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Ideally, defendants should not be able to earn style points. I believe
a case should be decided on evidence, which is then carefully weighed
by a jury.
However, I am not an ostrich. I know that attorneys prefer their
clients to make good overall impressions, and that demeanor, facial
expressions, even a finely tailored suit, all play into creating a
favorable perception, which can eventually contribute to a positive
outcome.
For instance, I believe Charles Manson's maniacal leer worked against
him in court, and I don't think I'm alone. John Gotti was nattily
attired, but his contemptuous attitude, combined with reams of
evidence, brought him down. And I don't know if Saddam Hussein will be
dealt with in a conventional trial or in a military tribunal, but
judging by the photos after his capture, the man could benefit from a
"Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" type of makeover.
Kobe Bryant and Michael Jackson couldn't be more different. Bryant is
one of the best basketball players in the world. Jackson is a pop
icon. Bryant is young and at the top of his game. Jackson is a fading
star who peaked 20 years ago. Bryant is a loner. Jackson likes to
throw lavish parties. Bryant is accused of raping an attractive young
female. Jackson is charged with molesting a young boy.
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to have a
grasp on the gravity of his situation. Jackson, however, regards each
court visit as if it were a promotional appearance at Tower Records.
Kobe gets it. Michael does not.
It appears obvious that Bryant is not only receiving valuable advice
on how to behave from his high-powered legal team, led by Pamela
Mackey and Hal Haddon, but that he is paying heed. You have to concede
that Bryant, who has another hearing set for Friday, has appeared like
the kind of young man you would want your daughter to marry —
assuming he isn't guilty of sexual assault, of course. I mean, who
wouldn't want a son-in-law handing out $4 million rings?
Jackson is represented by Mark Geragos, who is on television these
days more than "Law and Order." I doubt that an accomplished defense
attorney like Geragos has advised Jackson to "play up the weirdo
thing." Most likely this was Michael's call at the line of scrimmage.
But Geragos should take the unusual step of asking the judge to put a
gag order on his own client, because the more outrageous Jackson
becomes, the more likely a jury will conclude that he is thumbing his
nose at our judicial system. Michael Jackson should not be thumbing
his nose at anybody or anything, for obvious reasons.
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s_knight8 wrote:
Michael Jackson should not be thumbing
his nose at anybody or anything, for obvious reasons.
What, you mean like not having one?
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MF
See L.A. for class
On March 21 in Los Angeles, former Celtics great (who broke the hearts
of many Lakers fans) Bill Russell had his picture on the scoreboard.
The fans gave him a long ovation.
The previous night, when it was announced that Shaq O'Neal scored his
20,000th point, the fans in Sacramento booed. Then, to make matters
worse, a the game ball was defaced, presumably by a Sacramento fan.
Clinton E. Parish
Sacramento
Rest in Peace, Francis Dayle "Chick" Hearn : 1916 - 2002
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4021351/
Ideally, defendants should not be able to earn style points. I believe
a case should be decided on evidence, which is then carefully weighed
by a jury.
However, I am not an ostrich. I know that attorneys prefer their
clients to make good overall impressions, and that demeanor, facial
expressions, even a finely tailored suit, all play into creating a
favorable perception, which can eventually contribute to a positive
outcome.
For instance, I believe Charles Manson's maniacal leer worked against
him in court, and I don't think I'm alone. John Gotti was nattily
attired, but his contemptuous attitude, combined with reams of
evidence, brought him down. And I don't know if Saddam Hussein will be
dealt with in a conventional trial or in a military tribunal, but
judging by the photos after his capture, the man could benefit from a
"Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" type of makeover.
Kobe Bryant and Michael Jackson couldn't be more different. Bryant is
one of the best basketball players in the world. Jackson is a pop
icon. Bryant is young and at the top of his game. Jackson is a fading
star who peaked 20 years ago. Bryant is a loner. Jackson likes to
throw lavish parties. Bryant is accused of raping an attractive young
female. Jackson is charged with molesting a young boy.
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to have a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
That is just Kobe's personality. He may have cheated, but he is not a
rapist. I think he has always shown respect for others and that would carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa to cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
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That is just Kobe's personality. He may have cheated, but he is not a
rapist. I think he has always shown respect for others and that would
carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa to
cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
I'd have a higher opinion of kobe had he stolen a Rolex than i do over him
cheating on his wife, regardless of legality.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> wrote...
For instance, I believe Charles Manson's maniacal leer worked against
him in court, and I don't think I'm alone. John Gotti was nattily
attired, but his contemptuous attitude, combined with reams of
evidence, brought him down. And I don't know if Saddam Hussein will be
dealt with in a conventional trial or in a military tribunal, but
judging by the photos after his capture, the man could benefit from a
"Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" type of makeover.
Your reference to St. Charlie got my attention. I am President of
the Charles Manson Fan Club and am also waging a campaign to have
him beatified by the Vatican as a prelude to eventual sainthood :)
I just adore Charlie! He is my absolute idol of all time; there is
something about him that attracts people, perhaps like moths to
a flame. Something in his eyes - he is rumored to have the power
to hypnotize people just by staring at them - and also in his voice
- it is like listening to the voice of Jeezus himself and also has
hypnotic qualities. I own the 2-CD volume "Manson Speaks" from
White Devil Records (1995), and also have a huge collection of sound
clips, photographs, and artwork of Charlie and the rest of the
Manson Family.
But you are partly right about Charlie's appearance and demeanor.
For every person he attracts as a disciple, there is another
person who becomes convinced he is the antichrist after listening
to him speak. And then there's that SWASTIKA he carved into his
forehead, although originally it was a simple 'X' (he arrived in
court one day with an 'X' carved into his forehead and said "I
have X-ed myself out of your world"). One comedian joked that
here you have a guy with a swastika carved into his forehead and
wondering whether he should wear the red tie or the blue tie to
his parole hearing to make the best impression :)
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"They want to blame Manson for being the Father of their children.
The President of the United States is supposedly the Father of us
all, he's supposedly the leader. Well, you can dig me for being
the leader of the Family and then give Nixon immunity?!? Y'know,
he killed a lot more people than Charlie did...if Charlie was
capable of doing something like that, wouldn't he be better in the
White House than Nixon? Nixon wasn't capable of doing nothing but
running faces and getting elected like he was doing something.
The office is still there, you just keep changing faces with the
same old monkey as if you didn't know we were all living in a zoo!"
-- Charles Manson; "Manson Speaks" (CD); White Devil Records (1995)
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returned
carry
cheat,
I'd have a higher opinion of kobe had he stolen a Rolex than i do over him
cheating on his wife, regardless of legality.
I'd almost agree, except stealing is bad too. I also think it was pretty
bad to do to such a new and young wife. Bad to do to any wife, but Vanessa
is so young and she has to deal with this with the entire world knowing her
business. Cheating is such a betrayal.
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s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote in message news:<6bd12cd6.0403091937.7fdc8bf2@posting.google.com>...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4021351/
Ideally, defendants should not be able to earn style points. I believe
a case should be decided on evidence, which is then carefully weighed
by a jury.
However, I am not an ostrich.
It's not a question of being a bird. It's a question of being a
stupido.
Juries and judges assess the character and credibility of all
witnesses, and especially the defendant, even if the defendant chooses
to not take the witness stand. One of the items that goes into that
mix and becomes grist for the mill is behavior, comportment, and
demeanor. And it isn't whimsy. The system is designed that way.
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message news:<104ta9ml89efh79@news.supernews.com>...
That is just Kobe's personality.
You don't know his personality. The personality you think you know is
in fact a carefully manicured image. If you want insight into his
personality, it is instructive that Kobe is aloof from and doesn't get
along with any of his teammates, and it's been that way since day one
of his pro career.
He may have cheated,
Not "may." Did. He confessed to that much, remember? Try to stop
being an apologizing enabler.
And remember, cheating involves a heavy component of lying, and lying
is built into cheating. And it isn't just any old lying, it's lying
to the one that is supposed to be the most important person in one's
life. If he was willing to blithely lie to her, why wouldn't he be
willing to lie to the public, to strangers, to a jury? And he never
would have confessed to the cheating at all anyway, except he was
charged with rape and they had his DNA. He was nailed. So he had to
give it up. He never would have otherwise.
but he is not a rapist.
A fact as yet to be determined by a jury of his Colorado peers, 12
fine and true.
I think he has always shown respect for others and that would carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa to cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
And he isn't charged with being disrespectful or being unfaithful
either. He is charged with rape.
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-snip-
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to have a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
That is just Kobe's personality. He may have cheated, but he is not a
rapist. I think he has always shown respect for others and that would carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa to cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
You've never met Kobe Bryant yet you can say with assurance what his
personality is? You're the reason celebrity get away with murder in
this country.
Mez
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Same about these Wacko fans who profess to know about Wacko's personality.
-snip-
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to have a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
You've never met Kobe Bryant yet you can say with assurance what his
personality is? You're the reason celebrity get away with murder in
this country.
Mez
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message
news:<104ta9ml89efh79@news.supernews.com>...
You don't know his personality.
And just for the record, neither do you.
Greg
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news:<104ta9ml89efh79@news.supernews.com>...
And just for the record, neither do you.
Greg
True, but we do know he's a married man, a new father, and @$#*s hotel
employee's.
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-snip-
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to have a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
You've never met Kobe Bryant yet you can say with assurance what his
personality is? You're the reason celebrity get away with murder in
this country.
Mez
How do you know I have never met him?
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Same about these Wacko fans who profess to know about Wacko's personality.
At the risk of a troll making a comment, he is my neighbor.
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message
news:<104ta9ml89efh79@news.supernews.com>...
You don't know his personality. The personality you think you know is
in fact a carefully manicured image. If you want insight into his
personality, it is instructive that Kobe is aloof from and doesn't get
along with any of his teammates, and it's been that way since day one
of his pro career.
How do you know I don't?
Not "may." Did. He confessed to that much, remember? Try to stop
being an apologizing enabler.
And remember, cheating involves a heavy component of lying, and lying
is built into cheating. And it isn't just any old lying, it's lying
to the one that is supposed to be the most important person in one's
life. If he was willing to blithely lie to her, why wouldn't he be
willing to lie to the public, to strangers, to a jury? And he never
would have confessed to the cheating at all anyway, except he was
charged with rape and they had his DNA. He was nailed. So he had to
give it up. He never would have otherwise.
A fact as yet to be determined by a jury of his Colorado peers, 12
fine and true.
And he isn't charged with being disrespectful or being unfaithful
either. He is charged with rape.
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True, but we do know he's a married man, a new father, and @$#*s hotel
employee's.
Yes, for all those who stupidly thought Kobe wasn't human, he certainly has
proven he is indeed one of us.
BTW, we also know that for the majority of his time in Los Angeles he has
been an upstanding citizen and has obeyed the law and has been a good
husband and father.
Wow, you didn't say 'rapes' hotel employees. You're learning. 8
)
Greg
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In article <GnJ3c.6719$xL3.1998@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
tinydancer <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote:
True, but we do know he's a married man, a new father, and @$#*s hotel
employee's.
....without a condom.
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In article <xOJ3c.31637$aT1.7962@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
greg brown <noway@way.com> wrote:
Yes, for all those who stupidly thought Kobe wasn't human, he certainly has
proven he is indeed one of us.
You do that too, huh?
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"tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote in message news:GnJ3c.6719$xL3.1998@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
True, but we do know he's a married man, a new father, and @$#*s hotel
employee's.
Ouch you sound bitter!
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"tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:GnJ3c.6719$xL3.1998@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
That is just Kobe's personality.
You don't know his personality.
And just for the record, neither do you.
Greg
True, but we do know he's a married man, a new father, and @$#*s hotel
employee's.
Ouch you sound bitter!
Not a bit, just counteracting the 'St. Kobe' posters with a bit of reality.
td
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Yes, for all those who stupidly thought Kobe wasn't human, he certainly
has
proven he is indeed one of us.
BTW, we also know that for the majority of his time in Los Angeles he has
been an upstanding citizen and has obeyed the law and has been a good
husband and father.
Wow, you didn't say 'rapes' hotel employees. You're learning. 8
)
Greg
I certainly wouldn't refer to a rape as 'making love'. A rape is a @$#*.
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news:GnJ3c.6719$xL3.1998@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
That is just Kobe's personality.
You don't know his personality.
And just for the record, neither do you.
Greg
True, but we do know he's a married man, a new father, and @$#*s hotel
employee's.
Not a bit, just counteracting the 'St. Kobe' posters with a bit of
reality.
td
Hey dude. This is the US. Innocent until proven guilty.
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reality.
Hey dude. This is the US. Innocent until proven guilty.
And, this is not the same thing as Wacko Jacko. Wacko Jacko has a history
of doing stupid things. Kobe has no such history. If you can't deal with
the fact that KB has fans, don't post to NGs.
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"Juan Vargas" <jvargas@pri.pinche.org.mx> wrote in message news:<4JednYfFpIuUKNPdRVn-tA@bravo.net>...
Your reference to St. Charlie got my attention. I am President of
the Charles Manson Fan Club and am also waging a campaign to have
him beatified by the Vatican as a prelude to eventual sainthood :)
I just adore Charlie! He is my absolute idol of all time; there is
something about him that attracts people, perhaps like moths to
a flame.
"Like flies to sh*t" would be a more apt analogy.
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message news:<104upqkk02meab8@news.supernews.com>...
At the risk of a troll making a comment, he is my neighbor.
Thats what the Van Damme's said about David Westerfield.
Yemme guess. He was "quiet, respectful, but kept to himself?"
Mez
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message news:<104upppelv3e8b@news.supernews.com>...
How do you know I have never met him?
Because you would have said so in the original post, rather than just
making statements about his character and expecting people to accept
it just on your say so.
Mez
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Really. I know many of my neighbors, but as for what they do behind closed
doors I have absolutely no idea.
"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message
news:<104upqkk02meab8@news.supernews.com>...
Same about these Wacko fans who profess to know about Wacko's
personality.
-snip-
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity
defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to
have
a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
That is just Kobe's personality. He may have cheated, but he is
not a
rapist. I think he has always shown respect for others and that
would
carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa
to
cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
You've never met Kobe Bryant yet you can say with assurance what his
personality is? You're the reason celebrity get away with murder in
this country.
Mez
At the risk of a troll making a comment, he is my neighbor.
Thats what the Van Damme's said about David Westerfield.
Yemme guess. He was "quiet, respectful, but kept to himself?"
Mez
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message
news:<104upqkk02meab8@news.supernews.com>...
Same about these Wacko fans who profess to know about Wacko's
personality.
-snip-
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity
defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to
have
a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
That is just Kobe's personality. He may have cheated, but he is
not a
rapist. I think he has always shown respect for others and that
would
carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa
to
cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
You've never met Kobe Bryant yet you can say with assurance what his
personality is? You're the reason celebrity get away with murder in
this country.
Mez
At the risk of a troll making a comment, he is my neighbor.
Thats what the Van Damme's said about David Westerfield.
Yemme guess. He was "quiet, respectful, but kept to himself?"
Mez
Before this gets carried out of proportion, I believe the original post
talked about the differences in the way Wacko Jacko handled things and the
way Kobe did and is handing things. The comment was made that Kobe had the
right idea about handling things with respect and that he was learning and
my comment back was this has been the way he has always been. We've
followed his career since he was just graduating from high school. He has
always seemed to act with respect to others. That's all I am saying. It
wasn't something learned, it has just been the way I have always observed
him to be.
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"klm" <nonospammer@com.com> wrote in message
news:<104upppelv3e8b@news.supernews.com>...
-snip-
Yet the most glaring disparity between these two celebrity
defendants
is illustrated in the way each has conducted himself recently.
Bryant's approach has been respectful and low-key. He seems to
have a
grasp on the gravity of his situation.
That is just Kobe's personality. He may have cheated, but he is not
a rapist. I think he has always shown respect for others and that
would
carry
over into his love life. Sure, that was disrespectful to Vanessa to
cheat,
but it is a worldly thing to do, not an illegal thing to do.
You've never met Kobe Bryant yet you can say with assurance what his
personality is? You're the reason celebrity get away with murder in
this country.
Mez
How do you know I have never met him?
Because you would have said so in the original post, rather than just
making statements about his character and expecting people to accept
it just on your say so.
Mez
No, I have learned not to say everything I know on NGs. Naive at first
posting, but no more.
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In article <xOJ3c.31637$aT1.7962@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
greg brown <noway@way.com> wrote:
You do that too, huh?
Make mistakes? Of course, don't you?
Greg
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I certainly wouldn't refer to a rape as 'making love'. A rape is a @$#*.
Lol. Spoke to soon.
Greg
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In article <104vi2j4bt8fuc6@news.supernews.com>,
klm <nonospammer@com.com> wrote:
Before this gets carried out of proportion, I believe the original post
talked about the differences in the way Wacko Jacko handled things and the
way Kobe did and is handing things. The comment was made that Kobe had the
right idea about handling things with respect and that he was learning and
my comment back was this has been the way he has always been. We've
followed his career since he was just graduating from high school. He has
always seemed to act with respect to others.
Not real respectful to his wife and child, it would appear.
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In article <u9Q3c.14055$%06.9728@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
greg brown <noway@way.com> wrote:
Make mistakes? Of course, don't you?
Kobe did that by mistake?!
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In article <104vi2j4bt8fuc6@news.supernews.com>,
klm <nonospammer@com.com> wrote:
Not real respectful to his wife and child, it would appear.
Well duh, but it is a far cry from rape.
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