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I may be under investigation for misdemeanor indecent exposure and am
looking for a consultation. I will provide the details here.
(note that this is in California)
Last Thursday, Feb 5, at approx 3:30 pm, I was driving with my
convertable top down. I am a herpes sufferer, and had an outbreak
about a month ago. For me, these events often come in twos, so after
an outbreak heals I am always on the lookout for signs of a follow-up
event.
As you could imagine, this isn't the most plesant thing in the world
to live with. During and after an outbreak I have a lot of anxiety
and when I think one is coming (there are advance warnings such as
tingling and itching) I tend to be in 'panic mode' and often check
myself to see if a new outbreak has started.
Anyway, while I was driving I felt a strong tingle/itch in my genitals
and feared the worst. I was driving on a sidestreet and pulled over
to examine myself. Of course, I first made sure there was no one on
the sidewalk that might see and noted a total absence of any
pedestrian traffic. I also looked to the side at the house that was
closest to me and saw that the curtains were closed. Confident that
no one would see, I removed my genitals and looked carefully for any
signs of an outbreak.
After I found nothing and calmed myself down (this was no more than a
few minutes), I drove away and went home.
A few hours later, 3 police officers came to my door and questioned
me. This is the first time I had ever been approached by the police
for anything other than a traffic ticket. They explained that someone
saw me pull over and do 'something' I should not have been doing (I
assume whoever saw me thought I was masturbating). The officer also
told me that the witness took pictures. However, since the witness
clearly saw my license plate and called police, I have to assume they
were somewhat behind me and had an obstructed view of what was
actually occuring.
Of course, I fully understand why someone would think what was
reported, but I explained to the officers what had happened. They
asked if I had proof of my affliction, and I told them that I did not
but that I could probably get it from the clinic where I was
diagnosed. I also offered to show them my perscription medication but
they said it was unecessary.
After listening to what I had to say, they said I might be contacted.
Nothing further was guaranteed, but I might receive a letter from the
DA or, more likely, I would be contacted by a detective.
It is now Tuesday at 6pm and I have yet to be contacted.
What should I do? Of course I have images in my head of someone
knocking at my door unexpectedly and arresting me!
I have called a lawyer I found on the net and he suggests I pay $3,000
for them to do a prefiling moition, or something like that, which
might get the whole matter 'fixed' before I am even charged.
Is this worth it? Should I do it?
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Harry <no@spamming.com> wrote:
I may be under investigation for misdemeanor indecent exposure and am
looking for a consultation. I will provide the details here.
(note that this is in California)
Last Thursday, Feb 5, at approx 3:30 pm, I was driving with my
convertable top down. I am a herpes sufferer, and had an outbreak
about a month ago. For me, these events often come in twos, so after
an outbreak heals I am always on the lookout for signs of a follow-up
event.
As you could imagine, this isn't the most plesant thing in the world
to live with. During and after an outbreak I have a lot of anxiety
and when I think one is coming (there are advance warnings such as
tingling and itching) I tend to be in 'panic mode' and often check
myself to see if a new outbreak has started.
Anyway, while I was driving I felt a strong tingle/itch in my genitals
and feared the worst. I was driving on a sidestreet and pulled over
to examine myself. Of course, I first made sure there was no one on
the sidewalk that might see and noted a total absence of any
pedestrian traffic. I also looked to the side at the house that was
closest to me and saw that the curtains were closed. Confident that
no one would see, I removed my genitals and looked carefully for any
signs of an outbreak.
After I found nothing and calmed myself down (this was no more than a
few minutes), I drove away and went home.
A few hours later, 3 police officers came to my door and questioned
me. This is the first time I had ever been approached by the police
for anything other than a traffic ticket. They explained that someone
saw me pull over and do 'something' I should not have been doing (I
assume whoever saw me thought I was masturbating). The officer also
told me that the witness took pictures. However, since the witness
clearly saw my license plate and called police, I have to assume they
were somewhat behind me and had an obstructed view of what was
actually occuring.
Of course, I fully understand why someone would think what was
reported, but I explained to the officers what had happened. They
asked if I had proof of my affliction, and I told them that I did not
but that I could probably get it from the clinic where I was
diagnosed. I also offered to show them my perscription medication but
they said it was unecessary.
After listening to what I had to say, they said I might be contacted.
Nothing further was guaranteed, but I might receive a letter from the
DA or, more likely, I would be contacted by a detective.
It is now Tuesday at 6pm and I have yet to be contacted.
What should I do? Of course I have images in my head of someone
knocking at my door unexpectedly and arresting me!
I have called a lawyer I found on the net and he suggests I pay $3,000
for them to do a prefiling moition, or something like that, which
might get the whole matter 'fixed' before I am even charged.
Is this worth it? Should I do it?
How big is your cock? Will you sell the pictures on the internet?
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I may be under investigation for misdemeanor indecent exposure and am
looking for a consultation. I will provide the details here.
(note that this is in California)
Last Thursday, Feb 5, at approx 3:30 pm, I was driving with my
convertable top down. I am a herpes sufferer, and had an outbreak
about a month ago. For me, these events often come in twos, so after
an outbreak heals I am always on the lookout for signs of a follow-up
event.
Why?
As you could imagine, this isn't the most plesant thing in the world
to live with. During and after an outbreak I have a lot of anxiety
and when I think one is coming (there are advance warnings such as
tingling and itching) I tend to be in 'panic mode' and often check
myself to see if a new outbreak has started.
Why? What difference does it make, checking doesn't prevent anything.
Anyway, while I was driving I felt a strong tingle/itch in my genitals
and feared the worst.
Guess you discovered that there are "worse" things in life, eh?
I was driving on a sidestreet and pulled over
to examine myself.
Why? ... you pervert. What good does it do tp me so neurotic
about it?
Of course, I first made sure there was no one on
the sidewalk that might see
Sure you did your perv.
and noted a total absence of any
pedestrian traffic. I also looked to the side at the house that was
closest to me and saw that the curtains were closed. Confident that
no one would see, I removed my genitals
Owwwww! Geeezus H Christ !!! You masochistic freak.
and looked carefully for any
signs of an outbreak.
Why are you such a hysterical neurotic nitwit?
After I found nothing and calmed myself down (this was no more than a
few minutes), I drove away and went home.
A few hours later, 3 police officers came to my door and questioned
me. This is the first time I had ever been approached by the police
for anything other than a traffic ticket. They explained that someone
saw me pull over and do 'something' I should not have been doing (I
assume whoever saw me thought I was masturbating).
Why would they assume that you @$#*ing pervert?
The officer also
told me that the witness took pictures. However, since the witness
clearly saw my license plate and called police, I have to assume they
were somewhat behind me and had an obstructed view of what was
actually occuring.
You're lying again you perv.
Of course, I fully understand why someone would think what was
reported, but I explained to the officers what had happened. They
asked if I had proof of my affliction, and I told them that I did not
but that I could probably get it from the clinic where I was
diagnosed. I also offered to show them my perscription medication but
they said it was unecessary.
After listening to what I had to say, they said I might be contacted.
Nothing further was guaranteed, but I might receive a letter from the
DA or, more likely, I would be contacted by a detective.
It is now Tuesday at 6pm and I have yet to be contacted.
What should I do?
Remove your genitals again ... permanently!
Of course I have images in my head of someone
knocking at my door unexpectedly and arresting me!
I have called a lawyer I found on the net and he suggests I pay $3,000
for them to do a prefiling moition, or something like that, which
might get the whole matter 'fixed' before I am even charged.
Is this worth it?
You tell us, creep.
Should I do it?
Check your genitals again perv, they're tingling ....
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I may be under investigation for misdemeanor indecent exposure and am
looking for a consultation. I will provide the details here.
(note that this is in California)
Last Thursday, Feb 5, at approx 3:30 pm, I was driving with my
convertable top down. I am a herpes sufferer, and had an outbreak
about a month ago. For me, these events often come in twos, so after
an outbreak heals I am always on the lookout for signs of a follow-up
event.
As you could imagine, this isn't the most plesant thing in the world
to live with. During and after an outbreak I have a lot of anxiety
and when I think one is coming (there are advance warnings such as
tingling and itching) I tend to be in 'panic mode' and often check
myself to see if a new outbreak has started.
Anyway, while I was driving I felt a strong tingle/itch in my genitals
and feared the worst. I was driving on a sidestreet and pulled over
to examine myself. Of course, I first made sure there was no one on
the sidewalk that might see and noted a total absence of any
pedestrian traffic. I also looked to the side at the house that was
closest to me and saw that the curtains were closed. Confident that
no one would see, I removed my genitals and looked carefully for any
signs of an outbreak.
After I found nothing and calmed myself down (this was no more than a
few minutes), I drove away and went home.
A few hours later, 3 police officers came to my door and questioned
me. This is the first time I had ever been approached by the police
for anything other than a traffic ticket. They explained that someone
saw me pull over and do 'something' I should not have been doing (I
assume whoever saw me thought I was masturbating). The officer also
told me that the witness took pictures. However, since the witness
clearly saw my license plate and called police, I have to assume they
were somewhat behind me and had an obstructed view of what was
actually occuring.
Of course, I fully understand why someone would think what was
reported, but I explained to the officers what had happened. They
asked if I had proof of my affliction, and I told them that I did not
but that I could probably get it from the clinic where I was
diagnosed. I also offered to show them my perscription medication but
they said it was unecessary.
After listening to what I had to say, they said I might be contacted.
Nothing further was guaranteed, but I might receive a letter from the
DA or, more likely, I would be contacted by a detective.
It is now Tuesday at 6pm and I have yet to be contacted.
What should I do? Of course I have images in my head of someone
knocking at my door unexpectedly and arresting me!
I have called a lawyer I found on the net and he suggests I pay $3,000
for them to do a prefiling moition, or something like that, which
might get the whole matter 'fixed' before I am even charged.
Is this worth it? Should I do it?
I don't know if what you did is a crime. I am not a criminal law attorney,
so I won't speculate on that. But if what you did is a crime, I don't
believe that your incentive to do it will be any defense. So you told the
police all about it, including your confession of the crime, along with your
story about innocent intentions. If they didn't have enough evidence
before, they do now. (Or they will if you repeat the confession after being
read your rights.) Apparently you didn't learn the lessons Perry Mason
taught.
So what to do. Wait for the charges. If there are charges, hire a defense
attorney. If there are no charges, learn three lessons: One: a compulsion
to examine yourself in public is not a defense to a charge of indecent
exposure. Two: Don't confess. Three: Don't post your confession on the
internet.
McGyver
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Vox, after yellowstone blows and the poleshift occurs, I am SERIOUSLY going
to enjoy hunting you down and making you scream like a little girl. Should
take about 48 hours of you screaming in agony and terror untill you finally
check out.
funny thing, I even keep the dremmel tool charged up. Dentistry, anyone????
;-)
Mike
Why?
Why? What difference does it make, checking doesn't prevent anything.
Guess you discovered that there are "worse" things in life, eh?
Why? ... you pervert. What good does it do tp me so neurotic
about it?
Sure you did your perv.
Owwwww! Geeezus H Christ !!! You masochistic freak.
Why are you such a hysterical neurotic nitwit?
Why would they assume that you @$#*ing pervert?
You're lying again you perv.
Remove your genitals again ... permanently!
You tell us, creep.
Check your genitals again perv, they're tingling ....
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Harry wrote:
I may be under investigation for misdemeanor indecent exposure and am
looking for a consultation. I will provide the details here.
(snip)
I have called a lawyer I found on the net and he suggests I pay $3,000
for them to do a prefiling moition, or something like that, which
might get the whole matter 'fixed' before I am even charged.
Is this worth it? Should I do it?
Like whenever I watch old reruns of Columbo,
he always knows in the first five minutes who
did it. The whole rest of the episode, he just
lets the suspect stew in his own juices
until he makes a mistake, then he nabs him.
In other words, they might be waiting to get
more evidence on you. Maybe they don't have
enough evidence to bring you in, and maybe
they do but they just want to see what else
they can find out about.
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Name wrote:
Vox, after yellowstone blows and the poleshift occurs, I am SERIOUSLY
going to enjoy hunting you down and making you scream like a little
girl. Should take about 48 hours of you screaming in agony and terror
untill you finally check out.
funny thing, I even keep the dremmel tool charged up. Dentistry,
anyone????
;-)
Mike
Why wait till then Mikey?, you gutless little maggot, bring it on
while you're still young and dumb ...
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Well, I'm glad that at least a FEW of the follow up posts had
something to do with my question.
First of all, I only posted this to misc.legal and
misc.legal.moderated, so if it was crossposted further I don't know
how.
I had thought that perhaps the cops might be lying about the pictures,
it seemed very unlikely that in the short time I was there someone
could have seen what was going on and found a camera.
I spoke to an attourney and he said that nothing I admitted to the
cops could be used against me because I had not been arrested and not
been read my rights.
Is this accurate? At the time I did consider not saying a word to the
police, but obviously someone saw me do something, so refusing to
speak would have looked really bad and perhaps would have led to a
trip to the station - in which case I would have definitely had to
hire a lawyer.
I'm really curious to know if keeping your mouth shut duing a routine
questioning is as important as keeping your mouth shut after you've
been read your rights...
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One more thought...
Ok, I admit that a lot of what I have in my head about dealing with
police has come from NYPD Blue. Go ahead, laugh if you want, but that
program is based on the experience of an actual NY detective.
In any case, that show has shown and taught me the lies and deceipts
that detectives will use to get you to confess once you are in
custody. If I had been brought in for questioning, I absolutely would
not have believed anything they said to me (especially about having
pictures) and would have gotten an attourney.
However, when uniformed, non-detective officers showed up at my place
to get my side of the story, the same warning system in my head had
not gone off. I mean, is it their job to play detective too? To lie
and coerse a confession?
And, once again, is anything I said to the uniformed officers
admissable?
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I may be under investigation for misdemeanor indecent exposure and am
looking for a consultation. I will provide the details here.
(note that this is in California)
Last Thursday, Feb 5, at approx 3:30 pm, I was driving with my
convertable top down. I am a herpes sufferer, and had an outbreak
about a month ago. For me, these events often come in twos, so after
an outbreak heals I am always on the lookout for signs of a follow-up
event.
As you could imagine, this isn't the most plesant thing in the world
to live with. During and after an outbreak I have a lot of anxiety
and when I think one is coming (there are advance warnings such as
tingling and itching) I tend to be in 'panic mode' and often check
myself to see if a new outbreak has started.
Anyway, while I was driving I felt a strong tingle/itch in my genitals
and feared the worst. I was driving on a sidestreet and pulled over
to examine myself. Of course, I first made sure there was no one on
the sidewalk that might see and noted a total absence of any
pedestrian traffic. I also looked to the side at the house that was
closest to me and saw that the curtains were closed. Confident that
no one would see, I removed my genitals....
I, too, removed my genitals, and Damned if I can remember where I put them.
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"McGyver" <Greyprof@msn.com> wrote in message news:<c0dre5$16326g$1@ID-75195.news.uni-berlin.de>...
I don't know if what you did is a crime. I am not a criminal law attorney,
so I won't speculate on that. But if what you did is a crime, I don't
believe that your incentive to do it will be any defense. So you told the
police all about it, including your confession of the crime, along with your
story about innocent intentions. If they didn't have enough evidence
before, they do now. (Or they will if you repeat the confession after being
read your rights.) Apparently you didn't learn the lessons Perry Mason
taught.
So what to do. Wait for the charges. If there are charges, hire a defense
attorney. If there are no charges, learn three lessons: One: a compulsion
to examine yourself in public is not a defense to a charge of indecent
exposure. Two: Don't confess. Three: Don't post your confession on the
internet.
McGyver
In California, isn't there a requirement that the indecent exposure be
performed "willfully and lewdly"? There are plenty of cases involving
nude sunbathers and the like where the absence of lewd intent was a
successful defense.
Since a conviction for indecent exposure (PC 314) in California
carries a lifetime requirement to register as a sex offender (PC 290),
the OP is in a position of needing very badly to come out with nothing
worse than something like disorderly conduct. And since a second 314
is a felony, the OP also needs to get good enough care that he won't
be in a position of feeling like he needs to do anything like that
again. If he handles this badly, it could turn into a life-ruining
experience.
Maybe if the OP has convincing medical and psychological backup for
his story, it would cast enough doubt on lewd intent that the DA
wouldn't pursue it and would entertain a plea bargain. This sort of
deal takes a lawyer to present and work out and may well take expert
testimony. I don't see it being anything less than disorderly conduct,
no matter how the OP spins it, unless they really don't have any
evidence.
The importance of McGyver's advice to hire a defense attorney, when or
if any charges come out of this, cannot be overemphasized. This is far
too dangerous to be going it alone.
--
But I'm not a lawyer.
Chris Green
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Harry wrote:
I spoke to an attourney and he said that nothing I admitted to the
cops could be used against me because I had not been arrested and not
been read my rights.
No. Statements are inadmissible if you are questioned and not free
to leave AND not have been read your rights.
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Harry <no@spamming.com> wrote in message news:<85cm2097vhjvqtgijuebgo2n7r3eetv9up@4ax.com>...
[snip]
I spoke to an attourney and he said that nothing I admitted to the
cops could be used against me because I had not been arrested and not
been read my rights.
Is this accurate? At the time I did consider not saying a word to the
police, but obviously someone saw me do something, so refusing to
speak would have looked really bad and perhaps would have led to a
trip to the station - in which case I would have definitely had to
hire a lawyer.
I'm really curious to know if keeping your mouth shut duing a routine
questioning is as important as keeping your mouth shut after you've
been read your rights...
Not sure where that attorney is getting his information from, but it
doesn't square with what I've heard. Voluntary statements, which is
what you made, can be used against you. Miranda doesn't apply until
the situation is custodial (e.g. you're arrested). Deception (police
claiming they have evidence they really don't, for example) generally
doesn't make a voluntary statement inadmissible, either.
Keeping your mouth shut and speaking only when advised by your
attorney when there is a significant charge involved (and indecent
exposure is a significant charge in California, because of the sex
offender registration consequence) is a really good idea.
--
Not a lawyer,
Chris Green
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The answer to this is simple
call Sydney 02 9799 8242 overseas that's +612 9799 8242
ask for Phillip..he is an expert in this field
he exposes his potty mouth every day
(top posted for extra special care).
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:48:58 -0700, "- Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Why?
Why? What difference does it make, checking doesn't prevent anything.
Guess you discovered that there are "worse" things in life, eh?
Why? ... you pervert. What good does it do tp me so neurotic
about it?
Sure you did your perv.
Owwwww! Geeezus H Christ !!! You masochistic freak.
Why are you such a hysterical neurotic nitwit?
Why would they assume that you @$#*ing pervert?
You're lying again you perv.
Remove your genitals again ... permanently!
You tell us, creep.
Check your genitals again perv, they're tingling ....
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Why?
Why? What difference does it make, checking doesn't prevent anything.
Guess you discovered that there are "worse" things in life, eh?
Why? ... you pervert. What good does it do tp me so neurotic
about it?
Sure you did your perv.
Owwwww! Geeezus H Christ !!! You masochistic freak.
Bwhahahahahahahaha OMG Bwhahaha
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naw..right now its illeagal. After the poleshift the very specific
geograhpical co-ordinates defining countries have changed, therfore
countries no longer exist since they are no longer within those
co-ordinates, therefore the laws of those countries no longer exist.....
I have patience...I can wait.
Mike
Name wrote:
Why wait till then Mikey?, you gutless little maggot, bring it on
while you're still young and dumb ...
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