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I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law
school. She is 35 years old and has a master's degree in education.
She's been a school teacher for nearly 10 years. She has several
family members who are lawyers and has always felt law was in her
"blood," and she feels at times she is wasting her time in education.
To be frank, I get tired of her telling me all the time she wishes she
had gone to law school. :-) I've tried to convince her to go back,
but she's worried we could never afford it. I'm wondering how others
in similar situations got by?
We have no kids and we are about halfway through a 15 year mortgage.
The nearest law school is some 2 hours away so not only would her
going to school require her to quit her job, but I'd likely have to
put her up in an apartment during the school year. I make decent
enough money, but not enough where I can manage our mortgage by myself
after losing her yearly salary. So I guess the two issues are paying
tuition and getting by without her salary for 3 years. I'm sure
others have done it in far harder situations than ours, I'm just not
sure where to begin. Any advice?
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Bill S. <williss70@aol.com> wrote:
I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law
school. She is 35 years old and has a master's degree in education.
She's been a school teacher for nearly 10 years. She has several
family members who are lawyers and has always felt law was in her
"blood," and she feels at times she is wasting her time in education.
To be frank, I get tired of her telling me all the time she wishes she
had gone to law school. :-) I've tried to convince her to go back,
but she's worried we could never afford it. I'm wondering how others
in similar situations got by?
We have no kids and we are about halfway through a 15 year mortgage.
The nearest law school is some 2 hours away so not only would her
going to school require her to quit her job, but I'd likely have to
put her up in an apartment during the school year. I make decent
enough money, but not enough where I can manage our mortgage by myself
after losing her yearly salary. So I guess the two issues are paying
tuition and getting by without her salary for 3 years. I'm sure
others have done it in far harder situations than ours, I'm just not
sure where to begin. Any advice?
Prostitution, stripping and the pornographic film industry offer excellent wages for
part time work. They are ideal for the mature female student. How does she feel
about multiple partners?
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Going to law school is one thing, actually working and making a decent
living from it after schooling is another.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:20:19 -0800, Bill S. <williss70@aol.com> wrote:
I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law
school. She is 35 years old and has a master's degree in education.
She's been a school teacher for nearly 10 years. She has several
family members who are lawyers and has always felt law was in her
"blood," and she feels at times she is wasting her time in education.
To be frank, I get tired of her telling me all the time she wishes she
had gone to law school. :-) I've tried to convince her to go back,
but she's worried we could never afford it. I'm wondering how others
in similar situations got by?
We have no kids and we are about halfway through a 15 year mortgage.
The nearest law school is some 2 hours away so not only would her
going to school require her to quit her job, but I'd likely have to
put her up in an apartment during the school year. I make decent
enough money, but not enough where I can manage our mortgage by myself
after losing her yearly salary. So I guess the two issues are paying
tuition and getting by without her salary for 3 years. I'm sure
others have done it in far harder situations than ours, I'm just not
sure where to begin. Any advice?
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:20:19 -0800, Bill S <williss70@aol.com> wrote:
: I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law
: school.
ISTM from the below that your own lack of comfort with the prospect
needs some resolution...
: We have no kids and we are about halfway through a 15 year mortgage.
: The nearest law school is some 2 hours away so not only would her
: going to school require her to quit her job, but I'd likely have to
: put her up in an apartment during the school year. I make decent
: enough money, but not enough where I can manage our mortgage by myself
: after losing her yearly salary. So I guess the two issues are paying
: tuition and getting by without her salary for 3 years. I'm sure
: others have done it in far harder situations than ours, I'm just not
: sure where to begin. Any advice?
:
If she doesn't want to go, then really Bill, should you be trying to
convince her to go? It's 2.5-3 years out of her life. Some of it
will be a blast, but for success, it requires concentrated attention
at least through the first year and a half.
If she really wants to go then you two need to sit down and strategize how
to address the very real $$ and location concerns you've expressed
above.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:31:21 GMT, hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein)
wrote:
If she doesn't want to go, then really Bill, should you be trying to
convince her to go?
But she does want to go, it's all she talks about, she doesn't see how
we can afford it. I'm having trouble seeing it as well, but I know
there's got to be a way. I always read about the 40 year old mother
of two who goes back to school to become a lawyer while working part
time. Our situation is much easier than that. I'm thinking the
easiest thing to do would be to wait until the house is paid off in a
7 years and then take out a second mortgage, which could easily be
worth a couple hundred grand.
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I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law
school. She is 35 years old and has a master's degree in education.
She's been a school teacher for nearly 10 years. She has several
family members who are lawyers and has always felt law was in her
"blood," and she feels at times she is wasting her time in education.
To be frank, I get tired of her telling me all the time she wishes she
had gone to law school. :-) I've tried to convince her to go back,
but she's worried we could never afford it. I'm wondering how others
in similar situations got by?
We have no kids and we are about halfway through a 15 year mortgage.
The nearest law school is some 2 hours away so not only would her
going to school require her to quit her job, but I'd likely have to
put her up in an apartment during the school year. I make decent
enough money, but not enough where I can manage our mortgage by myself
after losing her yearly salary. So I guess the two issues are paying
tuition and getting by without her salary for 3 years. I'm sure
others have done it in far harder situations than ours, I'm just not
sure where to begin. Any advice?
I started law school at 37. I went at night. Night programs, also called
part time programs, take four year in my state, not three. I kept my
regular job during the day. If you can't get by on one salary, then part
time would be the way to go.
If the law school you referred to has no part time program, and your wife
would prefer a part time program, then you are not done investigating
schools. So you don't know yet what the comute would be. But if the
comute turns out to be two hours, one option is to move, so that each of you
comutes one hour. I understand that this would be inconvenient if her job
is in the opposite direction from school, but it's one of your options.
You're right, lots of people in my class succeeded in spite of financial
hardships. Including single moms. So you two can do it. And your wife
won't get very far with regrets over wasted years if it's me she's talking
to. Tell her for me that time is still marching on. And four years from
now she can be having regrets over still more wasted time, or she can be
celebrating having passed the bar exam.
McGyver
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Bill S. <williss70@aol.com> wrote in message news:<16ov00911fj88plqitls5gnirtu8bd8bce@4ax.com>...
But she does want to go, it's all she talks about, she doesn't see how
we can afford it. I'm having trouble seeing it as well, but I know
there's got to be a way.
Student loans are a possibility.
The big problem seemed to be that the nearest law school is two hours
away from where you live. One possibility, which you talked about
already, is for her to go to that law school and come home on
weekends. And she could do the same at some other law school which is
even more than two hours away, of course :-)
OR, a whole another possibility is for the two of you to relocate and
you could get a new job... You would have to sell the house, but you
could use the proceeds from the house sale to buy a new one :-)
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Why don't you just sell the house and move into a 1 BR apartment with
your wife : students along with their spouses are expected to live
frugally anyway. Waiting 7 years is not a financial solution.
Bill S. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:31:21 GMT, hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein)
wrote:
But she does want to go, it's all she talks about, she doesn't see how
we can afford it. I'm having trouble seeing it as well, but I know
there's got to be a way. I always read about the 40 year old mother
of two who goes back to school to become a lawyer while working part
time. Our situation is much easier than that. I'm thinking the
easiest thing to do would be to wait until the house is paid off in a
7 years and then take out a second mortgage, which could easily be
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Why don't you just sell the house and move into a 1 BR apartment with
your wife : students along with their spouses are expected to live
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But she does want to go, it's all she talks about, she doesn't see how
we can afford it. I'm having trouble seeing it as well, but I know
there's got to be a way. I always read about the 40 year old mother
of two who goes back to school to become a lawyer while working part
time. Our situation is much easier than that. I'm thinking the
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:42:28 -0800, Bill S <williss70@aol.com> wrote:
: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:31:21 GMT, hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein)
: wrote:
:
:
: >If she doesn't want to go, then really Bill, should you be trying to
: >convince her to go?
:
: But she does want to go, it's all she talks about, she doesn't see how
: we can afford it.
Oh my obviously quite a bit different than what I walked away with.
More hopeful too, notwithstanding some of my added comments below....
: I'm having trouble seeing it as well, but I know
: there's got to be a way. I always read about the 40 year old mother
: of two who goes back to school to become a lawyer while working part
: time. Our situation is much easier than that. I'm thinking the
: easiest thing to do would be to wait until the house is paid off in a
: 7 years and then take out a second mortgage, which could easily be
: worth a couple hundred grand.
In my class of about 60 there were a couple or 3 ladies that fit the
description above. Student loans, pre-law schoool savings, and
scholarship funds were the ticket. Consider hooking up with the
financial aid folks at the school of interest to see if they have
other things that might help you all out including school owned
subsidized housing, employment opportunities for you, her, or both of
you, and local loan and scholarship info.
Working one's way through law school is another option. It can be
done even in a full time program. Note that doing so in a full time
program probably violates a common rule at law schools that's claimed
to protect the student from loss of focus on the education but has a
side effect of throwing another barricade between a legal career and
those lacking $$.
I commend Thomas Anantharaman's followup to you. While harsh and
maybe even brutal in it's directness, it's important and realistic.
Count on sacrifices before, during, and after law school. Plan on you
being the sole breadwinner for some time even after the bar sends the
congratulations letter. FWIW I commend you to yourself too, for your
concern towards your wife's life desires.
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I started law school at 37. I went at night. Night programs, also called
part time programs, take four year in my state, not three. I kept my
regular job during the day. If you can't get by on one salary, then part
time would be the way to go.
If the law school you referred to has no part time program, and your wife
would prefer a part time program, then you are not done investigating
schools. So you don't know yet what the comute would be. But if the
comute turns out to be two hours, one option is to move, so that each of you
comutes one hour. I understand that this would be inconvenient if her job
is in the opposite direction from school, but it's one of your options.
You're right, lots of people in my class succeeded in spite of financial
hardships. Including single moms. So you two can do it. And your wife
won't get very far with regrets over wasted years if it's me she's talking
to. Tell her for me that time is still marching on. And four years from
now she can be having regrets over still more wasted time, or she can be
celebrating having passed the bar exam.
McGyver
Thanks for the advice from everyone, Thomas and Howard included.
There were some ideas that I hadn't thought of. Perhaps the reason I
hadn't brought up moving with her is that I work in a civil service
job that requires me to live within 45 minutes of the city I work for
(I know, another legal discussion altogether, it's been challenged in
the courts many times and we've lost). I hadn't thought about part
time programs either, I don't know whether any of the law schools in
our state offers them, I'll have to check. I know there are a few of
these part-time online law schools popping up in California, but I
understand graduates are limited to working in California and neither
of us wants to live there. Thanks for the helpful advice!
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:42:29 -0500, noevof@mail.ru wrote:
Bill S. <williss70@aol.com> wrote:
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Bill S. <williss70@aol.com> wrote:
I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law
school.
Why? So she can learn first hand how to @$#* you over in divorce court?
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Grizzlie Antagonist <grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<ag3810phe88k3d0dga62lrqtsp8abuq3tp@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:42:29 -0500, noevof@mail.ru wrote:
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:03:56 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
On 25 Jan 2004 21:19:57 GMT, hyerdahl1@aol.com (Hyerdahl1) wrote: Subject: Re: Trying to get my wife to go to law school From: Grizzlie Antagonist grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net Date: 1/25/2004 11:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: <ag3810phe88k3d0dga62lrqtsp8abuq3tp@4ax.com> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:42:29 -0500, noevof@mail.ru wrote: Bill S. <williss70@aol.com> wrote: I'm looking for some advice to help convince my wife to go to law school. Fuck her in spades and @$#* you, too. There are too many women in this profession already. I've seen a number of female attorneys, but never anyone that I would describe as a "smart girl in a short skirt".
of me once"
Did you tell her all about how women's suffrage had screwed up our
democracy?
Actually, I have met female attorneys that were remarkably
self-conscious.
Female attorneys are often very dumpy and/or very shrill. I would not
describe them, as a group, as particularly happy, and a large number
of them do indeed leave the profession altogether and/or scale back
their hours.
soc.men translation: "The only female attorneys I've seen have been
lusting my blood and my bank account over a little harrassment
"issue", so they weren't very nice to me."
It's not as glamorous as they were told it would be; it's a job like
any other. What glamor the profession once had has dissipated, and
one of the reason WHY it has dissipated is precisely because of the
large number of women in it.
soc.men translation: "I feel that my job removing trash and spraying
for roaches in the basement of my church is undervalued when we talk
about girl attorneys."
Women are landmarks of mediocrity.
That would make you a lamp post of utter failure.
Jade
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:44:06 GMT, Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> wrote
in <b4ga105co8tn1c8fu9uaju3vqv0i5cbjbi@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:03:56 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
soc.men translation:" A woman and her female lawyer sued the crap out
of me once"
*snarf*
better than that, Jade.
GA was a peon shark in a legal dept a few years ago and his boss, a
female shark, gave him his pink slip.
then he couldn't find a job for a long time, till the public
defender's office hired him on, now he works in "domestic violence
court"
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:40:53 -0500, Sharon B
<queenbeeyotch@buggeroff.org>, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:44:06 GMT, Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> wrote
in <b4ga105co8tn1c8fu9uaju3vqv0i5cbjbi@4ax.com>:
*snarf*
better than that, Jade.
Oh goody!
GA was a peon shark in a legal dept a few years ago and his boss, a
female shark, gave him his pink slip.
Hahahahahahahahahahah! So did his hatred for women cause his
humiliating sacking or did his humiliating sacking cause his hatred
for women? I bet he wonders that too.
then he couldn't find a job for a long time, till the public
defender's office hired him on, now he works in "domestic violence
court"
They should see some of his posts. They'd put him in charge of robe
cleaning and ink pad purchasing.
Jade
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Daedalus squeals:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:40:53 -0500, Sharon B
<queenbeeyotch@buggeroff.org>, wrote:
Oh goody!
Hahahahahahahahahahah! So did his hatred for women cause his
humiliating sacking or did his humiliating sacking cause his hatred
for women? I bet he wonders that too.
I'll place my bet on the former.
then he couldn't find a job for a long time, till the public
defender's office hired him on, now he works in "domestic violence
court"
They should see some of his posts. They'd put him in charge of robe
cleaning
Too risky. Potential for semen stains, you know.
and ink pad purchasing.
Well...
--
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http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/55797/
"The night before the [1965 Chopin] competition I said to myself, 'Well,
now, Martha, it is over for you. You have been a pianist but now you are
not. You cannot play, so what kind of a pianist are you? You know some
languages; you must start to earn your livelihood as a secretary.'"
-Martha Argerich
Michael Snyder proves with unquestionable evidence that I don't exist:
"To anyone who doesn't believe in encouraging trolls, I've discovered that
"Robert Buchanan" is a fake identity created only 3 weeks ago, and used
primarily for cross-post trolling between various newsgroups and the troll-
group alt.usenet.kooks. Easily verified by anyone who cares to."
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:44:06 GMT, Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:03:56 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
soc.men translation:" A woman and her female lawyer sued the crap out
of me once"
Did they? For what?
Did you tell her all about how women's suffrage had screwed up our
democracy?
If I did, it's not actionable, is it?
However, the woman in question
doesn't much care.
Actually, I have met female attorneys that were remarkably
self-conscious.
Female attorneys are often very dumpy and/or very shrill. I would not
describe them, as a group, as particularly happy, and a large number
of them do indeed leave the profession altogether and/or scale back
their hours.
soc.men translation: "The only female attorneys I've seen have been
lusting my blood and my bank account over a little harrassment
"issue", so they weren't very nice to me."
I was once a witness in a sexual harassment case, if that's what you
are getting at. I've never been the accused. Or the accuser.
My office is usually decorated top to bottom with baseball
paraphernalia. I joke that my idea of a thrill is a play at home
plate.
Since Thomas-Hill, over 12 years ago, I have NEVER talked with a
female employee in private - never never never. I'm too savvy to be
entrapped.
It's not as glamorous as they were told it would be; it's a job like
any other. What glamor the profession once had has dissipated, and
one of the reason WHY it has dissipated is precisely because of the
large number of women in it.
soc.men translation: "I feel that my job removing trash and spraying
for roaches in the basement of my church
I don't attend church. You're actually displaying some
religio-centric bias here, assuming that I would attend church.
I don't attend religious houses of worship at all. And if I followed
in the footsteps of my ancestors, I would be attending synagogue, not
church.
is undervalued when we talk
about girl attorneys."
This is not even remotely responsive to my point about how prosaic
the practice of law has become. I think you just set up a strawman to
knock down.
Women are landmarks of mediocrity.
That would make you a lamp post of utter failure.
Jade
How do you figure?
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"The Germans are like women; you can scarcely fathom their depths -- they haven't any." - Freidrich Nietzsche
"No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they
have never thought seriously about them. As children, imbeciles and criminals would be justly prevented from
taking any part in public affairs even if they were numerically equal or in the majority; woman must in the
same way be kept from having a share in anything which concerns the public welfare." -- Otto Weininger
"There is nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. It is a thing no married man knows anything about." - Oscar Wilde
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Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
Since Thomas-Hill, over 12 years ago, I have NEVER talked with a
female employee in private - never never never. I'm too savvy to be
entrapped.
Smart move
The Journal of Higher Education this week is running a multiple page
article with women whining that men are not including them. The "feel"
left out. Inbetween feeling "left out" the article describes a history
of phony SH complaints by the femroids. No @$#*ing wonder they are
"left out." No man is safe within 50 feet of any one of the #@&@
es
without witnesses and video tape.
No smart employer would employ a female if a man could be hired. They
just aren't worth the hassle and the financial risk.
is undervalued when we talk
about girl attorneys."
This is not even remotely responsive to my point about how prosaic
the practice of law has become. I think you just set up a strawman to
knock down.
There are far too many lieyers. The sex of a snarling dog isn't as
important as the snarl.
Bob
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:28:41 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:44:06 GMT, Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> wrote:
Did they? For what?
If I did, it's not actionable, is it?
I'm taking action right now and making fun of you.
However, the woman in question
doesn't much care.
Actually, I have met female attorneys that were remarkably
self-conscious.
Female attorneys are often very dumpy and/or very shrill. I would not
describe them, as a group, as particularly happy, and a large number
of them do indeed leave the profession altogether and/or scale back
their hours.
I was once a witness in a sexual harassment case, if that's what you
are getting at. I've never been the accused. Or the accuser.
I wasn't getting at anything, Mungo. I was making fun of you and the
soc.men. It's called humor.
My office is usually decorated top to bottom with baseball
paraphernalia. I joke that my idea of a thrill is a play at home
plate.
Since Thomas-Hill, over 12 years ago, I have NEVER talked with a
female employee in private - never never never. I'm too savvy to be
entrapped.
That kind of paranoia, when combined with the humorless dust blowing
around in your head, must make you the life of the office parties.
It's not as glamorous as they were told it would be; it's a job like
any other. What glamor the profession once had has dissipated, and
one of the reason WHY it has dissipated is precisely because of the
large number of women in it.
I don't attend church. You're actually displaying some
religio-centric bias here, assuming that I would attend church.
Tell you what, next time I'll just underline all the cynicism so you
can spare yourself and me the time it took you to psychoanalyze parody
and then post your findings.
The implication was that your local church would be the place
charitable enough to give you a job. If you've ever seen your average
church janitor/maintenance person you'd realize it was usually
benevolence that got them there.
I don't attend religious houses of worship at all. And if I followed
in the footsteps of my ancestors, I would be attending synagogue, not
church.
And your religious background was the first thing I pondered when I
awoke this morning. Thank you so much for sharing that part of you
with me.
This is not even remotely responsive to my point about how prosaic
the practice of law has become. I think you just set up a strawman to
knock down.
*groan* I think you need to download "personality v2" to your
harddrive, spock.
Women are landmarks of mediocrity.
How do you figure?
I'd be here for hours explaining it.
Jade
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n Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:16:03 GMT, Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:28:41 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
I'm taking action right now and making fun of you.
You don't know what "actionable" means, do you?
Do you really think that I could have been SUED for expressing the
opinion that women's suffrage should be repealed?
Well, it's not possible YET anyway.
However, the woman in question
doesn't much care.
Actually, I have met female attorneys that were remarkably
self-conscious.
Female attorneys are often very dumpy and/or very shrill. I would not
describe them, as a group, as particularly happy, and a large number
of them do indeed leave the profession altogether and/or scale back
their hours.
soc.men translation: "The only female attorneys I've seen have been
lusting my blood and my bank account over a little harrassment
"issue", so they weren't very nice to me."
I was once a witness in a sexual harassment case, if that's what you
are getting at. I've never been the accused. Or the accuser.
I wasn't getting at anything, Mungo. I was making fun of you and the
soc.men. It's called humor.
Oh? So you don't really believe what you said.
My office is usually decorated top to bottom with baseball
paraphernalia. I joke that my idea of a thrill is a play at home
plate.
Since Thomas-Hill, over 12 years ago, I have NEVER talked with a
female employee in private - never never never. I'm too savvy to be
entrapped.
That kind of paranoia, when combined with the humorless dust blowing
around in your head, must make you the life of the office parties.
Paranoia? And a man who won't marry the woman that he loves unless
she signs a prenup - is such a man also being "paranoid"?
Or is he just using common sense, given the environment that we live
in today?
It's not as glamorous as they were told it would be; it's a job like
any other. What glamor the profession once had has dissipated, and
one of the reason WHY it has dissipated is precisely because of the
large number of women in it.
soc.men translation: "I feel that my job removing trash and spraying
for roaches in the basement of my church
I don't attend church. You're actually displaying some
religio-centric bias here, assuming that I would attend church.
Tell you what, next time I'll just underline all the cynicism so you
can spare yourself and me the time it took you to psychoanalyze parody
and then post your findings.
The implication was that your local church would be the place
charitable enough to give you a job. If you've ever seen your average
church janitor/maintenance person you'd realize it was usually
benevolence that got them there.
Oh, so you don't really believe this, either.
I don't attend religious houses of worship at all. And if I followed
in the footsteps of my ancestors, I would be attending synagogue, not
church.
And your religious background was the first thing I pondered when I
awoke this morning.
It must have been high on the list of things that you thought of. You
were the one who raised the issue, however indirectly.
Thank you so much for sharing that part of you
with me.
The pleasure was all yours.
is undervalued when we talk
about girl attorneys."
This is not even remotely responsive to my point about how prosaic
the practice of law has become. I think you just set up a strawman to
knock down.
*groan* I think you need to download "personality v2" to your
harddrive, spock.
I'd be here for hours explaining it.
Jade
Aw, bless your heart, Jade.
So you don't REALLY think that I was ever sued for sexual harassment.
You don't REALLY think that I was ever sued for opposing women's
suffrage. You don't REALLY think that I go to a "church" and do
menial tasks in exchange for charitable contributions.
You don't REALLY think any of those things.
You were just having your little joke.
Well, now that you've made that clear, I'm patting you on the head and
assuring you that all is forgiven.
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"Ladies and gentlemen - let's have a round of applause for tonight's player of the game - AL-BERT-O CAS-S-S-S-S-S--S-S-TILLO!"
- P.A. announcer at Grizzlie Stadium, July 4, 2003
"The Germans are like women; you can scarcely fathom their depths -- they haven't any." - Freidrich Nietzsche
"No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they
have never thought seriously about them. As children, imbeciles and criminals would be justly prevented from
taking any part in public affairs even if they were numerically equal or in the majority; woman must in the
same way be kept from having a share in anything which concerns the public welfare." -- Otto Weininger
"There is nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. It is a thing no married man knows anything about."
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Kibo informs me that Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> stated that:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:03:56 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
soc.men translation: "The only female attorneys I've seen have been
lusting my blood and my bank account over a little harrassment
"issue", so they weren't very nice to me."
That sounds pretty likely to me. I've been involved with three female
lawyers (well, one was still a law-student at the time I met her), &
they were all quite attractive, with excellent figures & pleasant
voices. Of course I have the advantage of being a normal, heterosexual
man with reasonable looks & a functioning brain, so I'm not rendered
impotent by intelligent women who can argue well. I'm pretty sure that
this is a major factor behind the closeted soc.men types preference for
women who don't speak any English.
Women are landmarks of mediocrity.
That would make you a lamp post of utter failure.
Or a toxic waste-dump.
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Kibo informs me that Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net> stated that:
grizzlieantagonist@yahoo.com
[snip]
"There is nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. It is a thing no married man knows anything about." - Oscar Wilde
Uh, you know that Oscar Wilde was gay, don't you?
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n Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:16:36 GMT, Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net>, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:16:03 GMT, Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> wrote:
You don't know what "actionable" means, do you?
You don't know what "word play" means, do you?
Do you really think that I could have been SUED for expressing the
opinion that women's suffrage should be repealed?
Did I indicate that I did? You aren't firing on all cylinders today,
bozo. Usually you can at least keep up. Maybe you need a nap.
Well, it's not possible YET anyway.
However, the woman in question
doesn't much care.
Actually, I have met female attorneys that were remarkably
self-conscious.
Female attorneys are often very dumpy and/or very shrill. I would not
describe them, as a group, as particularly happy, and a large number
of them do indeed leave the profession altogether and/or scale back
their hours.
soc.men translation: "The only female attorneys I've seen have been
lusting my blood and my bank account over a little harrassment
"issue", so they weren't very nice to me."
I was once a witness in a sexual harassment case, if that's what you
are getting at. I've never been the accused. Or the accuser.
Oh? So you don't really believe what you said.
I believe you're an extremist whackjob. Everrything else on usenet is
basically fiction anyway.
My office is usually decorated top to bottom with baseball
paraphernalia. I joke that my idea of a thrill is a play at home
plate.
Since Thomas-Hill, over 12 years ago, I have NEVER talked with a
female employee in private - never never never. I'm too savvy to be
entrapped.
Paranoia? And a man who won't marry the woman that he loves unless
she signs a prenup - is such a man also being "paranoid"?
HAHAHA! The kook wants to debate the issues. That's rich.
Or is he just using common sense, given the environment that we live
in today?
Constant fear of litigation, real or not, is also known as paranoia.
It's not as glamorous as they were told it would be; it's a job like
any other. What glamor the profession once had has dissipated, and
one of the reason WHY it has dissipated is precisely because of the
large number of women in it.
soc.men translation: "I feel that my job removing trash and spraying
for roaches in the basement of my church
I don't attend church. You're actually displaying some
religio-centric bias here, assuming that I would attend church.
Oh, so you don't really believe this, either.
I believe your real first name is Grizzlie.
I don't attend religious houses of worship at all. And if I followed
in the footsteps of my ancestors, I would be attending synagogue, not
church.
It must have been high on the list of things that you thought of. You
were the one who raised the issue, however indirectly.
You've just raised the issue of the list of things I think of. That
must mean you are interested to know what I think of, since you raised
the issue.
Time for a quote:
*chuckle* - Sty King
The pleasure was all yours.
is undervalued when we talk
about girl attorneys."
This is not even remotely responsive to my point about how prosaic
the practice of law has become. I think you just set up a strawman to
knock down.
Aw, bless your heart, Jade.
So you don't REALLY think that I was ever sued for sexual harassment.
You said sexual harrassment, I did not.
You don't REALLY think that I was ever sued for opposing women's
suffrage.
You also said this. I did not. Your memory is a little shaggy here,
old timer.
You don't REALLY think that I go to a "church" and do
menial tasks in exchange for charitable contributions.
I did say this because it made me giggle.
You don't REALLY think any of those things.
You were just having your little joke.
Well, now that
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:16:11 +1100, Lionel <nop@alt.net> wrote:
Kibo informs me that Daedalus <jadeyb@my-deja.com> stated that:
That sounds pretty likely to me. I've been involved with three female
lawyers (well, one was still a law-student at the time I met her), &
they were all quite attractive, with excellent figures & pleasant
voices. Of course I have the advantage of being a normal, heterosexual
man with reasonable looks & a functioning brain, so I'm not rendered
impotent by intelligent women
By what?
who can argue well.
What sort of women are you rendered impotent by?
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grizzlieantagonist@yahoo.com
"Ladies and gentlemen - let's have a round of applause for tonight's player of the game - AL-BERT-O CAS-S-S-S-S-S--S-S-TILLO!"
- P.A. announcer at Grizzlie Stadium, July 4, 2003
"The Germans are like women; you can scarcely fathom their depths -- they haven't any." - Freidrich Nietzsche
"No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they
have never thought seriously about them. As children, imbeciles and criminals would be justly prevented from
taking any part in public affairs even if they were numerically equal or in the majority; woman must in the
same way be kept from having a share in anything which concerns the public welfare." -- Otto Weininger
"There is nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. It is a thing no married man knows anything about." - Oscar Wilde
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:19:39 +1100, Lionel <nop@alt.net> wrote:
Kibo informs me that Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net> stated that:
[snip]
Uh, you know that Oscar Wilde was gay, don't you?
He was also married to a woman.
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grizzlieantagonist@yahoo.com
"Ladies and gentlemen - let's have a round of applause for tonight's player of the game - AL-BERT-O CAS-S-S-S-S-S--S-S-TILLO!"
- P.A. announcer at Grizzlie Stadium, July 4, 2003
"The Germans are like women; you can scarcely fathom their depths -- they haven't any." - Freidrich Nietzsche
"No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they
have never thought seriously about them. As children, imbeciles and criminals would be justly prevented from
taking any part in public affairs even if they were numerically equal or in the majority; woman must in the
same way be kept from having a share in anything which concerns the public welfare." -- Otto Weininger
"There is nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. It is a thing no married man knows anything about." - Oscar Wilde
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Kibo informs me that Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net> stated that:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:16:11 +1100, Lionel <nop@alt.net> wrote:
By what?
Intelligent women. You know, the kind who cause 'men' like you to get
angry & emit "Ook! Ook!" noises. *Those* women.
who can argue well.
What sort of women are you rendered impotent by?
Ones who turn out to have major intimate hygiene problems, generally.
Fortunately, I've only encountered a few of them.
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Kibo informs me that Grizzlie Antagonist
<grizzlieantagonist@earthlink.net> stated that:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:19:39 +1100, Lionel <nop@alt.net> wrote:
He was also married to a woman.
Yes indeed - another point of similarity between him & you soc.men
mysogynists. It's not at all surprising that you sympathise with the
plight of a gay man, forced by society to pretend to be straight.
You know, you'd be able to let go of your bitterness towards women if
you'd just recognise that they're due to the fact that, in your eyes, no
woman can ever really divert your feelings towards other men.
HTH, & best of luck with your inner struggle.
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