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http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73161217927648&Avis=VD&Dato=20040131&Kategori=LETTER&Lopenr=401310501&Ref=AR I am a former prosecutor and I teach "Perspectives in sexual violence" as a law professor in Boston. Pamela Mackey dropped what has been described as another bombshell in the courtroom during the last hearing. In response to an argument from a crisis center lawyer that the victim's records should remain confidential to encourage victims to report rape, Mackey urged the judge to disregard the center's position as "political." Mackey then added, without apparent reason, that there is a "political" history in this country of "white women falsely accusing black men of rape." If cultural mythology is the guide, this incendiary comment may strike a familiar chord. But the truth is, there is absolutely no data or study that suggests white women disproportionately falsely accuse black men (or for that matter, men of any race) of rape. To the contrary. False accusations of rape are rare and are no more common than false accusations of other types of crime. Some 80 to 90 percent of rapes occur between people of the same race, and white men commit more rapes than black men. There isn't even anecdotal evidence to support Mackey's claim. Which is not to say a white woman could never make a false accusation against a black man. The "Scottsboro boys" case is evidence that it can happen, but that was fifty years ago. More recent stories of false accusations against black men either do not involve rape (Susan Smith falsely accused an unknown black man of kidnapping her children) or were made by men (Charles Stuart falsely accused an innocent black man of killing his pregnant wife). It is also true that mistaken identity cases can lead to the wrongful prosecution of an innocent man (a black man was released from prison last week in Boston after new DNA tests established his innocence). But mistaken identity cases are not uniquely caused by "white women." Indeed, the Boston case was prosecuted on the mistaken identification of the male victim, a police officer. Mackey's comment nevertheless resonates with the public because it is rooted in real issues of racism and rape. When slave owners and racist Southerners were lynching black men, they needed an excuse for their barbarism so they falsely accused black men of lots of things - including rape. But these false allegations came from white men, not white women. The women rarely even made statements or had to testify because victims of lynching were not allowed trials or any form of due process. Perpetuating the myth that black men were running around raping white women served the interests of Southern racists because it made black men afraid to walk around free for fear they'd be falsely accused - and it kept white women from walking around free for fear they'd be attacked by scary black men. It also served to keep women and blacks from bonding around social justice issues and served instead to divide them - a problem that persists to this day and especially hurts the plight of black women who are doubly marginalized. It was incendiary, racist and sexist for Mackey to exploit and misstate this ugly history. That she did so while representing a black man charged with an act of gender-based violence is not only ironic but should be insulting to anyone who cares about racial and gender equality. No single person's liberty is worth the harm we all suffer when serious social prejudice is encouraged. Defense attorneys should face ethical sanctions for engaging in gratuitous exploitation of bigotry. Obviously, Mackey is playing the race card in an attempt to infect the Eagle County jury pool by making the local population not only angry at her (and thus angry at her client), but also angry in a racially-specific way. This could prove strategically advantageous to the defense. If folks in Eagle County react in the manner intended by Mackey, race prejudice and a strong dislike for the defense will be reflected in the results of Mackey's jury-polling surveys when she gathers data to support her change of venue motion. Nothing works better to compel a judge to change the venue than evidence that the local population shows race-based hatred toward a particular defendant. This defense strategy need not succeed. The good people of Eagle County have the power to resist this effort to paint them as racists. To do this, folks must remain vigilant in their commitment to judge Bryant fairly and they must make this clear to Mackey's pollsters when they call. The people of Eagle County have a presumptive right to sit in judgment of Kobe Bryant because the (alleged) crime happened in, and to a member of, their community. The defense does not want a fair trial in Eagle. They want the state to have an unfair trial in Denver. But this result is not inevitable and is not controlled by Pamela Mackey. The people of Eagle County are in charge of their destiny in this case. They can let themselves get whipped into a frenzy about race and hand the defense a change of venue victory - or they can stand tall and refuse to let the ugliness of prejudice undermine their commitment to fairness for both sides. Wendy J. Murphy Boston
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This defense strategy need not succeed. The good people of Eagle County have the power to resist this effort to paint them as racists. To do this, folks must remain vigilant in their commitment to judge Bryant fairly and they must make this clear to Mackey's pollsters when they call. The people of Eagle County have a presumptive right to sit in judgment of Kobe Bryant because the (alleged) crime happened in, and to a member of, their community. The defense does not want a fair trial in Eagle. They want the state to have an unfair trial in Denver. But this result is not inevitable and is not controlled by Pamela Mackey. The people of Eagle County are in charge of their destiny in this case. They can let themselves get whipped into a frenzy about race and hand the defense a change of venue victory - or they can stand tall and refuse to let the ugliness of prejudice undermine their commitment to fairness for both sides. Wendy J. Murphy Boston
Since when do the people of the county decide whether a change of venue is granted? Isn't that up to the judge? Gms
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On 1 Feb 2004 09:57:55 -0800, s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote:
To the contrary. False accusations of rape are rare and are no more common than false accusations of other types of crime. Some 80 to 90 percent of rapes occur between people of the same race, and white men commit more rapes than black men.
I spy lies!
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s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote in message news:<6bd12cd6.0402010957.1002cb65@posting.google.com>...
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73161217927648&Avis=VD&Dato=20040131&Kategori=LETTER&Lopenr=401310501&Ref=AR I am a former prosecutor and I teach "Perspectives in sexual violence" as a law professor in Boston. Pamela Mackey dropped what has been described as another bombshell in the courtroom during the last hearing. In response to an argument from a crisis center lawyer that the victim's records should remain confidential to encourage victims to report rape, Mackey urged the judge to disregard the center's position as "political." Mackey then added, without apparent reason, that there is a "political" history in this country of "white women falsely accusing black men of rape." If cultural mythology is the guide, this incendiary comment may strike a familiar chord. But the truth is, there is absolutely no data or study that suggests white women disproportionately falsely accuse black men (or for that matter, men of any race) of rape. To the contrary. False accusations of rape are rare and are no more common than false accusations of other types of crime. Some 80 to 90 percent of rapes occur between people of the same race, and white men commit more rapes than black men. There isn't even anecdotal evidence to support Mackey's claim. Which is not to say a white woman could never make a false accusation against a black man. The "Scottsboro boys" case is evidence that it can happen, but that was fifty years ago. More recent stories of false accusations against black men either do not involve rape (Susan Smith falsely accused an unknown black man of kidnapping her children) or were made by men (Charles Stuart falsely accused an innocent black man of killing his pregnant wife). It is also true that mistaken identity cases can lead to the wrongful prosecution of an innocent man (a black man was released from prison last week in Boston after new DNA tests established his innocence). But mistaken identity cases are not uniquely caused by "white women." Indeed, the Boston case was prosecuted on the mistaken identification of the male victim, a police officer. Mackey's comment nevertheless resonates with the public because it is rooted in real issues of racism and rape. When slave owners and racist Southerners were lynching black men, they needed an excuse for their barbarism so they falsely accused black men of lots of things - including rape. But these false allegations came from white men, not white women. The women rarely even made statements or had to testify because victims of lynching were not allowed trials or any form of due process. Perpetuating the myth that black men were running around raping white women served the interests of Southern racists because it made black men afraid to walk around free for fear they'd be falsely accused - and it kept white women from walking around free for fear they'd be attacked by scary black men. It also served to keep women and blacks from bonding around social justice issues and served instead to divide them - a problem that persists to this day and especially hurts the plight of black women who are doubly marginalized. It was incendiary, racist and sexist for Mackey to exploit and misstate this ugly history. That she did so while representing a black man charged with an act of gender-based violence is not only ironic but should be insulting to anyone who cares about racial and gender equality. No single person's liberty is worth the harm we all suffer when serious social prejudice is encouraged. Defense attorneys should face ethical sanctions for engaging in gratuitous exploitation of bigotry. Obviously, Mackey is playing the race card in an attempt to infect the Eagle County jury pool by making the local population not only angry at her (and thus angry at her client), but also angry in a racially-specific way. This could prove strategically advantageous to the defense. If folks in Eagle County react in the manner intended by Mackey, race prejudice and a strong dislike for the defense will be reflected in the results of Mackey's jury-polling surveys when she gathers data to support her change of venue motion. Nothing works better to compel a judge to change the venue than evidence that the local population shows race-based hatred toward a particular defendant. This defense strategy need not succeed. The good people of Eagle County have the power to resist this effort to paint them as racists. To do this, folks must remain vigilant in their commitment to judge Bryant fairly and they must make this clear to Mackey's pollsters when they call. The people of Eagle County have a presumptive right to sit in judgment of Kobe Bryant because the (alleged) crime happened in, and to a member of, their community. The defense does not want a fair trial in Eagle. They want the state to have an unfair trial in Denver. But this result is not inevitable and is not controlled by Pamela Mackey. The people of Eagle County are in charge of their destiny in this case. They can let themselves get whipped into a frenzy about race and hand the defense a change of venue victory - or they can stand tall and refuse to let the ugliness of prejudice undermine their commitment to fairness for both sides. Wendy J. Murphy Boston
It's not racial?, tell that to the alleged victim who bragged shortly afterwards at a party to her friends about the size of his penis. We all know about the perception of black men and their genitalia, the alleged victim chose to perpetuate that myth/fact by voicing her opinion to the public. The fact is a white woman would never brag about a white man's penis, although some of us are the exception, most white men just don't have penis's to brag about.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht news:6bd12cd6.0402010957.1002cb65@posting.google.com...
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I am a former prosecutor and I teach "Perspectives in sexual violence" as a law professor in Boston. Pamela Mackey dropped what has been described as another bombshell in the courtroom during the last hearing. In response to an argument from a crisis center lawyer that the victim's records should remain confidential to encourage victims to report rape, Mackey urged the judge to disregard the center's position as "political." Mackey then added, without apparent reason, that there is a "political" history in this country of "white women falsely accusing black men of rape."
She should have called her letter/article "There Is No Such Thing As A False Rape Charge". Now of professor Murphy would give a long, detailed account of the extent and nature of false rape accusations, I would at least respect her objectivity. But as she so clearly takes the victim's side, no matter what, I'll have to say - so what? This case is very thin, the way it was prosecuted was extremely zealous and one can ask the legitimate question: why? Alex
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht news:6bd12cd6.0402010957.1002cb65@posting.google.com...
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The defense does not want a fair trial in Eagle. They want the state to have an unfair trial in Denver. But this result is not inevitable and is not controlled by Pamela Mackey. The people of Eagle County are in charge of their destiny in this case. They can let themselves get whipped into a frenzy about race and hand the defense a change of venue victory - or they can stand tall and refuse to let the ugliness of prejudice undermine their commitment to fairness for both sides. Wendy J. Murphy
Pray tell, miss Murphy, why would a trial in Eagle be fair, but a trial in Denver be unfair? Why would a change of venue be a victory for the defense and a defeat for the prosecution? Is she insinuating that a less wholly white jury in Denver would be "unfair"? As she so clearly ties the venue of the jury with it's fairness, isn't she tacitly admitting that race _is_ an issue in this case? Or perhaps she believes that a black/hispanic jury will root for Kobe no matter what, but that a white jury will "look at the facts"? Like, she would probably argue, in the OJ case? Alex
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"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOF@wanadoo.nl> wrote
Pray tell, miss Murphy, why would a trial in Eagle be fair, but a trial in Denver be unfair?
The Colorado Constitution directs that trials are held where the offense happened, and the burden of proof re shifting to another venue is on the Defense.
Why would a change of venue be a victory for the defense and a defeat for the prosecution?
Because the Prosecution doesn't ask for such moves.
Is she insinuating that a less wholly white jury in Denver would be "unfair"?
Well, the Jewish community is far more powerful in Denver than in Eagle. There is a far greater chance of demonstrations by the local ADL over perceived Jew-Bashing in Denver than in Eagle.
As she so clearly ties the venue of the jury with it's fairness, isn't she tacitly admitting that race _is_ an issue in this case?
Well of course it's an issue. Do you think the Jewish community is unaware of the regard in which it is held by the African-American community?
Or perhaps she believes that a black/hispanic jury will root for Kobe no matter what, but that a white jury will "look at the facts"? Like, she would probably argue, in the OJ case?
OJ killed a couple of Jewish people also- are you saying that black/hispanic juries turn Jew-killers loose on the basis of racial/religious positions? Chas
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"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOF@wanadoo.nl> wrote The Colorado Constitution directs that trials are held where the offense happened, and the burden of proof re shifting to another venue is on the Defense. Because the Prosecution doesn't ask for such moves. Well, the Jewish community is far more powerful in Denver than in Eagle. There is a far greater chance of demonstrations by the local ADL over perceived Jew-Bashing in Denver than in Eagle. Well of course it's an issue. Do you think the Jewish community is unaware of the regard in which it is held by the African-American community? OJ killed a couple of Jewish people
Wow...in ALL published reports I've seen...the reports have pretty much been like this: "When, at 10 a.m. PST on October 3, Judge Ito's clerk read the jury's verdict of "Not Guilty," 91% of all persons viewing television were glued to the unfolding scene in the Los Angeles courtroom". also- are you saying that black/hispanic
juries turn Jew-killers loose on the basis of racial/religious positions? Chas
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"Raqui" <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote OJ killed a couple of Jewish people
Wow...in ALL published reports I've seen...the reports have pretty much
been
like this: "When, at 10 a.m. PST on October 3, Judge Ito's clerk read the jury's verdict of "Not Guilty," 91% of all persons viewing television were glued
to
the unfolding scene in the Los Angeles courtroom".
You must have missed the civil trial- all OJ got was an adjudication that his murders were unprovable to a criminal standard, not that he was innocent of them. Chas
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"Raqui" <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote OJ killed a couple of Jewish people been to You must have missed the civil trial- all OJ got was an adjudication that his murders were unprovable to a criminal standard, not that he was
innocent
of them.
Actually no I didn't...after seventeen hours of deliberation, the jury concluded--using the preponderance of the evidence test applicable in civil cases--that O. J. Simpson had wrongfully caused the death of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.
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"Raqui" <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote OJ killed a couple of Jewish people been to You must have missed the civil trial- all OJ got was an adjudication that his murders were unprovable to a criminal standard, not that he was
innocent
of them.
He was tried like anyone else suspected of committing a crime...he had his day(s) in court and was found not guilty. Get over it.
Chas
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