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But the information most potentially damaging to the prosecution came
early in the day when Bryant attorney Hal Haddon said that three swabs
of semen taken from the woman at her rape examination are from a man
other than Bryant - suggesting that the woman had sex with someone
else shortly after the alleged sexual assault.
In a written motion filed today when court was in session, Haddon
offered several reasons why the woman's sexual activity shortly before
and after her encounter with Bryant is relevant and should be an
exception to the rape shield law:
There is evidence that the accuser engaged in multiple acts of sexual
intercourse within the two days preceding and less than 15 hours
following her encounter with Bryant.
There is "factual similarity" between those acts and the circumstances
of the accuser's sexual intercourse with Bryant. The acts also show
the "accuser's knowledge, intent, common plan, pattern and modus
operandi with respect to whether she consented" to having sex with
Bryant.
There is evidence that the woman had sexual relationships with two
prosecution witnesses. The sexual history between the woman and those
witnesses is relevant to their credibility, Haddon said.
Ruckriegle spent much of the morning chastising prosecutors Mark
Hurlbert and Dana Easter. The judge took exception to Hurlbert
questioning an order Ruckriegle issued weeks ago, stipulating that all
physical evidence be turned over to the defense for testing.
Ruckriegle also was upset that Easter waited until Friday afternoon to
file a motion asking the judge to limit questions the defense will be
permitted to ask the alleged victim Tuesday during the rape shield
hearing.
The only bright spot for prosecutors came when Bryant bodyguard Troy
Laster testified during part of a hearing on whether statements Bryant
made to investigators July 1 should be suppressed because he was not
read his Miranda rights.
Laster, an off-duty LAPD officer, did not have a clear recollection of
many details and his testimony did not appear to help Bryant's
assertion that he believed he was in custody at the time of the
interrogation.
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s_knight8 wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-030104bryant_lat,1,2290282.story?coll=la-home-headlines
But the information most potentially damaging to the prosecution came
early in the day when Bryant attorney Hal Haddon said that three swabs
of semen taken from the woman at her rape examination are from a man
other than Bryant - suggesting that the woman had sex with someone
else shortly after the alleged sexual assault.
Boo Hoo. Rape is such a horrible crime she's destroyed for life and
will never be able to do sex again. Boo Hoo.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
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what a @$#*ing SKEEZER!!!
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" bozak" <bozak@mail.com> wrote
what a @$#*ing SKEEZER!!!
Yeah; the only thing nastier is the guy who'd rape her.
Chas
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" bozak" <bozak@mail.com> wrote
Yeah; the only thing nastier is the guy who'd rape her.
SKEEZER means never having to rape the slut...
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In article <R-WdnXkncoilWNndRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
" bozak" <bozak@mail.com> wrote
Yeah; the only thing nastier is the guy who'd rape her.
Chas
Yup, if Kobe did in fact rape her he is indeed nastier. I have a
feeling it wont be proven in a court of law tho
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In article <R-WdnXkncoilWNndRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
Yup, if Kobe did in fact rape her he is indeed nastier. I have a
feeling it wont be proven in a court of law tho
And it seems that's all many care about. Not whether or not he did it, but
'can it be proven.' That's the part I find sad.
td
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And it seems that's all many care about. Not whether or not he did it, but
'can it be proven.' That's the part I find sad.
well there is proof that she sure likes jizz everywhere and anywhere at
anytime...
proof enough that she is a two bit SKEEZER!!!
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:31:17 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
s_knight8 wrote:
Boo Hoo. Rape is such a horrible crime she's destroyed for life and
will never be able to do sex again. Boo Hoo.
Bob
Bob, perhaps the fact that you've never had sex is causing you to be
unsympathetic.
--
Like a game of pick up stick played by @$#*ing lunatics
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:37:22 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com>
wrote:
SKEEZER means never having to rape the slut...
Is that how your mother explained it?
--
Like a game of pick up stick played by @$#*ing lunatics
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:37:22 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com>
wrote:
Is that how your mother explained it?
yes... thats exactly what she said youre father told my father
about your mother...
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In article <R-WdnXkncoilWNndRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
Yup, if Kobe did in fact rape her he is indeed nastier. I have a
feeling it wont be proven in a court of law tho
I don't think so either, but just out of curiosity, did Kobe have to give
the cops blood AND semen samples?
Giselle (thinking of that very rare oddity: a dual secretor)
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I don't think so either, but just out of curiosity, did Kobe have
to give
the cops blood AND semen samples?
Giselle (thinking of that very rare oddity: a dual secretor)
Is that a real thing? I thought that was a myth, no?
OA
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:42:22 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com>
wrote:
yes... thats exactly what she said youre father told my father
about your mother...
Objection, hearsay, and who's youre?
--
Like a game of pick up stick played by @$#*ing lunatics
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:42:22 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com>
wrote:
Objection, hearsay, and who's youre?
should read your, but i guess that was just to hard for you
to figure out...
oh well, spell check, the last bastion of a loser...
enjoy... :-)
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:40:36 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com>
wrote:
should read your, but i guess that was just to hard for you
to figure out...
oh well, spell check, the last bastion of a loser...
enjoy... :-)
Since you couldn't spell, I guess it was too much for you to know when
you're being mocked. Poor Bozo
--
Like a game of pick up stick played by @$#*ing lunatics
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:32:43 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
Yeah; the only thing nastier is the guy who'd rape her.
If he had raped her.
It looks like consensual sex, that was taken advantage of by the skank
with advise of a more experienced skank, her mother.
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:40:36 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com> wrote:
should read your, but i guess that was just to hard for you
to figure out...
It's hard for everyone to read your unusual language.
oh well, spell check, the last bastion of a loser...
According to a loser like you?
You keep getting reminded of how bad you need an education every time
you post.
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In article <c230e5$1p4ta7$1@ID-178273.news.uni-berlin.de>,
bozak <bozak@mail.com> wrote:
well there is proof that she sure likes jizz everywhere and anywhere at
anytime...
proof enough that she is a two bit SKEEZER!!!
Apparently she was good enough for Kobe. But maybe he doesn't
share your lofty standards.
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Volfie "Scary Poppins" Jackson wrote:
I don't think so either, but just out of curiosity, did Kobe have to give
the cops blood AND semen samples?
Just a cheek swab is enough for DNA, although I imagine
they did a blood draw in order to type it.
Larry Coon
University of California
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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Volfie "Scary Poppins" Jackson wrote:
Just a cheek swab is enough for DNA, although I imagine
they did a blood draw in order to type it.
Larry Coon
University of California
Perhaps they should do both.
Giselle (I'm surprised they don't do it routinely)
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to give
Is that a real thing? I thought that was a myth, no?
OA
The Russian serial killer was a dual secretor. They had caught him earlier
in his career and blood typed him *and let him go*. It wasn't until the
lead detective contacted someone in America (iirc) that they thought of
testing both blood and semen which turned up the anomoly.
Giselle (and, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to go look up his name.)
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The Russian serial killer was a dual secretor. They had caught him
earlier
in his career and blood typed him *and let him go*. It wasn't until the
lead detective contacted someone in America (iirc) that they thought of
testing both blood and semen which turned up the anomoly.
Giselle (and, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to go look up his name.)
This will start you out:
http://members.fortunecity.com/hiperaktiv/chikatilo.html
Chikatilo was the guy's name. It mentions the blood/semen discrepancy here
but doesn't go into it much. I'm sure there are better articles out there.
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ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote:
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:31:17 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-030104bryant_lat,1,2290282.story?coll=la-home-headlines
But the information most potentially damaging to the prosecution
came
early in the day when Bryant attorney Hal Haddon said that three
swabs
of semen taken from the woman at her rape examination are from a
man
other than Bryant - suggesting that the woman had sex with someone
else shortly after the alleged sexual assault.
Bob, perhaps the fact that you've never had sex is causing you to be
unsympathetic.
Or, more likely Bob has had sex many, many times and knows that sex
isn't that big of a deal even if the female loses her total control over
men.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]
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Volfie "Scary Poppins" Jackson wrote:
The Russian serial killer was a dual secretor. They had caught him earlier
in his career and blood typed him *and let him go*. It wasn't until the
lead detective contacted someone in America (iirc) that they thought of
testing both blood and semen which turned up the anomoly.
Yeah but...correct me if I'm wrong, but this would only affect
blood typing and would not affect a DNA test in the least. And
as far as I know, DNA tests are being used for all samples in
this case.
Larry Coon
University of California
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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Volfie "Scary Poppins" Jackson wrote:
Perhaps they should do both.
What for? If they have his DNA, they have his DNA. It
isn't different in different types of samples, and it's
much more conclusive than a blood test.
Larry Coon
University of California
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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Volfie "Scary Poppins" Jackson wrote:
What for? If they have his DNA, they have his DNA. It
isn't different in different types of samples, and it's
much more conclusive than a blood test.
<slap!> Oh, DNA! You're right, of course, and I'm ashamed. I just got
caught in a time warp back to the 70s.
Giselle (I do that sometimes :)
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The Russian serial killer was a dual secretor. They had caught
him
earlier
This will start you out:
http://members.fortunecity.com/hiperaktiv/chikatilo.html
Chikatilo was the guy's name. It mentions the blood/semen
discrepancy here
but doesn't go into it much. I'm sure there are better articles
out there.
Yes, know the case, and I recall the lab person who typed him
claimed he was a "dual secreter" but I thought that was greeted with
scorn and derision by the scientific world and that it was generally
accepted she (the blood expert) made a gross error. Maybe I'm
remembering wrong?
OA
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The Russian serial killer was a dual secretor. They had caught
him
discrepancy here
out there.
Yes, know the case, and I recall the lab person who typed him
claimed he was a "dual secreter" but I thought that was greeted with
scorn and derision by the scientific world and that it was generally
accepted she (the blood expert) made a gross error. Maybe I'm
remembering wrong?
OA
Okay, now I know I'm old and stuff, but IIRC didn't they have something
like that on one of those CSI shows?
Chocolic
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Okay, now I know I'm old and stuff, but IIRC didn't they have
something
like that on one of those CSI shows?
Chocolic
Dunno, don't watch them. Are you saying this is a true phenomenon??
It could be that I'm just remembering something from one book I read
that misrepresented the full story of the Russian killer.
OA
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In article <c238en$i80@rac1.wam.umd.edu>, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
wrote:
well there is proof that she sure likes jizz everywhere and anywhere at
anytime...
proof enough that she is a two bit SKEEZER!!!
Apparently she was good enough for Kobe. But maybe he doesn't
share your lofty standards.
Anyone is good enough for Kobe, he is just a scumbag rapist ya know.
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Larry Coon <lcnospam@assist.org> writes:
Volfie "Scary Poppins" Jackson wrote:
What for? If they have his DNA, they have his DNA. It
isn't different in different types of samples, and it's
much more conclusive than a blood test.
One person can have different DNA in different parts of their body
c.f. chimaerism and mosaicism. The most confusing cases would be
where two non-identical twins merge during development. It would be
possible for the blood and semen of a suspect to be quite different.
The blood could even be female :-)
Larry Coon
University of California
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Alan
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University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL, U.K.
Tel: +44 161 275 6270 Fax: +44 161 275 6280
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:25:32 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote:
Or, more likely Bob has had sex many, many times and knows that sex
isn't that big of a deal even if the female loses her total control
over
men.
Bob
Or, much more likely Bob has a serious inferiority complex with
respect to women and the only way he can feel like a man is to post
bull#@($ on usenet instead of just living his life sans irrational
bias.
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no@spam.wanted wrote in message news:<b62240fe5c0e5930f27bfb0eba327126@news.teranews.com>...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:40:36 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com> wrote:
It's hard for everyone to read your unusual language.
then stop reading my posts dickhead...
or do i have control of your mind and you just cant
stop reading them???
According to a loser like you?
You keep getting reminded of how bad you need an education every time
you post.
yet the morons like yourself just cant help but answering
my posts...
:-)
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ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote in message news:<1f7a40p84sb1mqda15cljm7q2ioaj4c5ss@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:40:36 -0800, " bozak" <bozak@mail.com>
wrote:
Since you couldn't spell, I guess it was too much for you to know when
you're being mocked. Poor Bozo
should read your, but i guess that was just to hard for you
to figure out...
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On 3 Mar 2004 13:14:52 -0800, bozak@onebox.com (bozak) wrote:
no@spam.wanted wrote in message news:<b62240fe5c0e5930f27bfb0eba327126@news.teranews.com>...
then stop reading my posts dickhead...
Make me, jackass.
You post something in public, surprise, everyone reads it.
You don't want others to read your stupid posts, use email.
But you're too stupid to see these facts, as was proven earlier.
or do i have control of your mind and you just cant
stop reading them???
You don't have a control of your own head/ass, let alone anything
outside your own body.
oh well, spell check, the last bastion of a loser...
According to a loser like you?
You keep getting reminded of how bad you need an education every time
you post.
yet the morons like yourself just cant help but answering
my posts...
:-)
I can answer any post, loser.
Weren't you the one just pretending to be an "advocate of freedom and
choice" in another thread?
Now you are trying to control what others post, and whom they should
reply to.
What happened?
I knew that you are full of it.
And you still cant [sic] get an education.
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On 3 Mar 2004 13:16:16 -0800, bozak@onebox.com (bozak) wrote:
ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote in message news:<1f7a40p84sb1mqda15cljm7q2ioaj4c5ss@4ax.com>...
should read your, but i guess that was just to hard for you
to figure out...
And that should be "too hard", genius. :-)
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In article <R-WdnXkncoilWNndRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
" bozak" <bozak@mail.com> wrote
Yeah; the only thing nastier is the guy who'd rape her.
Chas
Good thing Kobe didn't rape her, in that case. Kobe stopped their
consensual interactions when she told him to do so. Det. Winters testified
to that in Day 2 of the prelim hearing.
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