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~Nins~ wrote:
We've all been through the threads here at uma about the Jessica Lynch drama; well, it appears that Lynch was not the soldier who battled against the enemy. I just hope the government, military, and the media will do the right thing and publicly acknowledge the truth as it is indicated in the below article (entire article not posted). The investigation may never state without a doubt it was him but clearly there is strong indication it was....so why not just go with it and give this family some peace? I'm not slamming the military, love you guys, but you (powers that be) need to get on the ball and do what is right with this case...just my opinion. What do members of Usenet think of it, what's your opinion? [Q]KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- The family of a Missouri soldier killed in the same Nasiriyah, Iraq battle that made Jessica Lynch a household hero wants the Army to set the record straight. Sgt. Donald R. Walters' family contends that he -- not Lynch -- was the blond soldier who was reported to have fought fiercely and did not want to be taken alive in the March 23 battle. "It was Don," said Walters' widow, Stacie, of northern Kansas City. "I want the military to face me and to tell me it was Don." .........Col. Heidi Brown at Fort Bliss, when interviewed by "60 Minutes," said Walters could be the blond soldier thought to have fought so hard before being stabbed. "When (the military and the media) thought the blond soldier was Jessica, they just ran with it," said his mother, Arlene Walters of Salem, Ore. "But Don was the one who stayed out there alone and fought for his fellow soldiers. I wish they'd come out and admit it." The Army released a 15-page narrative of the battle in July, but many families said the report didn't answer their questions. Walters, for example, mysteriously vanished from the convoy after the tractor-trailer carrying him got stuck. "There is some information," the July report states, "that a U.S. soldier, (who) could have been Walters, fought his way south of Highway 16 towards a canal and was killed in action." http://www.newstribune.com/stories/112903/sta_1129030003.asp [/Q]
-- "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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~Nins~ wrote:
I don't think the family in the article I provided wants anymore than what is due, and really it has nothing to do with Lynch herself but more with the media etc. Yes, it was media who went over the top,
Same media that went "over the top" fabricating lies, and exaggerating to support Bu$h's Illegal Invasion of Iraq ...
but did anyone do anything to effectively counter it?
Don't see the Whitehouse rushing to correct the absolutely FALSE beliefs held by over 50% of idiot Americans, do ya ...? Posted on Sun, Jun. 22, 2003 False war beliefs 'striking' BY FRANK DAVIES Washington Bureau WASHINGTON - A third of the American public believes U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll. And 22 percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological weapons. Before the war, half of those polled in a survey said Iraqis were among the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001. But such weapons have not been found in Iraq, and were never used. Most of the Sept. 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. None were Iraqis. How could so many people be so wrong about life-and-death information that has dominated news coverage for almost two years? These results startled the pollsters who conducted and analyzed the surveys. "It's a striking finding," said Steve Kull, director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, which asked the weapons questions during a May 14-18 poll of 1,265 respondents. He added, "Given the intensive news coverage and high levels of public attention, this level of misinformation suggests some Americans may be avoiding having an experience of cognitive dissonance." That is, having their beliefs conflict with the facts. Kull said the poll's data showed that the mistaken belief that weapons of mass destruction had been found "is substantially greater among those who favored the war." Pollsters and political analysts see several reasons for the gaps between facts and beliefs: the public's short attention span on foreign news, fragmentary or conflicting media reports that lacked depth or skepticism and Bush administration efforts to sell a war by oversimplifying the threat. "Most people get little whiffs and fragments of news, not in any organized way," said Thomas Mann, a scholar at the Brookings Institution, a centrist-liberal think tank. "And there have been a lot of conflicting reports on the weapons." Before the war, the U.S. media often reported as a fact the assertions by the Bush administration that Iraq possessed large stockpiles of illegal weapons. During and after the war, reports of weapons discoveries were often trumpeted on front pages, while follow-up stories debunking the "smoking gun" reports received less attention. "There were so many reports and claims before the war, it was easy to be confused," said Larry Hugick, chairmxan of Princeton Survey Research Associates. "But people expected the worst from Saddam Hussein and made connections based on the administration's policy." Bush has described the preemptive attack on Iraq as "one victory in the war on terror that began Sept. 11." Bush officials also claim that Iraq sheltered and helped al-Qaida operatives. "The public is susceptible to manipulation, and if they hear officials saying there is a strong connection between Iraq and al-Qaida terrorists, then they think there must be a connection," Mann said. "Tapping into the feelings and fears after Sept. 11 is a way to sell a policy," he added. Some analysts say Bush has been following a long presidential history of framing a foreign crisis for maximum domestic benefit. "I'm not going to defend the president, but a policy of preemptive attacks sure looks better after this country has been hit hard," said Sam Popkin, a polling expert at the University of California at San Diego. Polls show strong support for Bush and the war, although 40 percent in the May survey found U.S. officials were "misleading" in some of their justifications for war. A majority, 55 percent, said they were not misleading. Several analysts said the murky claims and intelligence data about lethal weapons and terrorist ties allow most people to see such news through the filter of their own political beliefs. And GOP pollsters said any controversy over weapons wouldn't change public attitudes because ridding Iraq of an oppressive regime was reason enough for war for many Americans. "People supported the war for national security reasons and that shifted to humanitarian reasons when they saw evidence of Saddam's atrocities," said Republican strategist Frank Luntz. "There's an assumption these weapons will be found because this guy was doing so many bad things." Popkin said he was troubled by the lack of knowledge about the Sept. 11 hijackers, shown in the January survey conducted for Knight Ridder newspapers. Only 17 percent correctly said that none of the hijackers were Iraqi. "That really bothers me because it shows a lack of understanding about other countries - that maybe many Americans don't know one Arab from another," Popkin said. "Maybe because Saudis are seen as rich and friendly, people have a hard time dealing with them as hijackers." begin 666 topstory_fromthe_txt.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``$9&1@```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` `end begin 666 spacer.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``$9&1@```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` `end
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~Nins~ wrote: Same media that went "over the top" fabricating lies, and exaggerating to support Bu$h's Illegal Invasion of Iraq ... Don't see the Whitehouse rushing to correct the absolutely FALSE beliefs held by over 50% of idiot Americans, do ya ...? Posted on Sun, Jun. 22, 2003 False war beliefs 'striking' BY FRANK DAVIES Washington Bureau WASHINGTON - A third of the American public believes U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll. And 22 percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological weapons. Before the war, half of those polled in a survey said Iraqis were among the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001. But such weapons have not been found in Iraq, and were never used. Most of the Sept. 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. None were Iraqis. How could so many people be so wrong about life-and-death information that has dominated news coverage for almost two years? These results startled the pollsters who conducted and analyzed the surveys. "It's a striking finding," said Steve Kull, director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, which asked the weapons questions during a May 14-18 poll of 1,265 respondents. He added, "Given the intensive news coverage and high levels of public attention, this level of misinformation suggests some Americans may be avoiding having an experience of cognitive dissonance." That is, having their beliefs conflict with the facts. Kull said the poll's data showed that the mistaken belief that weapons of mass destruction had been found "is substantially greater among those who favored the war." Pollsters and political analysts see several reasons for the gaps between facts and beliefs: the public's short attention span on foreign news, fragmentary or conflicting media reports that lacked depth or skepticism and Bush administration efforts to sell a war by oversimplifying the threat. "Most people get little whiffs and fragments of news, not in any organized way," said Thomas Mann, a scholar at the Brookings Institution, a centrist-liberal think tank. "And there have been a lot of conflicting reports on the weapons." Before the war, the U.S. media often reported as a fact the assertions by the Bush administration that Iraq possessed large stockpiles of illegal weapons. During and after the war, reports of weapons discoveries were often trumpeted on front pages, while follow-up stories debunking the "smoking gun" reports received less attention. "There were so many reports and claims before the war, it was easy to be confused," said Larry Hugick, chairmxan of Princeton Survey Research Associates. "But people expected the worst from Saddam Hussein and made connections based on the administration's policy." Bush has described the preemptive attack on Iraq as "one victory in the war on terror that began Sept. 11." Bush officials also claim that Iraq sheltered and helped al-Qaida operatives. "The public is susceptible to manipulation, and if they hear officials saying there is a strong connection between Iraq and al-Qaida terrorists, then they think there must be a connection," Mann said. "Tapping into the feelings and fears after Sept. 11 is a way to sell a policy," he added. Some analysts say Bush has been following a long presidential history of framing a foreign crisis for maximum domestic benefit. "I'm not going to defend the president, but a policy of preemptive attacks sure looks better after this country has been hit hard," said Sam Popkin, a polling expert at the University of California at San Diego. Polls show strong support for Bush and the war, although 40 percent in the May survey found U.S. officials were "misleading" in some of their justifications for war. A majority, 55 percent, said they were not misleading. Several analysts said the murky claims and intelligence data about lethal weapons and terrorist ties allow most people to see such news through the filter of their own political beliefs. And GOP pollsters said any controversy over weapons wouldn't change public attitudes because ridding Iraq of an oppressive regime was reason enough for war for many Americans. "People supported the war for national security reasons and that shifted to humanitarian reasons when they saw evidence of Saddam's atrocities," said Republican strategist Frank Luntz. "There's an assumption these weapons will be found because this guy was doing so many bad things." Popkin said he was troubled by the lack of knowledge about the Sept. 11 hijackers, shown in the January survey conducted for Knight Ridder newspapers. Only 17 percent correctly said that none of the hijackers were Iraqi. "That really bothers me because it shows a lack of understanding about other countries - that maybe many Americans don't know one Arab from another," Popkin said. "Maybe because Saudis are seen as rich and friendly, people have a hard time dealing with them as hijackers."
-- "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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