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alohacyberian wrote:
#1 - First president to execute a federal prisoner in the last 40
years.
The vast majority of American citizens favor the death penalty and
don't like keeping people like Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson alive
to the tune of $35,000 a month.
Good thing too, since no prison in the U$$A spends even 1/10th that much
on warehousing humans, many of whom are innocent, and/or have not been
convicted of any crime.
And neither the governor of Texas or
any other state executes prisoners, that task it handled by the
judicial, criminal justice, corrections and or penal systems. KM
--
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of
rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he
shall surely be put to death.
Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely
be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as
well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the
name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
Josh 1:18 Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment, and
will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall
be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.
2 Chr 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be
put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
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alohacyberian wrote:
Good thing too, since no prison in the U$$A spends even 1/10th that much
on warehousing humans, many of whom are innocent, and/or have not been
convicted of any crime.
--
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of
rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he
shall surely be put to death.
Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely
be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as
well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the
name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
Josh 1:18 Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment, and
will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall
be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.
2 Chr 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be
put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
Now I know vAX POOPuli is sick and not taking his meds. It is just one
extreme to another, now isn't it Tom? Hey Tom(POOPuli), I am gonna give you
a call today to make sure you are taking your meds.
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BUFDRVR wrote:
Good thing too, since no prison in the U$$A spends even 1/10th that
much
on warehousing humans, many of whom are innocent, and/or have not
been convicted of any crime.
You can't be that stupid can you ........?
Go ahead nutsack, cite a U$ DOJ / BOP statistic that supports
your patheticly false claim ...
Here, just so a moron like you doesn't get confused, here's the original
preposterous post/claim:
alohacyberian wrote:
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The CO wrote:
Good thing too, since no prison in the U$$A spends even 1/10th that
much on warehousing humans, many of whom are innocent, and/or have
not been convicted of any crime.
Yes he can. Q.E.D.
Well fool, it should be trivially easy for you to come up
with a DOJ / BOP cited figure that supports your pathetically
preposterous position ... then again, perhaps not.
The CI
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arg wrote:
"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message > >
Good thing too, since no prison in the U$$A spends even 1/10th
that
Man, why is it your ilk like to use $$$$$$$$ in every other word? Is
that your idea of creative writing?
LOL! From a guy who then goes on to quote how
"wealthy" the U$$A is .... damn, another irony meter shattered.
Here are some other statistics for your amusement:
GDP (per capita)
Luxembourg $44,586
United States $35,935
Bermuda $34,396
San Marino $33,898
Cayman Islands $32,531
Switzerland $31,635
Norway $31,601
Belgium $28,963
Denmark $28,963
Canada $28,932
Yep, so why is the U$$A the only "wealthy" state
on that list with such an attrocious incarceration/crime rate?
And how many of those other Countries have
a historical foreign policy record like this one:
1948 - PRESENT
AMERICAN/ISRAELI STATE TERRORISM OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: 100,000 Palestinian people
From the very beginning of the Zionist State of Israel in 1948, One of the
earliest and most notorious incidents of Israeli terrorism was the Deir
Yassin massacre in April, 1948. 250 Palestinian men, women and children were
murdered in cold blood by Menachem Begin's Zionist "Irgun" group as it went
from house to house seeking to drive all Palestinians out of their ancient
homeland. It hasn't gotten any better since then.
Besides murdering women and children, Israelis routinely torture Palestinian
prisoners in jail. And almost all of it has been kept hidden by the
mainstream American mass-media for 55 years.
Just to give you another example of who the Israelis really are: in 1946,
Menachem Begin's terrorist organization blew up the King David Hotel in
Jerusalem, murdering British nurses, in order to drive the British out of
Palestine. Israeli society later rewarded Menachem Begin by electing him
Prime Minister.
The United States government gives billions of your tax dollars to the
Israelis every year. And the U.S. government never pays people to do things
it doesn't want done. Israeli state terrorism is essentially American state
terrorism.
1953 - PRESENT
AMERICAN-BACKED GENOCIDE OF THE GUATEMALAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people
From Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
by William Blum:
A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive
government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of military-government
death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions and unimaginable
cruelty, totaling more than 200,000 victims - indisputably one of the most
inhumane chapters of the 20th century.
The justification for the coup that has been put forth over the years is
that Guatemala had been on the verge of the proverbial Soviet takeover. In
actuality, the Russians had so little interest in the country that it didn't
even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem was that Arbenz had
taken over some of the uncultivated land of the US firm, United Fruit
Company [Chiquita bananas], which had extremely close ties to the American
power elite.
Moreover, in the eyes of Washington, there was the danger of Guatemala's
social-democracy model spreading to other countries in Latin America.
Despite a 1996 "peace" accord between the government and rebels, respect for
human rights remains as only a concept in Guatemala; death squads continue
to operate with a significant measure of impunity against union activists
and other dissidents; torture still rears its ugly head; the lower classes
are as wretched as ever; the military endures as a formidable institution;
the US continues to arm and train the Guatemalan military and carry out
exercises with it; and key provisions of the peace accord concerning
military reform have not been carried out.
1955 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE CAMBODIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 people
Prince Sihanouk was yet another leader who did not fancy being an American
client. After many years of hostility toward his regime, including
assassination plots and the infamous Nixon/Kissinger secret "carpet
bombings" of 1969-70, Washington finally overthrew Sihanouk in a coup in
1970. This was all that was needed to impel Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge
forces to enter the fray. Five years later, they took power. But the years
of American bombing had caused Cambodia's traditional economy to vanish. The
old Cambodia had been destroyed forever.
Incredibly, the Khmer Rouge were to inflict even greater misery upon this
unhappy land. And to multiply the irony, the United States supported Pol Pot
and the Khmer Rouge after their subsequent defeat by the Vietnamese.
1957 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE LAOTIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: over 500,000 people
The Laotian left, led by the Pathet Lao, tried to effect social change
peacefully, making significant electoral gains and taking part in coalition
governments. But the United States would have none of that.
The CIA and the State Department, through force, bribery and other
pressures, engineered coups in 1958, 1959 and 1960. Eventually, the only
option left for the Pathet Lao was armed force.
The CIA created its famous "Arme Clandestine" - totaling 30,000, from every
corner of Asia - to do battle, while the US Air Force, between 1965 and
1973, rained down more than two million tons of bombs upon the people of
Laos, many of whom were forced to live in caves for years in a desperate
attempt to escape the monsters falling from the sky.
After hundreds of thousands had been killed, many more maimed, and countless
bombed villages with hardly stone standing upon stone, the Pathet Lao took
control of the country, following on the heels of events in Vietnam.
MID-1950S, 1970-71
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON THE ELECTED LEADER OF COSTA RICA
From Rogue State
by William Blum:
To liberal American political leaders, President Jose Figueres was the
quintessential "liberal democrat", the kind of statesman they liked to
think, and liked the world to think, was the natural partner of US foreign
policy rather than the military dictators who somehow kept popping up as
allies.
Yet the United States tried to overthrow Figueres (in the 1950s, and perhaps
also in the 1970s, when he was again president), and tried to assassinate
him twice. The reasons? Figueres was not tough enough on the left, led Costa
Rica to become the first country in Central America to establish diplomatic
relations with the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and on occasion
questioned American foreign policy, like the Bay of Pigs invasion.
1959 - PRESENT
AMERICAN SUBVERSION AND STATE TERRORISM OF THE CUBAN PEOPLE
From Killing H
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BUFDRVR wrote:
Go ahead nutsack, cite a U$ DOJ / BOP statistic that supports
your patheticly false claim ...
Actually moron, it's you who need to provide factual evidence that;
"many of (prisoner in the US) whom are innocent, and/or have not been
convicted of any crime."
Really? That's easy enough, how many cases you want cited?
In the meantime why don't you provide support
for the pathetic and presposerous lie that warehousing humans in
the U$$A costs $35,000 per month.
The vast majority of American citizens favor the death penalty and
don't like keeping people like Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson alive
to the tune of $35,000 a month.
Actually, outside of Jose Pedilla (who will be charged soon according
to DHS), I'm just looking for one other US citizen you can name who
is in a US prison without being convicted of a crime or awaiting
trial for a crime.
Well, there you go imbecile, you stumbled upon ~ 347,000 people currently
incarcerated in the U$$A who have not been convicted of the crime charged.
Just one. Fool.
Yes, you are a fool.
BUFDRVR
U.S. CONTINUES TO BE WORLD LEADER IN RATE OF INCARCERATION
As a result of the continuing rise in the prison population in the United States
along with a major
prisoner amnesty in Russia, the U.S. rate of incarceration surpassed that of
Russia in 2000 and
the U.S. is now the world leader in imprisonment. The U.S. rate of 699 prisoners
per 100,000
population1 is now greater than the Russian rate, which declined from 730 per
100,000 in 1999 to
644 per 100,000 in 2001.2
Russia has been facing severe overcrowding in its penal facilities for many
years, with inmates in
pretrial detention sometimes waiting as long as several years for their cases to
come to trial. In
response to this crisis, the Russian Parliament approved an amnesty that
resulted in the release of
120,000 pretrial detainees and sentenced offenders. This reduced the inmate
population to
934,000 as of February 2001. As many as 250,000 more prisoners may be released
as a result of
the amnesty during the next two to three years.3
The U.S. rate of incarceration has been increasing continuously for nearly
thirty years. From
approximately 330,000 inmates in prison and jail in 1972, the inmate population
has grown to
1,933,503 by the end of 2000.4 In comparison to other industrialized nations,
the U.S. rate of
incarceration is 5-8 times that of Canada and most of western Europe.
A majority of inmates in U.S. prisons are housed for non-violent offenses. The
population in
state prisons is comprised of 48% violent offenders, 21% property offenders, 21%
drug
offenders, and 10% public order and other offenses. In federal prisons, the
inmate breakdown
consists of 11% violent offenders, 7% property offenders, 57% drug offenders,
and 24% public
order and other offenders.5 Of the 621,000 inmates in local jails, 56% are
awaiting trial and 44%
are serving sentences. There are an estimated 485,000 persons either serving
time or awaiting
trial for a drug offense.6
The attached tables list the world's ten leading nations in rate of
incarceration and provide
comparisons of the U.S. rate of incarceration.
1 US rate is for December 2000, from Allen Beck and Paige Harrison, Prisoners in
2000, Bureau of Justice
Statistics, US Department of Justice, August 2001.
2 The Russian rate of incarceration is calculated for February 2001 from figures
provided to the International Center
for Prison Studies by the Russian State Statistics Committee, adjusted to
reflect the recent releases.
3 RIA news agency, Moscow, quoted in Penal Reform International's Newsletter on
Eastern Europe and Central
Asia, Spring/Summer 2001.
4.Beck and Harrison.
5 Beck and Harrison.
6 Data calculated from various reports of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
TEN LEADING NATIONS IN INCARCERATION RATES
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other
nations, Roy Walmsley, World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research,
Development and Statistics Directorate, July 2000. Incarceration data were
collected on varying dates within the
period 1997 through 1999.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
665 Cayman Islands
644 Russia
575 Belarus
495 Kazakhstan
485 Bahamas
475 US Virgin Islands
460 Belize
445 Bermuda
440 Kyrgyzstan
RATE OF INCARCERATION IN SELECTED NATIONS
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other
nations, Roy Walmsley, World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research,
Development and Statistics Directorate, July 2000.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
644 Russia
400 South Africa
125 United Kingdom
110 Canada
110 Australia
110 Spain
95 Germany
90 France
90 Italy
90 Netherlands
85 Switzerland
60 Sweden
40 Japan
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"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
Jarg wrote:
Yep, so why is the U$$A the only "wealthy" state
on that list with such an attrocious incarceration/crime rate?
We're the most diverse of the lot, and have the least consistency
over our history. We're also vastly bigger, both in terms of land
area and size of population.
Even in Canada or the Cayman Islands, they've retained a good deal
of homogeneity since european colonization. In the US we've undergone
many waves of immigration originating from many different parts of the
world, sometimes from parts of the world that are otherwise hostile
towards each other (e.g. English vs. Irish).
In most of these countries as well there is a long history of heavy
government intervention in people's lives (from feudalism and the
nobility, with some of these countries even remaining kingdoms to this
very day!). A homogenous population that tolerates heavy federal
regulation of daily lives is one that is going to have low crime.
Japan is the extreme example of that - violent crime is virtually
unheard of. Japan also has virtually no immigration, an extremely
heavy handed government, and rabid xenophobia.
Not how I want to live, but your mileage may vary.
A very heterogenous society with a history that begins with and
sustains rebellion against federal authority is going to be more
chaotic in terms of interpersonal relations of its citizens.
Of course there are other factors. For example, the lack of a strong
family unit in the US today. What little there ever was of it in the
US has been completely shattered in recent decades. There has been a
dramatic decline in the importance of religion in the US, and
consequently of morality.
Lack of respect for authority, diverse groups with historical
antagonisms, no strong family unit, declining religion and morality -
all problems which don't generally exist in these other countries.
But combined in this way, they are a recipe for disaster. A disaster
which has been decades in coming, and is now playing out its final
chapters. The war on terrorism may have accelerated it the end, but
did not initiate it - it had begun decades earlier.
Look at the vitrol on both sides of the 2004 election - people are
tearing this country apart, and over what? Two nearly identical sock
puppets? Good grief! If people are nearly in a state of civil war
over something like that, we're doomed.
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dward Glamkowski wrote:
"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
We're the most diverse of the lot, and have the least consistency
over our history. We're also vastly bigger, both in terms of land
area and size of population.
Irrelevant, the stats are adjusted PER CAPITA.
Even in Canada or the Cayman Islands they've retained a good deal
of homogeneity since european colonization.
Spent much time in Montreal or Vancouver ...?
In Cayman, they're either slave descendants named Eubanks or they are the
wealthy white tourists.
In the US we've undergone
many waves of immigration originating from many different parts of the
world, sometimes from parts of the world that are otherwise hostile
towards each other (e.g. English vs. Irish).
Which of course explains nothing, as the countries those immigrants
came from don't suffer the crime/incarceration rates the U$$A does.
And even in Northern Ireland where the English/Irish conflict is
at it's peak, it don't hold a candle to the reprehensible U$ stats.
In most of these countries as well there is a long history of heavy
government intervention in people's lives (from feudalism and the
nobility, with some of these countries even remaining kingdoms to this
very day!). A homogenous population that tolerates heavy federal
regulation of daily lives is one that is going to have low crime.
Oh... I see, it's the wonderfully exclusive U$ "Freedom" that caused
such a high crime/incarceration rate ... and all those despotic unfree
countries of Europe, The Americas and the rest of the planet would
have higher crime/incarceration rates if they could just be "liberated"
from their chains ... eh?
Japan is the extreme example of that - violent crime is virtually
unheard of. Japan also has virtually no immigration, an extremely
heavy handed government, and rabid xenophobia.
Oh, I see, and those other countries listed above Japan, but 200 - 500% lower
than the U$$A in the latter list below ... what's their excuse?
TEN LEADING NATIONS IN INCARCERATION RATES
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other nations, Roy Walmsley,
World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research, Development and Statistics Directorate,
July 2000. Incarceration data were collected on varying dates within
the period 1997 through 1999.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
665 Cayman Islands
644 Russia
575 Belarus
495 Kazakhstan
485 Bahamas
475 US Virgin Islands
460 Belize
445 Bermuda
440 Kyrgyzstan
RATE OF INCARCERATION IN SELECTED NATIONS
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other nations, Roy Walmsley,
World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research, Development and Statistics Directorate, July 2000.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
644 Russia
400 South Africa
125 United Kingdom
110 Canada
110 Australia
110 Spain
95 Germany
90 France
90 Italy
90 Netherlands
85 Switzerland
60 Sweden
40 Japan
Not how I want to live, but your mileage may vary.
And these countries scare you away with their despotic
brutal Orwellian govt's ...?
125 United Kingdom
110 Canada
110 Australia
110 Spain
95 Germany
90 France
90 Italy
90 Netherlands
85 Switzerland
60 Sweden
A very heterogenous society with a history that begins with and
sustains rebellion against federal authority is going to be more
chaotic in terms of interpersonal relations of its citizens.
Yes Dorothy, that's the point. The U$$A is a very violent belligerent
country as a whole ... and it has plenty of WMD ...
Of course there are other factors. For example, the lack of a strong
family unit in the US today.
Complete bull#@($. "Families" are neither here nor there when
it comes to the topics under discussion.
What little there ever was of it in the
US has been completely shattered in recent decades. There has been a
dramatic decline in the importance of religion in the US, and
consequently of morality.
More utter bull#@($. Religion is a disease, a mental defect, nothing but
pig-ignorant superstitious nonsense ... and quite frankly a large part
of the human problem today.
Lack of respect for authority,
"Authority" gets the respect it deserves, and earns.
diverse groups with historical
antagonisms,
Really? Got any cites or stats that show any meaningful portion of
the massive U$ incarceration/crime rates is because of specified inter-group
fighting?
no strong family unit,
Fuck your family.
declining religion
Fuck your religion, and @$#* what it stands for.
and morality -
Now who's fault is that?
all problems which don't generally exist in these other countries.
So these other countries ARE better ...?
But combined in this way, they are a recipe for disaster. A disaster
which has been decades in coming, and is now playing out its final
chapters. The war on terrorism may have accelerated it the end, but
did not initiate it - it had begun decades earlier.
Look at the vitrol on both sides of the 2004 election - people are
tearing this country apart, and over what? Two nearly identical sock
puppets? Good grief! If people are nearly in a state of civil war
over something like that, we're doomed.
Can't wait, civil war can be fun .. especially the lurp patrols exacting
revenge on the neo-con fascist who deserve the same fate as Germany's
fascists ...
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always
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BUFDRVR wrote:
Well, there you go imbecile, you stumbled upon ~ 347,000 people
currently incarcerated in the U$$A who have not been convicted of
the crime charged.
Are you retarded? Another poster sent the story of a Taliban fighter
born to Saudi parents in Louisiana who, like Padilla, has been held
without being charged. That's *one*, where are you getting the other
346,999 from? Your making it up.
You really are dumber than a box of rocks, aren't you moron?
BUFDRVR wrote:
Go ahead nutsack, cite a U$ DOJ / BOP statistic that supports
your patheticly false claim ...
Actually moron, it's you who need to provide factual evidence that;
"many of (prisoner in the US) whom are innocent, and/or have not been
convicted of any crime."
Really? That's easy enough, how many cases you want cited?
In the meantime why don't you provide support
for the pathetic and presposerous lie that warehousing humans in
the U$$A costs $35,000 per month.
The vast majority of American citizens favor the death penalty and
don't like keeping people like Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson alive
to the tune of $35,000 a month.
Actually, outside of Jose Pedilla (who will be charged soon according
to DHS), I'm just looking for one other US citizen you can name who
is in a US prison without being convicted of a crime or awaiting
trial for a crime.
Well, there you go imbecile, you stumbled upon ~ 347,000 people currently
incarcerated in the U$$A who have not been convicted of the crime charged.
Just one. Fool.
Yes, you are a fool.
BUFDRVR
U.S. CONTINUES TO BE WORLD LEADER IN RATE OF INCARCERATION
As a result of the continuing rise in the prison population in the United States
along with a major
prisoner amnesty in Russia, the U.S. rate of incarceration surpassed that of
Russia in 2000 and
the U.S. is now the world leader in imprisonment. The U.S. rate of 699 prisoners
per 100,000
population1 is now greater than the Russian rate, which declined from 730 per
100,000 in 1999 to
644 per 100,000 in 2001.2
Russia has been facing severe overcrowding in its penal facilities for many
years, with inmates in
pretrial detention sometimes waiting as long as several years for their cases to
come to trial. In
response to this crisis, the Russian Parliament approved an amnesty that
resulted in the release of
120,000 pretrial detainees and sentenced offenders. This reduced the inmate
population to
934,000 as of February 2001. As many as 250,000 more prisoners may be released
as a result of
the amnesty during the next two to three years.3
The U.S. rate of incarceration has been increasing continuously for nearly
thirty years. From
approximately 330,000 inmates in prison and jail in 1972, the inmate population
has grown to
1,933,503 by the end of 2000.4 In comparison to other industrialized nations,
the U.S. rate of
incarceration is 5-8 times that of Canada and most of western Europe.
A majority of inmates in U.S. prisons are housed for non-violent offenses. The
population in
state prisons is comprised of 48% violent offenders, 21% property offenders, 21%
drug
offenders, and 10% public order and other offenses. In federal prisons, the
inmate breakdown
consists of 11% violent offenders, 7% property offenders, 57% drug offenders,
and 24% public
order and other offenders.5 Of the 621,000 inmates in local jails, 56% are
awaiting trial and 44%
are serving sentences. There are an estimated 485,000 persons either serving
time or awaiting
trial for a drug offense.6
The attached tables list the world's ten leading nations in rate of
incarceration and provide
comparisons of the U.S. rate of incarceration.
1 US rate is for December 2000, from Allen Beck and Paige Harrison, Prisoners in
2000, Bureau of Justice
Statistics, US Department of Justice, August 2001.
2 The Russian rate of incarceration is calculated for February 2001 from figures
provided to the International Center
for Prison Studies by the Russian State Statistics Committee, adjusted to
reflect the recent releases.
3 RIA news agency, Moscow, quoted in Penal Reform International's Newsletter on
Eastern Europe and Central
Asia, Spring/Summer 2001.
4.Beck and Harrison.
5 Beck and Harrison.
6 Data calculated from various reports of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
TEN LEADING NATIONS IN INCARCERATION RATES
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other
nations, Roy Walmsley, World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research,
Development and Statistics Directorate, July 2000. Incarceration data were
collected on varying dates within the
period 1997 through 1999.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
665 Cayman Islands
644 Russia
575 Belarus
495 Kazakhstan
485 Bahamas
475 US Virgin Islands
460 Belize
445 Bermuda
440 Kyrgyzstan
RATE OF INCARCERATION IN SELECTED NATIONS
Source: Rate for Russia calculated from figures cited on previous page; for the
US Prisoners in 2000: for all other
nations, Roy Walmsley, World Prison Population List (2nded.), United Kingdom
Home Office Research,
Development and Statistics Directorate, July 2000.
Incarceration Rate (number of people in prison per 100,000 population)
699 United States of America
644 Russia
400 South Africa
125 United Kingdom
110 Canada
110 Australia
110 Spain
95 Germany
90 France
90 Italy
90 Netherlands
85 Switzerland
60 Sweden
40 Japan
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Jim Doyle wrote:
Right, him being an accomplished B-52 pilot, this must be relatively
speaking on your part.
Don't matter what he was trained to fly, his pig-ignorant responses
and abject self-contradictory stupidity in this thread clearly illuminates
him as the mental moron that he is ...
Hell, the criminal liar Bu$h was, at one time, trained to fly fighter jets,
yet there is no doubt anywhere in the world that he has to be
the lowest grade idiot ever to be appointed President of the US.
--
--
The sayings of George W. "We Know They're There" Bush:
"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one
word is 'to be prepared'."
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the
future."
"The future will be better tomorrow." - Governor George W. Bush
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm
commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
"Public speaking is very easy."
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in
our air and water that are doing it."
"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
"If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow."
"I don't think we need to be subliminable about the differences between our
views on prescription drugs."
"Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it."
"I think we agree, the past is over."
"I hope we get to the bottom of the answer. It's what I'm interested to
know."
DEATH AND TAXES: "Mr. Vice-President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not
sure 80 per cent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 per cent
will get it if I'm the president."
"The fact that he relies on facts - says things that are not factual - are
going to undermine his campaign."
"If I'm the President, we're going to have Emergency-Room care, we're going
to have gag orders."
"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to
California. In more ways than Washington, D.C. is close to California."
"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --- he can't have
it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
"We had a good Cabinet meeting, talked about a lot of issues. Secretary of
State and Defense brought us up to date about our desires to spread freedom
and peace around the world."-Washington, D.C., Aug. 1, 2003 (Thanks to Tanny
Bear.)
Bush Says - "Actually, I -- this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I
like it. When I'm talking about -- when I'm talking about myself, and when
he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
--Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000
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Thanks, Vox, those quotes are a keeper!
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:44:46 -0700, "=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote:
Jim Doyle wrote:
Don't matter what he was trained to fly, his pig-ignorant responses
and abject self-contradictory stupidity in this thread clearly illuminates
him as the mental moron that he is ...
Hell, the criminal liar Bu$h was, at one time, trained to fly fighter jets,
yet there is no doubt anywhere in the world that he has to be
the lowest grade idiot ever to be appointed President of the US.
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The sayings of George W. "We Know They're There" Bush:
"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one
word is 'to be prepared'."
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the
future."
"The future will be better tomorrow." - Governor George W. Bush
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm
commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
"Public speaking is very easy."
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in
our air and water that are doing it."
"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
"If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow."
"I don't think we need to be subliminable about the differences between our
views on prescription drugs."
"Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it."
"I think we agree, the past is over."
"I hope we get to the bottom of the answer. It's what I'm interested to
know."
DEATH AND TAXES: "Mr. Vice-President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not
sure 80 per cent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 per cent
will get it if I'm the president."
"The fact that he relies on facts - says things that are not factual - are
going to undermine his campaign."
"If I'm the President, we're going to have Emergency-Room care, we're going
to have gag orders."
"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to
California. In more ways than Washington, D.C. is close to California."
"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --- he can't have
it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
"We had a good Cabinet meeting, talked about a lot of issues. Secretary of
State and Defense brought us up to date about our desires to spread freedom
and peace around the world."-Washington, D.C., Aug. 1, 2003 (Thanks to Tanny
Bear.)
Bush Says - "Actually, I -- this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I
like it. When I'm talking about -- when I'm talking about myself, and when
he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
--Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000
Mark 'M' Johnson
Werther, Germany
E aho ka hoeha ia no ka oiaio, i ka lanakila ma ka wahahee
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Mark Johnson wrote:
Thanks, Vox, those quotes are a keeper!
But hey, Bu$h is a "pilot", besides being a Drunk,
Cocaine abuser, criminal and a simpering chimpanzee,
so he can't possibly be an imbecile... can he?
Like they have some genius IQ test before someone
gets their multi-engine ticket in the U$$A ...hell,
drug smugglers can, and do, fly WWII B* aircraft.
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:44:46 -0700, "=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Mark 'M' Johnson
Werther, Germany
E aho ka hoeha ia no ka oiaio, i ka lanakila ma ka wahahee
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message news:<pJs_b.47$%e4.28713@news.uswest.net>...
The sayings of George W. "We Know They're There" Bush:
Wonder if you are aware most of these quotes come from Dan Quayle and
not George W. Bush?
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The Bandit wrote:
Wonder if you are aware most of these quotes come from Dan Quayle and
not George W. Bush?
Wonder if you get paid to lie ...?
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The sayings of George W. "We Know They're There" Bush:
"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one
word is 'to be prepared'."
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the
future."
"The future will be better tomorrow." - Governor George W. Bush
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm
commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
"Public speaking is very easy."
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in
our air and water that are doing it."
"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
"If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow."
"I don't think we need to be subliminable about the differences between our
views on prescription drugs."
"Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it."
"I think we agree, the past is over."
"I hope we get to the bottom of the answer. It's what I'm interested to
know."
DEATH AND TAXES: "Mr. Vice-President, in all due respect, it is - I'm not
sure 80 per cent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 per cent
will get it if I'm the president."
"The fact that he relies on facts - says things that are not factual - are
going to undermine his campaign."
"If I'm the President, we're going to have Emergency-Room care, we're going
to have gag orders."
"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to
California. In more ways than Washington, D.C. is close to California."
"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --- he can't have
it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
"We had a good Cabinet meeting, talked about a lot of issues. Secretary of
State and Defense brought us up to date about our desires to spread freedom
and peace around the world."-Washington, D.C., Aug. 1, 2003 (Thanks to Tanny
Bear.)
Bush Says - "Actually, I -- this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I
like it. When I'm talking about -- when I'm talking about myself, and when
he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
--Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000
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"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message news:<6Px_b.94$%e4.52715@news.uswest.net>...
The Bandit wrote:
Wonder if you get paid to lie ...?
You guys live in your own dark world of hate, suit yourself.
But if you ever interested in the truth go here:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm
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On 24 Feb 2004 08:19:44 -0800, no-reply@idexer.com (The Bandit) wrote:
"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message news:<6Px_b.94$%e4.52715@news.uswest.net>...
You guys live in your own dark world of hate, suit yourself.
But if you ever interested in the truth go here:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm
Actually, I had seen most of these quotes in a book called (I believe) "Bushims" that was a best
seller when Bush first became President. I don't think there is any hate here, only the wish that
the leader of the country be somewhat educated and eloquent. Bush , though having his MBA, is
seemingly neither.
Mark 'M' Johnson
Werther, Germany
E aho ka hoeha ia no ka oiaio, i ka lanakila ma ka wahahee
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Condescending Elitist College Professor "Mark Johnson"
I don't think there is any hate here, only the wish that
the leader of the country be somewhat educated and eloquent.
Of course, Gore flunked out of college. And Jimmy Carter mangled the
language. I guess it's ok to do so and become President if you belong to the
"correct" party...you obviously never saw Dubyah's eloquent sppech at
National Cathedral a few days after 9-11. Try and find a video of it.
Bush , though having his MBA, is seemingly neither.
The majority of Americans aren't "educated and eloquent" themselves. To
them, Bush comes off as a regular guy. But to a leftist elitist like you, he
comes off as a smirking simpleton. And you've misjudged him with disastarous
results so far...
E aho ka hoeha ia no ka oiaio, i ka lanakila ma ka wahahee
Calling Dubyah a liar in Hawaiian won't work, either.....
"Individuality is fine, as long as we all do it together"
Major Frank Burns
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:26:53 GMT, "King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:
Condescending Elitist College Professor "Mark Johnson"
Of course, Gore flunked out of college. And Jimmy Carter mangled the
language. I guess it's ok to do so and become President if you belong to the
"correct" party...you obviously never saw Dubyah's eloquent sppech at
National Cathedral a few days after 9-11. Try and find a video of it.
That both parties present candidates who aren't eloquent in their deliveries isn't an excuse for
either party. Yes, I have seen 'Dubya' deliver some strong speeches, but sometimes, he seems to get
ahead of himself or lost or just totally botch what should have been simple to say. Why? Dunno.
Bush , though having his MBA, is seemingly neither.
The majority of Americans aren't "educated and eloquent" themselves. To
them, Bush comes off as a regular guy.
That's more a commentar on the state and importance of a good education in America than a slam on
the presidency.
But to a leftist elitist like you, he comes off as a smirking simpleton. And you've misjudged him with disastarous
results so far...
A flame? Lefty elitist? Is that supposed to hurt me? Sorry, registered Republican, living abroad,
just a bit disenchanted with what politics in America has become. A Clinton fan? Hardly. Kerry? Get
real. Bush?...well you've probably read some of my posts about him. The great question for the ages
is why does a great country like America accept the status quo in their leaders.
E aho ka hoeha ia no ka oiaio, i ka lanakila ma ka wahahee
Calling Dubyah a liar in Hawaiian won't work, either.....
Ah, that's your interpretation, now isn't it? Not the direct translation. Lying to the public was a
crime in the Nixon era, Alzheimer's disease in Reagan's time, weasling out of a love affair in
Clinton's term and normal operating procedure for 'Dubya.' Does that make any of them worthy of
leadership?
"Individuality is fine, as long as we all do it together"
Major Frank Burns
Boy, may old ferret face rest in peace. Classic military 'yes man.'
Mark 'M' Johnson
Werther, Germany
E aho ka hoeha ia no ka oiaio, i ka lanakila ma ka wahahee
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no-reply@idexer.com (The Bandit) wrote:
"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message news:<6Px_b.94$%e4.52715@news.uswest.net>...
You guys live in your own dark world of hate, suit yourself.
But if you ever interested in the truth go here:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm
I have seen lies in snopes.
I heard and saw GW Bush say, on tv "I got war in my haid". Did he tap
the side of his skull in emphasis? Probably.
Grantland
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