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The battle rages on, but I think Messalina hit the nail on the head a
while back when she wrote:
"Want my honest opinion as a woman and former rape crisis counselor?
The truth lies in between. I think he had the idea he was pushing the
boundaries of decency with the girl, and stopped when he realized she
had truly withdrawn her consent. I think she had some fantasy in her
head about a willing encounter with him, but decided against it when
he approached her too crudely."
I could certainly be wrong, but my feeling is that Kobe was absolutely
shocked when the cops came down on him. Not because he got caught, but
because he honestly had no intention of raping her.
This scenario explains a lot, and I think it is the story that the
jury will finally settle on. He thought she was enjoying their
encounter, but she wasn't, so in her head she was thinking "I'm being
raped". And, of course, by the time she cried and effectively
communicated her displeasure, it was too late; they'd already @$#*ed.
Hence the exaggerations and shifting stories on Katelyn's side. Maybe
she didn't communicate a "No" effectively, but so what? From her
perspective, it was a rape, cut and dried, and the ends justify the
means. If she has to change her story around a little to get justice,
that's okay because ultimately she feels she is in the right.
In short, he's not a rapist, and she's not (at the bottom line) a
gold-digging false accusing slut. He didn't mean to hurt her, but
nevertheless, she was genuinely hurt.
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In short, he's not a rapist, and she's not (at the bottom line) a
gold-digging false accusing slut. He didn't mean to hurt her, but
nevertheless, she was genuinely hurt.
OH, we can't be having opinions like this. Its an either/or kinda country
now.
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Waldo Weaver wrote:
In short, he's not a rapist, and she's not (at the bottom line) a
gold-digging false accusing slut. He didn't mean to hurt her, but
nevertheless, she was genuinely hurt.
Nope. He's not a rapist, you got that part right. She's not hurt
though, or she wouldn't be out @$#*ing the bellhop on the way home and
bragging about how big Kobe is at a party on Friday. The only person
hurt was Kobe, hurt by the lying sniveling #@&@
who didn't take
responsibility for her own disappointment, and hurt by the misandrist
assholes in the county and state government. Kobe is the only real
victim in the whole sordid shameful affair.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]
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The person writing the article appears to have made a false assumption that
it was a every day lady involved with Kobe. This was a lady who caused
incredible drama 2 other times to get attention with those botched suicide
attempts. This time, she gets the sympathy she craves without having to
ruin her own life. All she had to do was ruin the life of someone who had
the nerve to use her as a one night stand. Mix this in with the fact she
had complete reversals of her story when comparing notes between the
detective and the DA, and the picture is pretty clear. If this was in New
York, there is no trial. Classic case of the good ol Eagle County boys
getting a chance to fry a big fish. No prosecuting attorney with any brains
would back this woman when mixing her past with her swiss cheese story about
Kobe.
I can't stand it when people play the race card, but now I'm doing it.
Kobe, you were black in the wrong town. If it were Peyton Manning, this
drama would have ended back in July.
The battle rages on, but I think Messalina hit the nail on the head a
while back when she wrote:
"Want my honest opinion as a woman and former rape crisis counselor?
The truth lies in between. I think he had the idea he was pushing the
boundaries of decency with the girl, and stopped when he realized she
had truly withdrawn her consent. I think she had some fantasy in her
head about a willing encounter with him, but decided against it when
he approached her too crudely."
I could certainly be wrong, but my feeling is that Kobe was absolutely
shocked when the cops came down on him. Not because he got caught, but
because he honestly had no intention of raping her.
This scenario explains a lot, and I think it is the story that the
jury will finally settle on. He thought she was enjoying their
encounter, but she wasn't, so in her head she was thinking "I'm being
raped". And, of course, by the time she cried and effectively
communicated her displeasure, it was too late; they'd already @$#*ed.
Hence the exaggerations and shifting stories on Katelyn's side. Maybe
she didn't communicate a "No" effectively, but so what? From her
perspective, it was a rape, cut and dried, and the ends justify the
means. If she has to change her story around a little to get justice,
that's okay because ultimately she feels she is in the right.
In short, he's not a rapist, and she's not (at the bottom line) a
gold-digging false accusing slut. He didn't mean to hurt her, but
nevertheless, she was genuinely hurt.
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Waldo Weaver wrote:
In short, he's not a rapist, and she's not (at the bottom line) a
gold-digging false accusing slut. He didn't mean to hurt her, but
nevertheless, she was genuinely hurt.
I've maintained all along that she's probably not a gold-digger. More
likely her fragile psyche has rationalized her account of events for the
reasons given in the article/post.
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Bob wrote:
Waldo Weaver wrote:
Nope. He's not a rapist, you got that part right. She's not hurt
though, or she wouldn't be out @$#*ing the bellhop on the way home and
bragging about how big Kobe is at a party on Friday. The only person
hurt was Kobe, hurt by the lying sniveling #@&@
who didn't take
responsibility for her own disappointment, and hurt by the misandrist
assholes in the county and state government. Kobe is the only real
victim in the whole sordid shameful affair.
His wife is the first victim.
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"Waldo Weaver" <waldoweaver@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:5aede0f4.0403111912.51378104@posting.google.com...
This scenario explains a lot, and I think it is the story that the
jury will finally settle on. He thought she was enjoying their
encounter, but she wasn't, so in her head she was thinking "I'm being
raped". And, of course, by the time she cried and effectively
communicated her displeasure, it was too late; they'd already @$#*ed.
Hence the exaggerations and shifting stories on Katelyn's side. Maybe
she didn't communicate a "No" effectively, but so what? From her
perspective, it was a rape, cut and dried, and the ends justify the
means. If she has to change her story around a little to get justice,
that's okay because ultimately she feels she is in the right.
Ok, here is my position.
I have only one single issue working against Kobe, and that is
the presence of blood on his shirt.
It had to be transferred from the perineal injuries, unless it is
menstrual blood. If it is from the perineum area, it would have
to come from a hard object, like a belt buckle. Otherwise,
it makes no sense to me.
Maybe it is from another encounter. As this is their first
encounter, and there might have been some size differences,
you would expect some injuries sorenes, but to the vaginal
area, not the perineum. It could be from some previous
injury she received. I just don't know what could have
created it.
Having said that - everything else goes against her.
She didn't clearly communicate no. (Which kind of eliminates
the "no means no" mantra, because if she didn't say no... Then,
Kobe stopped when she put her hand on his, which is not
the action of a frenzied rapist.
Then, everyone in this case seems to be lying. Johnray Strickland
lied when he claimed she now has "trust issues" (I refer to the
photographs in The Globe as a refutation of that.)
The fact that she seems to dramatise everything. Trying to
gain attention by trying to commit suicide twice, to her bipolar
disorder, to having sex with lots of people before and after
the incident. Showing up with Pietrack's semen in her panties
can't make things simpler for the prosecution.
The accuser lied when she changed her story during the
following police interviews.
The sheriff lied when he went behind D.A. Hurlbert's back to
get Kobe into custody.
Alex
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Nope. He's not a rapist, you got that part right. She's not hurt
though, or she wouldn't be out @$#*ing the bellhop on the way home and
bragging about how big Kobe is at a party on Friday. The only person
hurt was Kobe, hurt by the lying sniveling #@&@
who didn't take
responsibility for her own disappointment, and hurt by the misandrist
assholes in the county and state government. Kobe is the only real
victim in the whole sordid shameful affair.
His wife is the first victim.
Bull#@($: decent men who thought his wife was anything but someone who will
tolerate an amazing level of humiliation for his money are the true victims.
Message to men: you can be Kobe and still get his wife.
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Miguel wrote:
Bob wrote:
His wife is the first victim.
LOL. His wife is no victim at all.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]
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I have only one single issue working against Kobe, and that is
the presence of blood on his shirt.
It had to be transferred from the perineal injuries, unless it is
menstrual blood. If it is from the perineum area, it would have
to come from a hard object, like a belt buckle. Otherwise,
it makes no sense to me.
Maybe it is from another encounter. As this is their first
encounter, and there might have been some size differences,
you would expect some injuries sorenes, but to the vaginal
area, not the perineum. It could be from some previous
injury she received. I just don't know what could have
created it.
So what's your point here?
Greg
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"greg brown" <noway@way.com> schreef in bericht
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So what's your point here?
One point would be that this is a meritless case.
Another would be that if it is a he said/she said,
the benefit of the doubt should be expected to go
to the accused. Hurlbert should know that.
Alex
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<40513589.6060506@hotmail.com>...
Waldo Weaver wrote:
Nope. He's not a rapist, you got that part right. She's not hurt
though, or she wouldn't be out @$#*ing the bellhop on the way home and
bragging about how big Kobe is at a party on Friday. The only person
hurt was Kobe, hurt by the lying sniveling #@&@
who didn't take
responsibility for her own disappointment, and hurt by the misandrist
assholes in the county and state government. Kobe is the only real
victim in the whole sordid shameful affair.
Bob
I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you, Bob.
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"greg brown" <noway@way.com> schreef in bericht
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One point would be that this is a meritless case.
Another would be that if it is a he said/she said,
the benefit of the doubt should be expected to go
to the accused. Hurlbert should know that.
No, I meant what's your point regardng what you said about the blood.
Greg
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"greg brown" <noway@way.com> schreef in bericht
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No, I meant what's your point regardng what you said about the blood.
The point about the blood is, that without it, there
is no link between the two at all.
Without the blood, Kobe could just have said
they never had intercourse at all.
Alex
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