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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-asecjudge29012904jan29,0,3815008.story?coll=orl-home-headlines
SANFORD -- Circuit Judge Gene Stephenson on Thursday publicly
apologized for insulting comments he made about a rape victim and
removed himself from the case.
"The remarks were inappropriate. It's something I've never done before
and won't do again," Stephenson said.
"I would just ask that she accept my apology. If she could find it in
her heart to accept it, I'd appreciate it," the judge said
During proceedings in the rape case Monday before the prosecutor and
defense attorney, Stephenson looked at a photograph of the battered
victim and said, "Why would he want to rape her? She doesn't look like
a day at the beach," according to a transcript reviewed by the Orlando
Sentinel.
The victim was not in the courtroom at the time.
Stephenson, 70, said he didn't remember making the comment, but he
acknowledged the transcript and said he thinks he probably did utter
those words.
The victim, a 57-year-old woman, was not present for the apology. On
Wednesday, she said she was shocked by the judge's remark.
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s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote in message news:<6bd12cd6.0401300842.44054205@posting.google.com>...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-asecjudge29012904jan29,0,3815008.story?coll=orl-home-headlines
SANFORD -- Circuit Judge Gene Stephenson on Thursday publicly
apologized for insulting comments he made about a rape victim and
removed himself from the case.
"The remarks were inappropriate. It's something I've never done before
and won't do again," Stephenson said.
"I would just ask that she accept my apology. If she could find it in
her heart to accept it, I'd appreciate it," the judge said
During proceedings in the rape case Monday before the prosecutor and
defense attorney, Stephenson looked at a photograph of the battered
victim and said, "Why would he want to rape her? She doesn't look like
a day at the beach," according to a transcript reviewed by the Orlando
Sentinel.
The victim was not in the courtroom at the time.
Well, so much for the very concept of judicial neutrality. If the
judge 'just believes the woman' how can the accused receive a fair
trial?
If we don't have an accuser and accused in court, what we do not have
is a fair trial.
Rich
Stephenson, 70, said he didn't remember making the comment, but he
acknowledged the transcript and said he thinks he probably did utter
those words.
The victim, a 57-year-old woman, was not present for the apology. On
Wednesday, she said she was shocked by the judge's remark.
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Rich wrote:
s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote in message news:<6bd12cd6.0401300842.44054205@posting.google.com>...
Well, so much for the very concept of judicial neutrality. If the
judge 'just believes the woman' how can the accused receive a fair
trial?
If we don't have an accuser and accused in court, what we do not have
is a fair trial.
Rich
We can't have the judge making a reasonable observation about a rape
case. That would be less likely to send men off to Auschwitz or Attica
or Fullsom. Better get rid of the honest judge.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
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s_knight8 wrote:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-asecjudge29012904jan29,0,3815008.story?coll=orl-home-headlines
SANFORD -- Circuit Judge Gene Stephenson on Thursday publicly
apologized for insulting comments he made about a rape victim and
removed himself from the case.
"The remarks were inappropriate. It's something I've never done before
and won't do again," Stephenson said.
"I would just ask that she accept my apology. If she could find it in
her heart to accept it, I'd appreciate it," the judge said
During proceedings in the rape case Monday before the prosecutor and
defense attorney, Stephenson looked at a photograph of the battered
victim and said, "Why would he want to rape her? She doesn't look like
a day at the beach," according to a transcript reviewed by the Orlando
Sentinel.
The victim was not in the courtroom at the time.
Stephenson, 70, said he didn't remember making the comment, but he
acknowledged the transcript and said he thinks he probably did utter
those words.
The victim, a 57-year-old woman, was not present for the apology. On
Wednesday, she said she was shocked by the judge's remark.
Whatever happened to "alledged"? The man hadn't been convicted yet.
Gms
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:48:20 -0500, Sarah Monroe
<gmspider@bellsouth.net> wrote:
s_knight8 wrote:
Whatever happened to "alledged"? The man hadn't been convicted yet.
Well no. It sounds as if the fact that she was a victim of a crime
was in no doubt. The trial was not to determine whether she was a
victim or not but to determine whether the accused was the
perpetrator.
Ann
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:06 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:48:20 -0500, Sarah Monroe
<gmspider@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Well no. It sounds as if the fact that she was a victim of a crime
was in no doubt. The trial was not to determine whether she was a
victim or not but to determine whether the accused was the
perpetrator.
Ann
Huh? He could be found innocent and she might have lied.
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:38:41 GMT, Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:06 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Huh? He could be found innocent and she might have lied.
If he was found innocent she is still a victim. Judging by the photos
that is. She was battered and there was evidence that she had been
assaulted.
In actual fact the report states:
"Stephenson made the comment Monday shortly before Brian Huffman, 27,
of Winter Park pleaded guilty to raping, kidnapping, beating and
robbing the victim at about midnight New Year's Eve 2002."
So when the report was written, the reporter knew that the accused had
already admitted guilt so there's no problem anyway.
Ann
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In article <mp3q109aei07agirsvid40fnf8bd9tkhd9@4ax.com>,
Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:06 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Huh? He could be found innocent and she might have lied.
Nice try:
"Stephenson made the comment Monday shortly before Brian Huffman,
27, of Winter Park pleaded guilty to raping, kidnapping, beating
and robbing the victim at about midnight New Year's Eve 2002."
BTW, it was the story (presumably written after he pleaded
guilty) that called (quite accurately) her a rape victim,
not the judge.
Next time, read the story before you shoot your mouth off.
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:04:42 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:38:41 GMT, Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote:
If he was found innocent she is still a victim. Judging by the photos
that is. She was battered and there was evidence that she had been
assaulted.
In actual fact the report states:
"Stephenson made the comment Monday shortly before Brian Huffman, 27,
of Winter Park pleaded guilty to raping, kidnapping, beating and
robbing the victim at about midnight New Year's Eve 2002."
So when the report was written, the reporter knew that the accused had
already admitted guilt so there's no problem anyway.
Ann
In the U.S. innocent men do plead guilty...I am not saying it happened
here but it happens.
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:04:51 GMT, Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:04:42 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
In the U.S. innocent men do plead guilty...I am not saying it happened
here but it happens.
Yes I know but as far as I'm concerned that's tough. If someone
pleads guilty then they are guilty in the eyes of the law and in my
eye too...
Ann
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s_knight8 wrote:
Whatever happened to "alledged"? The man hadn't been convicted yet.
Gms
Isn't this the one where the guy pled guilty?
td
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In article <bvj645$bhg@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <mp3q109aei07agirsvid40fnf8bd9tkhd9@4ax.com>,
Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote:
Huh? He could be found innocent and she might have lied.
Nice try:
"Stephenson made the comment Monday shortly before Brian Huffman,
27, of Winter Park pleaded guilty to raping, kidnapping, beating
and robbing the victim at about midnight New Year's Eve 2002."
BTW, it was the story (presumably written after he pleaded
guilty) that called (quite accurately) her a rape victim,
not the judge.
Next time, read the story before you shoot your mouth off.
If he did that, he wouldn't be the braindead dip#@($ soc."man"
we all know and hate.
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:20:31 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
[...]
In the U.S. innocent men do plead guilty...I am not saying it happened
here but it happens.
Yes I know but as far as I'm concerned that's tough. If someone
pleads guilty then they are guilty in the eyes of the law and in my
eye too...
So you believe that people are never pressured into making (or signing)
false confessions. How simple your world is.
The youths arrested for the New York jogger rape were not guilty, but
yet the police managed to get them to sign confessions. I guess in
your eyes they remain guilty.
Rich
Ann
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:06 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:48:20 -0500, Sarah Monroe
<gmspider@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Well no. It sounds as if the fact that she was a victim of a crime
was in no doubt. The trial was not to determine whether she was a
victim or not but to determine whether the accused was the
perpetrator.
How can one prove that a man committed a crime that has not been
shown to have been committed? Seems to me that you must prove that
a crime was committed, *and* that the accused committed it, if
you are to have a fair trial. I guess you simply believe the woman
so proof that a crime was committed is unnecessary, and proving
it a waste of time.
But in reality the courts and the legal system *start* by simply
believing the woman, the bias starts there and is found through
all the rest of the proceedings.
Rich
Ann
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Sky King wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:06 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Huh? He could be found innocent and she might have lied.
Exactly!
Gms
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:21:04 -0500, Sarah Monroe
<gmspider@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Sky King wrote:
Exactly!
Except he pleaded guilty......duh!
Ann
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Followups set. Add your group.
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:30:02 +0100 (CET) in talk.rape Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
<9a58431971528e546e56bd077e6198dd@dizum.com>...
In article <bvj645$bhg@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
Next time, read the story before you shoot your mouth off.
If he did that, he wouldn't be the braindead dip#@($ soc."man"
we all know and hate.
Says a dizum.com user.
I got a "could not connect to host" error when I tried to read the original
story. Perhaps the site was down at the time Sky tried to read it too.
--
Daran
2
20996011-1 is prime! <http://www.mersenne.org>
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:15:35 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:21:04 -0500, Sarah Monroe
<gmspider@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Except he pleaded guilty......duh!
Ann
The men in the Central Park Jogger case also pleaded guilty but it was
later discovered that they were innocent. All I am saying is that
innocent people do plead guilty for a variety of reasons.
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:46:04 GMT, Rich
<payner802@sbcglobal.someplace.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:20:31 +0000, Ann <me@privacy.net> wrote:
[...]
In the U.S. innocent men do plead guilty...I am not saying it happened
here but it happens.
So you believe that people are never pressured into making (or signing)
false confessions. How simple your world is.
The youths arrested for the New York jogger rape were not guilty, but
yet the police managed to get them to sign confessions. I guess in
your eyes they remain guilty.
Rich
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Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote in message news:<cs8q10175eit3uhaduauksbs4sg5l4l128@4ax.com>...
In the U.S. innocent men do plead guilty...I am not saying it happened
here but it happens.
More likely they plead no contest, or enter an Alvord (sp?) plea,
which is a stipulation that the prosecution has enough evidence to
convict, without admitting guilt.
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Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote in message news:<mp3q109aei07agirsvid40fnf8bd9tkhd9@4ax.com>...
Huh? He could be found innocent and she might have lied.
Whaddya mean, he could have been found innocent? What does that have
to do with the price of pineapples in Bangladesh - or the OP's
comments? The idea of the trial is to establish innocence or guilt,
get it? And that cannot be fairly ajudicated where the integrity or
impartiality of the person running the proceedings is suspect. This is
why judges with integrity recuse themselves from matters they feel
they may not be able to fairly preside over.
That he did this speaks to his integrity. That he made the comment to
begin with, and then had to have it documented through the court
reporter, speaks to the fact that he is getting quite forgetful and
likely senile at a relatively early age. I feel bad for the man.
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On 2 Feb 2004 17:21:25 -0800, CheneysHeartIs@deathsdoor.com (Bo Raxo)
wrote:
Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote in message news:<cs8q10175eit3uhaduauksbs4sg5l4l128@4ax.com>...
More likely they plead no contest, or enter an Alvord (sp?) plea,
which is a stipulation that the prosecution has enough evidence to
convict, without admitting guilt.
Same result.
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On 2 Feb 2004 17:21:25 -0800, CheneysHeartIs@deathsdoor.com (Bo Raxo)
wrote:
Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote in message news:<cs8q10175eit3uhaduauksbs4sg5l4l128@4ax.com>...
More likely they plead no contest, or enter an Alvord (sp?) plea,
which is a stipulation that the prosecution has enough evidence to
convict, without admitting guilt.
I forgot to add that the judge has to approve such a plea.
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