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Further to my "Lawyer interested in a class action??" thread...
Finally after 9 tries we have a human intervening, well, I think it is
a human.
Surrounded by the "standard" form letter BS here's what we received
this morning.
"When an e-mail address is placed on the blacklist, it is not due to
spam but your computer may have a potential virus that was detected."
MAY have a POTENTIAL virus, what BS is that all about??
How can they DETECT a potential virus we MAY have. I may be growing
taller and my feet potentially increasing to size 13's too.
This sounds like a fishing expedition by the isp gathering "genuine"
IP addresses. Have they summarily blacklisted everyone then take them
off as they verify their IP address??
Maybe they don't automatically black list the biggies like AOL, MSN
etc etc, just tromp all over the little folk out there.
We have never had a virus, and due to our vigilance we will never have
one in the future, so that can't be valid. Beats the crap outa-me what
that is all about.
I am ignoring it and let their customer worry about denial of email
service.
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Kind regards,
Jenny and her tribe of survivors.
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Surrounded by the "standard" form letter BS here's what we received
this morning.
"When an e-mail address is placed on the blacklist, it is not due to
spam but your computer may have a potential virus that was detected."
MAY have a POTENTIAL virus, what BS is that all about??
One definition of "potential virus" is an attachment of executable
type, such as .exe, .pif, .scr, that are commonly used by viruses
to spread and may be executed automatically by some Windows mail
clients. Considering the magnitude of the problem with viruses, I
don't think it is unreasonable to prohibit *ALL* executable attachments
without trying to figure out whether it matches the pattern of a
known virus. Just using a virus scanner will let through new viruses
that haven't been identified yet (and new ones have been coming in
at an amazing rate).
So, some ISPs reject all emails with executable attachments, whether
they have a virus or not. (Many ISPs also drop port 135 packets
whether they are malicious or not, and outgoing port 25 traffic
from dialup lines to mail servers other than their own whether it
is SPAM or not. It is rather difficult for a router to detect
whether opening a port 25 connection is going to carry SPAM until
the connection is open and the content is actually sent). I don't
know of any ISPs who then cancel a customer account for sending an
executable attachment without determining that it IS a virus.
Some businesses reject *ALL ATTACHMENTS*. Period.
How can they DETECT a potential virus we MAY have. I may be growing
taller and my feet potentially increasing to size 13's too.
If your email has an attachment with a file extension of one of the
many, many executable types recognized by Windows, that's a potential
virus. And, of course, viruses forge email return addresses, so
identification of an account (rather than an IP address) that sent
the virus may be tricky, and likely impossible without the cooperation
of the ISP whose network it was sent from (especially in a dialup-line
or dynamic-ip situation). You can easily get flooded with complaints
about a virus if someone you know (and who has your address in their
address book) is infected.
This sounds like a fishing expedition by the isp gathering "genuine"
IP addresses. Have they summarily blacklisted everyone then take them
off as they verify their IP address??
Yes, I use a personal white list. That means the ENTIRE WORLD
except for a few select email addresses goes into a folder that
gets reviewed quickly once a week or so and if the sender or subject
line doesn't look interesting, it never gets read. If the email
contains HTML, uses a foreign character set, or contains executable
attachments, chances are I won't even look at it at all. That's
quite different from an ISP doing it, though.
Maybe they don't automatically black list the biggies like AOL, MSN
etc etc, just tromp all over the little folk out there.
Yep, my white list blocks all those guys. I don't think there's a single
exception for AOL or MSN, because the people I correspond with don't
happen to use them.
We have never had a virus, and due to our vigilance we will never have
one in the future, so that can't be valid. Beats the crap outa-me what
that is all about.
It is surprising how many administrators do not know that viruses use
forged return addresses, and get quite upset that I'm not willing to
take their messages about "YOU MAY HAVE A VIRUS" seriously when the
email address in question belonged to a computer that's been dismantled
for several years.
Gordon L. Burditt
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Jenny3kids@msn.net wrote:
Further to my "Lawyer interested in a class action??" thread...
Finally after 9 tries we have a human intervening, well, I think it is
a human.
Surrounded by the "standard" form letter BS here's what we received
this morning.
"When an e-mail address is placed on the blacklist, it is not due to
spam but your computer may have a potential virus that was detected."
MAY have a POTENTIAL virus, what BS is that all about??
How can they DETECT a potential virus we MAY have. I may be growing
taller and my feet potentially increasing to size 13's too.
This sounds like a fishing expedition by the isp gathering "genuine"
IP addresses. Have they summarily blacklisted everyone then take them
off as they verify their IP address??
Maybe they don't automatically black list the biggies like AOL, MSN
etc etc, just tromp all over the little folk out there.
We have never had a virus, and due to our vigilance we will never have
one in the future, so that can't be valid. Beats the crap outa-me what
that is all about.
I am ignoring it and let their customer worry about denial of email
service.
Get your own domain name and get a host that offers full e-mail services.
Use that as your main e-mail source and screw the ISP.
I have my own domain and I keep getting a virus sent to me so I found a way
to block it from even getting to me.
I was on earthlink for a whole week once. They had just installed a new spam
filtering software thing on their system and it blocked me from posting to
newsgroups real quick.
I wrote to public relations and they made the adjustments for me.
What you may have to do is write to the ISP via snail mail and explain the
situation thoroughly.
Only then will a real human actually read the mail and act upon it.
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Richard wrote:
I was on earthlink for a whole week once. They had just installed a new spam
filtering software thing on their system and it blocked me from posting to
newsgroups real quick.
May be a good thing, although I've had intermittent blockages on
my Earthlink postings.
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Jenny3kids@msn.net wrote:
Get your own domain name and get a host that offers full e-mail services.
Use that as your main e-mail source and screw the ISP.
I have my own domain and I keep getting a virus sent to me so I found a
way
to block it from even getting to me.
I was on earthlink for a whole week once. They had just installed a new
spam
filtering software thing on their system and it blocked me from posting to
newsgroups real quick.
Well, you violated their TOS and posted pictures of naked kids to a
non-binary group, just like you did with your MSN account before they nuked
your account.
http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=Earthlink%2C%20Bullis&safe=images&ie=UTF-8
&oe=UTF-8&lr=&hl=en
I wrote to public relations and they made the adjustments for me.
They did *what*, St00pid? Earthlink booted you, you threatened Alan Atwood
with a lawsuit, and you scurried to Wisconsin ahead of the Kentucky State
police investigation. It's all archived, Bullis.
What you may have to do is write to the ISP via snail mail and explain the
situation thoroughly.
Only then will a real human actually read the mail and act upon it.
Path:
sn-us!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu
!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!en
ews3
From: "Richard" <anonymous@127.000>
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: More on black-list issue
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:45:48 -0600
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Richard wrote:
May be a good thing, although I've had intermittent blockages on
my Earthlink postings.
However, I trust you weren't posting questionable photos to non-binary
groups and screaming lawsuits at Earthlink about it.
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informant wrote:
However, I trust you weren't posting questionable photos to non-binary
groups and screaming lawsuits at Earthlink about it.
No, I'm afraid not. I just exceeded their post quota -- possibly
because I couldn't remember the moderator's E-mail address to
report a few forged binary posts in moderated non-binary groups,
so I reposted them.
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informant wrote:
way
spam
Well, you violated their TOS and posted pictures of naked kids to a
non-binary group, just like you did with your MSN account before they
nuked your account.
No earthlink did not. Read the first post you link to below. I terminated
the account because I was moving.
I was going to terminate the MSN account anyway so that made no difference.
Why? Moving to an area where neither had access plays a big role as to
having an account with them.
http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=Earthlink%2C%20Bullis&safe=images&ie=UT
F-8 &oe=UTF-8&lr=&hl=en
I wrote to public relations and they made the adjustments for me.
They did *what*, St00pid? Earthlink booted you, you threatened Alan
Atwood with a lawsuit, and you scurried to Wisconsin ahead of the
Kentucky State police investigation. It's all archived, Bullis.
Those are his claims. Any one can use notepad to come up with that bull#@($.
What investigation? Another claim you have no proof of.
What you may have to do is write to the ISP via snail mail and explain
the situation thoroughly. Only then will a real human actually read the
mail and act upon it.
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
informant wrote:
However, I trust you weren't posting questionable photos to non-binary
groups and screaming lawsuits at Earthlink about it.
No, I'm afraid not. I just exceeded their post quota -- possibly
because I couldn't remember the moderator's E-mail address to
report a few forged binary posts in moderated non-binary groups,
so I reposted them.
Informant is a ranting card carrying lunatic.
He fails to note that he's been booted off more services in two years than
most ever do in a life time.
He spends all of his free time keeping track of what I post to use against
me in his sick world.
Here he's showing what an ass hole he really is.
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Well, you violated their TOS and posted pictures of naked kids to a
non-binary group, just like you did with your MSN account before they
nuked
your account., Bullis.
I saw that Bullis once again made the claim about you losing more accounts
in the past two years than anyone else. Odd thing to say seeing as how
there is a ton of proof regarding the accounts Bullis has lost over the past
two years yet I see no evidence for you. Your Google history goes back to
December 2002 and from the get go you have used Supernews, just as you do to
this day.
Could you please point out some of those accounts you lost over the past two
years? Bullis only seems interested in making the claim without any proof.
Please do so right away so we can make fun of you and all those accounts you
lost. I for one plan to ignore the fact that Bullis lost his own Supernews
account quite some time ago, which was obviously a mistake because clearly
he is a victim while you are the bully, constantly feeding your ego.
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informant wrote:
No earthlink did not. Read the first post you link to below. I terminated
the account because I was moving.
Quoting your own lies from back then doesn't count, Mr. Bullis. If you were
moving, why pay Earthlink for only a week? Here, read this one for yourself.
I'll take the honorable Rick Buchanan's word over your lying baboon azz any
day. But then, I was there.
http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3147186397d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=
377977e1.307033993%40209.242.64.104
From: Lysander Spooner (buchanan@cybernex.net)
Subject: Re: Dear gods.......I'm back
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Date: 1999/04/26
On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:36:02 -0400, "Richard B"
<richbull@earthlink.net> wrote:
Well it seems that the number one god won a battle.
There was no battle. You committed "death by netcop".
<aside>
"Death by cop" is a form of suicide where you give a police officer no
choice but to shoot you.
</aside>
Look, Richard, I didn't WANT to get you TOSsed! By Saturday morning
you had stopped forging legit domains, and everybody was enjoying your
contortions. The last thing I wanted to do was rob all these nice
people of the best court jester we've ever had!
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But when the binary-bombing of nanau started up again, with five
binaries in 10 minutes, you left me no choice. I had to drop a dime
on you.
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It will be over when god buchanan has been hauled into court and the judge
says, "Sorry to say this Mr. Buchanan, but your guilty as hell. Pay the
man."
What damages have you incurred?
What you people are doing may be more criminal than this.
Cite the law.
I have not yet found any legal basis for your actions, you merely assume
that a person using the name in his return path is violating some law.
Not me. If I did I wouldn't cancel them. I'd leave it to the
authorities.
It's net-abuse.
To Rick Buchanan, your e-mail to me stated that the USA Constitution has no
authority?
Lysander Spooner stated that. (See "No Treason...")
What gives you the right to be doing what your doing in the first place?
Emminent Domain? Divine Right of Kings?
How about individual liberty?
For your information sir, New Jersey has ratified the Constitution making
it
a part of the USA, not a foreign country.
I never signed it, so how can it be binding on -me-?
Furthermore sir, I have been checking into oxfordsystems claims of domain
name copyright.
It just may turn out that mr. atwood has no legal grounds to stand on.
As there are at least two other companies in the USA that use the name
"Oxford systems". One deals in liquid oxygen, and the other in software.
"Oxford" in itself, is a city name as well as a family name.
You might know of the most famous City of Oxford in the UK?
Or how about Miami University in Oxford Ohio?
I was ready for you this time. I've got a clear inflatable pillow
tied to the front of my monitor! I can bang my head now without
damage to screen or noggin.
It makes the writing look real funky though...
As long as you calm your ass down, leave my posts alone from now on, we
just
might get along.
Don't try anymore binary tantrums, and we may at that.
Until we get to court that is.
Take a number.
-- Rick
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I was going to terminate the MSN account anyway so that made no
difference.
Yet you squealed and ranted and threatened lawsuits after committing your
net-abuse, Bullis. It didn't fly back then and it doesn't fly now.
Why? Moving to an area where neither had access plays a big role as to
having an account with them.
I wrote to public relations and they made the adjustments for me.
Those are his claims. Any one can use notepad to come up with that
bull#@($.
What investigation? Another claim you have no proof of.
Ask you neighbor, Sharon B. She knew the names of the officers. That was
after your shotgun waving threats. I also believe her over your lying baboon
azz. I was there.
What you may have to do is write to the ISP via snail mail and explain
the situation thoroughly. Only then will a real human actually read
the
mail and act upon it.
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
However, I trust you weren't posting questionable photos to non-binary
groups and screaming lawsuits at Earthlink about it.
Informant is a ranting card carrying lunatic.
He fails to note that he's been booted off more services in two years than
most ever do in a life time.
Mr. Bullis, unlike you, I have never lost an account. Your net-abuse,
however, is well documented.
He spends all of his free time keeping track of what I post to use against
me in his sick world.
Here he's showing what an ass hole he really is.
It takes no time to quote your lies back to you, St00pid. The Google
archives are quite easy to navigate.
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nuked
I saw that Bullis once again made the claim about you losing more accounts
in the past two years than anyone else. Odd thing to say seeing as how
there is a ton of proof regarding the accounts Bullis has lost over the
past
two years yet I see no evidence for you. Your Google history goes back to
December 2002 and from the get go you have used Supernews, just as you do
to
this day.
Oh, I had a Newscene account that's archived back to Feb. 2000 under this
nick. Same deal as Supernews; Bullis lost his, I kept mine. St00pid really
hates that. He didn't keep his Giganews account long enough (three days) for
me to get out a credit card. But, here's few gems. The first will be of
special interest. <snicker>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=informant%2C+newscene&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl
=en
Could you please point out some of those accounts you lost over the past
two
years? Bullis only seems interested in making the claim without any
proof.
Please do so right away so we can make fun of you and all those accounts
you
lost.
Sure thing, here you go:
1. <none>
I for one plan to ignore the fact that Bullis lost his own Supernews
account quite some time ago, which was obviously a mistake because clearly
he is a victim while you are the bully, constantly feeding your ego.
Quite so, and the Supernews admins unbelievably nuked St00pid's account to
cinders while unfathomably allowing me to keep mine. It must be that Bullis
is bold and brave and I just hide behind secrecy.
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informant wrote:
Mr. Bullis, unlike you, I have never lost an account. Your net-abuse,
however, is well documented.
Actually, I have lost accounts a few times.
The entire ISP went under or went private....
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