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Mujahid wrote:
Blair Accused Of War Crimes Charges Before ICC LONDON, March 2 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) - A British anti-Iraq war group said Tuesday, March 2, it wants the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague to consider whether Prime Minister Tony Blair officials should be tried for war crimes amid a political furor that the British attorney general was forced to rewrite his legal advice before the Iraq invasion. Submitting a petition to the court, the Legal Action Against War said it was also asking the court to look into similar alleged offences by Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon and Attorney General Lord Goldsmith, British daily The Guardian reported. It said "a principal charge" against the four men was "intentionally launching an attack knowing that it will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians". The group said "a principal charge" was "intentionally launching an attack knowing that it will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians". At a press conference in London, the anti-war group hit out at "the genocidal blockade and inhuman attacks on Iraq", the British daily said. The petition came just two days after a coalition of anti-war groups said it intended to take legal action for "mass murder" against Blair and U.S. President George W. Bush before the ICC. "What has happened is the mass murder of 20,000 or so Iraqis," Agence France-Presse (AFP) quoted as saying Chris Coverdale, a spokesman for the Stop the War coalition. "The war with Iraq was illegal but, furthermore, crimes were committed," Coverdale said. "Therefore you want to ensure that people who have committed the crimes answer for them in court." The movement brought an estimated one million people to demonstrate against the war in London a year ago and up to 200,000 braved massive security to protest at a visit by Bush to London in November 2003. Wartime Bush and Blair faced similar war crimes charges last June after law suits were filed against them in Belgium under the universal competence law. Archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Desmond Tutu said last month that Blair and Bush should have the guts to say sorry for waging an "immoral war" on Iraq. The International Criminal Court is an independent international organisation and was established on 17 July 1998 by the Rome Statue of the ICC. Eighteen judges are permanent members of the Court and are elected by a secret ballot. Advice Rewritten The war crimes campaign came as it also emerged that Goldsmith was forced hastily to redraft his legal advice to Blair to give an "unequivocal" assurance to the armed forces that the conflict would be legal, The Observer reported on Saturday, February 29. The daily revealed that Britain's Army chiefs refused to go to war in Iraq amid fears that they could be tried in the future for engaging in an illegal war. "Goldsmith wrote to Blair at the end of January [2003] voicing concerns that the war might be illegal without a second resolution from the United Nations," the paper said. Senior British officials told The Observer that Goldsmith was "sitting on the fence" and that his initial advice was "prevaricating". The paper said Chief of Staff Michael Boyce only gave his troops the go-ahead after seeing Goldsmith's final legal advice. The bombshell's source is unpublished legal documents in the case of whistleblower Katharine Gun, the intelligence officer, who was accused of breaching the Official Secrets Act by leaking an e-mail about a U.S. request that Britain help bug United Nations delegations before the Iraq war. Goldsmith surprisingly dropped on February 25 charges against her in what was seen as a bid to prevent these details from being revealed in open court. Commenting on the revelations, Menzies Campbell, Liberal Democrat Foreign Affairs spokesman, said: "I have no doubt whatever that if Parliament had been told these things, the Government would not have achieved its majority and been unable to go to war." "Public opinion, already deeply divided, would have swung overwhelmingly against the Government," he added. The revelations will also increase pressure for the Butler inquiry to study the Gun case. Blair bowed to mounting pressures both from his Labor Party and the opposition and announced a cross-party inquiry into the quality of British intelligence about Iraq's alleged weapons, which have not been found so far. Congress-pressured Bush ordered in February a bipartisan commission to probe apparent flaws in intelligence used to invade Iraq. http://islamonline.net/
-- "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:31:56 -0700, "=> Vox Populi " <vox@popu.li> wrote:
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Fay wrote:
alfalastinee@netscape.net (Mujahid) wrote in news:1b90217.0403021122.3db757ed@posting.google.com: America is not a member of the ICC.
Care to guess why ...? .... although it is understandable that you would assume Tony Blair is a member of the U$ Gov't ... -- "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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On 2-Mar-2004, "Wotan" <Wotan@Valhalla.net> wrote:
From: "Wotan" <Wotan@Valhalla.net> Newsgroups: alt.politics.british,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.republicans,alt.religion.islam,misc.legal,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.iraq,talk.politics.mideast,uk.politics.misc References: <1b90217.0403021122.3db757ed@posting.google.com> <Pi51c.123$M85.30163@news.uswest.net> Subject: Re: Blair Accused Of War Crimes Charges Before ICC - Bu$h is Next ! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:16:31 -0000 Lines: 44 Organization: Valhalla X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.78.90.86 Message-ID: <4044eabf@212.67.96.135> X-Trace: 2 Mar 2004 20:12:47 GMT, 213.78.90.86 Path: News.100ProofNews.com!in.100proofnews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!212.67.96.135!213.78.90.86 Xref: OS30 alt.politics.british:43634 alt.politics.bush:216261 alt.politics.republicans:49592 alt.religion.islam:53547 misc.legal:15196 soc.culture.british:39258 soc.culture.iraq:23267 talk.politics.mideast:31446 uk.politics.misc:76569
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:52:15 GMT, johnmanyjars@eat#@($.com wrote: <snip - quoted #@($ from Wotanidiot and Poxtroll deleted>
Sad, but true.
Please don't quote these two idiots' rubbish. They are in everyone's killfile.
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Yes, the attempts of Blair and Bush to put Slobodan Milosovitch on trial for war crimes in Yugoslavia, are looking pretty sick and hypocritical when they are both guilty of at least as much death in Iraq and Afghanistan !
You see when you start claiming a British Prime Minister is equivocal to a Serbian Neo-Nazi dictator who ethnically cleansed' his own country I know you're not worth listening to! Keep it in perspective here if America and Britain had found WMDs in Iraq would we have cared about the legal niceties? Of course not. My cousin's husband is an Albanian half his family are missing he doesn't think US intervention in the Balkans was a bad idea!
The only difference is that Milosovitch was slaughtering Moslems to protect his own Christain population - whereas Bush and Blair were slaughering Moslems because Israel wanted them slaughtered.
Now I know your true colours I see it isn't actually worth talking to you because you are too full of hatred to see anything. I remember an Arab professor talking to a BBC news show via a satellite link saying that we were going to war because Gordon Brown is Jewish! Do you realise how un-credible you are with that bull #@($? In honesty the British Government doesn't consider Israel an ally more of a problem to form policies about.
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Malev wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:52:15 GMT, johnmanyjars@eat#@($.com wrote: <snip - quoted #@($ from Wotanidiot and Poxtroll deleted> Please don't quote these two idiots' rubbish. They are in everyone's killfile.
Claims malev the pathological liar. -- "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
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