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"=> Vox Populi ©"
2/17/2004 1:43:25 AM


'US knew Iraq was WMD free'
by Ahmed Janabi
Friday 13 February 2004 1:39 PM GMT
Iraqi nuclear scientist Dr Imad Khadduri has told Aljazeera.net he does not
believe any ''errors'' were made regarding WMD intelligence.
Dr Khadduri, a former senior Iraqi nuclear scientist who worked for the Iraqi
nuclear programme from 1968 to 1998, said there was a deliberate media blackout
of evidence proving Iraq did not possess WMD, and that to redress the balance he
had written a book in English to have his witness testimony made available to
the world.
In 1997 Iraq delivered a report to UN weapons inspectors stating that Iraq's
civil and military nuclear programme was brought to a halt. When UN inspectors
left Iraq in 1998 there was sufficient evidence that Iraq was free from
non-conventional weapons, according to Dr Khadduri.
"I was one of the people involved in writing a detailed report in 1997 about
Iraq's civil and military nuclear programme.
"We included in the report every detail needed by the International Atomic
Energy Agency (IAEA) to verify that Iraq's nuclear programme was suspended,"
Khadduri said.
He said Iraq's chemical and biological weapons capability and its nuclear
weapons programme were destroyed in the 1991 Gulf war.
"Following the defection of Hussein Kamil, the godfather of Iraq's
non-conventional weapons programme, to Jordan in 1995, he made it clear to Ralph
Ekeus, head of the UN inspection team UNSCOM and US officials, that stockpiles
of Iraq's biological and chemical weapons were destroyed on his orders,"
Khadduri said.
"They never revealed such information, because it did not serve their war
agenda."
Khadduri said even the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission
(Unmovic) dismissed evidence that clearly indicated Iraq was free from WMD.
"The Iraqi government allowed Iraqi officials and army officials, who were in
charge of destroying stockpiles of WMD after the Gulf war in 1991, to give their
testimonies to Unmovic, but the UN inspectors simply dismissed their evidence,"
he said.
Dr Khadduri said Iraq was free from WMD, but that Western and Israeli
intelligence communities were not prepared to accept Iraq would have actually
taken such a step.
Intelligence errors
Dr Khadduri believes that the US was very particular in who it listened to
regardless of whether or not they enjoyed any credibility.
"The US administration was keen to promote Khidhr Hamza's allegations, nicknamed
as the father of Saddam's bomb by Western media... the truth is he was fired
from the nuclear programme in 1987, just months after he was assigned to head an
Iraqi team devoted to planning a nuclear bomb.
"Hamza retired from the Iraqi Atomic Commission in 1989 and left Iraq for Libya
in 1994. He simply knows nothing."
Khadduri said he tried to get his voice heard before the war, to correct many
misleading claims alleged by the US administration and its Iraqi backers.
"I worked in the Iraqi nuclear programme for 30 years until I left Iraq in 1998,
and there are many honest Iraqi scientists who lived outside Iraq years before
the war. They were not approached; no one listened to them," he said.
"It was a deliberate marginalising of reliable sources, of the people involved
directly in Iraq's WMD programme."
He said Iraqi ex-opposition figures have been silent about information they
provided before the war.
"Where are those Iraqis who bragged of delivering valuable information about
Iraq's WMD? Why don't they just lead the US army in Iraq to the place where the
alleged WMD are hidden?"
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
 
 
"Acharya"
2/17/2004 9:05:33 AM


No one can know for sure if WMD is in Iraq or not. Saddam did not come clean
and his regime could not be trusted.
WMD Deception activites
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/deception.htm


"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
news:PukYb.168$uu3.67713@news.uswest.net...

'US knew Iraq was WMD free'
by Ahmed Janabi
Friday 13 February 2004 1:39 PM GMT
Iraqi nuclear scientist Dr Imad Khadduri has told Aljazeera.net he does
not
believe any ''errors'' were made regarding WMD intelligence.
Dr Khadduri, a former senior Iraqi nuclear scientist who worked for the
Iraqi
nuclear programme from 1968 to 1998, said there was a deliberate media
blackout
of evidence proving Iraq did not possess WMD, and that to redress the
balance he
had written a book in English to have his witness testimony made available
to
the world.
In 1997 Iraq delivered a report to UN weapons inspectors stating that
Iraq's
civil and military nuclear programme was brought to a halt. When UN
inspectors
left Iraq in 1998 there was sufficient evidence that Iraq was free from
non-conventional weapons, according to Dr Khadduri.
"I was one of the people involved in writing a detailed report in 1997
about
Iraq's civil and military nuclear programme.
"We included in the report every detail needed by the International Atomic
Energy Agency (IAEA) to verify that Iraq's nuclear programme was
suspended,"
Khadduri said.
He said Iraq's chemical and biological weapons capability and its nuclear
weapons programme were destroyed in the 1991 Gulf war.
"Following the defection of Hussein Kamil, the godfather of Iraq's
non-conventional weapons programme, to Jordan in 1995, he made it clear to
Ralph
Ekeus, head of the UN inspection team UNSCOM and US officials, that
stockpiles
of Iraq's biological and chemical weapons were destroyed on his orders,"
Khadduri said.
"They never revealed such information, because it did not serve their war
agenda."
Khadduri said even the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection
Commission
(Unmovic) dismissed evidence that clearly indicated Iraq was free from
WMD.
"The Iraqi government allowed Iraqi officials and army officials, who were
in
charge of destroying stockpiles of WMD after the Gulf war in 1991, to give
their
testimonies to Unmovic, but the UN inspectors simply dismissed their
evidence,"
he said.
Dr Khadduri said Iraq was free from WMD, but that Western and Israeli
intelligence communities were not prepared to accept Iraq would have
actually
taken such a step.
Intelligence errors
Dr Khadduri believes that the US was very particular in who it listened to
regardless of whether or not they enjoyed any credibility.
"The US administration was keen to promote Khidhr Hamza's allegations,
nicknamed
as the father of Saddam's bomb by Western media... the truth is he was
fired
from the nuclear programme in 1987, just months after he was assigned to
head an
Iraqi team devoted to planning a nuclear bomb.
"Hamza retired from the Iraqi Atomic Commission in 1989 and left Iraq for
Libya
in 1994. He simply knows nothing."
Khadduri said he tried to get his voice heard before the war, to correct
many
misleading claims alleged by the US administration and its Iraqi backers.
"I worked in the Iraqi nuclear programme for 30 years until I left Iraq in
1998,
and there are many honest Iraqi scientists who lived outside Iraq years
before
the war. They were not approached; no one listened to them," he said.
"It was a deliberate marginalising of reliable sources, of the people
involved
directly in Iraq's WMD programme."
He said Iraqi ex-opposition figures have been silent about information
they
provided before the war.
"Where are those Iraqis who bragged of delivering valuable information
about
Iraq's WMD? Why don't they just lead the US army in Iraq to the place
where the
alleged WMD are hidden?"
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
 
 
"- Vox Populi ©"
2/17/2004 2:32:49 AM


--
"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would
instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab
world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-
day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless
hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinable urban guerilla
war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever
greater instability."
-George H. W. Bush in his 1998


"Acharya" <acharya@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:xPkYb.5743$_g.1856@twister.socal.rr.com...

No one can know for sure if WMD is in Iraq or not. Saddam did not come
clean
and his regime could not be trusted.
WMD Deception activites
There's a word for this. Denial.
Exhibit No. 1 is the National Intelligence Estimate from October 2002.
It says unequivocally, "We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of U.N. resolutions and restrictions.
Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges
in excess of U.N. restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a
nuclear weapon during this decade."
These assertions we now know are mostly way off. But this isn't the
president's fault, right?
Well, let's look at Exhibit No. 2. That October estimate came, depending on
whom you ask, either just a few months or several months after Bush had
already concluded that he wanted to invade Iraq and enact regime change.
Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill says in Robert Susskind's book, The
Price of Loyalty, that Bush's intention to take on Saddam was clear soon
after he took office in early 2001.
But, of course, a malleable, eager-to-please CIA wouldn't possibly have
cooked the books just to please the boss. The Central Intelligence Agency
had no "human assets" that could attest to the existence of WMDs. In other
words, no one could say that they had actually seen these weapons.
It is inconceivable that Bush wouldn't have known this.
In fact, the CIA, in a Feb. 2003 report, told him. "We do not have any
direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since (1998) to reconstitute
its Weapons of Mass Destruction programs."
OK, they were certain in October 2002, but doubtful four months later? And
Bush wouldn't have been aware enough of the doubts to temper his language?
Exhibit No. 3: The Pentagon's Office of Special Plans. Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld works for Bush. Rumsfeld formed this office to second-guess
the CIA and all the other intelligence agencies to come up with the
necessary evidence.
Exhibit No. 4. Vice President Dick Cheney's trips to the CIA in Langley to .
.. . what? Take the tour? It couldn't possibly have been to pressure the
agency to get aboard a train that had already left the station?
Exhibit No. 5. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was against
the war. Still, you should read its thoroughly credible report on known
intelligence about Iraqi WMDs and what the administration did with it.
It's conclusion: The "dramatic shift between prior intelligence assessments
and the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), together with the
creation of an independent intelligence entity at the Pentagon and other
steps, suggest that the intelligence community began to be unduly influenced
by policy-makers' views sometime in 2002."
At the very least, Bush has a severe credibility problem. I don't need to be
hit on the head but maybe you'll never be convinced that Bush purposely
deceived us. Maybe he was simply invested with so much obstinate moral
absolutism that he wasn't about to let trivial things like facts and doubts
get in the way.
Either way, this is dishonest. More, it is deception.
Reach Pimentel ator (602) 444-8210. His column appears Tuesdays, Thursdays
and Sundays.


"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
news:PukYb.168$uu3.67713@news.uswest.net...

not
Iraqi
blackout
balance he
to
Iraq's
inspectors
about
suspended,"
Ralph
stockpiles
Commission
WMD.
in
their
evidence,"
actually
nicknamed
fired
 
 
roy
2/17/2004 10:48:34 AM


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:05:33 +0000, Acharya wrote:
No one can know for sure if WMD is in Iraq or not. Saddam did not come
clean
eh?
he did not "come clean"?
Do you get US news in Hawaii? Buy a shortwave and tune to BBC World
Service.
 
 
"John"
2/17/2004 11:00:54 AM




"Acharya" <acharya@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:xPkYb.5743$_g.1856@twister.socal.rr.com...

No one can know for sure if WMD is in Iraq or not. Saddam did not come
clean
and his regime could not be trusted.
Strange to think back nowadays as to how it was before the war!
Bush/Blair democratically elected leaders telling their respective countries
that Saddam not only had WMD but that he could deploy said weapons within 45
minutes.
Saddam telling the world through the UN that he had no WMDs of any
description and letting the UN inspectors free rein even into his
Presidential palaces to search for them.
Now many months down the line we have the unpalatable truth:
Bush/Blair LIED, Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
Saddam the untrustworthy told the TRUTH,Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
Saddam = TRUTH
Bush/Blair = LIES.
 
 
"=> Vox Populi ©"
2/17/2004 9:27:48 AM


John wrote:


"Acharya" <acharya@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:xPkYb.5743$_g.1856@twister.socal.rr.com...

Strange to think back nowadays as to how it was before the war!
Bush/Blair democratically elected leaders telling their respective
countries that Saddam not only had WMD but that he could deploy said
weapons within 45 minutes.
Saddam telling the world through the UN that he had no WMDs of any
description and letting the UN inspectors free rein even into his
Presidential palaces to search for them.
Now many months down the line we have the unpalatable truth:
Bush/Blair LIED, Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
Saddam the untrustworthy told the TRUTH,Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
Saddam = TRUTH
Bush/Blair = LIES.
and don't forget:
Acharya = Sycophantic Fascist Cocksucker
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
 
 
"Acharya"
2/17/2004 6:28:47 PM


You mean the BBC that recently admitted that they hyped up reports against
the Blair adminsitration and in which the their CEO resigned?


"roy" <roy***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.17.10.48.30.585594@yahoo.co.uk...

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:05:33 +0000, Acharya wrote:
eh?
he did not "come clean"?
Do you get US news in Hawaii? Buy a shortwave and tune to BBC World
Service.
 
 
"Acharya"
2/17/2004 6:33:21 PM


You nor David Kay are not god and your truth is not absolute. Better to err
on the side of caution when it comes to fascist terrorist dictators and WMD.


"John" <babydriver3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Acharya" <acharya@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:xPkYb.5743$_g.1856@twister.socal.rr.com...

clean
Strange to think back nowadays as to how it was before the war!
Bush/Blair democratically elected leaders telling their respective
countries
that Saddam not only had WMD but that he could deploy said weapons within
45
minutes.
Saddam telling the world through the UN that he had no WMDs of any
description and letting the UN inspectors free rein even into his
Presidential palaces to search for them.
Now many months down the line we have the unpalatable truth:
Bush/Blair LIED, Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
Saddam the untrustworthy told the TRUTH,Iraq did NOT have WMDs.
Saddam = TRUTH
Bush/Blair = LIES.
 
 
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
2/17/2004 8:09:03 PM


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:28:47 GMT, "Acharya" <acharya@hawaii.rr.com> in
misc.legal, wrote the following:
You mean the BBC that recently admitted that they hyped up reports against
the Blair adminsitration and in which the their CEO resigned?
Likely the BBC which noted that Blair himself admitted he might have
"misinterpreted" the 45 minute claim in the September 2002 MoD dossier.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3466005.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3054991.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3460517.stm
I think most people here in the UK think the Hutton Report was something
of a whitewash, based upon Blair's own statements before and after its
presentation in January 2004, and don't take it seriously.
Interesting how these two world leaders who led the call for war against
Iraq had similar "misinterpretations," however. ;)
<Newsgroups trimmed>
--
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom
http://www.griffis-consulting.com
 
 
"=> Vox Populi ©"
2/17/2004 2:07:59 PM


Acharya wrote:
You nor David Kay are not god and your truth is not absolute. Better
to err on the side of caution when it comes to fascist terrorist
dictators and WMD.
Yep:
02/16/2004 01:35 PM ID: 37042
Pakistani President Musharraf Has 10 Suicide Squads Hunting Him
The Military Dictator of Nuclear WMD possessing Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf,
who has been the victim of several assassination attempts in recent months,
has now learned of specific intelligence saying 10 suicide squads are assigned
to
killing him, with more possibly to follow.
Musharraf has put his life in great danger both with outsiders but also
others inside Pakistan because of the recent nuclear arms uproar.
The president has beefed-up his personal security and his movements are
now kept completely secret until the very last minute.


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