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----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are some fundamental contrasts between what is an actual Xian verses "casper milktoast" phony xians: True-Xians believe: 1) The canon of Judeo-Xian scriptures is the word of God as testified to by men & women who were inspired by the spirit to be writing/dictating. While we know there were probably minor errors in copying and translating the bible, its inte- grity has survived. It's truly the word of God, and is likely better than 99.99% verbatim what was originally intended by its ancient authors. 2) Jesus Christ is everything and much, much more than the bible says he was, is and will always be. Is he truly the son of the almighty God of of the universe? True-Xians know to answer Yes. Is Jesus one with God the father? Indeed he is. Did he die for our sins? God knows that he did. Is Jesus God? Indeed, you have said that he is. 3) There are divine laws of superconscious origin, meaning God all-knowingly, all-intelligently & all-presently created the entire universe with divine purpose infinitely exceeding every mans ability to fully comprehend it. God is smarter than we are. True-Xians are humble before YHWH, the ancient Hebrew name for the God of Abraham; said to be unpronounceable, though some say it is pronounced "YaoHu'WaH", "YaHWeH" or Jehovah. 4) True-Xians, at least here in the United States of America, are zealously honest, hard working and patriotic citizens of our great nation. We will sacrifice life and limb to defend the USA against enemy forces, and we'll wholeheartedly support our Commander and Chief in war & peace. 5) As the 21st century continues to unfold, we're fighting fanatical Muslim jihadists-terrorists around the globe. This is shaping up to be our Xian Crusade against Anti-Judeo-Xian militants. Ever since September 11, 2001, America and her allies are fighting world war three, and there are bound to be more attacks against Americans, Israelis, and other nations sympathetic to our cause of bringing freedom and democracy to the world--with peace, prosperity, rights, and pri- vileges for responsible, law-abiding citizenry. True-Xians understand Anti-Xians are the enemy, be they foreigners, or unpatriotic "americans". For one to be Anti-American is to be Anti-Xian. 6) Late-term abortions are most definitely murder. The loving mother MUST be willing to sacrifice her life to save the life of a child. A father must be similarly willing to sacrifice himself to save a child's life. As for first-trimester abortions, a pregnant woman ultimately decides, although both mother and father must recognize that there'll be hell to pay for such iniquity. Is it as evil as late-term abortion? Maybe not, but preventing pregnancy is the best way to go. In other words DON'T put God to a foolish test. 7) Family is the cornerstone of civilization. Any- one who doesn't respect the sanctity of Family is Anti-Xian. A True-Xian roundly condemns all forms of sodomy and homosexuality, and we must fight against same-sex "marriage" to the death if need be. We'll NEVER sanction homosexuality. ______________________________________________ False-Xians believe: 1) The canon of Judeo-Xian scriptures is only par- tially correct. You can reject any part of the bible which you don't understand or agree with. Part of it says to love your enemy while other parts instruct us to punish and kill the enemy. Just because the bible clearly states that you can love -AND- kill the enemy, we'll simply ig- nore the bible verses that we don't agree with. 2) Jesus Christ was an extraordinary man, but was nevertheless just a man. The "resurrection" of Jesus is only a metaphor for spiritual healing. To believe that Jesus or anybody else actually rose from the dead is preposterous, impossible and just as ludicrous as Jesus' "virgin birth". 3) Man made "God" in his own image. We came first, thus "God" is but a figment of our imagination. There's no illimitable omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent conscious creator of the entire universe anywhere in corporeal existence. What we call "God" should only be referred to as an "it", not a "he". But if you want to call it a "she", then that's okay, since it's "shocking" to true-Xians who believe in a heavenly father of the whole universe, one God who is aware of every atom and molecule, every star and galaxy, every form of matter, from nothing to infinity. That is merely absurd to believe in such a God. 4) False-Xians, at least here in America, are sel- dom very zealous, but we're mostly honest with those who we trust. We are pretty hard working, but our patriotism is lukewarm. We like to pro- test against war no matter what its cause. And we do NOT want true-Xian values in politics or science, in law or education. But it's okay if true-Xians want to worship hidden away from so- ciety in a church somewhere...just stay out of public view and stay away from our White House! Let's dismantle our military, and surrender to foreign UN control. Return Saddam to Iraq, and let's bring all of our troops home to stay. We have no business meddling in foreign countries, and we're worried about what Anti-Xian foreign nations think about the United States. If they hate us, it's strictly the fault of true-Xians who are giving America such a "bad" name. This is why we need to ban true-Xians from entering American law and politics. That's the solution. 5) As the 21st century continues to unfold, we're fighting fanatical true-Xians around the globe. Ever since September 11, 2001, America and her allies are trying to hurt and kill nothing but innocent civilians. The USA has lied to us and they lie about Saddam. False-Xians are all for peace, prosperity, rights, and privileges, but we reject responsibility and any laws we don't agree with. Also, let's stop supporting Israel. Anti-Xians understand True-Xians are the enemy, those in foreign lands and patriotic Americans. To be Anti-American is to be a real False-Xian. 6) Late-term, or even partial-birth abortions are NOT murder! The mother can sacrifice her child to save her own life. The father can sacrifice the child to
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Pretty close! Actually the Bible IS God's own words as He INSPIRED the word into the ears of the human writers. They were serving only as vessels of the Word and did not change anything nor let their own personalities into any of it. Picture God standing beside, say, Moses, and speaking the EXACT words to write down. That is where the Bible came from. Incontestable, complete, absolute Word of the One True Living God.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are some fundamental contrasts between what is an actual Xian verses "casper milktoast" phony xians: True-Xians believe: 1) The canon of Judeo-Xian scriptures is the word of God as testified to by men & women who were inspired by the spirit to be writing/dictating. While we know there were probably minor errors in copying and translating the bible, its inte- grity has survived. It's truly the word of God, and is likely better than 99.99% verbatim what was originally intended by its ancient authors. 2) Jesus Christ is everything and much, much more than the bible says he was, is and will always be. Is he truly the son of the almighty God of of the universe? True-Xians know to answer Yes. Is Jesus one with God the father? Indeed he is. Did he die for our sins? God knows that he did. Is Jesus God? Indeed, you have said that he is. 3) There are divine laws of superconscious origin, meaning God all-knowingly, all-intelligently & all-presently created the entire universe with divine purpose infinitely exceeding every mans ability to fully comprehend it. God is smarter than we are. True-Xians are humble before YHWH, the ancient Hebrew name for the God of Abraham;
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On 23 Feb 2004 23:59:45 +0100, Adiudicator <Adiudicator.Pro@God.Bless.America> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are some fundamental contrasts between what is an actual Xian verses "casper milktoast" phony xians:
Thanks for sharing. <plonk> *Dan Evans *"One is not superior merely because one *sees the world as odious." *Francios Rene de Chateaubriand (1768-1848).
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There are some fundamental contrasts between what is an actual Xian verses "casper milktoast" phony xians:
Is a true-Xian a false Christian and a false-Xian a true Christian? Gordon L. Burditt
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"Gordon Burditt" <gordonb.e2x1m@sneaky.lerctr.org> ha scritto nel messaggio news:c1em4a$rvd@library2.airnews.net...
Is a true-Xian a false Christian and a false-Xian a true Christian?
....And who is, this Lu Wu Xian? :) Namib
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diudicator <Adiudicator.Pro@God.Bless.America> wrote in news:Q4RZC6AJ38040.9992708333@Gilgamesh-Frog.org:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are some fundamental contrasts between what is an actual Xian verses "casper milktoast" phony xians: True-Xians believe: 1) The canon of Judeo-Xian scriptures is the word of God as testified to by men & women who were inspired by the spirit to be writing/dictating.
Hmmm....I read through the ancient creeds of the Church, you know, those statements of faith designed to separate heretics from "True Christians (TM)." None of them mention this clause. It seems as if it only really appears in the history of Christian literature about the time Luther and Calvin were kicking over the traces of apostolic authority.
While we know there were probably minor errors in copying and translating the bible, its inte- grity has survived. It's truly the word of God, and is likely better than 99.99% verbatim what was originally intended by its ancient authors.
This of course is not relevant to the FUNDAMENTAL fact that you have enunciated an entirely novel doctrine above. It's nice that our copies of the Bible are accurate, but not relevant to your claim above.
2) Jesus Christ is everything and much, much more than the bible says he was, is and will always be. Is he truly the son of the almighty God of of the universe? True-Xians know to answer Yes. Is Jesus one with God the father? Indeed he is. Did he die for our sins? God knows that he did. Is Jesus God? Indeed, you have said that he is.
This is in the ancient creeds, so yes, unless you believe it, you're not Christian.
3) There are divine laws of superconscious origin, meaning God all-knowingly, all-intelligently & all-presently created the entire universe with divine purpose infinitely exceeding every mans ability to fully comprehend it. God is smarter than we are. True-Xians are humble before YHWH, the ancient Hebrew name for the God of Abraham; said to be unpronounceable, though some say it is pronounced "YaoHu'WaH", "YaHWeH" or Jehovah.
There is no actual pronunciation for the tetragrammaton. Jewish believers never pronounce the name of God or even try to. They generally substitute Adonai (meaning "Lord") in its place and the vowel points used are those of that word. That Christians are humble before God is a given, but heretics are usually NOT humble before God. Instead, they are arrogant before Him, demanding that others bow before THEM.
4) True-Xians, at least here in the United States of America, are zealously honest, hard working and patriotic citizens of our great nation. We will sacrifice life and limb to defend the USA against enemy forces, and we'll wholeheartedly support our Commander and Chief in war & peace.
Nonsense. TRUE Christians will ask all the same questions that any peacenik is asking. They may not come to the same answers, but they support no civil authority, only that of God. If the civil authority demands worship of false gods, such as Mammon or Moloch, then the civil authority MUST NOT BE OBEYED in these demands.
5) As the 21st century continues to unfold, we're fighting fanatical Muslim jihadists-terrorists around the globe. This is shaping up to be our Xian Crusade against Anti-Judeo-Xian militants.
I don't know if this crusade is so much Christian is it is Mammonite. There is too much oil and $$$ mixed with the blood of the sacrifices. True Christians cannot lend themselves to war for these goals. There IS such a thing as a "just war" but we must always question our political leadership's motives. If we stop doing that, we may be led into supporting a cult that worships not God, but the power of military might and money. There were excellent reasons for going to war in Afghanistan and even some good ones (but not the ones you were given) for going to war in Iraq. But your leaders held Saddam's coat while he attacked Iran (twice) for no other reason than that he wanted their territory and oil, then turned on him when he extrapolated that "support" to taking Kuwait's territory and oil. No matter what the Iranians did to YOU, there was no excuse for that and your nation owes Iran an apology for it at the very least.
Ever since September 11, 2001, America and her allies are fighting world war three, and there are bound to be more attacks against Americans, Israelis, and other nations sympathetic to our cause of bringing freedom and democracy to the world--with peace, prosperity, rights, and pri- vileges for responsible, law-abiding citizenry. True-Xians understand Anti-Xians are the enemy, be they foreigners, or unpatriotic "americans". For one to be Anti-American is to be Anti-Xian.
Yeah, right. Just what yofe need. A fascist dictatorship running around checking whether people are "True-Xians." You know what. I think YOU are working for Satan and you're trying to undermine the faith of Christians in Jesus Christ and move it to some fancy made-up religion you've created by trying to rewrite the creed. I'll take the Nicene Creed as MY test of what is Christian and what is not and you can go to hell with your false creeds and screeds. How's that?
6) Late-term abortions are most definitely murder. The loving mother MUST be willing to sacrifice her life to save the life of a child. A father must be similarly willing to sacrifice himself to save a child's life. As for first-trimester abortions, a pregnant woman ultimately decides, although both mother and father must recognize that there'll be hell to pay for such iniquity. Is it as evil as late-term abortion? Maybe not, but preventing pregnancy is the best way to go. In other words DON'T put God to a foolish test.
While I agree that abortion is an evil, we must not remove from doctors the right to do triage. A doctor treating a pregnant woman has two patients to consider, not just one. Sometimes disease or injury will create a situation where the prognosis dictates the treatment and sometimes terminating a pregnancy is the indicated treatment. If it DOES come down to saving either the mother or the child, then I would leave that decision with her, her doctor, and any spiritual advisers she may wish to consult, not demand politically that she "sacrifice" herself for the child.
7) Family is the cornerstone of civilization. Any- one who doesn't resp
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"Yeah Rite" <YeahRite@here.net> wrote in news:WQx_b.1214$Ri6.1001@lakeread04:
Pretty close! Actually the Bible IS God's own words as He INSPIRED the word into the ears of the human writers. They were serving only as vessels of the Word and did not change anything nor let their own personalities into any of it. Picture God standing beside, say, Moses, and speaking the EXACT words to write down. That is where the Bible came from. Incontestable, complete, absolute Word of the One True Living God.
And another idolater speaks up. When will you people realize that you cannot press God into a book like a dead leaf. -- Dave Oldridge ICQ 1800667 Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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gordonb.e2x1m@sneaky.lerctr.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote in news:c1em4a $rvd@library2.airnews.net: There are some fundamental contrasts between what is an actual Xian verses "casper milktoast" phony xians:
Is a true-Xian a false Christian and a false-Xian a true Christian?
No, Xian is some kind of Amerikan thing. I don't think it has anything to do with Christians. -- Dave Oldridge ICQ 1800667 Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote
Hmmm....I read through the ancient creeds of the Church, you know, those statements of faith designed to separate heretics from "True Christians (TM)." None of them mention this clause. It seems as if it only really appears in the history of Christian literature about the time Luther and Calvin were kicking over the traces of apostolic authority.
I don't generally do fan letters, but; what an absolutely sterling post, sir. Chas
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