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Californians Can Vote While Cruising Mall
Wed Feb 4,10:05 AM ET
SANTA ANA, Calif. -- In between visits to the Gap, Cinnabon and
Victoria's Secret, why not choose a president?
Voting kiosks installed at six Orange County malls will allow
registered voters to cast ballots electronically while they shop.
Election workers at kiosks will check voters' signatures to make sure
they match signatures on registration forms, Rodermund said. He said
the voting process will be secure.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&ncid=703&e=7&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_el_ge/mall_voting
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So some clown (likely a teenager) at a mall kiosk is gonna check your
signature and that settles it. Does that sound secure to you??
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Californians Can Vote While Cruising Mall
Wed Feb 4,10:05 AM ET
SANTA ANA, Calif. -- In between visits to the Gap, Cinnabon and
Victoria's Secret, why not choose a president?
Voting kiosks installed at six Orange County malls will allow
registered voters to cast ballots electronically while they shop.
Election workers at kiosks will check voters' signatures to make sure
they match signatures on registration forms, Rodermund said. He said
the voting process will be secure.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&ncid=703&e=7&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_el_ge/mall_voting
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So some clown (likely a teenager) at a mall kiosk is gonna check your
signature and that settles it. Does that sound secure to you??
No... not at all... why would the heavily democratic legislature in CA
support it do you think? Think they are trying to 'cheat?'
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:27:06 GMT, "John" <John@nospam.com> wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&ncid=703&e=7&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_el_ge/mall_voting
No... not at all... why would the heavily democratic legislature in CA
support it do you think? Think they are trying to 'cheat?'
The repugs are behind this. As 2000 proved, they are the vote-stealing
champs.
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:27:06 GMT, "John" <John@nospam.com> wrote:
The repugs are behind this. As 2000 proved, they are the vote-stealing
champs.
BS. In California, the Dems (and ACLU) are behind it. Nationally,
who knows?
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"John" <John@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<_osUb.6406$EH5.910@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
No... not at all... why would the heavily democratic legislature in CA
support it do you think? Think they are trying to 'cheat?'
Who wrote anything whatsoever about the Legislature supporting it?
This is a program of the (heavily Republican) Orange County Registrar of Voters.
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Chris Green
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"John" <John@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<_osUb.6406$EH5.910@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
No... not at all... why would the heavily democratic legislature in CA
support it do you think? Think they are trying to 'cheat?'
Who wrote anything whatsoever about the Legislature supporting it?
This is a program of the (heavily Republican) Orange County Registrar of
Voters.
If I were you democrats and really believed in this massive conspiracy I
wouldn't allow funding for it. Course, the real truth is democrats are about
3 times more likely to commit real vote fraud (based on history and
especially in *some* big city precincts - not to mention Indian
reservations).
Here's one of your pals they just let go... the one caught red-handed in the
2002 Senate race in South Dakota filling out phony absentee ballots from
Indian reservations. 277 people claimed she had forged their signatures in
the original story (see link below).
Good thing too.... the dems only won that race by a few hundred votes at the
last minute. I have no idea how she got off since they caught her in the act
according to the original story:
January 28, 2004
Voter Fraud Charges Dropped Vs. S.D. Woman
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - Charges were dropped Wednesday against a woman
hired to register voters in 2002 after the state's own handwriting expert
said she didn't forge the documents.
Chief Deputy Attorney General Mark Barnett said the expert found that people
who testified that their voter registration cards were forged actually did
sign them.
"We are at a loss how the expert witness could be so diametrically opposed
to what these people swore to," Barnett said.
A judge dropped the charges against Rebecca Red Earth-Villeda, who was
scheduled to stand trial Feb. 9 for eight counts of forgery.
The state Democratic Party hired Red Earth-Villeda as an independent
contractor in 2002 but fired her after a county auditor alerted the party
that forged signatures were appearing on absentee ballot applications.
..................................
Now here's the other side:
Get ready for another Senate election scandal
February 4, 2004
Brian York
http://www.hillnews.com/york/020404.aspx
There are still nine months to go before the South Dakota Senate election
between Minority Leader Tom Daschle and his Republican challenger, former
Rep. John Thune.
The campaign hasn't really started yet, but you might as well get ready now
for the post-election investigation into voting irregularities. It's a sure
thing.
And while you're at it, you might as well prepare for a murky end to that
investigation. There might be clear evidence of wrongdoing, but no one will
be found guilty of doing anything wrong. And then it will be on to the next
election.
Last week, we saw the latest murky ending to the last South Dakota election
scandal, the race in which Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson beat Thune by 524
votes.
You may remember that a woman named Becky Red Earth-Villeda, also known as
Maka Duta, was accused of forging names on voter-registration applications.
The state Democratic party paid Red Earth-Villeda $2 for every new
application, which she gathered on the state's Indian reservations. It's not
clear how many she signed up, but Red Earth-Villeda was paid $12,867 for her
work in the summer of 2002.
A number of the signatures were apparently phony. After the election,
investigators interviewed 381 people who had been recruited by Red
Earth-Villeda and found that the great majority of them, 277 in all, said
their signatures had been forged.
Prosecutors winnowed that number down to the strongest cases, and in
December 2002 charged Red Earth-Villeda with 19 counts of forgery.
But when law-enforcement officers tried to serve subpoenas to residents of
the reservation where Red Earth-Villeda had done her work, they were stopped
by officials of the Crow Creek tribe.
The charges were dropped, and after a lot of legal wrangling, the tribe
allowed some subpoenas, and Red Earth-Villeda was recharged, this time with
eight counts of forgery.
Last week, the case fell apart - again.
The reason? Even though the people whose "signatures" were on the
registration applications in question have sworn under oath that they did
not sign the documents, the handwriting expert hired by the prosecution now
says the applications were not forged.
Prosecutors say they are baffled. "In 25 years, I've never seen anything
like this," state Deputy Attorney General Mark Barnett said after the
decision. "We are at a loss how the expert witness could be so diametrically
opposed to what these people swore to."
The expert witness's judgment was made not in open court but rather before
trial, which had been scheduled for next week. Barnett would not tell
reporters who the expert witness was.
It's not the first frustrating result from the Johnson-Thune race.
After the election, dozens of South Dakotans signed affidavits describing
how Democratic poll workers - mostly attorneys brought in by the party from
out of state - engaged in illegal electioneering, intimidated poll workers
and coached voters.
People were allowed to vote with no identification. Incorrectly marked
ballots were counted as Democratic votes.
The Democratic lawyers even set up get-out-the-vote offices in the middle of
polling places. Witnesses swore they saw some of the lawyers handing wads of
cash to the van drivers who then went out trolling for Democratic voters.
Three people signed affidavits swearing that "Tim Johnson for Senate" van
drivers offered them $10 to vote.
It all came to nothing. Officials declined to prosecute any of the
well-documented polling-place abuses, and of the three people who said they
were offered money to vote, one later said he lied about it, another said
his signature on the affidavit was forged and the third couldn't be found.
So in the end, it was all murky, just like the case of Becky Red
Earth-Villeda and the forged - or not forged - voter-registration
applications.
It seems unlikely that the Daschle-Thune race, whoever wins, will be as
close as the Johnson-Thune contest. But it seems very likely that the race
will be marred by the same type of voter irregularities that occurred in
2002.
For their part, Republicans should have learned a valuable lesson from that
race. And the lesson is: Cheating works.
Bring in lots of lawyers from Washington, New York and Los Angeles.
Intimidate the honest, well-meaning elderly ladies who work at the polling
places. Observe the rules governing polling-place behavior when those rules
work in your favor. Break them when they don't. If your candidate wins,
ignore the inevitable charges of misconduct from the
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Christopher Green wrote:
"John" <John@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<_osUb.6406$EH5.910@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
Who wrote anything whatsoever about the Legislature supporting it?
This is a program of the (heavily Republican) Orange County Registrar of Voters.
You know, I missed that the first time. The system in Los Angeles
County is open to fraud, as Diebold has changed the software since
the last official release. Orange County has a different contractor.
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"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:<40227FD7.49C09111@sprintmail.com>...
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
BS. In California, the Dems (and ACLU) are behind it. Nationally,
who knows?
Since the nonpartisan (but serving a heavily Republican county) Orange
County Registrar of Voters is the one who is really behind it, I'll
wait and see how well it works in practice. The machines went into the
field this week here.
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Chris Green
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:39:35 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
BS. In California, the Dems (and ACLU) are behind it. Nationally,
who knows?
I bet that's changed now that arnold the porn-star is gov. He's gonna
man these kiosks with rw haters like himself with orders to turn away
anyone that looks democrat.
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On 4 Feb 2004 22:36:21 -0800, xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered
her boy friend)
Californians Can Vote While Cruising Mall
Wed Feb 4,10:05 AM ET
SANTA ANA, Calif. -- In between visits to the Gap, Cinnabon and
Victoria's Secret, why not choose a president?
Voting kiosks installed at six Orange County malls will allow
registered voters to cast ballots electronically while they shop.
Election workers at kiosks will check voters' signatures to make sure
they match signatures on registration forms, Rodermund said. He said
the voting process will be secure.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&ncid=703&e=7&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_el_ge/mall_voting
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So some clown (likely a teenager) at a mall kiosk is gonna check your
signature and that settles it. Does that sound secure to you??
I voted in a mall in 2000 and the "clowns" there weren't any different
than the "clowns" I've seen at polls in public schools.
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