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richard wrote:
LOL.
Peter J Ross is your god?
You truly are sad.
If anyone flushed that dude's life down anything, it was he himself.
If he's a counterfeiter he's in trouble, if he's not, he isn't in trouble.
That's how this works.
You dumb piece of #@($, even *possessing* counterfeit money is a crime.
Haven't you ever seen that re-run of 'All In The Family' where this happens
to Edith Bunker? It wasn't fun in the 1970s and it sure as hell isn't fun
30 years later. The only difference between
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lexander Cain wrote:
You dumb piece of #@($
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P Seldom wrote:
Alexander Cain wrote:
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Alexander Cain wrote:
You dumb piece of #@($, even *possessing* counterfeit money is a crime.
Cite?
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:06:02 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Alexander Cain wrote:
Cite?
Title 18, Part I, Chapter 25 (Counterfeiting and Forgery) of the U.S.
Code.
One of many examples:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txs/releases/June2003/030625-moreno.htm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
June 25, 2003
Kesha Handy
P. O. Box 61129 Houston, TX 77208
Phone: 713/567-9335 Fax: 713/718-3390
E-Mail: usatty.txs@usdoj.gov
PAROLED INMATE INDICTED FOR POSSESSION OF COUNTERFEIT MONEY & FIREARM
CONTACT: Mike Schultz; Assistant U. S. Attorney
Phone: 713/567-9390
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Alexander Cain wrote:
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In article <402939AA.177A86E7@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Alexander Cain wrote:
Cite?
18 USC Section 472
Uttering counterfeit obligations or securities
Whoever, with intent to defraud, passes, utters, publishes, or
sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or with like
intent brings into the United States or keeps in possession or
conceals any falsely made, forged, counterfeited, or altered
obligation or other security of the United States, shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
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BTR1701 wrote:
In article <402939AA.177A86E7@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
18 USC Section 472
Uttering counterfeit obligations or securities
Whoever, with intent to defraud, passes, utters, publishes, or
sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or with like
intent brings into the United States or keeps in possession or
conceals any falsely made, forged, counterfeited, or altered
obligation or other security of the United States, shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
The two "with ... intent" clauses seem to apply to all those
provisions.
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In article <40296A1B.FE0D6B26@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:
The two "with ... intent" clauses seem to apply to all those
provisions.
I never claimed otherwise.
The claim was that possession of counterfeit FRNs is a crime.
You asked for a cite.
I gave you one.
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BTR1701 wrote:
In article <40296A1B.FE0D6B26@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
I never claimed otherwise.
The claim was that possession of counterfeit FRNs is a crime.
You asked for a cite.
I gave you one.
So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
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In article <40298951.5F02761@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:
So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
What would you possibly be studying? The vast majority of counterfeit is
just scanned off a computer or copied with a Xerox machine. What is
there to study that you couldn't find out from "studying" a copy or scan
of anything else?
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BTR1701 wrote:
In article <40298951.5F02761@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
What would you possibly be studying? The vast majority of counterfeit is
just scanned off a computer or copied with a Xerox machine. What is
there to study that you couldn't find out from "studying" a copy or scan
of anything else?
I'm sure I could think of something. Besides -- the government would
have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I didn't have another
purpose.
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On 2004-02-11, Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:
So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
I'm sure I could think of something. Besides -- the government would
have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I didn't have another
purpose.
Buying pizza like that spankard's customer doesn't count.
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:
So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
I'm sure I could think of something. Besides -- the government would
have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I didn't have another
purpose.
Easy enough to do, considering you didn't keep it to study, but you
"passed it" to a pizza delivery driver in exchange for food.
Rusty
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their babies are born profoundly deformed, all their love partnerships
end in acrimonious splits, their friends commit suicide, they're wrongly
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they're forced to go live under a bridge, they have to watch all their
children die before they do, and they catch painful and uncomfortable
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In article <402995A3.ADA0F922@sprintmail.com>, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:
So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
I'm sure I could think of something. Besides -- the government would
have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I didn't have another
purpose.
Well, if you wanted to put forth that "something" you thought of, you'd
have to give up your right to remain silent and take the stand in your
own defense, which would then open you up to cross-examination by a
skilled US Attorney, all of whom have a well-deserved reputation for
exposing bull#@($ to the light of day.
With 20 years of my life at stake, it's not the sort of game of chicken
I'd be likely to play.
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I P Seldom wrote:
Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
Easy enough to do, considering you didn't keep it to study, but you
"passed it" to a pizza delivery driver in exchange for food.
I didn't read the thread before it appeared on misc.legal. In
the original context, you are right in that you "passed it" to
the pizza delivery driver.
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Attention, this signature will continue to expand, as I find more
interesting things to include.
If you do not like long signatures, and think there's a limit to how
long they should be, you are an idiot.
Actually -- there SHOULD be a limit on the length of signatures;
YOU are an idiot, and many ISPs would disable your posting solely
because of the long signatures.
Apparently MediaCom is not among them.
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So -- possession WITH INTENT TO defraud, pass, utter, publish, or
sell is illegal. Possession for study is not, at least under
the quoted section.
Paying for one's pizza with a phony bill isn't likely part of a doctoral
thesis.
Steve
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I P Seldom wrote:
I didn't read the thread before it appeared on misc.legal. In
the original context, you are right in that you "passed it" to
the pizza delivery driver.
Yea, give the pizza boy a counterfeit bill then call the police and tell
them he's passing off counterfeits as change. WHAT FUN!
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In article <ac2dnQR_Hc0LJLfdRVn-hg@comcast.com>, "Steve Furbish"
<sfurbish@hotpop.com> wrote:
Paying for one's pizza with a phony bill isn't likely part of a doctoral
thesis.
LOL! Well said.
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
I P Seldom wrote:
I didn't read the thread before it appeared on misc.legal. In
the original context, you are right in that you "passed it" to
the pizza delivery driver.
Actually -- there SHOULD be a limit on the length of signatures;
YOU are an idiot, and many ISPs would disable your posting solely
because of the long signatures.
Apparently MediaCom is not among them.
Spoken like a true dumbass.
Rusty
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Attention, this signature will continue to expand, as I find more
interesting things to include.
If you do not like long signatures, and think there's a limit to how
long they should be, you are an idiot.
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is mearly energy
condensed through a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness
experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream and we are the
imaginations of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather. - Bill Hicks.
Adam Richards, in alt.marketing.online.ebay, on those who sell spam mass
mailer software: I hope they die horribly, but before that, I hope all
their babies are born profoundly deformed, all their love partnerships
end in acrimonious splits, their friends commit suicide, they're wrongly
arrested and raped senseless in prison, their homes are reposessed and
they're forced to go live under a bridge, they have to watch all their
children die before they do, and they catch painful and uncomfortable
venereal diseases, get persistent malignant cancers and HIV.
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