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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant3mar03,1,3601032.story?coll=la-headlines-sports EAGLE, Colo. — The judge in the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case denied a prosecution attempt to halt the evidentiary hearing on the rape-shield law Tuesday, and Dist. Atty. Mark Hurlbert indicated he would appeal the ruling to the Colorado Supreme Court. Judge Terry Ruckriegle also denied for a second time a motion to limit the scope of questions that defense attorneys would be allowed to ask the woman accusing Bryant of rape. The Supreme Court could consider overturning that ruling as well, according to prosecution spokeswoman Krista Flannigan. First, however, the high court must decide whether it will hear the appeal, a decision that could be made as soon as Friday. Other developments occurred outside the courtroom. A forensics expert said it is nearly impossible to determine the age of semen taken in a rape examination, calling into question a defense allegation that the accuser had sex with another man less than 15 hours after she said she was raped by the Laker star. In open court Monday, defense attorney Hal Haddon said that swabs of semen taken from the woman were from a man other than Bryant, and he suggested in a written motion that she had sex with someone else after the alleged sexual assault and before the rape exam. The allegation was not new. In a court filing Jan. 12, defense attorney Pamela Mackey suggested "an intervening sex act." Mackey also wrote that the woman "told law enforcement that the underwear had been clean when she put them on, and laundering of the underwear would have destroyed any semen present." Pete Mang, a spokesman for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, said in an interview Tuesday that the only way to gauge of the age of semen is to test for sperm, which can remain present for about 72 hours. That would indicate the defense has no forensic evidence that proves the woman had sex after the alleged rape. But Mang also said it would be "highly unusual" for dried semen from underwear to transfer to a person's body and be detected in a swab. That would support the defense assertion that the semen from the swab is from a different sexual episode than the semen on the underwear. "It is going to be a difficult day for her," legal expert Craig Silverman said. "She will be asked to name names. She will be asked where sex took place, the level of force that was used and about her level of sobriety." The woman can account for most of the 15-hour period beginning when she left Bryant's hotel room and ending with her rape examination. However, testimony indicates bellman Bobby Pietrack followed her home from the hotel, and the next morning she was alone at home for several hours before calling her mother at work.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6bd12cd6.0403030739.37bc8061@posting.google.com...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant3mar03,1,3601032.story?coll=la-headlines-sports EAGLE, Colo. — The judge in the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case denied a prosecution attempt to halt the evidentiary hearing on the rape-shield law Tuesday, and Dist. Atty. Mark Hurlbert indicated he would appeal the ruling to the Colorado Supreme Court. Judge Terry Ruckriegle also denied for a second time a motion to limit the scope of questions that defense attorneys would be allowed to ask the woman accusing Bryant of rape. The Supreme Court could consider overturning that ruling as well, according to prosecution spokeswoman Krista Flannigan. First, however, the high court must decide whether it will hear the appeal, a decision that could be made as soon as Friday. Other developments occurred outside the courtroom. A forensics expert said it is nearly impossible to determine the age of semen taken in a rape examination, calling into question a defense allegation that the accuser had sex with another man less than 15 hours after she said she was raped by the Laker star.
OK maybe you can't put a time stamp on the semen that was found on her body during the rape kit but one would assume that the girl showers once in awhile and according to her she had sex two full days before the Kobe incident...so either she didn't shower for three days or she had sex with another partner after Kobe. Pretty clear if I understand the situation correctly.
In open court Monday, defense attorney Hal Haddon said that swabs of semen taken from the woman were from a man other than Bryant, and he suggested in a written motion that she had sex with someone else after the alleged sexual assault and before the rape exam. The allegation was not new. In a court filing Jan. 12, defense attorney Pamela Mackey suggested "an intervening sex act." Mackey also wrote that the woman "told law enforcement that the underwear had been clean when she put them on, and laundering of the underwear would have destroyed any semen present." Pete Mang, a spokesman for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, said in an interview Tuesday that the only way to gauge of the age of semen is to test for sperm, which can remain present for about 72 hours. That would indicate the defense has no forensic evidence that proves the woman had sex after the alleged rape. But Mang also said it would be "highly unusual" for dried semen from underwear to transfer to a person's body and be detected in a swab. That would support the defense assertion that the semen from the swab is from a different sexual episode than the semen on the underwear. "It is going to be a difficult day for her," legal expert Craig Silverman said. "She will be asked to name names. She will be asked where sex took place, the level of force that was used and about her level of sobriety." The woman can account for most of the 15-hour period beginning when she left Bryant's hotel room and ending with her rape examination. However, testimony indicates bellman Bobby Pietrack followed her home from the hotel, and the next morning she was alone at home for several hours before calling her mother at work.
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"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> schreef in bericht news:kRn1c.15121$qA2.760811@news20.bellglobal.com...
"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6bd12cd6.0403030739.37bc8061@posting.google.com... http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant3mar03,1,3601032.story?coll=la-headlines-sports Other developments occurred outside the courtroom. A forensics expert said it is nearly impossible to determine the age of semen taken in a rape examination, calling into question a defense allegation that the accuser had sex with another man less than 15 hours after she said she was raped by the Laker star.
OK maybe you can't put a time stamp on the semen that was found on her body during the rape kit but one would assume that the girl showers once in awhile and according to her she had sex two full days before the Kobe incident...so either she didn't shower for three days or she had sex with another partner after Kobe. Pretty clear if I understand the situation correctly.
Don't women usually shower/bathe at least once per day? Wouldn't that be more often, if they'd had sex? Here is what right now seems the obvious answer. She has sex with Kobe. Then, Bobby Pietrack brings her home - she has sex with Bobby Pietrack. It would make sense that the semen belongs to him. Alex The woman can account for most of the 15-hour period beginning when she left Bryant's hotel room and ending with her rape examination. However, testimony indicates bellman Bobby Pietrack followed her home from the hotel, and the next morning she was alone at home for several hours before calling her mother at work.
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"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOF@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message news:40462d96$0$63143$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl...
"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> schreef in bericht news:kRn1c.15121$qA2.760811@news20.bellglobal.com... news:6bd12cd6.0403030739.37bc8061@posting.google.com... http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant3mar03,1,3601032.story?coll=la-headlines-sports Other developments occurred outside the courtroom. A forensics expert said it is nearly impossible to determine the age of semen taken in a rape examination, calling into question a defense allegation that the accuser had sex with another man less than 15 hours after she said she was raped by the Laker star. Don't women usually shower/bathe at least once per day? Wouldn't that be more often, if they'd had sex? Here is what right now seems the obvious answer. She has sex with Kobe. Then, Bobby Pietrack brings her home - she has sex with Bobby Pietrack. It would make sense that the semen belongs to him.
That would be pretty damning to the prosecution since he is their star witness. Another possibility would be that she had sex with her ex-boyfriend at some point after the alleged rape which if you follow the all the speculation (because that is what this all is at this point) would make more sense. I can't remeber where I read it but there was an article that stated that she may have had sex with Bobby Pietrack prior to the alleged rape.
Alex The woman can account for most of the 15-hour period beginning when she left Bryant's hotel room and ending with her rape examination. However, testimony indicates bellman Bobby Pietrack followed her home from the hotel, and the next morning she was alone at home for several hours before calling her mother at work.
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"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> schreef in bericht news:nlq1c.16050$qA2.782161@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOF@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
news:40462d96$0$63143$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl... Don't women usually shower/bathe at least once per day? Wouldn't that be more often, if they'd had sex? Here is what right now seems the obvious answer. She has sex with Kobe. Then, Bobby Pietrack brings her home - she has sex with Bobby Pietrack. It would make sense that the semen belongs to him.
That would be pretty damning to the prosecution since he is their star witness. Another possibility would be that she had sex with her ex-boyfriend at some point after the alleged rape which if you follow the all the speculation (because that is what this all is at this point) would make more sense.
I thought Pietrack was (one of) her ex-boyfriend(s). Alex
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In article <kRn1c.15121$qA2.760811@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> wrote: Other developments occurred outside the courtroom. A forensics expert said it is nearly impossible to determine the age of semen taken in a rape examination, calling into question a defense allegation that the accuser had sex with another man less than 15 hours after she said she was raped by the Laker star.
OK maybe you can't put a time stamp on the semen that was found on her body during the rape kit but one would assume that the girl showers once in awhile and according to her she had sex two full days before the Kobe incident...so either she didn't shower for three days or she had sex with another partner after Kobe. Pretty clear if I understand the situation correctly.
Here's a possibility. According to SANE, the presence of sperm cells in semen samples becomes exceedingly difficult to detect (due to deterioration) starting at about 5+ hours after the assault. If the swabs were initially tested right after they were taken, perhaps they found some sperm cells. Such evidence might be able to put a timeframe on when she had sex. Either that, or the defense managed to get the guy in question to confess or he told someone about boffing KF the next morning and then that someone passed it along to the defense. Either that, or KF is simply your average teenage girl who shows up to work behind the front desk of an elite hotel without having showered for a few days and wearing crusty panties.
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s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote in message news:<6bd12cd6.0403030739.37bc8061@posting.google.com>...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant3mar03,1,3601032.story?coll=la-headlines-sports EAGLE, Colo. — The judge in the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case denied a prosecution attempt to halt the evidentiary hearing on the rape-shield law Tuesday, and Dist. Atty. Mark Hurlbert indicated he would appeal the ruling to the Colorado Supreme Court. Judge Terry Ruckriegle also denied for a second time a motion to limit the scope of questions that defense attorneys would be allowed to ask the woman accusing Bryant of rape.
While Hulbert is within his rights to appeal to the Colorado Supreme Court, I think it was his inexperience in not responding to defense claims to limit the scope of questions during the evidentiary hearing on the rape-shield law that put him into this bind. The judge gave the prosecution plenty of time to respond. The prosecution did not respond in a timely manner. Fenster
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