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The following is a quote from the "Federalist Papers", the series of letters authored by the founding fathers arguing for the adoption of the US Constitution. In this quote from the same, the author(s) clearly argue that the Federal judiciary should disallow any law which gives preferential treatment to any sector of the populace as being clearly un Constitutional. However, it is clearly the case that the Federal and State courts have ignored this injunction by the framers of the U.S. Constitution and illegally promulgated "reverse discrimination". The quote is as follows: LIBRARY OF THE FUTURE (R) 4th Edition Ver. 5.0 Federalist Papers (US) Historical Document Scr 760: 860 --------------------------------------------------------- This independence of the judges is equally requisite to guard the Constitution and the rights of individuals from the effects of those ill humors, which the arts of designing men, or the influence of particular conjunctures, sometimes disseminate among the people themselves, and which, though they speedily give place to better information, and more deliberate reflection, have a tendency, in the meantime, to occasion dangerous innovations in the government, and serious oppressions of the minor party in the community. Though I trust the friends of the proposed Constitution will never concur with its enemies, in questioning that fundamental principle of republican government, which admits the right of the people to alter or abolish the established Constitution, whenever they find it inconsistent with their happiness, yet it is not to be inferred from this principle, that the representatives of the people, whenever a momentary inclination happens to lay hold of a majority of their constituents, incompatible with the provisions in the existing Constitution, would, on that account, be justifiable in a violation of those provisions; or that the courts would be under a greater obligation to connive at infractions in this shape, than when they had proceeded wholly from the cabals of the representative body. Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon themselves collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption, or even knowledge, of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives in a departure from it, prior to such an act. But it is easy to see, that it would require an uncommon portion of fortitude in the judges to do their duty as faithful guardians of the Constitution, where legislative invasions of it had been instigated by the major voice of the community. But it is not with a view to infractions of the Constitution only, that the independence of the judges may be an essential safeguard against the effects of occasional ill humors in the society. These sometimes extend no farther than to the injury of the private rights of particular classes of citizens, by unjust and partial laws. Here also the firmness of the judicial magistracy is of vast importance in mitigating the severity and confining the operation of such laws. It not only serves to moderate the immediate mischiefs of those which may have been passed, but it operates as a check upon the legislative body in passing them; who, perceiving that obstacles to the success of iniquitous intention are to be expected from the scruples of the courts, are in a manner compelled, by the very motives of the injustice they meditate, to qualify their attempts. This is a circumstance calculated to have more influence upon the character of our governments, than but few may be aware of. The benefits of the integrity and moderation of the judiciary have already been felt in more States than one; and though they may have displeased those whose sinister expectations they may have disappointed, they must have commanded the esteem and applause of all the virtuous and disinterested. Considerate men, of every description, ought to prize whatever will tend to beget or fortify that temper in the courts; as no man can be sure that he may not be tomorrow the victim of a spirit of injustice, by which he may be a gainer today. And every man must now feel, that the inevitable tendency of such a spirit is to sap the foundations of public and private confidence, and to introduce in its stead universal distrust and distress.
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The people who wrote the Federalist Papers were all men and all of Western European ancestry. Many of them were slaveholders. Also, the Federalist Papers were written before the Constitution existed in its present form. In any case, affirmative action is consistent with the 14th Amendment, which IS part of the Constitution. And the programs are specificaly authorized by federal statutes, which do have the force of law just like the Constitution does :-) ***** Tim Horrigan <horrigan@aol.com> *****
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"Isaac" <isaac@latveria.castledoom.org> wrote Sure- the result of their integrity is that we no longer hold hereditary slaves. It's the natural extension of the rights that they demanded on their own behalf.
That's complete revisionist crap. It took a civil war and three
amendments
to the constitution shoved down the throats of half of the states.
Yeah; over a fairly short time as national movements go in opposition to a milennia of practice. We freed ourselves by 1790, stopped the international slave trade in 1806, stopped it in the Northern States by 1840 or so, and completely by the end of the WbtStates.
The original constitution fully supported the institution of slavery and was
not
intended to respect the rights of blacks. If you want to know what people of that era really thought about equal rights read the Dred Scott opinion for an excellent summary.
People thought all sorts of odd things at the time. The Barbary Coast muslims were taking whites as slaves- that's what the war was about, and the Treaty of Tripoli. As we understood the implications of the claims in the DoIndependence, we extended the franchise further and further; from land-owning males only, to the present situation- in a fairly short time, considering the state of communication and large social movements of the times.
And even the end of slavery did not result in anything like equal rights for ex slaves.
By the end of Reconstruction, the title 42 provisions were in place (1875 or so?) (1986, 1985, 1983).
Yes rights for people of all races was a natural extension of the rights
they
demanded on their own behalf. So what explains the fact that they didn't see it that way.
People still thought that maybe negroes weren't fully evolved humans- that view wasn't challenged much until the publications of Origin of Species in the mid-1830's or so. It was widely held well into the late nineteenth century.
Slavery is evil, period. Even as punishment for crimes it turned out to
be
an abusive institution which denied basic human rights.
Why don't you go tell the active slavers about that? East Africa is full of them, as are the Arab Emirates, down into SEAsia and up to the Filipines. Chas
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LIBRARY OF THE FUTURE (R) 4th Edition Ver. 5.0 Sophistical Refutations Aristotle Scr 6: 101 --------------------------------------------------------- First we must grasp the number of aims entertained by those who argue as competitors and rivals to the death. These are five in number, refutation, fallacy, paradox, solecism, and fifthly to reduce the opponent in the discussion to babbling- i.e. to constrain him to repeat himself a number of times: or it is to produce the appearance of each of these things without the reality. For they choose if possible plainly to refute the other party, or as the second best to show that he is committing some fallacy, or as a third best to lead him into paradox, or fourthly to reduce him to solecism, i.e. to make the answerer, in consequence of the argument, to use an ungrammatical expression; or, as a last resort, to make him repeat himself. 4 - There are two styles of refutation: for some depend on the language used, while some are independent of language. Those ways of producing the false appearance of an argument which depend on language are six in number: they are ambiguity, amphiboly, combination, division of words, accent, form of expression. Of this we may assure ourselves both by induction, and by syllogistic proof based on this- and it may be on other assumptions as well- that this is the number of ways in which we might fail to mean the same thing by the same names or expressions. Arguments such as the following depend upon ambiguity.
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