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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message news:<ztJ_b.50121$mU6.200860@newsb.telia.net>...
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet news:a2b3af3e.0402240637.146ae7e6@posting.google.com... news:<c1b9c1$1ga7uh$1@ID-211658.news.uni-berlin.de>... In news:q79g30hga7jrt02bq8akvq0iie4l6al2s2@4ax.com, Eelhouse <arse@panties.net> wrote: [...] long" !! []> "No Holes - No Holocaust" is starting to make me disbelieve. "No holes - no Holocaust" is rubbish. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Yet+does+this+mean+they+were+never+there%2 2&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=0 I suggest that George and other who doubt would take themselves time to read Law reports of trials of war criminals. Vol. 10, The I.G. Farben and Krupp trials London : Published for the United Nations War Crimes Commission by > > > H.M.S.O. 1949 other title: The I.G. Farben and Krupp trials
### Thanks for the Tip, but it is by no means a response to my
Question (about the holes). As for the trials (IMT,etc. and others)in
you mentioned, I recommend to read on the Nizkor Website:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-02-charter
<quote>
Article 19. The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical
rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest
possible extent expeditious and non-technical procedure, and
shall admit any evidence which it deems to have probative
value.
....
Article 25. All official documents shall be produced, and
all court proceedings conducted in English, French, and
Russian, and in the language of the Defendant. So much of
the record and of the record and of the proceedings may also
be translated into the language of any country in which the
Tribunal is sitting, as the Tribunal considers desirable in
the interests of justice and public opinion.
</quote>
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George B,
I can't see in any way that evidence weren't enough. On the contrary. While
working two years for a German Company here in Sweden, with more than one
working for the Company who had participated on the German side in the war,
I can tell you that what I was shown from IG Farben's participation in the
killing of Jews, Gypsies and crippeled persons were worse than anything
shown in books or on TV. Worst of all, at least one of them was still proud
that he had participated.
I suggest you to read about IG Farben you will have all evidence you need to
prove that the Holocast was as it's said.
Inger E
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:a2b3af3e.0402241132.125bc4df@posting.google.com...
"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
news:<ztJ_b.50121$mU6.200860@newsb.telia.net>...
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:a2b3af3e.0402240637.146ae7e6@posting.google.com...
In news:q79g30hga7jrt02bq8akvq0iie4l6al2s2@4ax.com,
Eelhouse <arse@panties.net> wrote:
[...]
long" !!
[]>
"No Holes - No Holocaust" is starting to make me disbelieve.
"No holes - no Holocaust" is rubbish.
### Oops, Gord, This argument seems to upset you.
(No) Holes?
Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
About the holes van Pelt said:" Yet does this mean they were never
there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall of
1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the
wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would
have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not
certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to
attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the
bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the
holes, and thus restore the slab"
from: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html *)
This seems strange to me. Are we to believe that those holes simply
vanishes? Like Magic.
For those who propagate the "Holocaust":
Can you demonstrate the the holes for induction of Zyklon B in Krema
II on the drawings or ruins?
### Apologies, I have to specify what I mean by drawings, of course
original design drawings for the Krematoria (the morgue in the
basement)
Regards,
George
*) where van pelt is quoted elsewhere
[...]
### Thanks for the Tip, but it is by no means a response to my
Question (about the holes). As for the trials (IMT,etc. and others)in
you mentioned, I recommend to read on the Nizkor Website:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-02-charter
<quote>
Article 19. The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical
rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest
possible extent expeditious and non-technical procedure, and
shall admit any evidence which it deems to have probative
value.
...
Article 25. All official documents shall be produced, and
all court proceedings conducted in English, French, and
Russian, and in the language of the Defendant. So much of
the record and of the record and of the proceedings may also
be translated into the language of any country in which the
Tribunal is sitting, as the Tribunal considers desirable in
the interests of justice and public opinion.
</quote>
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(George B.) wrote:
"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in
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[snip]
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Yet+does+this+mean+they+were+nev
er+there%2 2&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=0
I suggest that George and other who doubt would take themselves
time to read
Law reports of trials of war criminals. Vol. 10, The I.G. Farben
and Krupp trials London : Published for the United Nations War
Crimes Commission by H.M.S.O. 1949 other title: The I.G. Farben
and Krupp trials
[...]
### Thanks for the Tip, but it is by no means a response to my
Question (about the holes). As for the trials (IMT,etc. and
others)in you mentioned, I recommend to read on the Nizkor Website:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-02-charter
<quote>
Article 19. The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical
rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest
possible extent expeditious and non-technical procedure, and
shall admit any evidence which it deems to have probative
value.
This article makes perfect sense if you think about it--which people
who post it as an example of the unfairness of the trials never do.
No one had ever run a multilateral court before. The court and
prosecution represented four nations with three distinct legal
traditions. The defendants represented a fourth distinct legal
traditon. The court was presented with problem of which technical
rules to follow: Anglo-American, French, Soviet, or German.
People who quote the article by itself also seem not to know or care
that the practices followed by the court worked as much in the favour
of the defense as of the prosecution. The best-known example is the
conduct of the court with respect to the Katyn massacre allegation
where the court not only refused to take judicial notice of the
Soviet report on the massacre but also refused to enter the report
into evidence. The court allowed rebuttal witnesses to be called
especially those who had been named by the Soviets in their oral
presentation.
...
Article 25. All official documents shall be produced, and
all court proceedings conducted in English, French, and
Russian, and in the language of the Defendant. So much of
the record and of the record and of the proceedings may also
be translated into the language of any country in which the
Tribunal is sitting, as the Tribunal considers desirable in
the interests of justice and public opinion.
</quote>
So?
But back to article 19. I have a challenge to offer to anybody
reading this thread.
The President of the IMT was Geoffrey Lawrence, the Lord Chief
Justice of England. One can assume that he had some experience at
conducting a fair trial. At the IMT, Lawrence made almost all of the
rulings from the bench on evidence, and he tended to follow British
practice.
The challenge is this: can you give us one example of a ruling on
evidence which would have been unfair to the defense under British
rules of evidence?
The point of the challenge is to understand how the trial was
conducted, so there is no point in reading your prejudices into the
wording of the IMT's articles of constitution, or quoting Latin legal
maxims, or attempting to divert discussion to abstract principles of
moral philosophy. I don't care about any of that. What I want are
practical rulings on evidence.
Feel free to quote Wigmore _On Evidence_.
Followups set to alt.revisionism, misc.legal
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John Morris <John.Morris@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message news:<hPN_b.83926$dP1.229526@newsc.telia.net>...
George B,
I can't see in any way that evidence weren't enough. On the contrary.
### Inger, we are discussing whether there is evidence for the Zyklon
B introduction holes or not. You are welcome to open a thread to
discuss issues relating to IG Farben!
... While
working two years for a German Company here in Sweden, with more than one
working for the Company who had participated on the German side in the war,
I can tell you that what I was shown from IG Farben's participation in the
killing of Jews, Gypsies and crippeled persons were worse than anything
shown in books or on TV.
### Was that 'dcoumentation' from IG Farben? What exactly was
IG-Farben accused of? Do you understand German. most stuff I have on
IG-Farben is in German.
Worst of all, at least one of them was still proud
that he had participated.
### Proud of what. Perhabs he was proud of the unique chemical
processes they utilized at MONOWITZ.
I suggest you to read about IG Farben you will have all evidence you need to
prove that the Holocast was as it's said.
### I guess that is all 'eye-wittness' testimony. Or do they also
present documents and physical evidence
Inger E "George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet news:a2b3af3e.0402241132.125bc4df@posting.google.com... news:<ztJ_b.50121$mU6.200860@newsb.telia.net>... "George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet news:a2b3af3e.0402240637.146ae7e6@posting.google.com... In news:q79g30hga7jrt02bq8akvq0iie4l6al2s2@4ax.com, Eelhouse <arse@panties.net> wrote: [...] long" !! []> "No Holes - No Holocaust" is starting to make me disbelieve. "No holes - no Holocaust" is rubbish. ### Oops, Gord, This argument seems to upset you. (No) Holes? Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some information from showing both sides of the controversy: http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/ About the holes van Pelt said:" Yet does this mean they were never there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall of 1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the holes, and thus restore the slab" from: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html *) This seems strange to me. Are we to believe that those holes simply vanishes? Like Magic. For those who propagate the "Holocaust": Can you demonstrate the the holes for induction of Zyklon B in Krema II on the drawings or ruins? |
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George,
in the mix of written in answers I can't find the last you wrote. Please
write those line seperately so I can answer your questions as good as
possible.
Inger E
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:a2b3af3e.0402250308.64a4add6@posting.google.com...
"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
news:<hPN_b.83926$dP1.229526@newsc.telia.net>...
George B,
I can't see in any way that evidence weren't enough. On the contrary.
### Inger, we are discussing whether there is evidence for the Zyklon
B introduction holes or not. You are welcome to open a thread to
discuss issues relating to IG Farben!
### Was that 'dcoumentation' from IG Farben? What exactly was
IG-Farben accused of? Do you understand German. most stuff I have on
IG-Farben is in German.
### Proud of what. Perhabs he was proud of the unique chemical
processes they utilized at MONOWITZ.
### I guess that is all 'eye-wittness' testimony. Or do they also
present documents and physical evidence
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message news:<XC%_b.50223$mU6.201616@newsb.telia.net>...
George,
in the mix of written in answers I can't find the last you wrote. Please
write those line seperately so I can answer your questions as good as
possible.
### Inger, the initial Question was wheter one can demonstrate that
there were holes (supossedly for Zyklon B insertion) on either the
- roof of the morgue of Krema II.
- original drawings of this building.
I then posted some additional information showing both sides of the
argument:
Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
About the holes van Pelt said:" Yet does this mean they were never
there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall of
1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the
wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would
have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not
certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to
attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the
bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the
holes, and thus restore the slab"
from: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
I usually start responses with ###.
On the other hand you can review postings to the usenet at
http://groups.google.com/ and of my last one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a2b3af3e.0402250308.64a4add6%40posting.google.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
Inger E
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:a2b3af3e.0402250308.64a4add6@posting.google.com...
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George,
I don't know how you can be so naiv. You are talking rubbish. To say the
least. I suggest that you go back reading what you should have done in the
first place-contemporary sources. They will tell you that there is evidence
for everything. Those who deny that don't know what they are talking about
at all.
Inger E
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:a2b3af3e.0402251055.4ab50b9f@posting.google.com...
"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
news:<XC%_b.50223$mU6.201616@newsb.telia.net>...
George,
in the mix of written in answers I can't find the last you wrote. Please
write those line seperately so I can answer your questions as good as
possible.
### Inger, the initial Question was wheter one can demonstrate that
there were holes (supossedly for Zyklon B insertion) on either the
- roof of the morgue of Krema II.
- original drawings of this building.
I then posted some additional information showing both sides of the
argument:
Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
About the holes van Pelt said:" Yet does this mean they were never
there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall of
1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the
wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would
have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not
certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to
attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the
bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the
holes, and thus restore the slab"
from: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
I usually start responses with ###.
On the other hand you can review postings to the usenet at
http://groups.google.com/ and of my last one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a2b3af3e.0402250308.64a4add6%40posting.
google.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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George,
I don't know how you can be so naiv. You are talking rubbish. To say
the
least. I suggest that you go back reading what you should have done in
the
first place-contemporary sources. They will tell you that there is
evidence
for everything. Those who deny that don't know what they are talking
about
at all.
Inger E
"George B." <bartels77@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:a2b3af3e.0402251055.4ab50b9f@posting.google.com...
news:<XC%_b.50223$mU6.201616@newsb.telia.net>...
George,
in the mix of written in answers I can't find the last you wrote.
Please
write those line seperately so I can answer your questions as good
as
possible.
### Inger, the initial Question was wheter one can demonstrate that
there were holes (supossedly for Zyklon B insertion) on either the
- roof of the morgue of Krema II.
- original drawings of this building.
I then posted some additional information showing both sides of the
argument:
Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
About the holes van Pelt said:" Yet does this mean they were never
there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall
of
1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the
wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would
have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not
certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to
attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at
the
bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the
holes, and thus restore the slab"
from: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
I usually start responses with ###.
On the other hand you can review postings to the usenet at
http://groups.google.com/ and of my last one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a2b3af3e.0402250308.64a4add6%40posting.
google.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
Do you mean the one that was Fabricated after the war.
Kurt Knoll.
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Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
I must confess I know little of the content of this. However, having looked
through all the references above, the one thing that is very surprising is
the absence of photographic evidence one way or another. I have spent my
life producing scientific reports to prove one thing or other, and I don't
think one of them has never had visual evidence. The whole issue give the
impression of an 'urban myth' by this omission. It is the sort of thing
that it should be very easy to prove (particularly the existence - the
absence is more difficult).
Another thing that confuses me is the terminology. A 'mortuary' is where
dead bodies are temporarily stored. Usually the actual death has occurred
elsewhere. Hence it would not require a means to create death. Was this a
euphemistic term for what is more commonly known as a gad chamber, or was it
somewhere to put the bodies awaiting a hole to be dug for their disposal?
Keith
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Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is
some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
I must confess I know little of the content of this. However, having
looked
through all the references above, the one thing that is very
surprising is
the absence of photographic evidence one way or another. I have
spent my
life producing scientific reports to prove one thing or other, and I
don't
think one of them has never had visual evidence. The whole issue give
the
impression of an 'urban myth' by this omission. It is the sort of
thing
that it should be very easy to prove (particularly the existence - the
absence is more difficult).
Another thing that confuses me is the terminology. A 'mortuary' is
where
dead bodies are temporarily stored. Usually the actual death has
occurred
elsewhere. Hence it would not require a means to create death. Was
this a
euphemistic term for what is more commonly known as a gad chamber, or
was it
somewhere to put the bodies awaiting a hole to be dug for their
disposal?
Keith
Here is one for you. Arial Photographs were taken by the Allied in
1944-45 but not Released to the Public Domain till about the mid 80s.
These Photograph did not show up in the Photos taken at that time. The
History of the Holocaust is a Closely Guarded Secret by the Holocaust
Industries that no one other than the Jews are allowed to Investigate.
In Germany the now have laws in Place that makes it Illegal for anyone
else to do some Investigation and does that do end up in Jail for
denying the Holocaust.
Kurt Knoll
Canada
www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
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disposal?
Here is one for you. Arial Photographs were taken by the Allied in
1944-45 but not Released to the Public Domain till about the mid 80s.
These Photograph did not show up in the Photos taken at that time. The
History of the Holocaust is a Closely Guarded Secret by the Holocaust
Industries that no one other than the Jews are allowed to Investigate.
In Germany the now have laws in Place that makes it Illegal for anyone
else to do some Investigation and does that do end up in Jail for
denying the Holocaust.
Kurt Knoll
Canada
www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
=
Where? The photos all appear to be Canada / North America. Am I getting
the scent of a troll and been taken for a ride?
Keith
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disposal?
Keith
Here is one for you. Arial Photographs were taken by the Allied in
1944-45 but not Released to the Public Domain till about the mid
80s.
These Photograph did not show up in the Photos taken at that time.
The
History of the Holocaust is a Closely Guarded Secret by the
Holocaust
Industries that no one other than the Jews are allowed to
Investigate.
In Germany the now have laws in Place that makes it Illegal for
anyone
else to do some Investigation and does that do end up in Jail for
denying the Holocaust.
Kurt Knoll
Canada
www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
=
Where? The photos all appear to be Canada / North America. Am I
getting
the scent of a troll and been taken for a ride?
Keith
The Photographs I am talking about were taken over Auschwitz and
Birkenau. It Time you re focus your Eyes.
Kurt Knoll.
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
disposal?
Keith
Here is one for you. Arial Photographs were taken by the Allied in
1944-45 but not Released to the Public Domain till about the mid
80s.
These Photograph did not show up in the Photos taken at that time.
The
History of the Holocaust is a Closely Guarded Secret by the
Holocaust
Industries that no one other than the Jews are allowed to
Investigate.
In Germany the now have laws in Place that makes it Illegal for
anyone
else to do some Investigation and does that do end up in Jail for
denying the Holocaust.
Kurt Knoll
Canada
www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
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The Photographs I am talking about were taken over Auschwitz and
Birkenau. It Time you re focus your Eyes.
Kurt Knoll.
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Kurt,
Are the photos you mention available on-line? If so, can you
tell me where?
Tom McDonald
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
Kurt,
Are the photos you mention available on-line? If so, can you
tell me where?
Tom McDonald
The Vancouver Province Sunday, Feb. 10 1985
'Air was clear' at Auschwitz
News Services
Toronto - A German soldier said the air at the Auschwitz death camp was
clear in 1944 - untainted by smell of burning flesh. A British medic said
people died at the Belsen camp - not in gas chambers, but of disease and
malnutrition...
Werner Knoll
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Werner Knoll,
you are presenting false information. I suggest that you take yourself time
to go thru the contemporary material among them the films which the Germans
themselves took over the years in Belsen and elsewhere.
Stop telling lies.
Inger E
"Werner Knoll" <werk@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:TSd%b.76346$Hy3.23024@edtnps89...
The Vancouver Province Sunday, Feb. 10 1985
'Air was clear' at Auschwitz
News Services
Toronto - A German soldier said the air at the Auschwitz death camp was
clear in 1944 - untainted by smell of burning flesh. A British medic said
people died at the Belsen camp - not in gas chambers, but of disease and
malnutrition...
Werner Knoll
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Kurt Knoll,
I have news for you some of the photos were printed in books here in
Scandinavia before 1955.
You better do your homework more carefully.
Inger E
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@uniserve.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1077746387.972666@critter.monarch.net...
Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is
some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
looked
surprising is
spent my
don't
the
thing
where
occurred
this a
was it
disposal?
Here is one for you. Arial Photographs were taken by the Allied in
1944-45 but not Released to the Public Domain till about the mid 80s.
These Photograph did not show up in the Photos taken at that time. The
History of the Holocaust is a Closely Guarded Secret by the Holocaust
Industries that no one other than the Jews are allowed to Investigate.
In Germany the now have laws in Place that makes it Illegal for anyone
else to do some Investigation and does that do end up in Jail for
denying the Holocaust.
Kurt Knoll
Canada
www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Inger E Johansson"
<inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> scribbled:
Werner Knoll,
Please don't feed the ignorant trolls.
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
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Kurt Knoll,
I have news for you some of the photos were printed in books here in
Scandinavia before 1955.
You better do your homework more carefully.
Inger E
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@uniserve.com> skrev i meddelandet
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There You are Wrong Again the Arial Photos I was Talking about were
Introduced at the Zundel Trial in Toronto Canada. These Photographs were
not made Available by the American Defence Department till about 1980. A
Canadian Air Surveillance Specialist from Victoria who did testify on
Zundels Trial was latter Harassed by the Jews for being a Witness for
the Defence. This should give you an Inside look how the Holocaust
Industries works in Scaring others to Come Forward. The fact for them is
that anyone that Raises Questions about the Holocaust is either a
Holocaust Denier or a Nazi.
Kurt Knoll.
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message news:<bI7%b.84095$dP1.230290@newsc.telia.net>...
George,
I don't know how you can be so naiv. You are talking rubbish. To say the
least. I suggest that you go back reading what you should have done in the
first place-contemporary sources. They will tell you that there is evidence
for everything. Those who deny that don't know what they are talking about
at all.
Inger (I did not read the other replies yet),
If there would be "evidence for everything" as you claim, I am pretty
sure that Mr van Pelt would have mentioned that there is also
(physical/documentary) evidence for the holes. Yet he does not do
that. And I do not think that Mr van Pelt is stupid or uninformed in
relationship with the subject.
About the holes van Pelt said:" Yet does this mean they were never
there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall of
1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the
wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would
have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not
certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to
attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the
bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the
holes, and thus restore the slab"
from: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
Guess this says everything in connection to the holes. There is no
proof that the alleged 'holes' have been "poured with concrete" to
close them. This theory is pure fiction of van Pelt.
So if there is evidence I am sure the exterminationists would have
shown it by now. I think one rather should not be so naive and trust
"contemporary sources" blindly. What they often do is giving documents
a meaning they actually do not have.
An inclusive work on the 'evidence for homicidal gassings' is the
"Rudolf Report":
http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
The newer version deals with
- chemical aspects
- technical aspects
- documentation relating to the subject
There are Versions in English and German like
http://www.vho.org/D/rga/.
Regards,
GB
[...]
### Inger, the initial Question was wheter one can demonstrate that
there were holes (supossedly for Zyklon B insertion) on either the
- roof of the morgue of Krema II.
- original drawings of this building.
I then posted some additional information showing both sides of the
argument:
Well those holes have been a matter of dispute for long here is some
information from showing both sides of the controversy:
http://www.russgranata.com/noholes.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/vanpelt-holes.shtml
from http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/619619.stm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message news:<Ezh%b.84137$dP1.230528@newsc.telia.net>...
Werner Knoll,
you are presenting false information. I suggest that you take yourself time
to go thru the contemporary material among them the films which the Germans
themselves took over the years in Belsen and elsewhere.
### The movies of Belsen (made by the allies) indeed show people that
suffered from malnutrition and also died from it. Note that are no
pictures of that kind from the liberation of Auschwitz.
They do not show people that have died through homicidal gassings.
Faking pictures to support the extermination thesis was also very
popular :
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcffor.html
Seldom shown are pictures that show well-nourished, healthy inmates of
concentration camps including children:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/Birkenau08.jpg
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/Birkenau04.html
If they are not working (it timed out when I looke last):
http://www.geocities.com/marlehall/memorial/66935a.jpeg
Caption there reads:
"Jewish children, kept alive in the Auschwitz II (Birkenau)
Concentration Camp, pose in concentration camp uniforms between two
rows of barbed wire fencing after liberation. (Jan. 27, 1945) Still
photo from a Postwar Soviet Film. Central State Archive of film,
Photo, and Phonographic Documents ..."
The German took many pictures in Auschwitz. However those pictures
show neither atrocities nor malnutrition:
i.e.: http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/10-13.html
Stop telling lies.
### I actually do not see that he lied.
Regards,
GB
Inger E
"Werner Knoll" <werk@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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In article <a2b3af3e.0402260855.65067899@posting.google.com>,
George B. <bartels77@yahoo.com> wrote:
Inger (I did not read the other replies yet),
If there would be "evidence for everything" as you claim, I am pretty
sure that Mr van Pelt would have mentioned that there is also
(physical/documentary) evidence for the holes.
Well, he does mention it. He also mentions the opinion of an
expert on construction (Paul Zucchi, a senior partner of Yolles
Engineering, one of the world's most prominent firms of consulting
engineers), who agreed with the report's findings concerning
the holes in the crematorium 2 roof. You can find the details
in prof. van Pelt's book.
Cheers, RJ.
--
"our system of law and justice would benefit greatly from the
swinging of selected judges from lampposts." -- The Holocaust
revisionis "seneca", reaffirming his commitment to Nazi
ideology, 2/21/04.
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In article <c1j37j$n85$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
Keith W <witheyk@btinternet.com> wrote:
(snip re-reposted material)
I must confess I know little of the content of this. However, having looked
through all the references above, the one thing that is very surprising is
the absence of photographic evidence one way or another.
There are some photographs on the web -- here's one of them:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/Auschwitz-photos-98/hole-roof-1.jpg
I have spent my
life producing scientific reports to prove one thing or other, and I don't
think one of them has never had visual evidence. The whole issue give the
impression of an 'urban myth' by this omission. It is the sort of thing
that it should be very easy to prove (particularly the existence - the
absence is more difficult).
The gas chamber was dynamited by the SS, prior to them evacuating the
camp. This is how it looks today:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/Auschwitz-photos-98/roof-chamber-2.jpg
Another thing that confuses me is the terminology. A 'mortuary' is where
dead bodies are temporarily stored. Usually the actual death has occurred
elsewhere. Hence it would not require a means to create death. Was this a
euphemistic term for what is more commonly known as a gad chamber, or was it
somewhere to put the bodies awaiting a hole to be dug for their disposal?
I don't know which document you're referring to. Some of the
documents of the Auschwitz Construction Department do mention a
"gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the crematoriums.
Cheers, RJ.
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"Ron Jacobson" <rjac@TheWorld.com> skrev i meddelandet
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In article <c1j37j$n85$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
Keith W <witheyk@btinternet.com> wrote:
(snip re-reposted material)
There are some photographs on the web -- here's one of them:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/Auschwitz-photos-98/hole-roof-1.jpg
The gas chamber was dynamited by the SS, prior to them evacuating the
camp. This is how it looks today:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/Auschwitz-photos-98/roof-chamber-2.
jpg
I don't know which document you're referring to. Some of the
documents of the Auschwitz Construction Department do mention a
"gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the crematoriums.
Cheers, RJ.
http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/pit.html
http://www.axishistory.com/
http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/belsen01.html
http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/report01.html
http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/krema3.html
http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/invntry.html
Inger E
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Werner Knoll,
you are presenting false information. I suggest that you take yourself
time
to go thru the contemporary material among them the films which the
Germans
themselves took over the years in Belsen and elsewhere.
Stop telling lies.
Inger E
[...]
That is strange? The Vancouver Province is owned now by a Jew. Does this
mean that from now anything written in the Province is the truth?
"Werner Knoll" <werk@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:TSd%b.76346$Hy3.23024@edtnps89...
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Inger E Johansson"
<inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> scribbled:
Please don't feed the ignorant trolls.
Learning something new could be harmful to your health?
Werner Knoll
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erner Knoll,
who owns what where and why has nothing what so ever to do with if a source
is presenting correct information or not. Close in time= contemporary
sources, close in place= written or photographed at the time and in the
place discussed, tendency which in this case show how queer life can be -
the Nazists took photos and wrote detailed documentations because they were
proud of their inhuman violence against Jews, Gypsies and disabled persons.
They were acting as those days' Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest where criminals
presents all evidence against themselves themselves.
Inger E
"Werner Knoll" <werk@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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time
Germans
[...]
That is strange? The Vancouver Province is owned now by a Jew. Does this
mean that from now anything written in the Province is the truth?
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
news:<bI7%b.84095$dP1.230290@newsc.telia.net>...
George,
I don't know how you can be so naiv. You are talking rubbish. To
say the
least. I suggest that you go back reading what you should have
done in the
first place-contemporary sources. They will tell you that there is
evidence
for everything. Those who deny that don't know what they are
talking about
at all.
Inger (I did not read the other replies yet),
If there would be "evidence for everything" as you claim, I am
pretty
sure that Mr van Pelt would have mentioned that there is also
(physical/documentary) evidence for the holes. Yet he does not do
that.
Of course he does George. You just don't know what you are talking
about.
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even
supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be
content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to
acquire it."
Samuel Johnson
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