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A night of partying at a local bar has placed a Calgary man in the
middle of the Kobe Bryant rape case. Wes Dawson, 22, spent an evening
dancing and flirting with a blonde stranger only to later discover she
was the mysterious young woman who'd earlier accused Kobe Bryant of
raping her.
And now pictures of him kissing and grinding with the woman are on the
front page of a popular supermarket magazine.
"It's kind of weird," said Wes Dawson about having his mug splashed
over a two-page spread with the headline 'Kobe Accuser Parties.'
Over the August long weekend, Dawson was with friends at Outlaws
Niteclub when a woman he never met asked if her friends could take a
picture of them. Those photos -- taken after the alleged rape -- shows
Bryant's accuser dancing, kissing and being licked by Dawson -- and
landed Dawson on the front of the Globe.
"She was the only girl in the bar acting that way -- you usually don't
have girls going up to you like that," said Dawson, who maintains the
young woman was the instigator of the encounter.
Shortly after, Bryant's lawyers showed up at his doorstep -- and
they've been in regular contact with him ever since.
"They asked for a statement and now they want me to go down to
Colorado to testify at the trial -- I'm still thinking about it," he
said.
"Nothing like this has happened to me before -- I was just sitting in
the corner of the bar, near the back and she sat in my lap and her
friends took pictures," he said.
Dawson also noticed the woman dancing around tables that night, and by
the end of the evening she wanted to leave with him, he said.
"I just went home, but she wanted to do something afterwards, a party
or something," said Dawson.
He hasn't seen Bryant's accuser since that night and doesn't want to.
"No, I don't want to talk to her again," he said.
Bryant's defence team also has pictures of her trip to Outlaws, which
could be used to counter arguments by the prosecution that the accused
was traumatized by her encounter with Bryant.
The photos surfaced after an exclusive Calgary Sun story on Aug. 15.,
confirming a tip a high-profile private eye, working for Bryant's
defence team, was in the city digging up information on Bryant's
accuser.
Her trip to Calgary was also recently chronicled in the book Kobe
Bryant: The Game of His Life, by Jeffrey Scott Shapiro.
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http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2004/03/05/370907.html
A night of partying at a local bar has placed a Calgary man in the
middle of the Kobe Bryant rape case. Wes Dawson, 22, spent an evening
dancing and flirting with a blonde stranger only to later discover she
was the mysterious young woman who'd earlier accused Kobe Bryant of
raping her.
And now pictures of him kissing and grinding with the woman are on the
front page of a popular supermarket magazine.
I would love to know which magazine that was or get a link to the pics...
"It's kind of weird," said Wes Dawson about having his mug splashed
over a two-page spread with the headline 'Kobe Accuser Parties.'
Over the August long weekend, Dawson was with friends at Outlaws
Niteclub when a woman he never met asked if her friends could take a
picture of them. Those photos -- taken after the alleged rape -- shows
Bryant's accuser dancing, kissing and being licked by Dawson -- and
landed Dawson on the front of the Globe.
"She was the only girl in the bar acting that way -- you usually don't
have girls going up to you like that," said Dawson, who maintains the
young woman was the instigator of the encounter.
Shortly after, Bryant's lawyers showed up at his doorstep -- and
they've been in regular contact with him ever since.
"They asked for a statement and now they want me to go down to
Colorado to testify at the trial -- I'm still thinking about it," he
said.
"Nothing like this has happened to me before -- I was just sitting in
the corner of the bar, near the back and she sat in my lap and her
friends took pictures," he said.
Dawson also noticed the woman dancing around tables that night, and by
the end of the evening she wanted to leave with him, he said.
"I just went home, but she wanted to do something afterwards, a party
or something," said Dawson.
He hasn't seen Bryant's accuser since that night and doesn't want to.
"No, I don't want to talk to her again," he said.
Bryant's defence team also has pictures of her trip to Outlaws, which
could be used to counter arguments by the prosecution that the accused
was traumatized by her encounter with Bryant.
Now would these actions be covered under the Colorado rape sheild laws?
The photos surfaced after an exclusive Calgary Sun story on Aug. 15.,
confirming a tip a high-profile private eye, working for Bryant's
defence team, was in the city digging up information on Bryant's
accuser.
Her trip to Calgary was also recently chronicled in the book Kobe
Bryant: The Game of His Life, by Jeffrey Scott Shapiro.
Not so sure Shapiro covered her trip to Calgary in quite the same way. Talk about self-character assassination.
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"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> wrote in
news:Tt12c.18968$qA2.1252202@news20.bellglobal.com:
I would love to know which magazine that was or get a link to the
pics...
http://www.globemagazine.com/
--
I need help, ladies and gentlemens
I need someone to stand beside me
I need, I need someone to set a pick for me
at the free-throw line of life
Someone I can pass to
Someone to hit the open man on the give-and-go
And not end up in the popcorn machine
--Cheech & Chong - Basketball Jones featuring Tyrone Shoelaces
....Chick Hearn, sing along with us
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Here ya go:
http://www.globemagazine.com/
"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2004/03/05/370907.html
A night of partying at a local bar has placed a Calgary man in the
middle of the Kobe Bryant rape case. Wes Dawson, 22, spent an evening
dancing and flirting with a blonde stranger only to later discover she
was the mysterious young woman who'd earlier accused Kobe Bryant of
raping her.
And now pictures of him kissing and grinding with the woman are on the
front page of a popular supermarket magazine.
I would love to know which magazine that was or get a link to the pics...
Now would these actions be covered under the Colorado rape sheild laws?
Not so sure Shapiro covered her trip to Calgary in quite the same way.
Talk about self-character assassination.
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On 5 Mar 2004 07:39:08 -0800, s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote:
Over the August long weekend, Dawson was with friends at Outlaws
Niteclub when a woman he never met asked if her friends could take a
picture of them. Those photos -- taken after the alleged rape -- shows
Bryant's accuser dancing, kissing and being licked by Dawson -- and
landed Dawson on the front of the Globe.
"She was the only girl in the bar acting that way -- you usually don't
have girls going up to you like that," said Dawson, who maintains the
young woman was the instigator of the encounter.
ROFL.
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
This is the exact behavior of someone who got raped and her life was
destroyed, ...etc.
I'm sure some jackass will scream "irrelevant" somewhere.
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<no@spam.wanted> wrote
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
This is the exact behavior of someone who got raped and her life was
destroyed, ...etc.
I'm sure some jackass will scream "irrelevant" somewhere.
I'll be happy to.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom. She has the
option of choosing with whom to be trampy; any scenario you choose, she
still has the choice to say nuh-uh.
In fact, if she is a tramp, one would presuppose that she knows the
difference between consent and refusal on a very personal basis, and her
perception of the event could be counted upon to be fully informed.
You know, like your Mom.
Chas
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:37:29 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
<no@spam.wanted> wrote
I'll be happy to
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom.
how in the hell do you know that? you just turned what might have been
an interesting debate, into just more mud-slinging. Way to render your
own argument moot. Dont tell me, you're <shudder> one of them
furry-legged hyphen-named femmedooders. This is why feminism always
fails. The deliverers of the message are always these stuck up
holier-than-thou sneering hypocrits. People hate them, not because of
their message, but because they're obnoxious.
In fact, if she is a tramp, one would presuppose that she knows the
difference between consent and refusal on a very personal basis, and her
perception of the event could be counted upon to be fully informed.
You know, like your Mom.
actually honey, YOU are the one that apparently seems to know what
it's all about to be "trampy".
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So, a person who claims to be "traumatized" by a rape still has a solid case
even if they go out seeking the affection of absolute strangers and inviting
them home with them? While I agree this is not the same as proof positive
that a rape did not occur. At the very best this makes things easier for
the defense. They have a motive for her false accusation, attention
depravation.
<no@spam.wanted> wrote
I'll be happy to.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom. She has the
option of choosing with whom to be trampy; any scenario you choose, she
still has the choice to say nuh-uh.
In fact, if she is a tramp, one would presuppose that she knows the
difference between consent and refusal on a very personal basis, and her
perception of the event could be counted upon to be fully informed.
You know, like your Mom.
Chas
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she is one ignorant skeezer...
you would think she would lay low until she got her cash...
looks like she isnt going to get #@($ out of this other than
the reputation of a person who will do anything for money...
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<no@spam.wanted> wrote
I'll be happy to.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom. She has the
option of choosing with whom to be trampy; any scenario you choose, she
still has the choice to say nuh-uh.
In fact, if she is a tramp, one would presuppose that she knows the
difference between consent and refusal on a very personal basis, and her
perception of the event could be counted upon to be fully informed.
You know, like your Mom.
lol... your feelings are hurt by this...
good... :-)
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Chas wrote:
<no@spam.wanted> wrote
I'll be happy to.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp-
Let's not. Let's just say, she's not acting like any "rape victim"
*I* ever heard of...
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In article <49f8c282dcf47ae39f03e0c1fd975abf@news.teranews.com>,
<no@spam.wanted> wrote:
On 5 Mar 2004 07:39:08 -0800, s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote:
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And at the mention of Jackass who appears but Chas the hick with too much time on his hands. And watch out everyone
cause he has his full arsenal of elementary level "your Mom" insults to throw around.
"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote in message news:X_2dnX6rJad0VdXdRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
<no@spam.wanted> wrote
I'll be happy to.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom. She has the
option of choosing with whom to be trampy; any scenario you choose, she
still has the choice to say nuh-uh.
In fact, if she is a tramp, one would presuppose that she knows the
difference between consent and refusal on a very personal basis, and her
perception of the event could be counted upon to be fully informed.
You know, like your Mom.
Chas
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Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in news:c2ake2$jtt$1
@stan.redhat.com:
Let's not. Let's just say, she's not acting like any "rape victim"
*I* ever heard of...
Yeah, agreed.
--
--Robert
When the log rolls over, we'll all be dead
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"broadway" <blah@microsoft.com> wrote
So, a person who claims to be "traumatized" by a rape still has a solid
case
even if they go out seeking the affection of absolute strangers and
inviting
them home with them?
Sure. Some women become promiscuous, others sink into alcoholism or drug
addiction, others agoraphobic and reclusive, others suicidal. Women, and men
for that matter, have all sorts of reactions to such an indignity.
She may have had sex with a procession of men, only one of whom raped her.
As it is a crime of violence rather than sex, she may make a formation
against being violated that has nothing to do with her sex life.
Chas
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"howldog" <god_of_blunder@yahoo.com> wrote
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom.
how in the hell do you know that? you just turned what might have been
an interesting debate, into just more mud-slinging.
You don't find the word 'skank' to be pejorative?
Insults breed insults; you know, like yer Mom.
<g>
c.
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
Let's not. Let's just say, she's not acting like any "rape victim"
*I* ever heard of...
keyword being 'I'.
I worked with battered women shelters/rape crisis/suicide hotline for years.
I've done intakes and referrals, self-defense training, escort work; watched
dozens of women in crisis. I've seen everybody from old whores to 10 yr. old
girls victimized by rape, and there just isn't an in-common response.
I find the accuser's account, as published so far, to be a classic situation
for sexual assault- and her demeanor subsequent to be entirely 'in
character' for someone victimized. Every woman's reaction is entirely
individual, and no generalities can be drawn except in hindsight.
Chas
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"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> wrote
And at the mention of Jackass who appears but Chas the hick with too much
time on his hands. And watch out everyone
cause he has his full arsenal of elementary level "your Mom" insults to
throw around.
I wouldn't throw your Mom around- they just move the line in front of her.
c.
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Chas wrote
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom.
how in the hell do you know that? you just turned what might have been an
interesting debate, into just more mud-slinging.
You don't find the word 'skank' to be pejorative? Insults breed insults; you
know, like yer Mom. <g>
Ohhhh, goooooooooood point.... LOL
--------
have a GREAT day !!!!
Solar
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"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote in message news:gpmdnVTemKzLeNXd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"broadway" <blah@microsoft.com> wrote
case
inviting
Sure. Some women become promiscuous, others sink into alcoholism or drug
addiction, others agoraphobic and reclusive, others suicidal. Women, and men
for that matter, have all sorts of reactions to such an indignity.
She may have had sex with a procession of men, only one of whom raped her.
As it is a crime of violence rather than sex, she may make a formation
against being violated that has nothing to do with her sex life.
Chas
I finally figured it out...you are a transexual crossdressing, alcholic, reclusive, drug addict who has been raped and
therefore will grasp at anything just to believe that this girl is an innocent victim. Thanks for clearing that up Chaz
or would you prefer Charlize...
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"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote in message news:h_OdnfNYwLUYddXd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> wrote
time on his hands. And watch out everyone
throw around.
I wouldn't throw your Mom around- they just move the line in front of her.
c.
Oh wow....how impressive...another "Your Mom" comeback... I am having flashbacks of elementary school...you know that
place where you just couldn't get over the hump and graduate like the rest of the kids.
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On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:16:59 GMT, no@spam.wanted wrote:
On 5 Mar 2004 07:39:08 -0800, s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote:
ROFL.
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
This is the exact behavior of someone who got raped and her life was
destroyed, ...etc.
I'm sure some jackass will scream "irrelevant" somewhere.
It is irrelevent. But you probably don't understand why or how.
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:37:29 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
<no@spam.wanted> wrote
I'll be happy to.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom. She has the
option of choosing with whom to be trampy; any scenario you choose, she
still has the choice to say nuh-uh.
In fact, if she is a tramp, one would presuppose that she knows the
difference between consent and refusal on a very personal basis, and her
perception of the event could be counted upon to be fully informed.
You know, like your Mom.
You seem to be having a mom complex, possibly due to your mom being a
tramp and a whore.
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That "chas" thing is an idiot.
Add that to her bragging about Kobe's "size" in public, few days after
the alleged incident, going to a "vacation" few hours after reporting
the alleged rape, the semen found of other men in her underwear, her
instable history, and you'll have to give her 0 when it comes to
credibility.
After all, this will be going to down to her word against his, since
there was no eye witness or solid evidence, other than the usual
evidence that you can find when 2 adults have sex.
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:51:14 -0800, "broadway" <blah@microsoft.com>
wrote:
So, a person who claims to be "traumatized" by a rape still has a solid case
even if they go out seeking the affection of absolute strangers and inviting
them home with them? While I agree this is not the same as proof positive
that a rape did not occur. At the very best this makes things easier for
the defense. They have a motive for her false accusation, attention
depravation.
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:38:45 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
"broadway" <blah@microsoft.com> wrote
case
inviting
Sure. Some women become promiscuous, others sink into alcoholism or drug
addiction, others agoraphobic and reclusive, others suicidal. Women, and men
for that matter, have all sorts of reactions to such an indignity.
She may have had sex with a procession of men, only one of whom raped her.
As it is a crime of violence rather than sex, she may make a formation
against being violated that has nothing to do with her sex life.
Your mom seems to fit in the "others sink into alcoholism or drug
addiction" category.
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:52:09 -0500, "Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> wrote:
"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote in message news:gpmdnVTemKzLeNXd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
I finally figured it out...you are a transexual crossdressing, alcholic, reclusive, drug addict who has been raped and
therefore will grasp at anything just to believe that this girl is an innocent victim. Thanks for clearing that up Chaz
or would you prefer Charlize...
LOL!
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:41:43 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
"howldog" <god_of_blunder@yahoo.com> wrote
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom.
You don't find the word 'skank' to be pejorative?
Insults breed insults; you know, like yer Mom.
<g>
You mean you got offended by reading my post calling the skank, a skank?
Go @$#* yourself then, skank.
If you don't like to read what describes your mother, then unsubscribe
fro these newsgroups.
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:52:20 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
"Nexus" <nexus@at&t.net> wrote
time on his hands. And watch out everyone
throw around.
I wouldn't throw your Mom around- they just move the line in front of her.
c.
In your mom's case. the line is behind here.
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On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:25:01 GMT, Marcus Kwan <mnospamkwan1@gte.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:16:59 GMT, no@spam.wanted wrote:
It is irrelevent. But you probably don't understand why or how.
You're right, I don't understand what "irrelevent" is or why it is
mentioned here.
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Robert Lee <cranchingwire@earthpiddlydiddlydoolink.poop.net.peepee> wrote in message news:<Xns94A37884AF3D0cheezycreezy@207.217.125.205>...
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in news:c2ake2$jtt$1
@stan.redhat.com:
Yeah, agreed.
Actually, wild behavior and promiscuity are very much a standard type
of behavior for rape survivors. Mind you, that doesn't mean that
every "girl gone wild" has been sexually assaulted.
Stop looking for any one right way for someone to behave after being
raped; it doesn't exist.
Mez
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:6bd12cd6.0403050739.18c4333@posting.google.com...
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2004/03/05/370907.html
"She was the only girl in the bar acting that way -- you usually don't
have girls going up to you like that," said Dawson, who maintains the
young woman was the instigator of the encounter.
Shortly after, Bryant's lawyers showed up at his doorstep -- and
they've been in regular contact with him ever since.
"They asked for a statement and now they want me to go down to
Colorado to testify at the trial -- I'm still thinking about it," he
said.
"Nothing like this has happened to me before -- I was just sitting in
the corner of the bar, near the back and she sat in my lap and her
friends took pictures," he said.
Dawson also noticed the woman dancing around tables that night, and by
the end of the evening she wanted to leave with him, he said.
"I just went home, but she wanted to do something afterwards, a party
or something," said Dawson.
People have been talking about establishing an M.O. for Kobe Bryant,
with the hotel worker in Portland.
However, it seems more likely that an M.O. for the accuser is
developing.
Also, Johnray Strickland's assertion that she was "changed" because
of her experience seems to be another flatout lie.
He never seemed very trustworthy to me. They all seem to have
some kind of agenda going on.
Alex
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In article <7111e10e.0403051554.74f2f3c5@posting.google.com>,
Messalina <second@duelingoak.com> wrote:
Actually, wild behavior and promiscuity are very much a standard type
of behavior for rape survivors. Mind you, that doesn't mean that
every "girl gone wild" has been sexually assaulted.
Stop looking for any one right way for someone to behave after being
raped; it doesn't exist.
Well, we've heard that she wasn't very shy befre meeting Kobe and her
panties prove that. Now we hear that she wasn't very shy afterwards
either and these photos prove that. That doesn't mean she was not raped, as
even prostitutes can be raped.
However, statistically one wonders what was different about her encounter
with Kobe other than the fact that he's a rich athlete. It's not like he
beat her up or pulled a knife on her. What evidence is there, really, that
her night with Kobe was any different from, apparently, every other night
in her life?
Dimitri
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"Messalina" <second@duelingoak.com> schreef in bericht
news:7111e10e.0403051554.74f2f3c5@posting.google.com...
Robert Lee <cranchingwire@earthpiddlydiddlydoolink.poop.net.peepee> wrote in message
news:<Xns94A37884AF3D0cheezycreezy@207.217.125.205>...
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in news:c2ake2$jtt$1
@stan.redhat.com:
Let's not. Let's just say, she's not acting like any "rape victim"
*I* ever heard of...
Yeah, agreed.
Actually, wild behavior and promiscuity are very much a standard type
of behavior for rape survivors. Mind you, that doesn't mean that
every "girl gone wild" has been sexually assaulted.
Stop looking for any one right way for someone to behave after being
raped; it doesn't exist.
Hmmm... Here's the problem. It is her word that Kobe didn't stop
when she said stop, however, she herself is very unclear about saying
stop in her first police interview.
Then, she herself claimed that Kobe stopped when she put her hand
on his. That doesn't sound like the reaction of a frenzied rapist.
Then, she is supposed to be traumatized by the ordeal, but she goes
out partying almost immediately after and _maybe_ may even have
had sex with the bellhop on the way home.
Now tell me honestly - can you really say with a straight face that
these sound like the actions of a girl who has just been violently
assaulted?
The problem I have with many of the feminist types, is that
they can't and won't distinguish between bad sex and rape.
How about the JohnRay Strickland lie that she now has "trust issues"?
I'd like to hear him explain these Globe photographs.
Alex
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howldog wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:37:29 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote:
how in the hell do you know that? you just turned what might have been
an interesting debate, into just more mud-slinging. Way to render your
own argument moot. Dont tell me, you're <shudder> one of them
furry-legged hyphen-named femmedooders. This is why feminism always
fails. The deliverers of the message are always these stuck up
holier-than-thou sneering hypocrits. People hate them, not because of
their message, but because they're obnoxious.
ouch...lol...
actually honey, YOU are the one that apparently seems to know what
it's all about to be "trampy".
--
MF
See L.A. for class
On March 21 in Los Angeles, former Celtics great (who broke the hearts
of many Lakers fans) Bill Russell had his picture on the scoreboard.
The fans gave him a long ovation.
The previous night, when it was announced that Shaq O'Neal scored his
20,000th point, the fans in Sacramento booed. Then, to make matters
worse, a the game ball was defaced, presumably by a Sacramento fan.
Clinton E. Parish
Sacramento
Rest in Peace, Francis Dayle "Chick" Hearn : 1916 - 2002
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Chas wrote:
"howldog" <god_of_blunder@yahoo.com> wrote
Yeah a very solid case this skank has.
Let's say she is an absolute tramp- you know, like your Mom.
You don't find the word 'skank' to be pejorative?
Insults breed insults; you know, like yer Mom.
<g>
Blah blah blah... you are now property of Howldog.
c.
--
MF
See L.A. for class
On March 21 in Los Angeles, former Celtics great (who broke the hearts
of many Lakers fans) Bill Russell had his picture on the scoreboard.
The fans gave him a long ovation.
The previous night, when it was announced that Shaq O'Neal scored his
20,000th point, the fans in Sacramento booed. Then, to make matters
worse, a the game ball was defaced, presumably by a Sacramento fan.
Clinton E. Parish
Sacramento
Rest in Peace, Francis Dayle "Chick" Hearn : 1916 - 2002
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