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In CA SF bay area :
I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
limit.
Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
Seatbelt.
I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?
I havent been able to get details over phone and am planning to go to
the traffic court to find out more.
Thanks in advance ...
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In article <6c8b1f5.0311211645.1dd40f2f@posting.google.com>, nilanjan says...
In CA SF bay area :
I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
limit.
Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
Seatbelt.
I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?
It's saving you money and grief in the long run.
If you address your seatbelt and speeding issues because of the high fine, you
can go on with your life.
If you don't, you're risking death or serious injury to the child.
So pay up and get it together.
Banty
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: In CA SF bay area :
:: I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
: limit.
:: Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
: seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
:: The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
: Seatbelt.
: I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
:: I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
: so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?
:: I havent been able to get details over phone and am planning to go to
: the traffic court to find out more.
:: Thanks in advance ...
Well, it's high because California apparently is very serious about kids
having their seat belts on. Or maybe they're using that as a way to solve
the budget crisis. Sadly for you, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
You can explain until you're blue in the face that your kid took the seat
belt off after you got pulled over, but you're going to have to convince the
judge of that. Maybe they would do a probation sort of thing--let you off
the hook this time, with the understanding that there will be no leniency
whatsoever if there's ever a next time.
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ColoradoSkiBum
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Hi -
About the speeding part, just pay.
About the seatbelt part ... see if you can get reliable, credible people
to testify that yes, you always require your child to have his seatbelt
on when the car is in motion, and yes, your child hates the seatbelt and
removes it the second the motor is turned off. (Or whatever is accurate
about your child.) In other words, have some evidence that you don't go
around with your child loose in the car, and see if the judge believes
you.
Good luck,
--Beth Kevles
bethkevles@aol.com
http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.
NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would
like me to reply.
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In article <6c8b1f5.0311211645.1dd40f2f@posting.google.com>,
nilanjan_sarkar@hotmail.com (nilanjan) wrote:
Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
Then your inability to properly supervise your child is going to cost
you a few bucks.
Let's hope that motivates you to turn your unruly 5 year old into an
obedient 5 year old.
If it doesn't, the costs of his unruliness is only going to go up.
-Sloopy
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nilanjan! wrote:
In CA SF bay area :
I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
limit.
Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
Seatbelt.
I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?
I havent been able to get details over phone and am planning to go to
the traffic court to find out more.
Thanks in advance ...
FWIW, there are no laws requiring a seat belt while the vehicle is stopped.
Since the officer could problably not see the child was wearing the seat
belt, you could challenge his observations in court.
In Texas, they cite you for not wearing a belt even if the vehicle is not
required to have one.
I guess they figure if they don't see the shoulder harness, you're not
wearing it.
I've heard of officers citing drivers for no seatbelts in antique cars built
before there were seatbelts.
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It's saving you money and grief in the long run.
If you address your seatbelt and speeding issues because of the high
fine, you
can go on with your life.
If you don't, you're risking death or serious injury to the child.
So pay up and get it together.
Banty
I take it you don't have children, or you wouldn't have made such a stupid
argument. The child took the seatbelt off when the car was stopped. It is
most likely that no seatbelt law was even violated.
This reminds me of one time I was stopped for "speeding" (going with the
flow of traffic). While I only wear my seatbelt about 50% of the time, this
particular day I got lucky, as I was wearing the seatbelt when I was
stopped. After the cop came to my window, he very politely explained that
he had stopped me for speeding, told me how fast he had measured my speed at
and asked me for my license and registration. I immediately complied with
his request for my license and registration, but had to remove my seatbelt
to retrieve my license and registration. The cop was watching me as I
removed my seatbelt to comply with his request. Luckily, I was not ticketed
for speeding, probably because the cop ran a record check and found out my
record was spotless for many years. But he gave me a written warning for
not wearing my seat belt. (!) -Dave
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In article <sFHvb.14092$Rk5.8584@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Dave C.
says...
fine, you
I take it you don't have children, or you wouldn't have made such a stupid
argument. The child took the seatbelt off when the car was stopped. It is
most likely that no seatbelt law was even violated.
Yes I have a child and you should refer to HCN's post as to how the OP should
solve this problem.
This reminds me of one time I was stopped for "speeding" (going with the
flow of traffic). While I only wear my seatbelt about 50% of the time,
You're taking your life in your hands as well. It's difficult to take seriously
someone who has admitted to such poor judgement.
Banty
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You're taking your life in your hands as well. It's difficult to take
seriously
someone who has admitted to such poor judgement.
Banty
Life is risk, Banty. If I wore a seat belt all the time, I'd probably wear
a safety helmet to post on usenet, also. After all, you never know when a
meteor might crash through your roof and hit you on the head. Better safe
than sorry. :) I'm kidding, of course. I'm debating whether to hit the
"send" button, as, with my luck, it will soon be law to wear PPE while
surfing the Internet. -Dave
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Dave C. wrote:
Life is risk, Banty. If I wore a seat belt all the time, I'd probably wear
a safety helmet to post on usenet, also. After all, you never know when a
meteor might crash through your roof and hit you on the head. Better safe
than sorry. :) I'm kidding, of course. I'm debating whether to hit the
"send" button, as, with my luck, it will soon be law to wear PPE while
surfing the Internet. -Dave
A splash shield on the keyboard and monitor to avoid damage when
lauphing at posts while drinking is probably a good idea....
(BTW, has anyone got a good .signature tagline for
"Don't drink and post"?)
--
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I think I've got the problem resolved, but, if you E-mail me
and it bounces, a second try might work.
However, please reply in newsgroup.
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nilanjan wrote:
In CA SF bay area :
I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
limit.
Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
Seatbelt.
I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
My $.02. (This computer is sold old that I can't reliably
look at the CVC while posting, so I haven't check the precise
meaning of 27360.5.)
I also don't know if that seatbelt violation is a "points" offense.
However, I'd probably take traffic school on the speeding ticket
and fight the seatbelt ticket. It's likely that the officer
DIDN'T see whether your child was wearing the seatbelt, and
you may be able to present evidence that he COULDN'T HAVE
SEEN it. However, if it's a child seat violation, (which it
may be -- the last time I checked it was *6* years or 60 pounds,
but I don't know the effective date of that law), you're dead --
and you're lucky they didn't tack on "child endangerment".
I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?
I havent been able to get details over phone and am planning to go to
the traffic court to find out more.
Thanks in advance ...
--
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I think I've got the problem resolved, but, if you E-mail me
and it bounces, a second try might work.
However, please reply in newsgroup.
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In <3FBF9F16.1C48@sprintmail.com>,
Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
*nilanjan wrote:
*>
*> In CA SF bay area :
*>
*> I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
*> limit.
*>
*> Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
*> seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
*>
*> The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
*> Seatbelt.
*> I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
**My $.02. (This computer is sold old that I can't reliably
*look at the CVC while posting, so I haven't check the precise
*meaning of 27360.5.)
The code covers child restraints and seatbelts. It says "A first offense
under this section is punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars ($100),
except that the court may reduce or waive the fine if the defendant
establishes to the satisfaction of the court that he or she is
economically disadvantaged..." so this is not where the money is.
--
hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net info@hillary.net
"uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)
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In article <3FBF9CF0.4ACE@sprintmail.com>, Arthur L. Rubin says...
Dave C. wrote:
A splash shield on the keyboard and monitor to avoid damage when
lauphing at posts while drinking is probably a good idea....
No splash shield?
Oh, sorry - here Arthur. You can use the one I used as an EMT when I extricated
these guys from their steering columns. It might be a tad close to your face,
though - it's made to stop the spatter coming in, not going out.
Banty (meteors! tee hee - I don't remember responding to any meteor incidents)
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Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
Shouldn't he/she have been in a booster seat too?
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On 22 Nov 2003 05:44:12 -0800, Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
This reminds me of one time I was stopped for "speeding" (going with the
flow of traffic). While I only wear my seatbelt about 50% of the time,
You're taking your life in your hands as well. It's difficult to take seriously
someone who has admitted to such poor judgement.
You are freaking idiot.
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In article <sFHvb.14092$Rk5.8584@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote:
This reminds me of one time I was stopped for "speeding" (going with the
flow of traffic). While I only wear my seatbelt about 50% of the time, this
particular day I got lucky, as I was wearing the seatbelt when I was
stopped. After the cop came to my window, he very politely explained that
he had stopped me for speeding, told me how fast he had measured my speed at
and asked me for my license and registration. I immediately complied with
his request for my license and registration, but had to remove my seatbelt
to retrieve my license and registration. The cop was watching me as I
removed my seatbelt to comply with his request. Luckily, I was not ticketed
for speeding, probably because the cop ran a record check and found out my
record was spotless for many years. But he gave me a written warning for
not wearing my seat belt. (!) -Dave
Wow!
I've read a lot of posts on Usenet.
This is one of the dumbest.
-Sloopy
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This reminds me of one time I was stopped for "speeding" (going with the
flow of traffic). While I only wear my seatbelt about 50% of the time,
this
particular day I got lucky, as I was wearing the seatbelt when I was
stopped. After the cop came to my window, he very politely explained that
he had stopped me for speeding, told me how fast he had measured my speed
at
and asked me for my license and registration. I immediately complied with
his request for my license and registration, but had to remove my seatbelt
to retrieve my license and registration. The cop was watching me as I
removed my seatbelt to comply with his request. Luckily, I was not
ticketed
for speeding, probably because the cop ran a record check and found out my
record was spotless for many years. But he gave me a written warning for
not wearing my seat belt. (!) -Dave
This happened to me. I took my seatbelt off to get my registration and the
cop was going to write me up for not having a seatbelt on. I told him he
could write me up for speeding but not for the seatbelt. I always have it
on and I only took it off to get the registration when he asked for it at my
window. He was standing right there when I took it off, though it was dark.
Anyway, I now know to keep it on and make a point of taking it off if it
ever happens again.
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:12:42 -0800, Sloopy <sloopy@hangon.xyz> wrote:
In article <6c8b1f5.0311211645.1dd40f2f@posting.google.com>,
nilanjan_sarkar@hotmail.com (nilanjan) wrote:
Then your inability to properly supervise your child is going to cost
you a few bucks.
Let's hope that motivates you to turn your unruly 5 year old into an
obedient 5 year old.
If it doesn't, the costs of his unruliness is only going to go up.
Hey, come on! My brother in law would say the kid was just being a
kid.
On the other hand, my brother in law is an asshole, who has an asshole
11-year old boy. A kid who is that way because when he was 10 his
father was too stupid to discipline him. And when he was 9, and 8,
and 7, and 6 ...
Some of us in the family expect him to be arrested by 16, I know it
will be long before that.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:22:00 GMT, "Dave C."
<spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote:
It's saving you money and grief in the long run.
If you address your seatbelt and speeding issues because of the high
fine, you
I take it you don't have children, or you wouldn't have made such a stupid
argument. The child took the seatbelt off when the car was stopped. It is
most likely that no seatbelt law was even violated.
Not the point. A 5 year old should not be allowed to take off a seat
belt. My 3 year old can, but knows he will be severely punished if he
does. He must ask first, and must wait for a response.
Now, we could argue that the 5 year old is normal. That may be true
in fact. All that shows is that normal parents are incapable of
raising children correctly.
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:59:03 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
Not the point. A 5 year old should not be allowed to take off a seat
belt. My 3 year old can, but knows he will be severely punished if he
does. He must ask first, and must wait for a response.
If you get in an accident and the child needs to get out of the car
fast, I hope he doesn't wait for you to tell him its ok especially if
you have been knocked unconscious.
The problem with hard and fast rules and obedience is that the
child doesn't learn how to judge when things are ok to do. And
the problem with punishment, especially harsh punishments is
that you will be teaching unintended lessons you don't want to
teach.
--
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
The Outer Limits
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: But he gave me a written warning for
: > not wearing my seat belt. (!) -Dave
:: This happened to me. I took my seatbelt off to get my registration and
the
: cop was going to write me up for not having a seatbelt on. I told him he
: could write me up for speeding but not for the seatbelt. I always have it
: on and I only took it off to get the registration when he asked for it at
my
: window. He was standing right there when I took it off, though it was
dark.
: Anyway, I now know to keep it on and make a point of taking it off if it
: ever happens again.
That sucks! He probably didn't see you take it off. My husband has shared
the many rules for "making a cop comfortable when you get pulled over" (he
has talked his way out of more tickets than I've ever even gotten, and I
have a few of them!). One of those is, never remove your seatbelt until the
cop asks for your registration, and when s/he does ask, tell her that you're
going to remove your seatbelt and open the glove compartment, okay? (Other
tips, if anyone's interested: When you get pulled over, roll your window
down about 1/3 of the way, and keep both hands on the steering wheel as s/he
approaches your car. Nothing's scarier to a cop than a person whose hands
they can't see.)
--
ColoradoSkiBum
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In article <euvvrv49iojtdauutrj5o79ph2ukbtvqiv@4ax.com>,
toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:59:03 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
If you get in an accident and the child needs to get out of the car
fast, I hope he doesn't wait for you to tell him its ok especially if
you have been knocked unconscious.
The problem with hard and fast rules and obedience is that the
child doesn't learn how to judge when things are ok to do. And
the problem with punishment, especially harsh punishments is
that you will be teaching unintended lessons you don't want to
teach.
You have *got* to be the worst parent out there. Or, you just have
dumb@$#* kids.
Ahhh, it's probably both.
Give your kids my sympathy.
-Sloopy
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:37:38 -0600, toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch>
wrote:
If you get in an accident and the child needs to get out of the car
fast, I hope he doesn't wait for you to tell him its ok especially if
you have been knocked unconscious.
The problem with hard and fast rules and obedience is that the
child doesn't learn how to judge when things are ok to do. And
the problem with punishment, especially harsh punishments is
that you will be teaching unintended lessons you don't want to
teach.
So it's better to have your child willing to unbelt themselves while
you're on the highway? Wow, great attitude! Even my four year old
knows better than that.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail
Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:05:08 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:37:38 -0600, toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch>
wrote:
So it's better to have your child willing to unbelt themselves while
you're on the highway? Wow, great attitude! Even my four year old
knows better than that.
That's not what she said.
Read the second paragraph again.
I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
told him to.
Nan
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: That's not what she said.
: Read the second paragraph again.
: I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
: punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
: emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
: If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
: told him to.
I think you need to give kids a little more credit than that. You're being
unreasonable. That's like saying, mommy and daddy told me to go to bed, now
the house is on fire but I can't get out of bed. What a crock!
--
ColoradoSkiBum
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:33:31 -0700, "ColoradoSkiBum"
<coloradoskibum@hotmail.com> wrote:
: That's not what she said.
: Read the second paragraph again.
: I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
: punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
: emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
: If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
: told him to.
I think you need to give kids a little more credit than that. You're being
unreasonable. That's like saying, mommy and daddy told me to go to bed, now
the house is on fire but I can't get out of bed. What a crock!
I don't think so. When there are absolutes, it isn't conducive to a
child learning how to use reasoning skills.
Nan
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In article <7ra0sv0oadc7c2rs4r9uvog2uitjprq313@4ax.com>,
Nan <nan@altmothers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:33:31 -0700, "ColoradoSkiBum"
<coloradoskibum@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't think so. When there are absolutes, it isn't conducive to a
child learning how to use reasoning skills.
Your kid's IQ is about 76, isn't it?
Like mother, like child.
-Sloopy
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:04:25 -0800, Sloopy <sloopy@hangon.xyz> wrote:
In article <7ra0sv0oadc7c2rs4r9uvog2uitjprq313@4ax.com>,
Nan <nan@altmothers.org> wrote:
Your kid's IQ is about 76, isn't it?
Like mother, like child.
-Sloopy
It's your bedtime and your mommy needs you to shut off the computer.
Buh-bye
Nan
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In article <mqc0svk45ridrpg3kjpcc9qnb0v20ui163@4ax.com>,
Nan <nan@altmothers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:04:25 -0800, Sloopy <sloopy@hangon.xyz> wrote:
It's your bedtime and your mommy needs you to shut off the computer.
Buh-bye
Is this the kind of crap we get on ca.driving when pinheads from
misc.kids are allowed in?
Look, Nan, you seem to think your child's an idiot. You must know it
better than I do, so I'm agreeing with you.
WTF is your problem?
-Sloopy
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:05:08 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:37:38 -0600, toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch>
wrote:
So it's better to have your child willing to unbelt themselves while
you're on the highway?
The child did not unbelt themselves when they were on the highway,
but after the car had stopped.
Wow, great attitude! Even my four year old knows better than that.
The child unbelted his seatbelt after the car was stopped. A three
year old knows the difference between when the car has stopped
and when it is moving.
Mine knew that we were not going anywhere until they got they
were in their carseats and had their seatbelts on very early because
if they unbelted while we were moving we stopped the car and
didn't go again until they were seat belted. No punishment was
necessary, that was enough.
They also knew that when we arrived they could unbelt themselves
or wait for us to do it. It was unnecessary to punish them for
taking belts off since they learned quite quickly that the car didn't
move unless everyone in the car had their seatbelt on.
And they learned also to have good judgement about when to take
it off and when to leave it on.
--
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
The Outer Limits
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:33:31 -0700, "ColoradoSkiBum"
<coloradoskibum@hotmail.com> wrote:
: That's not what she said.
: Read the second paragraph again.
: I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
: punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
: emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
: If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
: told him to.
I think you need to give kids a little more credit than that. You're being
unreasonable. That's like saying, mommy and daddy told me to go to bed, now
the house is on fire but I can't get out of bed. What a crock!
If the child is harshly punished for getting out of bed, this might
be the result. Two other possibilities may also result. The child
may enter a power struggle with you over this and continue not
to go to bed until the punishment escalates to the point where
he is injured or the child may learn to sneak out of bed when mom
and dad are no longer looking. Punishment teaches children
either to be cowed or to be rebellious or to be sneaky depending
upon their temperament. The harsher the punishment, the more
likely it is that the child's spirit will be broken, but children do
endure much and rebel against it.
--
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
The Outer Limits
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nilanjan_sarkar@hotmail.com (nilanjan) wrote in message news:<6c8b1f5.0311211645.1dd40f2f@posting.google.com>...
In CA SF bay area :
I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
limit.
Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.
The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
Seatbelt.
I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.
I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?
I havent been able to get details over phone and am planning to go to
the traffic court to find out more.
Thanks in advance ...
CA has a MINIMUM moving violation ticket price of $271 (or 273, I
can't recall which). Since you have two such violations, I think you
got of pretty light as your amount could be well over $500.
My feeling is, if you don't want to pay the price of a moving
violation, don't speed. It's really pretty simple. I learned how to
drive in SoCal, and learned early on that following the rules of the
road in CA is a good thing. When I moved to another state, I got a bit
lax in my driving abilities, (and that's being kind) because I lived
in MA, where there is no such thing as a moving violation, and if you
do get one, it's a measly $20 fine. When I returned to CA I got a
ticket for going through a yellow light, and got that minimum fine
ticket. It was the only moving violation I've ever gotten in CA. Once
bitten, twice shy.
Marjorie
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In article <12d0svof2d6crna5mm27ffn9bl0ahsjs4m@4ax.com>,
toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote:
If the child is harshly punished for getting out of bed, this might
be the result. Two other possibilities may also result. The child
may enter a power struggle with you over this and continue not
to go to bed until the punishment escalates to the point where
he is injured or the child may learn to sneak out of bed when mom
and dad are no longer looking. Punishment teaches children
either to be cowed or to be rebellious or to be sneaky depending
upon their temperament. The harsher the punishment, the more
likely it is that the child's spirit will be broken, but children do
endure much and rebel against it.
Is this post intended as an entry into some sort of World's Stupidest
Parent contest?
-Sloopy
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:25:58 -0500, Nan <nan@altmothers.org>
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:05:08 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
<grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
That's not what she said.
Read the second paragraph again.
I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
told him to.
Nothing like telling people how to raise their kids over the internet,
is there?
Nan
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In article <mqc0svk45ridrpg3kjpcc9qnb0v20ui163@4ax.com>, Nan says...
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:04:25 -0800, Sloopy <sloopy@hangon.xyz> wrote:
It's your bedtime and your mommy needs you to shut off the computer.
Buh-bye
Nan
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