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Re: Blair Accused Of War Crimes Charges Before ICC



ManualInsert@DB.com
3/2/2004 10:24:54 PM


 
 
"=> Vox Populi ©"
3/2/2004 12:31:56 PM


Mujahid wrote:
Blair Accused Of War Crimes Charges Before ICC
LONDON, March 2 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) - A British
anti-Iraq war group said Tuesday, March 2, it wants the International
Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague to consider whether Prime Minister
Tony Blair officials should be tried for war crimes amid a political
furor that the British attorney general was forced to rewrite his
legal advice before the Iraq invasion.
Submitting a petition to the court, the Legal Action Against War said
it was also asking the court to look into similar alleged offences by
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon and
Attorney General Lord Goldsmith, British daily The Guardian reported.
It said "a principal charge" against the four men was "intentionally
launching an attack knowing that it will cause incidental loss of life
or injury to civilians".
The group said "a principal charge" was "intentionally launching an
attack knowing that it will cause incidental loss of life or injury to
civilians".
At a press conference in London, the anti-war group hit out at "the
genocidal blockade and inhuman attacks on Iraq", the British daily
said.
The petition came just two days after a coalition of anti-war groups
said it intended to take legal action for "mass murder" against Blair
and U.S. President George W. Bush before the ICC.
"What has happened is the mass murder of 20,000 or so Iraqis," Agence
France-Presse (AFP) quoted as saying Chris Coverdale, a spokesman for
the Stop the War coalition.
"The war with Iraq was illegal but, furthermore, crimes were
committed," Coverdale said. "Therefore you want to ensure that people
who have committed the crimes answer for them in court."
The movement brought an estimated one million people to demonstrate
against the war in London a year ago and up to 200,000 braved massive
security to protest at a visit by Bush to London in November 2003.
Wartime Bush and Blair faced similar war crimes charges last June
after law suits were filed against them in Belgium under the universal
competence law.
Archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Desmond Tutu said last month
that Blair and Bush should have the guts to say sorry for waging an
"immoral war" on Iraq.
The International Criminal Court is an independent international
organisation and was established on 17 July 1998 by the Rome Statue of
the ICC. Eighteen judges are permanent members of the Court and are
elected by a secret ballot.
Advice Rewritten
The war crimes campaign came as it also emerged that Goldsmith was
forced hastily to redraft his legal advice to Blair to give an
"unequivocal" assurance to the armed forces that the conflict would be
legal, The Observer reported on Saturday, February 29.
The daily revealed that Britain's Army chiefs refused to go to war in
Iraq amid fears that they could be tried in the future for engaging in
an illegal war.
"Goldsmith wrote to Blair at the end of January [2003] voicing
concerns that the war might be illegal without a second resolution
from the United Nations," the paper said.
Senior British officials told The Observer that Goldsmith was "sitting
on the fence" and that his initial advice was "prevaricating".
The paper said Chief of Staff Michael Boyce only gave his troops the
go-ahead after seeing Goldsmith's final legal advice.
The bombshell's source is unpublished legal documents in the case of
whistleblower Katharine Gun, the intelligence officer, who was accused
of breaching the Official Secrets Act by leaking an e-mail about a
U.S. request that Britain help bug United Nations delegations before
the Iraq war.
Goldsmith surprisingly dropped on February 25 charges against her in
what was seen as a bid to prevent these details from being revealed in
open court.
Commenting on the revelations, Menzies Campbell, Liberal Democrat
Foreign Affairs spokesman, said: "I have no doubt whatever that if
Parliament had been told these things, the Government would not have
achieved its majority and been unable to go to war."
"Public opinion, already deeply divided, would have swung
overwhelmingly against the Government," he added.
The revelations will also increase pressure for the Butler inquiry to
study the Gun case.
Blair bowed to mounting pressures both from his Labor Party and the
opposition and announced a cross-party inquiry into the quality of
British intelligence about Iraq's alleged weapons, which have not been
found so far.
Congress-pressured Bush ordered in February a bipartisan commission to
probe apparent flaws in intelligence used to invade Iraq.
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"Wotan"
3/2/2004 8:16:31 PM




"=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
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Mujahid wrote:
 
 
Marmaduke@nospam.co.uk
3/2/2004 11:03:23 PM


On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:31:56 -0700, "=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li>
wrote:
Mujahid wrote:
 
 
"=> Vox Populi ©"
3/2/2004 11:24:54 PM


Fay wrote:
alfalastinee@netscape.net (Mujahid) wrote in
news:1b90217.0403021122.3db757ed@posting.google.com:
America is not a member of the ICC.
Care to guess why ...?
.... although it is understandable that you would assume
Tony Blair is a member of the U$ Gov't ...
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
 
 
johnmanyjars@eatshit.com
3/3/2004 8:52:15 AM


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Malev
3/3/2004 10:36:55 AM


On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:52:15 GMT, johnmanyjars@eat#@($.com wrote:
<snip - quoted #@($ from Wotanidiot and Poxtroll deleted>
Sad, but true.
Please don't quote these two idiots' rubbish.
They are in everyone's killfile.
 
 
claire.easthope@ntlworld.com (Claire)
3/3/2004 4:55:20 AM


Yes, the attempts of Blair and Bush to put Slobodan Milosovitch on
trial for war crimes in Yugoslavia, are looking pretty sick and
hypocritical when they are both guilty of at least as much death in
Iraq and Afghanistan !
You see when you start claiming a British Prime Minister is equivocal
to a Serbian Neo-Nazi dictator who ethnically cleansed' his own
country I know you're not worth listening to! Keep it in perspective
here if America and Britain had found WMDs in Iraq would we have
cared about the legal niceties? Of course not. My cousin's husband is
an Albanian half his family are missing he doesn't think US
intervention in the Balkans was a bad idea!
The only difference is that Milosovitch was slaughtering Moslems
to protect his own Christain population - whereas Bush and Blair
were slaughering Moslems because Israel wanted them slaughtered.
Now I know your true colours I see it isn't actually worth talking to
you because you are too full of hatred to see anything. I remember an
Arab professor talking to a BBC news show via a satellite link saying
that we were going to war because Gordon Brown is Jewish! Do you
realise how un-credible you are with that bull #@($? In honesty the
British Government doesn't consider Israel an ally more of a problem
to form policies about.
 
 
"=> Vox Populi ©"
3/3/2004 8:42:58 AM


Malev wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:52:15 GMT, johnmanyjars@eat#@($.com wrote:
<snip - quoted #@($ from Wotanidiot and Poxtroll deleted>
Please don't quote these two idiots' rubbish.
They are in everyone's killfile.
Claims malev the pathological liar.
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
 
 
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