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Martha Stewart can NEVER have a gun



Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
3/9/2004 11:11:37 AM


Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
 
 
"Naughtius \"The Twinkies Made Me Do It\" Maximus"
3/9/2004 11:30:35 AM




<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...

Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
WRT Your Subject Line Assertion:
Not Necessarily... One can be *Rehabilitated* from *State Felonies*...
that is, one's right to Keep & Bears Arms can be Restored after The Passage
of Certain Time & Fulfillment of Certain Conditions...
I'm not Familiar Enough with Federal Felony Convictions, but I would be
Surprised to Learn that a Fed Felony Conviction would FOREVER bar one from
Keeping & Bearing...
Naughtius "From My Cold Dead Hand" Maximus
 
 
"PLMerite"
3/9/2004 6:41:17 PM




<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...

Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
I hate to piggyback off this moron, but it does remind me of something I
heard.
I doubt that Martha Stewart, being the big liberal that she is, ever carried
a gun.
But now that she's a convicted felon (barring overturn, pardon, or
restoration of rights), can she even hire an armed bodyguard?
I remember hearing somewhere that in her position one could not.
Regards, PLMerite
 
 
gavnook
3/9/2004 8:22:31 PM


"PLMerite" <stockade@smokebombhill.com> wrote in
news:hdo3c.92532$C65.8922@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
I doubt that Martha Stewart, being the big liberal that she is, ever
carried a gun.
I wouldn't be so sure. Lots of liberals own guns. Besides she's 62 years
old, and when she was younger guns didn't quite have the stigma they have
today.
But now that she's a convicted felon (barring overturn, pardon, or
restoration of rights), can she even hire an armed bodyguard?
I don't see why not.
-gavnook
--------------------
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
 
 
Terry
3/9/2004 12:47:52 PM


In article <9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com>, Laura Bush murdered her
boy friend says...
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
I think it's totally idiotic for this law to apply to non-violent felonies.
Terry
http://www.commenterry.com
 
 
Bert Hyman
3/9/2004 9:41:14 PM


globbo@BUTTFUCKJesus.org (Naughtius "The Twinkies Made Me Do It"
Maximus) wrote in news:OL6dnW4bq8XUkNPdRVn-jg@adelphia.com:
I'm not Familiar Enough with Federal Felony Convictions, but I
would be Surprised to Learn that a Fed Felony Conviction would
FOREVER bar one from Keeping & Bearing...
Yes, it's forever, but 18USC925(c) says Federal felons "may
make application to the Secretary [of the Treasury] for relief from
the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the
acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or
possession of firearms."
Until 1992, ATF operated the federal "Relief from Disability"
program, but since then, Congress inserted language in the annual
ATF appropriations bill denying the agency the use of any federal
funds to operate the program.
That same section says "Any person whose application for relief from
disabilities is denied by [ATF] may file a petition with the United
States district court for the district in which he resides for a
judicial review of such denial", however ATF always claimed that
since they weren't performing the reviews, nobody could claim they'd
actually been denied, and hence there was no grounds for court
review.
The Supreme Court apparently agreed with ATF on this in United
States v. Thomas Lamar Bean in 2002.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@visi.com
 
 
"Graham Payne"
3/9/2004 11:04:54 PM


That's okay, it's so hard to find a good .38 caliber to match the shoes and
handbag anyway.


<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...

Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
 
 
"Cole Firearms Inc."
3/9/2004 11:19:21 PM


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
Until her conviction is reversed on appeal.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
 
 
"Karl Hungus"
3/9/2004 11:56:10 PM




<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...

Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
At this point, she should be more worried about procuring a quality shiv
than about having her 2nd Amendment rights reinstated.
 
 
xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend)
3/9/2004 6:05:37 PM


"Naughtius \"The Twinkies Made Me Do It\" Maximus" <globbo@BUTTFUCKJesus.org> wrote in message news:<OL6dnW4bq8XUkNPdRVn-jg@adelphia.com>...


<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...

WRT Your Subject Line Assertion:
Not Necessarily... One can be *Rehabilitated* from *State Felonies*...
that is, one's right to Keep & Bears Arms can be Restored after The Passage
of Certain Time & Fulfillment of Certain Conditions...
Yeah -- but that never happens. Her best bet is to get a pardon
which i'm sure she will get 5-10 years down the road
I'm not Familiar Enough with Federal Felony Convictions, but I would be
Surprised to Learn that a Fed Felony Conviction would FOREVER bar one from
Keeping & Bearing...
Well then you're an idiot, because it does.
 
 
xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend)
3/9/2004 6:08:35 PM


"PLMerite" <stockade@smokebombhill.com> wrote in message news:<hdo3c.92532$C65.8922@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...


<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...

I hate to piggyback off this moron, but it does remind me of something I
heard.
Goddammit- stop confusing me with mort davis.
 
 
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
3/9/2004 8:55:38 PM


On 9 Mar 2004 12:47:52 -0800, Terry <terry@fake-email.com> wrote:
In article <9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com>, Laura Bush murdered her
boy friend says...
I think it's totally idiotic for this law to apply to non-violent felonies.
Terry
http://www.commenterry.com
I tend to agree but millions of drug felons have lost RKBA because of
this. The only people convicted of drug felonies are blacks or poor
whites and the republicans don't care about them. Just watch limbaugh
skate.
 
 
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
3/9/2004 8:57:46 PM


On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:19:21 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
<colefirearms1@comcast.net> wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Until her conviction is reversed on appeal.
She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal. You can't appeal on
juror stupidity; you must show judicial error. Of course she'll buy
herself a pardon a few years down the road.
 
 
Peter McMullen
3/10/2004 4:28:04 AM


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence.
I guess she'll still have to bore people to death...
--
"At this time, Google policy does not permit the
advertisement of websites that contain 'firearms and
ammunition'."
BOYCOTT GOOGLE
:-)
 
 
"Cole Firearms Inc."
3/10/2004 4:51:32 AM


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:19:21 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
<colefirearms1@comcast.net> wrote:
She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal. You can't appeal on
juror stupidity; you must show judicial error. Of course she'll buy
herself a pardon a few years down the road.
Actually she has a great chance at an appeal.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
 
 
horrigan@aol.com (Horrigan)
3/10/2004 4:54:26 AM


Yes, it's forever, but 18USC925(c) says Federal felons "may
make application to the Secretary [of the Treasury] for relief from
the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the
acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or
possession of firearms."
Martha is not particularly into guns anyway. At least, she has never talked
about what guns if any she owns, even though she has entertained her vast
audience with all the details of all her other material possessions :-)
She might at some point be pardoned, although Bush II has as far as I know not
pardoned anyone yet. Also, she is rich enough to hire armed bodyguards--- and
it is legal for a felon to hire armed bodyguards.
*****
Tim Horrigan <horrigan@aol.com>
*****
 
 
Jim Alder
3/10/2004 4:09:28 PM


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote in
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history
even though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with
guns or even violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968
says. It was meant to disarm black people so you have to
enjoy the irony of the law biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
With your record of mental problems, you can't own one either.
HAHAHA
--
"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann
 
 
"RD (The Sandman)"
3/10/2004 11:02:07 AM


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Yup - if you're convicted of any felony, your RKBA is history even
though, as in this case, the crime had nothing to do with guns or even
violence. That's what the Gun Contol Act of 1968 says. It was meant
to disarm black people so you have to enjoy the irony of the law
biting super-white martha. HAHAHA
I rather doubt it will have any effect on her.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
 
 
"RD (The Sandman)"
3/10/2004 11:04:16 AM


Graham Payne wrote:
That's okay, it's so hard to find a good .38 caliber to match the shoes and
handbag anyway.
well, the Ladysmith is an attempt at it.
<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
news:9m1s4054ar0indrc5tkroaiup5bd44aipq@4ax.com...
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
 
 
fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater)
3/10/2004 5:19:51 PM


Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94A79F8B5C0F4VeebleFetzer@news.visi.com>...
globbo@BUTTFUCKJesus.org (Naughtius "The Twinkies Made Me Do It"
Maximus) wrote in news:OL6dnW4bq8XUkNPdRVn-jg@adelphia.com:
Yes, it's forever, but 18USC925(c) says Federal felons "may
make application to the Secretary [of the Treasury] for relief from
the disabilities imposed by Federal laws with respect to the
acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, transportation, or
possession of firearms."
Until 1992, ATF operated the federal "Relief from Disability"
program, but since then, Congress inserted language in the annual
ATF appropriations bill denying the agency the use of any federal
funds to operate the program.
That same section says "Any person whose application for relief from
disabilities is denied by [ATF] may file a petition with the United
States district court for the district in which he resides for a
judicial review of such denial", however ATF always claimed that
since they weren't performing the reviews, nobody could claim they'd
actually been denied, and hence there was no grounds for court
review.
The Supreme Court apparently agreed with ATF on this in United
States v. Thomas Lamar Bean in 2002.
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition,
she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898. These two
catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can
afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser
model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same. The criteria is the
receivers date of mfg. In addition, she can own a replica of a
pre-1898 firearm if it is chambered for a round considered obsolete
and not available through regular channels of commerce. I would
suggest a Shiloh Sharps model 1874 in 44-100.
Paul
 
 
Peter H Proctor
3/10/2004 8:21:53 PM


On 10 Mar 2004 17:19:51 -0800, fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater)
wrote:
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition,
she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898.
Actually, 1899...
These two
catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can
afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser
model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same.
All Louwe Mausers are antiques. This includes many model
1891's, 1893's and 1895's. Same with model 1888 "commission"
rifles and a few Moisin-Nagants. All these shoot essentially modern
rounds.
Others: mark 1 and 2 Webleys ( last one made about 1895 )
converted to fire 45 acp from moon clips. Many essentially-modern
double action Colt revolvers are pre-1899. Likewise with many
break-top S&W's.
PHP
 
 
Pat Hines
3/11/2004 3:02:46 AM


fulminater wrote:
Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94A79F8B5C0F4VeebleFetzer@news.visi.com>...
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition,
she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898. These two
catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can
afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser
model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same. The criteria is the
receivers date of mfg. In addition, she can own a replica of a
pre-1898 firearm if it is chambered for a round considered obsolete
and not available through regular channels of commerce. I would
suggest a Shiloh Sharps model 1874 in 44-100.
Paul
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record
keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable
of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the
prohibitions against "felon in possession".
Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious
transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and
wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms.
Yet most gun owners do nothing.
Pat Hines
 
 
Pat Hines
3/11/2004 3:16:16 AM


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:19:21 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
<colefirearms1@comcast.net> wrote:
She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal.
Well, for one, she's not guilty of any actual crime.
You can't appeal on
juror stupidity; you must show judicial error.
You can go after jurors if they're tainted, with regard to the governnment
prosecutor, in any way.
Of course she'll buy
herself a pardon a few years down the road.
I would hope so, as a last resort, that she can get a pardon since she commited
no crime.
Of course, I also hope the prosecutor is raped over and over again by a pack of
rabid baboons, but that's not very likely to occur either.
 
 
"Yardpilot"
3/11/2004 4:12:38 AM




"Pat Hines" <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53...

fulminater wrote:
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record
keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable
of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the
prohibitions against "felon in possession".
Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious
transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and
wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms.
He hasn't sought legislation to repeal the restrictions on private satellite
launch vehicles, either.
 
 
"Yardpilot"
3/11/2004 4:13:40 AM




"Pat Hines" <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4SQ3c.882$ft4.15972@attbi_s54...

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Well, for one, she's not guilty of any actual crime.
You can go after jurors if they're tainted, with regard to the governnment
prosecutor, in any way.
That part I'd like to see. IMO, the government prosecutor has abused both her
and the office.
 
 
xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend)
3/10/2004 11:11:30 PM


fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater) wrote in message news:<b44db16c.0403101719.2e435e4b@posting.google.com>...
Ms. Stewart call own and use any muzzleloading firearm. In addition,
she can own and use any firearm made prior to 1898. These two
catagories are exempted by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Martha can
afford a nice vintage Colt Single Action Army .45 or a Chilean Mauser
model 1895 army rifle or a sporter based on same. The criteria is the
receivers date of mfg. In addition, she can own a replica of a
pre-1898 firearm if it is chambered for a round considered obsolete
and not available through regular channels of commerce. I would
suggest a Shiloh Sharps model 1874 in 44-100.
Paul
For self defense purposes, the best muzzleloader is the ruger old army
pistol in 45 caliber. Like any muzzleloader pistol (actually
chamberloader) it takes a while to load all 6 rounds, but then it's as
fast to fire as a modern single-action revolver.
On second thought, it weighs 3 pounds and is rather heavy for a woman
but it's a quality gun.
 
 
xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend)
3/10/2004 11:18:04 PM


Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53>...
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record
keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable
of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the
prohibitions against "felon in possession".
Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious
transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and
wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms.
Yet most gun owners do nothing.
Pat Hines
Of course they do nothing since the GCA disarms so many black people.
Gun loonies are racists who will always ignore the 2nd amendment in
favor of hurting black people.
 
 
fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater)
3/11/2004 3:19:56 AM


Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53>...
fulminater wrote:
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record
keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable
of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the
prohibitions against "felon in possession".
Note: George W. Bush has not sought legislation to correct this obvious
transgression on the rights of those that have completed their sentences and
wish to apply for full cessation of denial to access firearms.
Yet most gun owners do nothing.
Pat Hines
Not correct re: regulations. Gun Control Act is quite specific in it's
parameters. Auction Arms lists numerous little top-break .32's, etc.,
which Martha could find easy to handle!
Paul
 
 
Peter H. Proctor
3/11/2004 9:37:22 AM


On 10 Mar 2004 23:11:30 -0800, xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush
murdered her boy friend) wrote:
For self defense purposes, the best muzzleloader is the ruger old army
pistol in 45 caliber.....
You can get a 45 long colt cylinder and/or extra cylinders
On second thought, it weighs 3 pounds and is rather heavy for a woman
but it's a quality gun.
Any S&W "safety hammerless " in 38 S&W with a serial number
of about 116,000 or less was made before 1899 and is thus legal for a
felon to own. These generally can be picked up in working
condition for $200-300. Essentially, the same dimensions as modern
hide-out S&W revolvers. Very nice trigger for a DAO.
Modern ammo is too strong. Ya have to do your own reloading
with either black powder or low-loads of smokeless. I won't give
the reloading data, but it is available. Energy with the classic
BP load is about 150 ft-lbs plus.. Martha is a bit of a
do-it-your-selfer anyway.
PHP
 
 
Peter H. Proctor
3/11/2004 9:46:32 AM


On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:02:46 GMT, Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net>
wrote:
While I agree completely that as far as being considered firearms for record
keeping and FFL requirements; I believe the BATFAE includes any weapon capable
of using a propellant to cause a projectile to move down a barrel under the
prohibitions against "felon in possession".
Don't know about right now, but several years ago "antiques"
( any firearm made before 1899 ) were exempt from "felon-in
possession". Know this because one guy I buy antiques from was
called upon to testify that a particular Iver-Johnson revolver was
made post-1899 when this was raised as a defense in such a case.
Apparently, there is a separate prohibition against felons
possessing ammunition. Don't know about components or loose powder
and percussion caps.
PHP
 
 
Peter H. Proctor
3/11/2004 9:54:14 AM


On 10 Mar 2004 23:18:04 -0800, xeton2001@yahoo.com (Laura Bush
murdered her boy friend) wrote:
Of course they do nothing since the GCA disarms so many black people.
True, the GCA's original primary purpose was to disarm
uppity ethnic and racial minorities. The same is true of most
firearms prohibition legislation-- the farther back you go, the more
blatant..
Gun loonies are racists who will always ignore the 2nd amendment in
favor of hurting black people.
Actually, one of our favorite examples of the political
importance of an armed population is that of blacks in the 1950's
facing down Klan terrorism by arming themselves.
PHP
 
 
jacknichols123@yahoo.com (Jack Nichols)
3/11/2004 8:25:07 AM


That is not fair. She would do such a beautiful job decorating the
muzzle. This calls for large-scale protests --support Martha's right
to decorate a gun !
Historic, Internet Jury Poll Comments
_____________________________________
OJ is free, send Martha to Jail. LOL 03/11/04 9:14:57 AM MST
The envy is incredible, isn't it? 03/11/04 7:36:55 AM MST
total injustice 03/11/04 7:26:01 AM MST
The jury is still out. 03/10/04 2:49:50 PM MST
Martha Stewart is just a scapegoat. 03/10/04 1:35:01 PM MST
Prosecutors pandered to populist prejudices! What a country it now is!
03/10/04 11:50:28 AM MST
Another Stalinist, Show Trial ! 03/10/04 10:32:27 AM MST
you are crack pots - and thats a goodthing 03/10/04 9:28:29 AM MST
Not Guilty 03/10/04 6:36:19 AM MST
Free Martha ! 03/09/04 9:37:20 PM MST
What do you think -you get to add your comments after reading the
Closing Argument, and determining Guilt or Innocense. The Internet
jury is still out !
http://skakel.tripod.com/martha.htm
 
 
Peter H. Proctor
3/11/2004 11:07:59 AM


On 11 Mar 2004 03:19:56 -0800, fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater)
wrote:
Not correct re: regulations. Gun Control Act is quite specific in it's
parameters. Auction Arms lists numerous little top-break .32's, etc.,
which Martha could find easy to handle!
Some "Modern" swing-cylinder Colt revolvers made before 1899
1) New Pocket in 32 long and short colt under serial number 11500
(nice little pocket pistol )
2) New Police under serial no. 4200.
3) New Army and Navy in 41 colt and 38 colt long under serial no
91200.
Note: Remington made 32 Colt until recently, but it seems
to have disappeared from catalogs. 41 colt brass ( *Buffalo arms,
IIRC) and dies are available. A quatity of 41 Colt ammo was made
about 10 years ago. 38 colt long is still available. Many of
these guns will accept 38 special brass.
Some of these rounds are available as BP loads for Cowboy
action Shooting. Again, cautious reloading is advised.
Allegedly, from about 1896-97 on, colt "nitro-proofed" its
revolvers.
Rules of thumb: Any Iver Johnson top break with a lever on the side
was made before 1897. Essentially all S&W spur trigger revolvers
were made before 1892, All "New model 3" S&Ws in 44 Russian and
44/40 are antiques. Forehand and Wadsworth became Forehand Arms
about 1890.
All Webley Mark 1's and 2's are antiques. Many of these
say "nitro-proofed". In the US, most have been converted to fire
45 ACP from clips. Recently at a Gunshow, I saw a Mark-1 frame
that had been renumbered ( the old number struck thru ) after being
joined to a Mark-4 barrel and cylinder assembly. Wish I had
bought it now.
Rifles: All Louwe Mausers are antiques--- The model 1891 artillery
carbine is a honey. Likewise, all Commission Rifles are antiques.
They even have the date on the receiver.
Allegedly, 30 percent plus of rebarrelled Finnish Nagants
with octagonal recievers are pre-1899. The date of manufacture is
under the tang. I have a pre-1899 Nagant that, according to the
receiver stamps, was captured by the Austrians in WW1, transferred to
the Cxechs and then later rebuilt to model '38 specs. As with
the Finnish Nagants, it is essentially a new gun, though because of
the receiver date, it is legally an "antique".
PHP
 
 
Peter H Proctor
3/11/2004 3:46:53 PM


On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:16:16 GMT, Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net>
wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
She really doesn't have much grounds for appeal.
Well, for one, she's not guilty of any actual crime.
Forget Martha's Stalinist showtrial. The unintended
consequences of this prosecution are significant to federal law
enforcement in general. Only a fool would talk to federal
investigators now. Which also means that refusal to talk can no
longer be as readily inferred by LEO's as possible guilt and a reason
to look further.
This also means no more informal conferences to clear up
matters before moving on to the next lead. Every time agents talk
to anyone, it now becomes a "federal case". Similarly, nobody,
however innocent, is going to voluntarily come foreward if honest
mistakes and misunderstandings get criminalized in the absence of
other offenses.
PHP
 
 
Pat Hines
3/11/2004 10:54:05 PM


fulminater wrote:
Pat Hines <fastpat@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<pFQ3c.894$bP2.15200@attbi_s53>...
Not correct re: regulations. Gun Control Act is quite specific in it's
parameters. Auction Arms lists numerous little top-break .32's, etc.,
which Martha could find easy to handle!
Paul
Again, for the purpose of purchasing a firearm made prior to 1899 by a person
not convicted of a felony, you are correct.
But, I believe the BATFAE regulations are that a felon can't be in possession
of any firearm, even those made prior to 1899 or exact duplicates thereof. I
remember someone being convicted of being in possession merely because there was
a blackpowder rifle in his home.
When is a non-firearm a firearm? When you're a convicted felon.