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Who Really Killed Jesus
From the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 20, verses 17-19:
As Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside,
and on the way he said to them, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and
the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they
will condemn him to death, and deliver him to the Gentiles to be mocked and
scourged and crucified, and he will be raised on the third day."
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Who Really Killed Jesus
From the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 20, verses 17-19:
But we want proof, not a story you are using to validate *itself*.
Susan
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
But we want proof, not a story you are using to validate *itself*.
So, you're like a 'crucifixion denier'?
Chas
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
So, you're like a 'crucifixion denier'?
So, you're like *extremely* ticked off that there's no actual proof of what
you're selling?
I figure you have to be, to make sick little revisionist remarks.
Susan
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All I know is, it wasn't me. I've of an airtight alibi: I wasn't born yet.
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Susan Cohen wrote:
So, you're like *extremely* ticked off that there's no actual proof of what
you're selling?
They just *hate* it when we do that, don't they? ;-)
When we ask for proof, they say we are not worthy. Easy way to avoid
the question -- reminds one of the tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes."
It's blind faith, and blind faith alone. Heaven's Gate-class blind
faith.
I figure you have to be, to make sick little revisionist remarks.
The reality is that we don't know anything of substance about Jesus.
For all we know -- and I think it likely -- he was a first-century L.
Ron Hubbard, whose real life never quite measured up to his followers'
claims. After all, he *certainly* doesn't live up to it today.
The historians and intellectuals of the day didn't bother to mention
him (at least, those whose accounts have survived in some way, shape, or
form). The rabbinical writings are completely devoid of references to
him. Josephus was apparently altered to mention him. He wasn't much of
an issue until the Christian cult surfaced around seven or eight decades
later, which implies that he wasn't much of anything in real life.
"Miracles?" LOL! The god who supposedly scourged the Temple of the
evil moneychangers can't even put TBN out of business.
How *can* you have faith in an impotent ancient sky-pixie, Chas?
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Tin Ear wrote:
All I know is, it wasn't me. I've of an airtight alibi: I wasn't born yet.
They figured out a way to charge you anyway.... :)
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:4041FAC0.8010408@it.com...
Tin Ear wrote:
They figured out a way to charge you anyway.... :)
Yes, but just with original sin, for which you may easily atone. Matter of
fact you can keep right on sinning (as they all do) --- even terrible,
despicable sins --- and then just pass go and collect your free atonement.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and
that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8.
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jls wrote:
"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:4041FAC0.8010408@it.com...
Yes, but just with original sin, for which you may easily atone. Matter of
fact you can keep right on sinning (as they all do) --- even terrible,
despicable sins --- and then just pass go and collect your free atonement.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and
that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8.
Yup. Create the disease, then sell the cure. The plot of Mission
Implausible II, and a Madison Avenue staple since there WAS a Madison
Avenue. :)
I've never done anything God has forbidden, or not done anything God
has required of me. So there, Christians!
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Ken Smith wrote:
[the usual]
Who really killed Jesus? It was ... Ken Smith! Yes, Jesus, in His gracious
lovingkindness, went to the cross and suffered the penalty for Ken's sins
(which are legion). So now, if Ken would only accept Jesus' sacrifice, and
receive Christ as his Saviour and Lord, Ken will have new life in Christ.
Then, when Ken stands before God at the Final Judgement, he will have Christ
to plead his case for him, so that he may gain entrance into heaven and avoid
eternal torment and damnation in the lake of fire.
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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jls wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Yes, but just with original sin, for which you may easily atone.
Oh yeah? How well have you atoned for it?
Matter of fact you can keep right on sinning (as they all do) --- even
terrible, despicable sins --- and then just pass go and collect your free
atonement.
You do err in that you know not the Scripture: "What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we,
that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" [Rom. 6:1-2, KJV]
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is
the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8.
So then, have you received God's gift of salvation, which is freely offered
through His grace? If not, why not? What will you say to God when you stand
before Him at the Final Judgment, knowing that you have spurned so precious a
gift which He had freely offered you, and for which He had paid so dearly
such a terrible price?
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
[the usual]
Who really killed Jesus? It was ... Ken Smith!
Another false and malicious accusation by Theodore A. Kaldis. What a
surprise....
Does this mean I get to be an honorary Jew? :)
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
jls wrote:
Oh yeah? How well have you atoned for it?
At least as well as *you* have. But then again, I have no reason to
atone for anything to a god who doesn't exist and therefore, does not
deserve it.
Matter of fact you can keep right on sinning (as they all do) --- even
terrible, despicable sins --- and then just pass go and collect your free
atonement.
You do err in that you know not the Scripture: "What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we,
that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" [Rom. 6:1-2, KJV]
That *certainly* doesn't describe you, Teddi. You've shown us that
your god's "love" is nothing more than a grinning, abusive, sadistic @$#*.
So then, have you received God's gift of salvation, which is freely offered
through His grace? If not, why not?
Because we have no evidence that your ancient tribal sky-daddy
exists, and conclusive evidence from *YOUR* life that your Jesus is
either dead or sodomizing young boys on the golf course.
What will you say to God when you stand
before Him at the Final Judgment, knowing that you have spurned so precious a
gift which He had freely offered you, and for which He had paid so dearly
such a terrible price?
Prove it with your life, Teddi. Walk your talk, and start by pulling
a Zacchaeus.
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Top Ten Reasons Why Cameron Brown Couldn't
Have Murdered His Illegitimate Daughter
10. The cops lusted after his Mike Ditka autograph.
9. Is this (http://www.freecambrown.org/pictures/xPix06.jpg) the face
of a murd-- (er, on second thought, strike that!)
8. It was the carpet-munching swarthy dot-head fat chick behind the
grassy knoll (see some of Teddi's Greatest Hits, attached).
7. Assistant D.A. Craig Hum is a "stealth candidate" for L.A.
District Attorney. (http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/03/02/ca/la/county.html)
6. They couldn't find enough LEGITIMATE crimes in L.A. to investigate.
5. If no one saw it, it couldn't have happened.
4. The State's expert witness was paid.
3. "BULL-F***IN'-S*IT! ... Wipe your f***in' @ss with your opinion,
b*tch. ... you must have some bug up your @ss. B*tch. ... You know
sh*t." [Widdle Baby Jesus just ***LOVES*** ast*r*sks. :) ]
2. It is reasonable to think a four-year-old girl would get a running
start and take a flying leap off that cliff. [I'm not making this up --
Ted actually suggested this!]
1. God TOLD Ted Kaldis while he was reading his Bible on the #@($ter.
Teddi, get a @$#*in' grip!!!!! You are totally out of control, Dude!
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Subject: Re: It Really IS About Ken Smith ...
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:44:03 -0500
From: John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
Organization: The Code Zone
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.fan.bob-larson
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I have never expressed malice, online or otherwise.
I have the necessary qualifications to speak on behalf of Jesus.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
What "cute" hindu chick? Sorry, but I think the swarthy dot-heads are
dogs. I wouldn't even f*** her with your d***.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Hey, they let ragheads and towelheads and slapheads and camel jockeys
in. Why shouldn't they let me in? At least I'm not from a completely
alien culture.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Darling, you're just wound a little too tight. And I know exactly
what'll loosen you up.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
But no towel-heads, no slap-heads, no rag-heads, no camel jockeys, and
no bloody swarthy wogs!
--Theodore A. Kaldis
What other words are there? "Gook". "Slope". "Slant-e
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
Susan Cohen wrote:
It's blind faith, and blind faith alone. Heaven's Gate-class blind
faith.
Umm, uhh, do you really think everyone in soc.culture.jewish is an atheist?
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
Because we have no evidence that your ancient tribal sky-daddy
exists, and conclusive evidence from *YOUR* life that your Jesus is
either dead or sodomizing young boys on the golf course.
You seem awfully upset over something you claim doesn't exist. You sound
almost, well, biblical in your wrath.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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Disgruntled Customer wrote:
Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
Umm, uhh, do you really think everyone in soc.culture.jewish is an atheist?
I don't *do* soc.culture.jewish.
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Disgruntled Customer wrote:
Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
You seem awfully upset over something you claim doesn't exist. You sound
almost, well, biblical in your wrath.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
At Ted Kaldis? You bet! The guy's just a peach, and he's got a
Texas-sized cockroach not named Bush up his ass about me.
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Subject: Re: It Really IS About Ken Smith ...
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:44:03 -0500
From: John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
Organization: The Code Zone
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.fan.bob-larson
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I have never expressed malice, online or otherwise.
I have the necessary qualifications to speak on behalf of Jesus.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
What "cute" hindu chick? Sorry, but I think the swarthy dot-heads are
dogs. I wouldn't even f*** her with your d***.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Hey, they let ragheads and towelheads and slapheads and camel jockeys
in. Why shouldn't they let me in? At least I'm not from a completely
alien culture.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Darling, you're just wound a little too tight. And I know exactly
what'll loosen you up.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
But no towel-heads, no slap-heads, no rag-heads, no camel jockeys, and
no bloody swarthy wogs!
--Theodore A. Kaldis
What other words are there? "Gook". "Slope". "Slant-eye". The list
continues further downhill from here.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
BTW, you're not ugly, or a fat chick, now are you?
--Theodore A. Kaldis
I do not use the word "nigger", nor do I use the word "coon"
--Theodore A. Kaldis
At that rate, assuming there are somewhere between 25 to 50 million
blacks in the U.S. (and I don't know what the exact figure is, but I
would surmise that it falls somewhere within that range), they each get
between US$140 to $280. Chump change. With that they would only be
"nigger rich".
--Theodore A. Kaldis
I've already been assaulted a couple of times, but both times by Guido's
rather than by coons.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Raghead women are too ugly to become flight attendants.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
That's easy. This is yet another example of feminine ``logic'' (truly
an oxymoron if ever there was one).
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Ragheads, towel heads, camel jockeys, and other swarthy types not
allowed.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
The Dick-suckin' Chicks are toast.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
I have the Holy Spirit to lead me into all the truth and righteousness.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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In article <40420574.8F3CF33@worldnet.att.net>,
Theodore A. Kaldis <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
So then, have you received God's gift of salvation, which is freely offered
through His grace? If not, why not? What will you say to God when you stand
before Him at the Final Judgment, knowing that you have spurned so precious a
gift which He had freely offered you, and for which He had paid so dearly
such a terrible price?
"I didn't trust your middlemen, and you weren't willing to deal direct."
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
Disgruntled Customer wrote:
I don't *do* soc.culture.jewish.
You are now, idiot. Susie wasn't objecting to the god of Abraham, she was
objecting to the idea that Jesus was the messiah.
You're cute when you're angry.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
You seem awfully upset over something you claim doesn't exist. You sound
almost, well, biblical in your wrath.
At Ted Kaldis? You bet! The guy's just a peach, and he's got a
Texas-sized cockroach not named Bush up his ass about me.
You're not attacking Ted, you're attacking a few billion Jews, Christians,
and Moslems. Unless you think we are all Ted.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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Disgruntled Customer wrote:
Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
You seem awfully upset over something you claim doesn't exist. You sound
almost, well, biblical in your wrath.
At Ted Kaldis? You bet! The guy's just a peach, and he's got a
Texas-sized cockroach not named Bush up his ass about me.
You're not attacking Ted, you're attacking a few billion Jews, Christians,
and Moslems. Unless you think we are all Ted.
Then, perhaps you could answer a question. If it is unreasonable to
believe in the god of Ted Kaldis (Jesus as Messiah) in the absence of
credible evidence, why is it not unreasonable to believe in the God of
Abraham in the absence of credible evidence?
What you believe is none of my concern, as long as you don't
insinuate it into my life, whether it involves preaching, getting us
into a war we have NO business fighting, or poaching the U.S. Treasury
to support your little colony. That's where I draw the line.
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Disgruntled Customer wrote:
Ken Smith <forget@it.com> enscribed:
You are now, idiot. Susie wasn't objecting to the god of Abraham, she was
objecting to the idea that Jesus was the messiah.
And I could object to the god of Abraham on the same grounds, which
is exactly my point. :) I've used this one against Christians who
complain that the Mormons are a satanic cult, and they don't seem to
have a solid answer.
You're cute when you're angry.
My wife thinks I'm cute all the time. ;-)
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jls wrote:
Oh yeah? How well have you atoned for it?
Speak for yourself you incarnation of Beelzebub.
You do err in that you know not the Scripture: "What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall
we,
that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" [Rom. 6:1-2, KJV]
Boy, you like that KJV, don't you? I have read the thing from cover to
cover several times, starting as a child and son of a protestant minister.
I have concluded from long study that it is a big fraud containing
innumerable lies. Poetry is pretty, though, and I like the sex scenes in
Song of Solomon and get a kick out of the justifications for slavery so
eloquently articulated in Ephesians.
So then, have you received God's gift of salvation, which is freely
offered
through His grace? If not, why not? What will you say to God when you
stand
before Him at the Final Judgment, knowing that you have spurned so
precious a
gift which He had freely offered you, and for which He had paid so dearly
such a terrible price?
What terrible price? He picks up on some ancient barbaric religion older
than Judaism with its obnoxious human and animal sacrifices. He has his
buddy, the holy spirit, commit an adulterous rape against Mary, cuckolding
Joseph, begetting a child on her. So this is His offspring, his beloved
son Jesus in whom he is well pleased, and he sends him to the altar to be
sacrificed. In unspeakable* agony, by the way, and despite the fact his
only son has NEVER sinned. This is not salvation, Teddy. This is
insanity.
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
*Ergo, the movie. Only Mel's movie could really depict the excruciating
pain and suffering.
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote
"Who really killed Jesus? It was ... Ken Smith!"
Oh. My. God.
I knew it, i knew, i KNEW it !!!!
Damn that Ken Smith for killing Jesus. I bet he singlehandedly whacked John
Kennedy in Dallas, Elvis in the bathroom and Colonel Mustard in the hall with a
lead pipe, too !!!!!
I'll never be able to watch "Quantum Leap" again after this one.....
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have a GREAT day !!!!!!
Solar
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
But we want proof, not a story you are using to validate *itself*.
So, you're like a 'crucifixion denier'?
So, you're like *extremely* ticked off that there's no actual proof of
what
you're selling?
I simply asked for a clarification of your position.
I figure you have to be, to make sick little revisionist remarks.
Gee; what's *your* agenda?
Chas
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"Disgruntled Customer" <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote
......Susie wasn't objecting to the god of Abraham, she was
objecting to the idea that Jesus was the messiah.
Noted and logged-
so what?
Chas
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Then, perhaps you could answer a question. If it is unreasonable to
believe in the god of Ted Kaldis (Jesus as Messiah) in the absence of
Belief isn't about reason. It establishes the framework from which you can
reason.
What you believe is none of my concern, as long as you don't
insinuate it into my life, whether it involves preaching, getting us
Who is preaching to whom? You're the one crossposting demanded to be
preached to and then attacking a few billion people because you don't
like what you hear. I haven't attacked any of your beliefs.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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I have concluded
Let me file that carefully with all your other conclusions I treasure so
much.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> enscribed:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
But we want proof, not a story you are using to validate *itself*.
So, you're like a 'crucifixion denier'?
what
I simply asked for a clarification of your position.
Gee; what's *your* agenda?
Take potshots at anybody who believes differently than she does, and denounce
as intolerant and antisemitic anyone who suggests Palestinians are human
beings.
Susie's well known for her tolerance.
--
Feh. Mad as heck.
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"Disgruntled Customer" <nowhere@nowhow.com> wrote
Gee; what's *your* agenda?
Take potshots at anybody who believes differently than she does, and
denounce
as intolerant and antisemitic anyone who suggests Palestinians are human
beings.
So she's Jewish?
Odd; you'd think they'd be more tolerant, the late unpleasantness and all.
Chas
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Another false and malicious accusation by Theodore A. Kaldis. What a
surprise....
Does this mean I get to be an honorary Jew? :)
Only Vince Foster knows the real truth. And he only knows 'cause he
heard it from Jimmy Hoffa.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
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"Disgruntled Customer" wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
You are now, idiot. Susie wasn't objecting to the god of Abraham, she was
objecting to the idea that Jesus was the messiah.
STOP THE PRESSES! Big surprise here! Christians believe that Jesus was the
Messiah. And Jews don't.
Glad you cleared that one up.
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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" jls" <jls1016ns@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<bmr0c.5987$Be2.347@bignews4.bellsouth.net>...
Speak for yourself you incarnation of Beelzebub.
we,
Boy, you like that KJV, don't you? I have read the thing from cover to
cover several times, starting as a child and son of a protestant minister.
I have concluded from long study that it is a big fraud containing
innumerable lies. Poetry is pretty, though, and I like the sex scenes in
Song of Solomon and get a kick out of the justifications for slavery so
eloquently articulated in Ephesians.
offered
stand
precious a
What terrible price? He picks up on some ancient barbaric religion older
than Judaism with its obnoxious human and animal sacrifices. He has his
buddy, the holy spirit, commit an adulterous rape against Mary, cuckolding
Joseph, begetting a child on her. So this is His offspring, his beloved
son Jesus in whom he is well pleased, and he sends him to the altar to be
sacrificed. In unspeakable* agony, by the way, and despite the fact his
only son has NEVER sinned. This is not salvation, Teddy. This is
insanity.
Woooo Hooo!!! Standing ovation!!!! The crowd goes wild!!! I
also like the bit where Jesus, this nice Jewish boy, grows up and says
to his friends, "eat my body and drink my blood" right in the middle
of a seder. Talk about sick. I don't think it's kosher but it's more
entertaining that matzoh ball soup, you must admit. I'll stick to the
soup!!
Many Cheers,
Pat
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Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
*Ergo, the movie. Only Mel's movie could really depict the excruciating
pain and suffering.
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:4041F635.5090203@it.com...
Susan Cohen wrote:
They just *hate* it when we do that, don't they? ;-)
When we ask for proof, they say we are not worthy.
This one went a step further, trying to pretend that we're like holocaust
deniers.
Easy way to avoid
the question -- reminds one of the tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes."
It's blind faith, and blind faith alone. Heaven's Gate-class blind
faith.
The reality is that we don't know anything of substance about Jesus.
For all we know -- and I think it likely -- he was a first-century L.
Ron Hubbard, whose real life never quite measured up to his followers'
claims. After all, he *certainly* doesn't live up to it today.
The historians and intellectuals of the day didn't bother to mention
him (at least, those whose accounts have survived in some way, shape, or
form). The rabbinical writings are completely devoid of references to
him. Josephus was apparently altered to mention him. He wasn't much of
an issue until the Christian cult surfaced around seven or eight decades
later, which implies that he wasn't much of anything in real life.
"Miracles?" LOL! The god who supposedly scourged the Temple of the
evil moneychangers can't even put TBN out of business.
How *can* you have faith in an impotent ancient sky-pixie, Chas?
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Ken Smith wrote:
[the usual]
Who really killed Jesus? It was ... Ken Smith!
Proof it.
(OBmisc.legal: habeus corpus!)
OOOPS!
Susan
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