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Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
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Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
WRT Your Subject Line Assertion: Not Necessarily... One can be *Rehabilitated* from *State Felonies*... that is, one's right to Keep & Bears Arms can be Restored after The Passage of Certain Time & Fulfillment of Certain Conditions... I'm not Familiar Enough with Federal Felony Convictions, but I would be Surprised to Learn that a Fed Felony Conviction would FOREVER bar one from Keeping & Bearing... Naughtius "From My Cold Dead Hand" Maximus
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Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
I hate to piggyback off this moron, but it does remind me of something I heard. I doubt that Martha Stewart, being the big liberal that she is, ever carried a gun. But now that she's a convicted felon (barring overturn, pardon, or restoration of rights), can she even hire an armed bodyguard? I remember hearing somewhere that in her position one could not. Regards, PLMerite
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"PLMerite" <stockade@smokebombhill.com> wrote in news:hdo3c.92532$C65.8922@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
I doubt that Martha Stewart, being the big liberal that she is, ever carried a gun.
I wouldn't be so sure. Lots of liberals own guns. Besides she's 62 years old, and when she was younger guns didn't quite have the stigma they have today.
But now that she's a convicted felon (barring overturn, pardon, or restoration of rights), can she even hire an armed bodyguard?
I don't see why not. -gavnook -------------------- "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
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In article <9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com>, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend says...
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
I think it's totally idiotic for this law to apply to non-violent felonies. Terry http://www.commenterry.com
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globbo@BUTTFUCKJesus.org (Naughtius "The Twinkies Made Me Do It" Maximus) wrote in news:OL6dnW4bq8XUkNPdRVn-jg@adelphia.com:
I'm not Familiar Enough with Federal Felony Convictions, but I would be Surprised to Learn that a Fed Felony Conviction would FOREVER bar one from Keeping & Bearing...
Yes, it's forever, but 18USC925(c) says Federal felons "may make application to the Secretary [of the Treasury] for relief from the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or possession of firearms." Until 1992, ATF operated the federal "Relief from Disability" program, but since then, Congress inserted language in the annual ATF appropriations bill denying the agency the use of any federal funds to operate the program. That same section says "Any person whose application for relief from disabilities is denied by [ATF] may file a petition with the United States district court for the district in which he resides for a judicial review of such denial", however ATF always claimed that since they weren't performing the reviews, nobody could claim they'd actually been denied, and hence there was no grounds for court review. The Supreme Court apparently agreed with ATF on this in United States v. Thomas Lamar Bean in 2002. -- Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@visi.com
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That's okay, it's so hard to find a good .38 caliber to match the shoes and handbag anyway.
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
Until her conviction is reversed on appeal. -- ""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth" "Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido, est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
At this point, she should be more worried about procuring a quality shiv than about having her 2nd Amendment rights reinstated.
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"Naughtius \"The Twinkies Made Me Do It\" Maximus" <globbo@BUTTFUCKJesus.org> wrote in message news:<OL6dnW4bq8XUkNPdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>...
WRT Your Subject Line Assertion: Not Necessarily... One can be *Rehabilitated* from *State Felonies*... that is, one's right to Keep & Bears Arms can be Restored after The Passage of Certain Time & Fulfillment of Certain Conditions...
Yeah -- but that never happens. Her best bet is to get a pardon which i'm sure she will get 5-10 years down the road
I'm not Familiar Enough with Federal Felony Convictions, but I would be Surprised to Learn that a Fed Felony Conviction would FOREVER bar one from Keeping & Bearing...
Well then you're an idiot, because it does.
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"PLMerite" <stockade@smokebombhill.com> wrote in message news:<hdo3c.92532$C65.8922@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
I hate to piggyback off this moron, but it does remind me of something I heard.
Goddammit- stop confusing me with mort davis.
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On 9 Mar 2004 12:47:52 -0800, Terry <terry@fake-email.com> wrote:
In article <9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com>, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend says... I think it's totally idiotic for this law to apply to non-violent felonies. Terry http://www.commenterry.com
I tend to agree but millions of drug felons have lost RKBA because of this. The only people convicted of drug felonies are blacks or poor whites and the republicans don't care about them. Just watch limbaugh skate.
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:19:21 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms1@comcast.net> wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: Until her conviction is reversed on appeal.
She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal. You can't appeal on juror stupidity; you must show judicial error. Of course she'll buy herself a pardon a few years down the road.
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence.
I guess she'll still have to bore people to death... -- "At this time, Google policy does not permit the advertisement of websites that contain 'firearms and ammunition'." BOYCOTT GOOGLE :-)
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:19:21 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms1@comcast.net> wrote: She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal. You can't appeal on juror stupidity; you must show judicial error. Of course she'll buy herself a pardon a few years down the road.
Actually she has a great chance at an appeal. -- ""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth" "Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido, est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
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Yes, it's forever, but 18USC925(c) says Federal felons "may make application to the Secretary [of the Treasury] for relief from the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or possession of firearms."
Martha is not particularly into guns anyway. At least, she has never talked about what guns if any she owns, even though she has entertained her vast audience with all the details of all her other material possessions :-) She might at some point be pardoned, although Bush II has as far as I know not pardoned anyone yet. Also, she is rich enough to hire armed bodyguards--- and it is legal for a felon to hire armed bodyguards. ***** Tim Horrigan <horrigan@aol.com> *****
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote in news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
With your record of mental problems, you can't own one either. HAHAHA -- "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
I rather doubt it will have any effect on her. -- Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman) http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman "The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves." "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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Graham Payne wrote:
That's okay, it's so hard to find a good .38 caliber to match the shoes and handbag anyway.
well, the Ladysmith is an attempt at it. <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...
-- Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman) http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman "The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves." "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94A79F8B5C0F4VeebleFetzer@news.visi.com>...
globbo@BUTTFUCKJesus.org (Naughtius "The Twinkies Made Me Do It" Maximus) wrote in news:OL6dnW4bq8XUkNPdRVn-jg@adelphia.com: Yes, it's forever, but 18USC925(c) says Federal felons "may make application to the Secretary [of the Treasury] for relief from the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or possession of firearms." Until 1992, ATF operated the federal "Relief from Disability" program, but since then, Congress inserted language in the annual ATF appropriations bill denying the agency the use of any federal funds to operate the program. That same section says "Any person whose application for relief from disabilities is denied by [ATF] may file a petition with the United States district court for the district in which he resides for a judicial review of such denial", however ATF always claimed that since they weren't performing the reviews, nobody could claim they'd actually been denied, and hence there was no grounds for court review. The Supreme Court apparently agreed with ATF on this in United States v. Thomas Lamar Bean in 2002.
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition, she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898. These two catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same. The criteria is the receivers date of mfg. In addition, she can own a replica of a pre-1898 firearm if it is chambered for a round considered obsolete and not available through regular channels of commerce. I would suggest a Shiloh Sharps model 1874 in 44-100. Paul
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On 10 Mar 2004 17:19:51 -0800, fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater) wrote:
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition, she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898.
Actually, 1899...
These two catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same.
All Louwe Mausers are antiques. This includes many model 1891's, 1893's and 1895's. Same with model 1888 "commission" rifles and a few Moisin-Nagants. All these shoot essentially modern rounds. Others: mark 1 and 2 Webleys ( last one made about 1895 ) converted to fire 45 acp from moon clips. Many essentially-modern double action Colt revolvers are pre-1899. Likewise with many break-top S&W's. PHP
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fulminater wrote:
Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94A79F8B5C0F4VeebleFetzer@news.visi.com>... Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition, she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898. These two catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same. The criteria is the receivers date of mfg. In addition, she can own a replica of a pre-1898 firearm if it is chambered for a round considered obsolete and not available through regular channels of commerce. I would suggest a Shiloh Sharps model 1874 in 44-100. Paul
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the prohibitions against "felon in possession". Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms. Yet most gun owners do nothing. Pat Hines
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:19:21 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms1@comcast.net> wrote: She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal.
Well, for one, she's not guilty of any actual crime.
You can't appeal on juror stupidity; you must show judicial error.
You can go after jurors if they're tainted, with regard to the governnment prosecutor, in any way.
Of course she'll buy herself a pardon a few years down the road.
I would hope so, as a last resort, that she can get a pardon since she commited no crime. Of course, I also hope the prosecutor is raped over and over again by a pack of rabid baboons, but that's not very likely to occur either.
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fulminater wrote: While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the prohibitions against "felon in possession". Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms.
He hasn't sought legislation to repeal the restrictions on private satellite launch vehicles, either.
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: Well, for one, she's not guilty of any actual crime. You can go after jurors if they're tainted, with regard to the governnment prosecutor, in any way.
That part I'd like to see. IMO, the government prosecutor has abused both her and the office.
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fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater) wrote in message news:<b44db16c.0403101719.2e435e4b@posting.google.com>...
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition, she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898. These two catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same. The criteria is the receivers date of mfg. In addition, she can own a replica of a pre-1898 firearm if it is chambered for a round considered obsolete and not available through regular channels of commerce. I would suggest a Shiloh Sharps model 1874 in 44-100. Paul
For self defense purposes, the best muzzleloader is the ruger old army pistol in 45 caliber. Like any muzzleloader pistol (actually chamberloader) it takes a while to load all 6 rounds, but then it's as fast to fire as a modern single-action revolver. On second thought, it weighs 3 pounds and is rather heavy for a woman but it's a quality gun.
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Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53>...
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the prohibitions against "felon in possession". Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms. Yet most gun owners do nothing. Pat Hines
Of course they do nothing since the GCA disarms so many black people. Gun loonies are racists who will always ignore the 2nd amendment in favor of hurting black people.
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Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53>...
fulminater wrote: While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the prohibitions against "felon in possession". Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms. Yet most gun owners do nothing. Pat Hines
Not correct re: regulations. Gun Control Act is quite specific in it's parameters. Auction Arms lists numerous little top-break .32's, etc., which Martha could find easy to handle! Paul
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On 10 Mar 2004 23:11:30 -0800, xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend) wrote:
For self defense purposes, the best muzzleloader is the ruger old army pistol in 45 caliber.....
You can get a 45 long colt cylinder and/or extra cylinders
On second thought, it weighs 3 pounds and is rather heavy for a woman but it's a quality gun.
Any S&W "safety hammerless " in 38 S&W with a serial number of about 116,000 or less was made before 1899 and is thus legal for a felon to own. These generally can be picked up in working condition for $200-300. Essentially, the same dimensions as modern hide-out S&W revolvers. Very nice trigger for a DAO. Modern ammo is too strong. Ya have to do your own reloading with either black powder or low-loads of smokeless. I won't give the reloading data, but it is available. Energy with the classic BP load is about 150 ft-lbs plus.. Martha is a bit of a do-it-your-selfer anyway. PHP
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:02:46 GMT, Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote:
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the prohibitions against "felon in possession".
Don't know about right now, but several years ago "antiques" ( any firearm made before 1899 ) were exempt from "felon-in possession". Know this because one guy I buy antiques from was called upon to testify that a particular Iver-Johnson revolver was made post-1899 when this was raised as a defense in such a case. Apparently, there is a separate prohibition against felons possessing ammunition. Don't know about components or loose powder and percussion caps. PHP
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On 10 Mar 2004 23:18:04 -0800, xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend) wrote:
Of course they do nothing since the GCA disarms so many black people.
True, the GCA's original primary purpose was to disarm uppity ethnic and racial minorities. The same is true of most firearms prohibition legislation-- the farther back you go, the more blatant..
Gun loonies are racists who will always ignore the 2nd amendment in favor of hurting black people.
Actually, one of our favorite examples of the political importance of an armed population is that of blacks in the 1950's facing down Klan terrorism by arming themselves. PHP
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That is not fair. She would do such a beautiful job decorating the muzzle. This calls for large-scale protests --support Martha's right to decorate a gun ! Historic, Internet Jury Poll Comments _____________________________________ OJ is free, send Martha to Jail. LOL 03/11/04 9:14:57 AM MST The envy is incredible, isn't it? 03/11/04 7:36:55 AM MST total injustice 03/11/04 7:26:01 AM MST The jury is still out. 03/10/04 2:49:50 PM MST Martha Stewart is just a scapegoat. 03/10/04 1:35:01 PM MST Prosecutors pandered to populist prejudices! What a country it now is! 03/10/04 11:50:28 AM MST Another Stalinist, Show Trial ! 03/10/04 10:32:27 AM MST you are crack pots - and thats a goodthing 03/10/04 9:28:29 AM MST Not Guilty 03/10/04 6:36:19 AM MST Free Martha ! 03/09/04 9:37:20 PM MST What do you think -you get to add your comments after reading the Closing Argument, and determining Guilt or Innocense. The Internet jury is still out ! http://skakel.tripod.com/martha.htm
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On 11 Mar 2004 03:19:56 -0800, fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater) wrote:
Not correct re: regulations. Gun Control Act is quite specific in it's parameters. Auction Arms lists numerous little top-break .32's, etc., which Martha could find easy to handle!
Some "Modern" swing-cylinder Colt revolvers made before 1899 1) New Pocket in 32 long and short colt under serial number 11500 (nice little pocket pistol ) 2) New Police under serial no. 4200. 3) New Army and Navy in 41 colt and 38 colt long under serial no 91200. Note: Remington made 32 Colt until recently, but it seems to have disappeared from catalogs. 41 colt brass ( *Buffalo arms, IIRC) and dies are available. A quatity of 41 Colt ammo was made about 10 years ago. 38 colt long is still available. Many of these guns will accept 38 special brass. Some of these rounds are available as BP loads for Cowboy action Shooting. Again, cautious reloading is advised. Allegedly, from about 1896-97 on, colt "nitro-proofed" its revolvers. Rules of thumb: Any Iver Johnson top break with a lever on the side was made before 1897. Essentially all S&W spur trigger revolvers were made before 1892, All "New model 3" S&Ws in 44 Russian and 44/40 are antiques. Forehand and Wadsworth became Forehand Arms about 1890. All Webley Mark 1's and 2's are antiques. Many of these say "nitro-proofed". In the US, most have been converted to fire 45 ACP from clips. Recently at a Gunshow, I saw a Mark-1 frame that had been renumbered ( the old number struck thru ) after being joined to a Mark-4 barrel and cylinder assembly. Wish I had bought it now. Rifles: All Louwe Mausers are antiques--- The model 1891 artillery carbine is a honey. Likewise, all Commission Rifles are antiques. They even have the date on the receiver. Allegedly, 30 percent plus of rebarrelled Finnish Nagants with octagonal recievers are pre-1899. The date of manufacture is under the tang. I have a pre-1899 Nagant that, according to the receiver stamps, was captured by the Austrians in WW1, transferred to the Cxechs and then later rebuilt to model '38 specs. As with the Finnish Nagants, it is essentially a new gun, though because of the receiver date, it is legally an "antique". PHP
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:16:16 GMT, Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal.
Well, for one, she's not guilty of any actual crime.
Forget Martha's Stalinist showtrial. The unintended consequences of this prosecution are significant to federal law enforcement in general. Only a fool would talk to federal investigators now. Which also means that refusal to talk can no longer be as readily inferred by LEO's as possible guilt and a reason to look further. This also means no more informal conferences to clear up matters before moving on to the next lead. Every time agents talk to anyone, it now becomes a "federal case". Similarly, nobody, however innocent, is going to voluntarily come foreward if honest mistakes and misunderstandings get criminalized in the absence of other offenses. PHP
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fulminater wrote:
Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53>... Not correct re: regulations. Gun Control Act is quite specific in it's parameters. Auction Arms lists numerous little top-break .32's, etc., which Martha could find easy to handle! Paul
Again, for the purpose of purchasing a firearm made prior to 1899 by a person not convicted of a felony, you are correct. But, I believe the BATFAE regulations are that a felon can't be in possession of any firearm, even those made prior to 1899 or exact duplicates thereof. I remember someone being convicted of being in possession merely because there was a blackpowder rifle in his home. When is a non-firearm a firearm? When you're a convicted felon.
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