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Hagar wrote:
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- A $10,000 reward offered by the
"Doonesbury" comic strip for proof that U.S. President George W.
Bush served in the Alabama National Guard during the Vietnam War
has elicited over 1,300 responses but turned up no credible
evidence yet, the cartoonist said on Friday.
With so much controversy surrounding Bush's National Guard
service, a credible witness would have turned up by now if there
was one, said Garry Trudeau.
"You can be sure some very motivated people have tried to find a
witness who can establish Bush's presence at Dannelly Base
beyond a reasonable doubt," said the creator of the politically
irreverent and satirical daily cartoon. "Anyone who could do so
would almost certainly have surfaced by now."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/27/elec04.bush.doonesbury
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"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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Hagar wrote:
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- A $10,000 reward offered by the
"Doonesbury" comic strip for proof that U.S. President George W.
Bush served in the Alabama National Guard during the Vietnam War
has elicited over 1,300 responses but turned up no credible
evidence yet, the cartoonist said on Friday.
With so much controversy surrounding Bush's National Guard
service, a credible witness would have turned up by now if there
was one, said Garry Trudeau.
"You can be sure some very motivated people have tried to find a
witness who can establish Bush's presence at Dannelly Base
beyond a reasonable doubt," said the creator of the politically
irreverent and satirical daily cartoon. "Anyone who could do so
would almost certainly have surfaced by now."
I suppose Trudeau gets to decide who is a credible witness.
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Hagar wrote:
I suppose Trudeau gets to decide who is a credible witness.
Sure, but if anyone steps forward who believes that they themselves are a
credible witness and he ignores them, they can go to the conservative press
and complain, or even take Trudeau to court and sue him.
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"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Sure, but if anyone steps forward who believes that they themselves are a
credible witness and he ignores them, they can go to the conservative press
and complain, or even take Trudeau to court and sue him.
Bush is a liar. A dirty, dishonorable LIAR. 'Common knowledge. He
lies every time he opens his little weasel mouth. Hey, but that's ok.
The good, patriotic little lemmings will clutch their sad little flags
in their chubby fists and rah rah rah him - why? Because they are
SCARED. That's it. Scared out of their little chubby skins every
time the LIAR lies about "Tewwowists! Tewwowists!" OOOOOhH! ORANGE
ALERT! ORANGE ALERT! Woo wooo the boogeyman! the boogyman! And
they'll feebly, passively let John Ashcroft and the Nazionists strip
them of their freedoms and turn their country into a Gulag - BECAUSE
THEY ARE CHICKEN!
Contemptible. Land of the Free? Home of the Brave? Bah! Humbug.
Rubbish.
Grantland
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Bush is a liar. A dirty, dishonorable LIAR. 'Common knowledge. He
lies every time he opens his little weasel mouth.
And yet nobody has shown any Bush statement to be a lie.
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Bush is a liar. A dirty, dishonorable LIAR. 'Common knowledge. He
lies every time he opens his little weasel mouth. Hey, but that's ok.
The good, patriotic little lemmings will clutch their sad little flags
in their chubby fists and rah rah rah him - why? Because they are
SCARED. That's it. Scared out of their little chubby skins every
time the LIAR lies about "Tewwowists! Tewwowists!" OOOOOhH! ORANGE
ALERT! ORANGE ALERT! Woo wooo the boogeyman! the boogyman! And
they'll feebly, passively let John Ashcroft and the Nazionists strip
them of their freedoms and turn their country into a Gulag - BECAUSE
THEY ARE CHICKEN!
Contemptible. Land of the Free? Home of the Brave? Bah! Humbug.
Rubbish.
Grantland
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Hahahahahahahahaha!! FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE NAZI FUCK!! I SHIT ON YOUR
NAZI, FASCIST, PANSY HEAD. JOHN ASHCROFT IS A SPASTIC, DO YOU HEAR??
A FUCKING COCKLESS JUDDERING *SPASTIC*. TENET SUCKS DONKEY-DICK!
DONKEY-DICK I SAY!!!! BYTE ME!
Grantland
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Ladies and Gentleman, This had been posted in alt.war.vietnam, I'm
sure in error. Please if you'll be so kind, remove alt.war.vietnam
from your newsgroups posting headers.
Thank You
Ken
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:28:37 GMT, mithril@iafrica.com (Grantland)
wrote:
"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Bush is a liar. A dirty, dishonorable LIAR. 'Common knowledge. He
lies every time he opens his little weasel mouth. Hey, but that's ok.
The good, patriotic little lemmings will clutch their sad little flags
in their chubby fists and rah rah rah him - why? Because they are
SCARED. That's it. Scared out of their little chubby skins every
time the LIAR lies about "Tewwowists! Tewwowists!" OOOOOhH! ORANGE
ALERT! ORANGE ALERT! Woo wooo the boogeyman! the boogyman! And
they'll feebly, passively let John Ashcroft and the Nazionists strip
them of their freedoms and turn their country into a Gulag - BECAUSE
THEY ARE CHICKEN!
Contemptible. Land of the Free? Home of the Brave? Bah! Humbug.
Rubbish.
Grantland
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
And yet nobody has shown any Bush statement to be a lie.
Suck on this, neo-con turdlicker:
--
Lie #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting
its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase
high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas
centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
-President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002
Fact: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by The New
York Times' usually astute Middle East correspondent Judith Miller,
has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials
who monitor nuclear plants say the tubes could not be used for
enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst who was part of the tubes
investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American
officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum
really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's
just a lie."
Lie #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
-President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address
Fact: This whopper was based on a document that the White House
already knew to be a forgery, thanks to honest analysis by the CIA.
Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the
signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and
referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador
who the CIA sent to check out the story is angry: "They knew the Niger
story was a flat-out lie," he told The New Republic, anonymously. "They
[the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this
to make their case more strongly."
Lie #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear
weapons."
-Vice President Cheney, March 16, 2003, on "Meet the Press"
Fact: There was and is absolutely no basis for this statement. CIA
reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons
program.
Lie #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade."
-CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002
and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush
Fact: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and
al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing
relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun
the intelligence 180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it
suggested.
Lie #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in
bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with
terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without
leaving any fingerprints."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin
Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in
northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was
later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied
war planes.
--
Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has
a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?
Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003
Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."
-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council
Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these
stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore
useless as weapon fodder.
Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction] are. They're
in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north
somewhat."
-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003
Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."
-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1,
2003
Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But
British and American experts (including a recent report by the State
Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's
embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they
were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British
themselves.
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Grantland wrote:
Hahahahahahahahaha!! FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE NAZI FUCK!! I SHIT ON YOUR
NAZI, FASCIST, PANSY HEAD. JOHN ASHCROFT IS A SPASTIC, DO YOU HEAR??
A FUCKING COCKLESS JUDDERING *SPASTIC*. TENET SUCKS DONKEY-DICK!
DONKEY-DICK I SAY!!!! BYTE ME!
Come on Grantland, tell us how you really feel ..
Grantland
"Cyber Investigations" <Cybercen@dhs.gov> wrote:
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"=3D> Vox Populi =A9" posted:
irrelevant information to alt.war.vietnam, which has been =
mercifully deleted.
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"=3D> Vox Populi =A9" posted:
irrelevant information to alt.war.vietnam, which has been =
mercifully deleted.
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Richard Rongstad wrote:
"=> Vox Populi " posted:
irrelevant information to alt.war.vietnam, which has been
mercifully deleted.
Really? Politicians lying and sendind U$ soldier off
to die meanigless deaths for their own political gain
is irrelevant to the Vietnam War ...?
You really are dumber than a bucket of dirt, aren't you?
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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Richard Rongstad wrote:
"=> Vox Populi " posted:
irrelevant information to alt.war.vietnam, which has been
mercifully deleted.
Really? Politicians lying and sendind U$ soldier off
to die meanigless deaths for their own political gain
is irrelevant to the Vietnam War ...?
You really are dumber than a bucket of dirt, aren't you?
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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Suck on this, neo-con turdlicker:
--
Lie #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting
its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase
high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas
centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
-President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002
Fact: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by The New
York Times' usually astute Middle East correspondent Judith Miller,
has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials
who monitor nuclear plants say the tubes could not be used for
enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst who was part of the tubes
investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American
officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum
really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's
just a lie."
Lie #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
-President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address
Fact: This whopper was based on a document that the White House
already knew to be a forgery, thanks to honest analysis by the CIA.
Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the
signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and
referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador
who the CIA sent to check out the story is angry: "They knew the Niger
story was a flat-out lie," he told The New Republic, anonymously. "They
[the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this
to make their case more strongly."
Lie #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear
weapons."
-Vice President Cheney, March 16, 2003, on "Meet the Press"
Fact: There was and is absolutely no basis for this statement. CIA
reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons
program.
Lie #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade."
-CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002
and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush
Fact: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and
al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing
relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun
the intelligence 180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it
suggested.
Lie #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in
bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with
terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without
leaving any fingerprints."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin
Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in
northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was
later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied
war planes.
--
Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has
a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?
Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003
Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."
-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council
Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these
stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore
useless as weapon fodder.
Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction] are. They're
in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north
somewhat."
-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003
Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."
-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1,
2003
Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But
British and American experts (including a recent report by the State
Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's
embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they
were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British
themselves.
A lie is a false statement deliberately presented as being true. You have
not demonstrated any of these statements to be lies.
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In article <bBK0c.27936$hm4.5854@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:
A lie is a false statement deliberately presented as being true. You have
not demonstrated any of these statements to be lies.
A lie is also 'Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression'
which pretty much sums up the Bush administration pronouncements
on Iraq, on the budget, and certaily on terrorism.
--bks
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A lie is also 'Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression'
which pretty much sums up the Bush administration pronouncements
on Iraq, on the budget, and certaily on terrorism.
Actually, it doesn't.
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:15:09 -0700, "=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Suck on this, neo-con turdlicker:
--
Lie #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting
its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase
high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas
centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
And what don't you understand about the word "Evidence", when given
the wrong information by our and other intelligence sources, what
decision could you come up with.
-President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002
Fact: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by The New
York Times' usually astute Middle East correspondent Judith Miller,
has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials
who monitor nuclear plants say the tubes could not be used for
enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst who was part of the tubes
investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American
officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum
really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's
just a lie."
Lie #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Again, British Government Intelligence Sources. And again your
conclusion would be what?
-President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address
Fact: This whopper was based on a document that the White House
already knew to be a forgery, thanks to honest analysis by the CIA.
Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the
signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and
referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador
who the CIA sent to check out the story is angry: "They knew the Niger
story was a flat-out lie," he told The New Republic, anonymously. "They
[the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this
to make their case more strongly."
Lie #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear
weapons."
Base on the best Information given to him at that time.
-Vice President Cheney, March 16, 2003, on "Meet the Press"
Fact: There was and is absolutely no basis for this statement. CIA
reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons
program.
Lie #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade."
So the CIA was wrong, so were most Democrats, including Hillary.
Most Democrats though the same thing, want page after page of their
voting records?
-CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002
and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush
Fact: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and
al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing
relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun
the intelligence 180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it
suggested.
Lie #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in
bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with
terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without
leaving any fingerprints."
Want to stick with all the new information now coming to light?
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin
Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in
northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was
later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied
war planes.
I can only say we need a President that Knows the future, has a
Crystal Ball, or has Intelligence Agencies that are
fully functional and reliable, unhampered by politicians.
Until that day comes we go with what's available, the Agencies that
were gathering information based on what they were allowed to do under
past rules.
Ken
Now you can come back, cuss and trash me, because you don't like my
answers, because they side with the President. I know this because of
the past track record of people like you.
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On 1 Mar 2004 12:52:25 -0500, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:
In article <bBK0c.27936$hm4.5854@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:
A lie is also 'Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression'
which pretty much sums up the Bush administration pronouncements
on Iraq, on the budget, and certaily on terrorism.
--bks
and Kerry's " Winter Soldier " was?
and Clinton's what is the meaning of " is "
Caught in your own trap.
Ken
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n Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:16:27 -0500, Ken <rvngrunt68@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2004 12:52:25 -0500, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:
and Kerry's " Winter Soldier " was?
and Clinton's what is the meaning of " is "
Caught in your own trap.
Ken
Transcript: Clinton defends U.S. attack on Iraq
CLINTON: My national security team is about to update me and the vice
president on the status of our operation in Iraq.
I'd like to begin by speaking for every American in expressing our
gratitude to our men and women in uniform, and also to our British
allies who are participating in this operation with us.
I am convinced the decision I made to order this military action --
though difficult -- was absolutely the right thing to do. It is in our
interest and in the interests of people all around the world.
Saddam Hussein has used weapons of mass destruction and ballistic
missiles before. I have no doubt he would use them again if permitted
to develop them.
When I halted military action against Saddam last November after he
had terminated the UNSCOM operations, I made it very clear that we
were giving him a last chance to cooperate. Once again, he promised in
very explicit terms that he would fully cooperate.
On Tuesday, the inspectors concluded that they were no longer able to
do their jobs and that, in fact, he had raised even new barriers to
their doing their jobs.
Then yesterday morning, I gave the order because I believe that we
cannot allow Saddam Hussein to dismantle UNSCOM and resume the
production of weapons of mass destruction with impunity.
I also believe that, to have done so, would have in effect given him a
green light for whatever he might want to do in his neighborhood. I
think it would be a terrible, terrible mistake.
We acted yesterday because Secretary Cohen and General Shelton
strongly urged that we act at the point where we could have maximum
impact with minimum risk to our own people because of the surprise
factor.
We also wanted to avoid initiating any military action during the
Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which is slated to begin in just a
couple of days.
Our mission is clear -- to degrade his capacity to develop and to use
weapons of mass destruction or to threaten his neighbors.
I believe we have achieved that mission and I'm looking forward to
getting this briefing.
QUESTION: Mr. President...
QUESTION: How are you going to stem the Republican drive to drive you
out of office?
CLINTON: Well, the Constitution has a procedure for that, and we will
follow it.
QUESTION: Mr. President...
QUESTION: (AUDIO GAP)
CLINTON: No, it's a...
QUESTION: Mr. President, as you know, Senator Trent Lott and Dick
Armey, the House majority leader, other Republicans are questioning
the timing, suggesting that this was simply a diversionary tactic to
avoid an impeachment vote on the House floor. What do you say to those
critics?
CLINTON: That it's not true. That what I did was the right thing for
the country. I don't think any serious person would believe that any
president would do such a thing, and I don't believe any reasonably
astute person in Washington would believe that Secretary Cohen and
General Shelton and the whole rest of the national security team would
participate in such an action.
This was the right thing for the country. We have given Saddam Hussein
chance after chance to cooperate with UNSCOM.
We said in November that this was the last chance. We got the report
from Mr. Butler saying that he was not cooperating and had in fact
raised new barriers to cooperation. And we acted just as we promised
we would. We acted swiftly because we were ready, thanks to the very
fine work of the Defense Department in leaving our assets properly
deployed. We had the strong support of the British.
And I might add, I'm very gratified by the strong support we've gotten
from people among both Democratic and Republican ranks in the Congress
who are interested in national security, people like Senator Helms,
Senator McCain, Senator Warner, Senator Hagel, Senator Lugar, all have
expressed support for this mission. So, I feel good about where we are
on that.
QUESTION: Mr. President (OFF-MIKE) the first day of the operation, and
would it undercut your authority if the House opens the impeachment
debate during this operation?
CLINTON: What was the first question, please?
QUESTION: Bomb damage assessment.
CLINTON: I'm about to get it.
QUESTION: You didn't get anything from Mr. Berger?
CLINTON: Obviously I've kept up with it as best I could, but I have
not gotten a full report.
QUESTION: Mr. President, the second part...
QUESTION: But think it is success?
CLINTON: I'm about to get a -- it's an ongoing mission. I want to
wait...
QUESTION: Well, Joe Lockhart told us it was a success.
QUESTION: And the undercut to your authority, sir?
CLINTON: No, I think that first of all, I'm going to complete this
mission. We're going to complete this mission. And the Republican
leaders will have to decide how to do their job. That's not for me to
comment on.
QUESTION: Can you confirm reports of Saddam Hussein possibly advancing
and invading Kuwait and the possible use of ground troops, sir?
CLINTON: No, I have no comment on that. I think that surely he knows
what a disastrous mistake that would be.
(UNKNOWN): All done. Thank you.
QUESTION: Mr. President, the Iraqis are saying there's been heavy
civilian casualties in (OFF-MIKE). Do you have any information so far
that that's true?
CLINTON: I do not. I can tell you what I said last night. We did
everything we could to carefully target military and national security
targets, and to minimize civilian casualties.
There is always a prospect that the missiles will miss; that they will
be interrupted because of the missiles being fired at them, trying to
deflect them from their intended targets. I'm quite sure there will
be, as I said last evening, unintended casualties and I regret that
very much.
That's one of the reasons that I have bent over backwards not just in
November, but also on previous occasions, to avoid using force in this
case. I did not want to do it. I think all of you know it. But in
November, we literally had planes in the air, and I said that it would
be the last chance.
I think i
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[...]
A lie is a false statement deliberately presented as being true. You have
not demonstrated any of these statements to be lies.
And therefore, Bill Clinton never lied under oath because he didn't believe
that having a girl suck on his cock or inserting a cigar in her cunt
constituted "having sex," or so he says.
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[...]
And therefore, Bill Clinton never lied under oath because he didn't
believe
that having a girl suck on his cock or inserting a cigar in her cunt
constituted "having sex," or so he says.
Clinton's perjury was Bennett lying about there being no pattern of
behavior. It was that perjury for which Clinton was disbarred. The
depositions were never admitted in court, due to Bennett's perjury before
the Federal Court.
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In article <bBK0c.27936$hm4.5854@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:
A lie is also 'Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression'
which pretty much sums up the Bush administration pronouncements
on Iraq, on the budget, and certaily on terrorism.
In advertising, the courts have established that a clear pattern of placing
certain images or phrases in close relationship to each other, over and over
and over again, can constitute deliberate deception, and that companies
often are not allowed to do it. Joe Camel, targetted at the underage crowd,
comes to mind. "'Saddam Hussein' blah, blah, blah, '9/11,' blah, blah, blah'
is certainly deceptive by any normal standard of decency, when deliberately
used this way. And does ANYONE doubt that it wasn't?
The Cristian Science Monitor has documented many instances of multiple use
of these phrases in speeches by Bush and everyone else in the the Bush
Administration.
Bush and his speech writers KNEW that people would be deceived by the way
the rhetoric was phrased. This wasn't a campaign speech, which is immune to
prosecution for such issues; this was a call for WAR.
Why are you still defending Bush and company?
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:38:52 GMT, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
In advertising, the courts have established that a clear pattern of placing
certain images or phrases in close relationship to each other, over and over
and over again, can constitute deliberate deception, and that companies
often are not allowed to do it. Joe Camel, targetted at the underage crowd,
comes to mind. "'Saddam Hussein' blah, blah, blah, '9/11,' blah, blah, blah'
is certainly deceptive by any normal standard of decency, when deliberately
used this way. And does ANYONE doubt that it wasn't?
The Cristian Science Monitor has documented many instances of multiple use
of these phrases in speeches by Bush and everyone else in the the Bush
Administration.
Bush and his speech writers KNEW that people would be deceived by the way
the rhetoric was phrased. This wasn't a campaign speech, which is immune to
prosecution for such issues; this was a call for WAR.
Why are you still defending Bush and company?
I can see it now, the crowd puts their tin foil hats on, so the
"deliberate deception" repeated over and over, doesn't penetrate the
brain.
They're taking control of our minds.
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
Clinton's perjury was Bennett lying about there being no pattern of
behavior. It was that perjury for which Clinton was disbarred. The
depositions were never admitted in court, due to Bennett's perjury before
the Federal Court.
First we have a Bennett committing perjury, and his brother is outed
for lying about how much he lost whilst gambling?
How did anyone from THAT family write the "Book of Virtues?"
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:23:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> in misc.legal, wrote the following:
Actually, it doesn't.
Actually it does: what Bush and his administration consistently do is
*misrepresent* material facts, or present vague or erroneous information
in a *fraudulent* way as it were pure fact. Both are skewed views of
facts to gain certain things, such as public support, political
advantage, etc. While I don't always agree with Vox's methods, the
statements presented in his or her posts are such examples.
Note definitions:
Misrepresentation: misleading falsehood; a willful act of falsifying.
To "misrepresent" something is to fake or falsify; "Fudge the figures";
"cook the books"; "falsify the data."
So when one sees a statement such as
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
-President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address
Fact: This whopper was based on a document that the White House
already knew to be a forgery, thanks to honest analysis by the CIA.
Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the
signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and
referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The
ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is angry: "They
knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told The New Republic,
anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum
tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."
one is presented with a *misrepresentation*.
Fraudulent: Obtained or performed by artifice
Fraud: Deception deliberately practiced with a view to gaining an
unlawful or unfair advantage; artifice by which the right or interest of
another is injured; injurious stratagem. (Law) An intentional perversion
of truth for the purpose of obtaining some valuable thing or promise
from another.
So, a statement such as
"We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003
Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
such is a *fraudulent* statement, created with the intended purpose to
persuade the public and allies war was needed. Thus, statements like
this are for "gaining an unlawful or unfair advantage; an artifice by
which the right or interest of another is injured*; injurious stratagem;
an intentional perversion of truth for the purpose of obtaining some
valuable thing or promise from another.**"
* War is pretty much an injury on another, right?
** Such as gaining the public and ally support for a war where no other
justification existed?
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:4043B0FE.8070907@it.com...
Tarver Engineering wrote:
First we have a Bennett committing perjury, and his brother is outed
for lying about how much he lost whilst gambling?
That would be the morality of the family.
The bomb that took out Pan Am 103 got there through brother Bennett's sting
operation..
How did anyone from THAT family write the "Book of Virtues?"
One could wonder.
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