrificing other things, but it is essential to spend time with your
children. Kids grow up so quickly. Missed opportunities are forever
lost.
3. Earn the Right to Be Heard
All too often the only time a father speaks to his children is when
they have done something wrong. That's why so many children cringe
when their mother says, "Your father wants to talk with you." Begin
talking with your kids when they are very young so that difficult
subjects will be easier to handle as they get older. Take time and
listen to their ideas and problems.
4. Discipline with Love
All children need guidance and discipline, not as punishment, but to
set reasonable limits. Remind your children of the consequences of
their actions and provide meaningful rewards for desirable behavior.
Fathers who discipline in a calm and fair manner show love for their
children.
5. Be a Role Model
Fathers are role models to their kids whether they realize it or not.
A girl who spends time with a loving father grows up knowing she
deserves to be treated with respect by boys, and what to look for in a
husband. Fathers can teach sons what is important in life by
demonstrating honesty, humility and responsibility. "All the world's a
stage..." and a father plays one of the most vital roles.
6. Be a Teacher
Too many fathers think teaching is something others do. But a father
who teaches his children about right and wrong, and encourages them to
do their best, will see his children make good choices. Involved
fathers use everyday examples to help their children learn the basic
lessons of life.
7. Eat Together as a Family
Sharing a meal together (breakfast, lunch or dinner) can be an
important part of healthy family life. In addition to providing some
structure in a busy day, it gives kids the chance to talk about what
they are doing and want to do. It is also a good time for fathers to
listen and give advice. Most importantly, it is a time for families to
be together each day.
8. Read to Your Children
In a world where television often dominates the lives of children, it
is important that fathers make the effort to read to their children.
Children learn best by doing and reading, as well as seeing and
hearing. Begin reading to your children when they are very young. When
they are older encourage them to read on their own. Instilling your
children with a love for reading is one of the best ways to ensure
they will have a lifetime of personal and career growth.
9. Show Affection
Children need the security that comes from knowing they are wanted,
accepted and loved by their family. Parents, especially fathers, need
to feel both comfortable and willing to hug their children. Showing
affection everyday is the best way to let your children know that you
love them.
10. Realize that a Father's Job Is Never Done
Even after children are grown and ready to leave home, they will still
look to their fathers for wisdom and advice. Whether it's continued
schooling, a new job or a wedding, fathers continue to play an
essential part in the lives of their children as they grow and,
perhaps, marry and build their own families.
[Printed with permission from the National Fatherhood Initiative]

All of which are impossible, if the wife has @$#*ed another bloke,
stolen your house, and refused access.

robgautier@DCEmail.com (Robert Gautier) wrote in message
news:<e45fbc08.0311121700.186b5d70@posting.google.com>...

In article <d33ce629.0311130843.159d50db@posting.google.com>, Ian says...
Whoopsie. Sounds like someone didn't implement item number 1 below.

Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:<bp0drc0vcj@drn.newsguy.com>...
Respect of a person doesn't somehow force respect back. Were that
the case, there would be no wars @$#*head.

Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message

Respect of a person doesn't somehow force respect back. Were that
the case, there would be no wars @$#*head.

1. Respect Your Children's Mother
One of the best things a father can do for his children is to respect
their mother. If you are married, keep your marriage strong and vital.
If you're not married, it is still important to respect and support
the mother of your children. A father and mother who respect each
other, and let their children know it, provide a secure environment
for them. When children see their parents respecting each other, they
are more likely to feel that they are also accepted and respected.
2. Spend Time with Your Children
How a father spends his time tells his children what's important to
him. If you always seem to busy for your children, they will feel
neglected no matter what you say. Treasuring children often means
sacrificing other things, but it is essential to spend time with your
children. Kids grow up so quickly. Missed opportunities are forever
lost.
3. Earn the Right to Be Heard
All too often the only time a father speaks to his children is when
they have done something wrong. That's why so many children cringe
when their mother says, "Your father wants to talk with you." Begin
talking with your kids when they are very young so that difficult
subjects will be easier to handle as they get older. Take time and
listen to their ideas and problems.
4. Discipline with Love
All children need guidance and discipline, not as punishment, but to
set reasonable limits. Remind your children of the consequences of
their actions and provide meaningful rewards for desirable behavior.
Fathers who discipline in a calm and fair manner show love for their
children.
5. Be a Role Model
Fathers are role models to their kids whether they realize it or not.
A girl who spends time with a loving father grows up knowing she
deserves to be treated with respect by boys, and what to look for in a
husband. Fathers can teach sons what is important in life by
demonstrating honesty, humility and responsibility. "All the world's a
stage..." and a father plays one of the most vital roles.
6. Be a Teacher
Too many fathers think teaching is something others do. But a father
who teaches his children about right and wrong, and encourages them to
do their best, will see his children make good choices. Involved
fathers use everyday examples to help their children learn the basic
lessons of life.
7. Eat Together as a Family
Sharing a meal together (breakfast, lunch or dinner) can be an
important part of healthy family life. In addition to providing some
structure in a busy day, it gives kids the chance to talk about what
they are doing and want to do. It is also a good time for fathers to
listen and give advice. Most importantly, it is a time for families to
be together each day.
8. Read to Your Children
In a world where television often dominates the lives of children, it
is important that fathers make the effort to read to their children.
Children learn best by doing and reading, as well as seeing and
hearing. Begin reading to your children when they are very young. When
they are older encourage them to read on their own. Instilling your
children with a love for reading is one of the best ways to ensure
they will have a lifetime of personal and career growth.
9. Show Affection
Children need the security that comes from knowing they are wanted,
accepted and loved by their family. Parents, especially fathers, need
to feel both comfortable and willing to hug their children. Showing
affection everyday is the best way to let your children know that you
love them.
10. Realize that a Father's Job Is Never Done
Even after children are grown and ready to leave home, they will still
look to their fathers for wisdom and advice. Whether it's continued
schooling, a new job or a wedding, fathers continue to play an
essential part in the lives of their children as they grow and,
perhaps, marry and build their own families.
[Printed with permission from the National Fatherhood Initiative]

In article <d33ce629.0311140224.71fdc5f3@posting.google.com>, Ian says...
Ooooo - I can tell you're very respectful.
Banty

1. Respect Your Children's Mother
One of the best things a father can do for his children is to respect
their mother. If you are married, keep your marriage strong and vital.
If you're not married, it is still important to respect and support
the mother of your children. A father and mother who respect each
other, and let their children know it, provide a secure environment
for them. When children see their parents respecting each other, they
are more likely to feel that they are also accepted and respected.
2. Spend Time with Your Children
How a father spends his time tells his children what's important to
him. If you always seem to busy for your children, they will feel
neglected no matter what you say. Treasuring children often means
sacrificing other things, but it is essential to spend time with your
children. Kids grow up so quickly. Missed opportunities are forever
lost.
3. Earn the Right to Be Heard
All too often the only time a father speaks to his children is when
they have done something wrong. That's why so many children cringe
when their mother says, "Your father wants to talk with you." Begin
talking with your kids when they are very young so that difficult
subjects will be easier to handle as they get older. Take time and
listen to their ideas and problems.
4. Discipline with Love
All children need guidance and discipline, not as punishment, but to
set reasonable limits. Remind your children of the consequences of
their actions and provide meaningful rewards for desirable behavior.
Fathers who discipline in a calm and fair manner show love for their
children.
5. Be a Role Model
Fathers are role models to their kids whether they realize it or not.
A girl who spends time with a loving father grows up knowing she
deserves to be treated with respect by boys, and what to look for in a
husband. Fathers can teach sons what is important in life by
demonstrating honesty, humility and responsibility. "All the world's a
stage..." and a father plays one of the most vital roles.
6. Be a Teacher
Too many fathers think teaching is something others do. But a father
who teaches his children about right and wrong, and encourages them to
do their best, will see his children make good choices. Involved
fathers use everyday examples to help their children learn the basic
lessons of life.
7. Eat Together as a Family
Sharing a meal together (breakfast, lunch or dinner) can be an
important part of healthy family life. In addition to providing some
structure in a busy day, it gives kids the chance to talk about what
they are doing and want to do. It is also a good time for fathers to
listen and give advice. Most importantly, it is a time for families to
be together each day.
8. Read to Your Children
In a world where television often dominates the lives of children, it
is important that fathers make the effort to read to their children.
Children learn best by doing and reading, as well as seeing and
hearing. Begin reading to your children when they are very young. When
they are older encourage them to read on their own. Instilling your
children with a love for reading is one of the best ways to ensure
they will have a lifetime of personal and career growth.
9. Show Affection
Children need the security that comes from knowing they are wanted,
accepted and loved by their family. Parents, especially fathers, need
to feel both comfortable and willing to hug their children. Showing
affection everyday is the best way to let your children know that you
love them.
10. Realize that a Father's Job Is Never Done
Even after children are grown and ready to leave home, they will still
look to their fathers for wisdom and advice. Whether it's continued
schooling, a new job or a wedding, fathers continue to play an
essential part in the lives of their children as they grow and,
perhaps, marry and build their own families.
[Printed with permission from the National Fatherhood Initiative]

You forgot # 11: Donate generously to your local men's and fathers PAC
in your state to make sure you are empowered to do al of these
wonderful things for your children.

robgautier@DCEmail.com (Robert Gautier) wrote in message news:<e45fbc08.0311121700.186b5d70@posting.google.com>...

Robert Gautier wrote:
Good suggestions, but please answer a couple of questions about how a
man is supposed to do all that.
How does a man do all that after the illegal "family" court system took
his kids away and issued a restraining order forbidding him from ever
seeing them again?
How does a man do all that when he's forced to work 55 hours per week to
meet the "child support" payments so his ex can take her latest @$#* out
to the indian casino every month.
How does a man do all that when his ex took his kids to a foreign state
and he's prevented from knowing where they went by blue gun thugs and
femroid courts?
Bob

Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message

When I'm respected.

Robert Gautier wrote:
Good suggestions, but please answer a couple of questions about how a
man is supposed to do all that.
How does a man do all that after the illegal "family" court system took
his kids away and issued a restraining order forbidding him from ever
seeing them again?
How does a man do all that when he's forced to work 55 hours per week to
meet the "child support" payments so his ex can take her latest @$#* out
to the indian casino every month.
How does a man do all that when his ex took his kids to a foreign state
and he's prevented from knowing where they went by blue gun thugs and
femroid courts?

"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB538B7.4040707@hotmail.com...
I'd say, then, that you lost your chance. Should have done that before all
that happened.

Byron Canfield wrote:
Obviously you have never seen the inside of the "family" injustice system.

Do you work for the government BTW?

, Ian says...
Whoopsie. Sounds like someone didn't implement item number 1 below.

Nope No 1 below clerly says "respect each other".
If the wife is unfaithful she has no respect and cn expect none in return.
Besides I thought this was the dads-rights group. Not the dads-duties group
?So imagine you do all of those things and you are a first class dad to your
kids and an attentive husband to your wife. Then one day you come home from
work and your wife says she is bored with you and wants a divorce...
What do you do then to be a better father ?

robgautier@DCEmail.com (Robert Gautier) wrote in message
news:<e45fbc08.0311121700.186b5d70@posting.google.com>...
1. Respect Your Children's Mother
One of the best things a father can do for his children is to respect
their mother. If you are married, keep your marriage strong and vital.
If you're not married, it is still important to respect and support
the mother of your children. A father and mother who respect each
other, and let their children know it, provide a secure environment
for them. When children see their parents respecting each other, they
are more likely to feel that they are also accepted and respected.

Nope No 1 below clerly says "respect each other".
If the wife is unfaithful she has no respect and cn expect none in return.
Besides I thought this was the dads-rights group. Not the dads-duties group
?
So imagine you do all of those things and you are a first class dad to your
kids and an attentive husband to your wife. Then one day you come home from
work and your wife says she is bored with you and wants a divorce...
What do you do then to be a better father ?

For the most part, the same things? You dont think you have duties as
well as rights when it comes to your children?

3. Earn the Right to Be Heard

All too often the only time a father speaks to his children is when
they have done something wrong. That's why so many children cringe
when their mother says, "Your father wants to talk with you." Begin
talking with your kids when they are very young so that difficult
subjects will be easier to handle as they get older. Take time and
listen to their ideas and problems.

4... ditto

5. Be a Role Model

Fathers are role models to their kids whether they realize it or not.
A girl who spends time with a loving father grows up knowing she
deserves to be treated with respect by boys, and what to look for in a
husband. Fathers can teach sons what is important in life by
demonstrating honesty, humility and responsibility. "All the world's a
stage..." and a father plays one of the most vital roles.

6. Be a Teacher

Too many fathers think teaching is something others do. But a father
who teaches his children about right and wrong, and encourages them to
do their best, will see his children make good choices. Involved
fathers use everyday examples to help their children learn the basic
lessons of life.

7. Eat Together as a Family

Sharing a meal together (breakfast, lunch or dinner) can be an
important part of healthy family life. In addition to providing some
structure in a busy day, it gives kids the chance to talk about what
they are doing and want to do. It is also a good time for fathers to
listen and give advice. Most importantly, it is a time for families to
be together each day.

8 & 9 ... as 3 & 4: sexist implication that fathers are somehow deficient

10. Realize that a Father's Job Is Never Done

Even after children are grown and ready to leave home, they will still
look to their fathers for wisdom and advice. Whether it's continued
schooling, a new job or a wedding, fathers continue to play an
essential part in the lives of their children as they grow and,
perhaps, marry and build their own families.

...-elision for brevity-

Continue to strive to be a good role model for your children no
matter what the circumstances. Just try to be the best person you can
be, for their sake and put them above all else.

return.
Besides I thought this was the dads-rights group. Not the dads-duties
group
?So imagine you do all of those things and you are a first class dad to
your
kids and an attentive husband to your wife. Then one day you come home
from
work and your wife says she is bored with you and wants a divorce...
What do you do then to be a better father ?
What ever gives you that idea ?
I believe Ian's point is: How do you spend time with your children if your
ex will only let you
see them once a fortnight ?
A home where "toy boy" is busy humping mum all day long is no secure
environment.
Many mothers are too self centred and self serving to have time for their
children. To them they are merely instruments of
emotional black-mail, financial extortion and vindictive mind games. The "10
ways to be a better father" apply equally to parents of either gender.
To qualify it is a list for fathers is promoting the sexist stereotype that
fathers are deficient in these areas.For instance:
Is there any statistical evidence for the "all too often" claim ?
Is there any evidence fathers are any worse than mothers in this ?
This portrays a stereotype autocratic parent and then lables this person
"father".
That is sexist.
ditto.
...and I am not convinced by the humility bit: All to often a humble person
is
taken advantage of. Especial by a greedy self serving woman, who wants to be
the center of attention everywhere and treats her gentleman-husband as her
butler and respects him about as much as one can respect a doormat.
My ex used to tell me our son did not need my input as he had been to school
that day. So in my personal experience it is not the father, but the mother
who thinks this.
Now there is a sore point. That's what I asked my ex regularly to do. But
no, she thought a child should sit on his own in front of the TV while she
yacked on the phone smoking and drinking and ignoring him completely every
day for hours... well until she was so drunk that her words got slurred and
she fell of her stool in a coma... but the courts in their infinite wisdom
elect her as the resident parent. (The infinte wisdom bit, by the way, is
sarcasm).
With Mrs. in charge of the kitchen a father rarely has input to this. I
suggest we move it to the list for things a mother should do to be a better
mother. Which is entirely off topic as we are here to discuss father's
rights not mother's responsibilities.
in performing these duties.
Which is one reason why it is so important to defend the right of a father
to
retain good contact with his children after divorce. And to curtail the
mothers powers to obstruct it...

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:17:47 +1300, "ChrisScaife"
<ChrisScaife@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
, Ian says...
All of which are impossible, if the wife has @$#*ed another bloke,
stolen your house, and refused access.
Whoopsie. Sounds like someone didn't implement item number 1 below.
For the most part, the same things? You dont think you have duties as
well as rights when it comes to your children?

Well, more than that actually. Including feeding them, keeping a healthy
envrionment for them, and taking time off work to take them to the doctor.

of which can be done about half time in a joint custody situation. THe

default for divorce, and one of course granted to the father as well as

mother because he's been doing that all along.
No?
You mean he's going to present himself as the breadwinner, head of the

and lifelong advisor to his children, but the day to day and minute to

maintenance and nurturing roles are not his? Whoopsie again.

Sadly when it comes to divorce and separation over 40% of fathers
will loose all contact with their children.