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auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson)
2/21/2004 9:19:36 AM


A couple of weeks ago, someone that I do not know died of an overdose
of heroin. The only reason I know anything about this is because the
man who overdosed and died had a wife whom I knew rather well from a
chatroom I frequented. Let me give you the story:
The husband had been drinking, and had taken a couple of valiums, or
similar tranquilizers. Then, soon afterwards. he injected himself with
a "half a bag" of heroin (I have no idea how much heroin that is).
Very, very soon thereafter, the wife, who was in the chatroom during
the time her husband had injected the heroin, and presumably had also
injected some heroin as well, typed that "Mark" had passed out, saying
"what a pussy; only a half bag." Someone in the chatroom suggested
she take his pulse. The wife did take his pulse, and said he had a
pulse. Some other chatter then said to give the husband mouth to
mouth respiration. I do not know if this was done, but apparently
some time passed, and this wife, let us call her "Mary," finally tried
to revive him, by putting cold water on him, which did not revive him.
From what I gather, HOURS actually passed while "Mary" continued
chatting in the chatroom. It has been said that she just thought that
"Mark" was in a "heavy nod." He was snoring. Then after this rather
long period of time, "Mark" stopped snoring, and, EVENTUALLY, "Mary"
finally called for an ambulance. From what I have heard, "Mark" died
soon after he arrived at the hospital, but I am not completely sure
when he died.
Now, "Mary" is apparently in a great deal of trouble with the law.
Both she and her now dead husband were moderate users of heroin, but
by no means everyday "junkies." One more thing that may or may not be
important is that the two were not legally married, but had lived
together for a long time, and had two children together. "Mary" had
been sniffing heroin for quite a long time, and only in the past
couple of months had she started injecting the drug. "Mark" had
injected heroin on and off for years.
Again, "Mary" is in trouble with the law over the death of "Mark." I
have heard that they might pin a manslaughter charge her. She
obviously did not seek immediate medical attention for "Mark," but,
instead, waited hours to do so, and most likely did not give any form
of mouth to mouth respiration to assist him. It seems she just "kept
on eye" on him, and did little else.
I have no idea whether the police found drugs in their home. They did
confiscate her computer, which I imagine would have all kinds of
emails, and other misc. evidence, having to do with her regular heroin
use.
I would appreciate any feedback as to what, if anything, "Mary" might
be charged with, so far as the death of "Mark" is concerned. Is it
likely she could be charged with manslaughter, or some kind of gross
negligence regarding anothers life? Or, is it more likely that the
most she could possibly be charged with be that she was under the
influence of a controlled substance, or, should they have found the
drugs, that she would get a simple possession charge?
One more thing...would the logs of her chatting away in a chatroom
while "Mark" lay dying, if they got into the hands of the authorities,
be legitimate evidence of her seeming lack of concern over the welfare
of her dying partner?
If anyone has any answers to my questions, please respond to this post
at your earliest convenience. Thank you in advance.
Rick Henderson
 
 
"Richard"
2/21/2004 3:17:21 PM


Rick Henderson wrote:
A couple of weeks ago, someone that I do not know died of an overdose
of heroin. The only reason I know anything about this is because the
man who overdosed and died had a wife whom I knew rather well from a
chatroom I frequented. Let me give you the story:
She'll be charged with illegal possession.
Even if they find no traces at the scene.
This can be accomplished by testing her blood which will prove she had the
drug in her possession.
I doubt seriously if she'll be charged for her husband's death, which was
really his own doing.
Drug abuse is something you get addicted to and is not a "casual" thing.
I have no sympathy for any person who puts the crap in his bloodstream just
to get a buzz.
 
 
Najena
2/22/2004 1:31:46 AM


You didn't post the state where this happened. In PA, there are several
crimes with which she could be charged. The most serious is drug delivery
resulting in death, which is equivalent to 3rd degree murder, for giving
the husband the drugs which resulted in his death.
Alternatively, she could be charged with involuntary manslaughter, if she
negligently caused his death by not acting. This is a first degree
misdemeanor.
Assuming a spotless prior record, the involuntary manslaughter conviction
could get a minimum of 3 to 12 months (or perhaps house arrest, boot camp,
or other restrictive programming) to a maximum of 5 years. This can be
accompanied by a fine of up to $10,000. This is per the statutory
sentencing guidelines.
The drug delivery resulting in death charge would yield a miniumum of 5
years in the state jail and a fine of at least $15,000, to a maximum of 40
years. Note that for this crime, the court has no authority to downgrade
the charge or modify the miniumum sentence.
The logs are admissible by the prosecution to the extent they are relevant
to each element of each crime, or for impeachment purposes.
 
 
gook@rocketmail.com
2/21/2004 11:09:04 PM


auto345112@hushmail.com wrote:
A couple of weeks ago, someone that I do not know died of an overdose
of heroin. The only reason I know anything about this is because the
man who overdosed and died had a wife whom I knew rather well from a
chatroom I frequented. Let me give you the story:
The husband had been drinking, and had taken a couple of valiums, or
similar tranquilizers. Then, soon afterwards. he injected himself with
a "half a bag" of heroin (I have no idea how much heroin that is).
Very, very soon thereafter, the wife, who was in the chatroom during
the time her husband had injected the heroin, and presumably had also
injected some heroin as well, typed that "Mark" had passed out, saying
"what a pussy; only a half bag." Someone in the chatroom suggested
she take his pulse. The wife did take his pulse, and said he had a
pulse. Some other chatter then said to give the husband mouth to
mouth respiration. I do not know if this was done, but apparently
some time passed, and this wife, let us call her "Mary," finally tried
to revive him, by putting cold water on him, which did not revive him.
From what I gather, HOURS actually passed while "Mary" continued
chatting in the chatroom. It has been said that she just thought that
"Mark" was in a "heavy nod." He was snoring. Then after this rather
long period of time, "Mark" stopped snoring, and, EVENTUALLY, "Mary"
finally called for an ambulance. From what I have heard, "Mark" died
soon after he arrived at the hospital, but I am not completely sure
when he died.
Now, "Mary" is apparently in a great deal of trouble with the law.
Both she and her now dead husband were moderate users of heroin, but
by no means everyday "junkies." One more thing that may or may not be
important is that the two were not legally married, but had lived
together for a long time, and had two children together. "Mary" had
been sniffing heroin for quite a long time, and only in the past
couple of months had she started injecting the drug. "Mark" had
injected heroin on and off for years.
Again, "Mary" is in trouble with the law over the death of "Mark." I
have heard that they might pin a manslaughter charge her. She
obviously did not seek immediate medical attention for "Mark," but,
instead, waited hours to do so, and most likely did not give any form
of mouth to mouth respiration to assist him. It seems she just "kept
on eye" on him, and did little else.
I have no idea whether the police found drugs in their home. They did
confiscate her computer, which I imagine would have all kinds of
emails, and other misc. evidence, having to do with her regular heroin
use.
I would appreciate any feedback as to what, if anything, "Mary" might
be charged with, so far as the death of "Mark" is concerned. Is it
likely she could be charged with manslaughter, or some kind of gross
negligence regarding anothers life? Or, is it more likely that the
most she could possibly be charged with be that she was under the
influence of a controlled substance, or, should they have found the
drugs, that she would get a simple possession charge?
One more thing...would the logs of her chatting away in a chatroom
while "Mark" lay dying, if they got into the hands of the authorities,
be legitimate evidence of her seeming lack of concern over the welfare
of her dying partner?
If anyone has any answers to my questions, please respond to this post
at your earliest convenience. Thank you in advance.
Did they enter the dance contest at Jackrabbit Slim's before they snorted the
white?
 
 
cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher Green)
2/21/2004 8:19:18 PM


auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson) wrote in message news:<98ee423f.0402210919.111174b1@posting.google.com>...
A couple of weeks ago, someone that I do not know died of an overdose
of heroin. The only reason I know anything about this is because the
man who overdosed and died had a wife whom I knew rather well from a
chatroom I frequented.
[long story made short]
Again, "Mary" is in trouble with the law over the death of "Mark." I
have heard that they might pin a manslaughter charge her. She
obviously did not seek immediate medical attention for "Mark," but,
instead, waited hours to do so, and most likely did not give any form
of mouth to mouth respiration to assist him. It seems she just "kept
on eye" on him, and did little else....
I would appreciate any feedback as to what, if anything, "Mary" might
be charged with, so far as the death of "Mark" is concerned. Is it
likely she could be charged with manslaughter, or some kind of gross
negligence regarding anothers life? Or, is it more likely that the
most she could possibly be charged with be that she was under the
influence of a controlled substance, or, should they have found the
drugs, that she would get a simple possession charge?
It would vary a great deal with the state and the ability (and
ambition) of the local DA. I could see it being anything from
involuntary manslaughter to second-degree murder.
It might be instructive to review the various degrees of manslaughter
and murder. California, and many other places, distinguish at least
four degrees:
* First-degree murder. This is generally premeditated, or committed in
the course of certain violent felonies. If "special circumstances" are
involved, the death penalty can be in scope. Nothing you mention
suggests this, unless her state makes allowing a person to die in the
course of ordinary drug use out to be "felony murder".
* Second-degree murder. This lacks premeditation, but still requires
malice, in this case an extreme indifference to human life. Willfully
failing to seek medical assistance for someone whose life is in
danger, as it appears she did, is arguably the sort of "abandoned and
malignant heart" needed to sustain a second-degree murder conviction.
The logs that appear to indicate she was indifferent or at best little
concerned, and took hours to seek assistance, would support
second-degree murder.
* Voluntary manslaughter. The difference between second-degree murder
and voluntary manslaughter is often fine and intensely argued. The
classic voluntary manslaughter case is one in which someone is killed
in a fight. Since this requires some kind of intent falling short of
malice, I don't see it applying.
* Involuntary manslaughter. Some states call this "negligent
homicide". This is allowing (or causing) someone to die through one's
negligence rather than through a deliberate or depraved sort of
action. This is probably about the best face one could put on her
action: an ordinary person would be concerned enough to seek medical
attention if someone collapses while doing drugs; a regular drug user
might even be expected to be more alert to the danger and more prompt
to act.
One more thing...would the logs of her chatting away in a chatroom
while "Mark" lay dying, if they got into the hands of the authorities,
be legitimate evidence of her seeming lack of concern over the welfare
of her dying partner?
Probably. At best, they don't help; if the prosecution gets them
admitted as evidence and makes the case that they show her unconcern,
they could even support a murder charge. One objective of her defense
would be to make sure the logs don't get admitted; if they are
admitted, and they are as you portray them, they could be damning.
If anyone has any answers to my questions, please respond to this post
at your earliest convenience. Thank you in advance.
Rick Henderson
I'm not a lawyer. She needs a lawyer. Even putting the best face
possible on things, she is in serious trouble.
--
Chris Green
 
 
auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson)
2/22/2004 10:55:44 AM


cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher Green) wrote in message news:<c31fa7b1.0402212019.5f398d58@posting.google.com>...
auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson) wrote in message news:<98ee423f.0402210919.111174b1@posting.google.com>...
[long story made short]

It would vary a great deal with the state and the ability (and
ambition) of the local DA. I could see it being anything from
involuntary manslaughter to second-degree murder.
It might be instructive to review the various degrees of manslaughter
and murder. California, and many other places, distinguish at least
four degrees:
* First-degree murder. This is generally premeditated, or committed in
the course of certain violent felonies. If "special circumstances" are
involved, the death penalty can be in scope. Nothing you mention
suggests this, unless her state makes allowing a person to die in the
course of ordinary drug use out to be "felony murder".
* Second-degree murder. This lacks premeditation, but still requires
malice, in this case an extreme indifference to human life. Willfully
failing to seek medical assistance for someone whose life is in
danger, as it appears she did, is arguably the sort of "abandoned and
malignant heart" needed to sustain a second-degree murder conviction.
The logs that appear to indicate she was indifferent or at best little
concerned, and took hours to seek assistance, would support
second-degree murder.
* Voluntary manslaughter. The difference between second-degree murder
and voluntary manslaughter is often fine and intensely argued. The
classic voluntary manslaughter case is one in which someone is killed
in a fight. Since this requires some kind of intent falling short of
malice, I don't see it applying.
* Involuntary manslaughter. Some states call this "negligent
homicide". This is allowing (or causing) someone to die through one's
negligence rather than through a deliberate or depraved sort of
action. This is probably about the best face one could put on her
action: an ordinary person would be concerned enough to seek medical
attention if someone collapses while doing drugs; a regular drug user
might even be expected to be more alert to the danger and more prompt
to act.
Probably. At best, they don't help; if the prosecution gets them
admitted as evidence and makes the case that they show her unconcern,
they could even support a murder charge. One objective of her defense
would be to make sure the logs don't get admitted; if they are
admitted, and they are as you portray them, they could be damning.
I'm not a lawyer. She needs a lawyer. Even putting the best face
possible on things, she is in serious trouble.
Here is a more lengthy version of the chat room log. The police have
confiscated her computer and can easily find the unabridged version of
this ver long unabridged log.
[22:22] <airwave> @$#*, steve passed out
[22:22] <airwave> half a bag, what a pussy
[22:22] <Miles> is he breathing?
[22:22] <airwave> he's got a pulse
[22:23] <airwave> i'll check
[22:24] * Joins: Erdrick
[22:24] <airwave> his tongue is han ging out he's breathing but won't
wake3 up
[22:24] <airwave> what do i do
[22:24] * Quits: pBong (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by
Erdrick)))
[22:24] * Erdrick is now known as pBong
[22:24] * NovaBot sets mode: +v pBong
[22:25] <Miles> jab him with some narcan/naltrexone if you have any,
that'll teach him
[22:25] <Miles> is he seriously that bad off?
[22:25] <airwave> he just6 fell on the floor hard
[22:26] <airwave> @$#*
At that time, she should call 911 and give him mouth-to-mouth. That
would
most likely have saved him.
<snip>
[23:05] <airwave> all of a sudden he was collapsed on the table
[23:05] <Ann_Hedonia> just asked if he had a douchebag full of heroin
[23:05] <Ann_Hedonia> good lord!
[23:05] <Ann_Hedonia> gadzooks!
[23:05] <airwave> all my yelling and cold water had no effect
[23:05] <machine99> poor guy
[23:05] <Ann_Hedonia> My psychiatrist had me take a drug test today -
what do think the results will be?
[23:06] <airwave> then he fell off the chair onto his head
[23:06] <Ann_Hedonia> omg
[23:06] <Ann_Hedonia> give him a cookie
[23:06] <machine99> mouth-mouth!
[23:06] <airwave> he's laying here snoring now
[23:06] <airwave> i'll give him a pop tart
Again, she did nothing
I left 23:09 thinking she had things under control. What happened
after
that I don't know but I'm certain that the cops will get the logs from
the IRC network(or her computer) and that they will shut down the
channel.
At least that's what I think, most IRC networks keep logs in case of
'abuse'.
I ESPECIALLY like the part where the partner "Airwave" makes the
mention of "giving him a pop tart!!!" I am sure the DA wont be too
impressed with this rather flippant sign of lack of concern for her
near-dead partner, an hour after he had gone unconscious. Anyone care
to speculate about this more detailed log. Rick Henderson
 
 
auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson)
2/22/2004 11:00:04 AM


cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher Green) wrote in message news:<c31fa7b1.0402212019.5f398d58@posting.google.com>...
auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson) wrote in message news:<98ee423f.0402210919.111174b1@posting.google.com>...
[long story made short]

It would vary a great deal with the state and the ability (and
ambition) of the local DA. I could see it being anything from
involuntary manslaughter to second-degree murder.
It might be instructive to review the various degrees of manslaughter
and murder. California, and many other places, distinguish at least
four degrees:
* First-degree murder. This is generally premeditated, or committed in
the course of certain violent felonies. If "special circumstances" are
involved, the death penalty can be in scope. Nothing you mention
suggests this, unless her state makes allowing a person to die in the
course of ordinary drug use out to be "felony murder".
* Second-degree murder. This lacks premeditation, but still requires
malice, in this case an extreme indifference to human life. Willfully
failing to seek medical assistance for someone whose life is in
danger, as it appears she did, is arguably the sort of "abandoned and
malignant heart" needed to sustain a second-degree murder conviction.
The logs that appear to indicate she was indifferent or at best little
concerned, and took hours to seek assistance, would support
second-degree murder.
* Voluntary manslaughter. The difference between second-degree murder
and voluntary manslaughter is often fine and intensely argued. The
classic voluntary manslaughter case is one in which someone is killed
in a fight. Since this requires some kind of intent falling short of
malice, I don't see it applying.
* Involuntary manslaughter. Some states call this "negligent
homicide". This is allowing (or causing) someone to die through one's
negligence rather than through a deliberate or depraved sort of
action. This is probably about the best face one could put on her
action: an ordinary person would be concerned enough to seek medical
attention if someone collapses while doing drugs; a regular drug user
might even be expected to be more alert to the danger and more prompt
to act.
Probably. At best, they don't help; if the prosecution gets them
admitted as evidence and makes the case that they show her unconcern,
they could even support a murder charge. One objective of her defense
would be to make sure the logs don't get admitted; if they are
admitted, and they are as you portray them, they could be damning.
I'm not a lawyer. She needs a lawyer. Even putting the best face
possible on things, she is in serious trouble.
The state is Wisconsin, a moderate-sized community not TOO far from
Chicago where SHE alone went to score the heroin, her partner did not
do the scoring.
 
 
Mike Helm
2/22/2004 1:07:04 PM


On 21 Feb 2004 20:19:18 -0800, cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher
* Involuntary manslaughter. Some states call this "negligent
homicide". This is allowing (or causing) someone to die through one's
negligence rather than through a deliberate or depraved sort of
action. This is probably about the best face one could put on her
action: an ordinary person would be concerned enough to seek medical
attention if someone collapses while doing drugs; a regular drug user
might even be expected to be more alert to the danger and more prompt
to act.
IM(non-lawyerly)O (which would make it more or a jury-member opinion),
this could be the only one that even comes close to applying.
Bear in mind these points:
*he willfully took the drugs, which included xanax (a bad combo
from what I read elsewhere)
*he had more experience with H than she did (again, read
elsewhere regarding this case)
*She was concerned, but failed to realize the gravity of the
situation until too late
*She herself was quite possibly operating with diminished
capacity due to her own use
There wasn't any intent to do harm, and having to live with the
knowledge that she could have saved someone she loved, IMO, is
punishment enough.
Nothing good will come of any sentence that could be given to her and
their children will only be traumatized that much more.
 
 
"Naughtius \"The Twinkies Made Me Do It\" Maximus"
2/22/2004 1:15:51 PM




"Rick Henderson" <auto345112@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:98ee423f.0402210919.111174b1@posting.google.com...

A couple of weeks ago, someone that I do not know died of an overdose
of heroin. The only reason I know anything about this is because the
man who overdosed and died had a wife whom I knew rather well from a
chatroom I frequented. Let me give you the story:
The husband had been drinking, and had taken a couple of valiums, or
similar tranquilizers. Then, soon afterwards. he injected himself with
a "half a bag" of heroin
So, what you're saying here, is that "Mark" is the Sole Actor WRT his
Drug & Alcohol Injuries which precipitated his Own Death? That "Mary" took
No Part in those Actions... [Drinking... Ingesting Valium... Injecting
Heroin] that she Did Not Force Alohol into his body... Did Not Force Valium
down his throat... and Did Not Herself Tie Off and Inject Heroin into Mark's
Vein? That Mark, Of His Own Free Will, Independent of Any Aid from Mary or
Others, Imbibed of, and Consumed ALL Drug Intake?
(I have no idea how much heroin that is).
Very, very soon thereafter, the wife, who was in the chatroom during
the time her husband had injected the heroin,
Guess you Do Mean To Say that Mark "Didit All By Hisself"...
and presumably had also
injected some heroin as well,
Wholly Irrelevent...
typed that "Mark" had passed out, saying
"what a pussy; only a half bag." Someone in the chatroom suggested
she take his pulse. The wife did take his pulse, and said he had a
pulse. Some other chatter then said to give the husband mouth to
mouth respiration. I do not know if this was done, but apparently
some time passed, and this wife, let us call her "Mary," finally tried
to revive him, by putting cold water on him, which did not revive him.
Well, particularly In The Absence Of Any Act(s) by a Bystander which is
The Direct Cause of... that Directly Led to the Life... Health... Welfare
Endangering Conditon, There is No Requirement To Perform a "Rescue" which
can be the Subject of Criminal Prohibition... Perhaps there *is* a Civil
Duty to Perform a Rescue, but that would only be so in the Event of Some
Special Relationship... Such as Parent-Child... Master-Servant... or
Principle-Agent...
From what I gather, HOURS actually passed while "Mary" continued
chatting in the chatroom. It has been said that she just thought that
"Mark" was in a "heavy nod." He was snoring. Then after this rather
long period of time, "Mark" stopped snoring, and, EVENTUALLY, "Mary"
finally called for an ambulance.
And there's The Rescue Mary performed even though she was Under No Duty
to do so...
From what I have heard, "Mark" died
soon after he arrived at the hospital,
DESPITE Mary's Best Efforts...
[Snip Irrelevence]
Again, "Mary" is in trouble with the law over the death of "Mark." I
have heard that they might pin a manslaughter charge her.
They might try to pin a "Second Gunman On The Grassy Knoll charge on her
as well... to the Same Effect...
She
obviously did not seek immediate medical attention for "Mark," but,
instead, waited hours to do so, and most likely did not give any form
of mouth to mouth respiration to assist him. It seems she just "kept
on eye" on him, and did little else.
But even at that, she MORE than met a Standard Of Care which she was
Under No Duty to Undertake... Criminally or Civilly...
I have no idea whether the police found drugs in their home. They did
confiscate her computer, which I imagine would have all kinds of
emails, and other misc. evidence, having to do with her regular heroin
use.
Evidently, Mary, in a Drug-Induced Stupor, made "Admissions" which gave
the Suck-Ass Pigs Probable Cause to Arrest Mary... I'm not sure the
Impoundment of her computer, ostensibly for purposes of an Evidence Search
would have been legal under a "Search Incident To Arrest" Theory...
I would appreciate any feedback as to what, if anything, "Mary" might
be charged with, so far as the death of "Mark" is concerned.
IF your account of the Facts is Accurate, Mary need only worry about her
Own Drug Use and the loss of her Significant Other...
1. There is no Actus Reus attributable to Mary which caused Mark's
[Self-Induced] Death 2. There is no Criminally Proscribed Duty of "Failure
To Rescue"
Is it
likely she could be charged with manslaughter,
Again, NO..
or some kind of gross
negligence regarding anothers life?
And of course, "gross negligence" is a Flavor of Tort and NOT a Crime one
can be "Charged" with...
Or, is it more likely that the
most she could possibly be charged with be that she was under the
influence of a controlled substance, or, should they have found the
drugs, that she would get a simple possession charge?
Depends on what She Admitted to the SA Pigs or what they Discovered In
Plain Sight...
One more thing...would the logs of her chatting away in a chatroom
while "Mark" lay dying, if they got into the hands of the authorities,
be legitimate evidence of her seeming lack of concern over the welfare
of her dying partner?
Done answered that Question 3 times already...
If anyone has any answers to my questions, please respond to this post
at your earliest convenience. Thank you in advance.
Rick Henderson
Naughtius "I Wonder Why They Call It ""Dope?"" Maximus
 
 
cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher Green)
2/22/2004 6:48:46 PM


auto345112@hushmail.com (Rick Henderson) wrote in message news:<98ee423f.0402221100.ee6ae56@posting.google.com>...
cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher Green) wrote in message news:<c31fa7b1.0402212019.5f398d58@posting.google.com>...
[big snip]
I'm not a lawyer. She needs a lawyer. Even putting the best face
possible on things, she is in serious trouble.
The state is Wisconsin, a moderate-sized community not TOO far from
Chicago where SHE alone went to score the heroin, her partner did not
do the scoring.
Wisconsin has "reckless homicide": "first-degree reckless homicide"
(Statutes 940.02) closely resembles second-degree murder elsewhere. It
specifically includes causing death by distributing dangerous drugs
that somebody dies from. Wisconsin DAs often charge FDRH in this
situation; it can be a class B or class C felony, depending on whether
the prosecution can prove "utter disregard for human life". She could
be facing as much as 40 or 60 years in prison.
See for example http://www.nvo.com/beaulier/firstdegreemurder/,
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_4508282.shtml,
and http://www.beloitdailynews.com/402/1wis9.htm
She needs a lawyer. You need to refrain from publishing evidence that
could be used against her.
--
Not a lawyer,
Chris Green
 
 
cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher Green)
2/23/2004 9:24:17 AM


Mike Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<hf2i305q29nfcq59dvnfksed7ug62i1f69@4ax.com>...
On 21 Feb 2004 20:19:18 -0800, cj.green@worldnet.att.net (Christopher
IM(non-lawyerly)O (which would make it more or a jury-member opinion),
this could be the only one that even comes close to applying.
Bear in mind these points:
*he willfully took the drugs, which included xanax (a bad combo
from what I read elsewhere)
*he had more experience with H than she did (again, read
elsewhere regarding this case)
*She was concerned, but failed to realize the gravity of the
situation until too late
*She herself was quite possibly operating with diminished
capacity due to her own use
There wasn't any intent to do harm, and having to live with the
knowledge that she could have saved someone she loved, IMO, is
punishment enough.
Nothing good will come of any sentence that could be given to her and
their children will only be traumatized that much more.
Unfortunately for her, state is Wisconsin (see the OP's other posts),
where charges that describe her situation closely are "first-degree
negligent homicide" -- which is a near equivalent to second-degree
murder elsewhere. If evidence that she furnished the drugs and she
ignored his obvious need for medical assistance were used against her,
it would be damning, and she could get as much as 60 years.
--
Not a lawyer,
Chris Green
 
 
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