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Fischer Interview 12/09/2001 on World Trade Center Attack
This is a transcript from the available mp3-file(*) of the (19th?)
Bobby Fischer interview taken shortly after the attack on the world
trade center 11/09/2001. Thanks also to P. van der Hoog for providing
some parts
(*) mp3-files of all the interviews at the japanese URL
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/
previous interviews
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Mr Mercado about this interview:
"Bobby rang me up while he was watching the events in New York live on
television. He felt so strongly about what he was watching, he wanted
to say the American government had it coming to them.
I was shocked but not surprised. I know his views about America
because I have spoken to him on a number of occasions and met him
through our mutual friend Eugene Torre. It is Bobby Fischer without a
shadow of a doubt."
Mr Mercado said that Mr Fischer had put on weight since his last
public appearance and talked constantly of his old chess matches. He
always carried chess books with him. The Telegraph tracked down Mr
Fischer to his hideaway in Japan on Friday but he put the telephone
down... Mr Fischer is already wanted for questioning by the FBI for
breaking UN sanctions by taking part in a chess match in Serbia
against Boris Spassky in 1992 - his first for 20 years. The match
broke sanctions imposed by the United Nations and in a controversial
move he was indicted in the United States. President George Bush, the
father of the current president, gave his personal approval for the
legal action. (Telegraph 02/12/2001)
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Pablo (Radio Bombo): ..We have on the line a notified friend, so well
uh.. we used to interview now and then for the past several years, uh
I think for the past four years .. We have a chess grandmaster ...uh
yes he was the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer and he is on the
line right now and he would like to view his opinion and give some
commentary on what happened at the world trade center just a few hours
ago and ... It could be an attack at the White House and I think the
Pentagon too...he is in right here
Fischer: How are you doing, Pablo
Pablo: Well..
Fischer: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the @$#*ing
Jews get their heads kicked in. It's time to finish off the US once
and for all. ...Everybody knows how you ... how you..uh
Pablo: Just give us a few simple statements
Fischer: I was happy, could not really believe what has happened. I
just cant be crying about the US , you know ..All the crimes the US is
committing all over the world. This just shows, what goes around, that
comes around even to the United States. Thats what happened tonight,
what goes around comes around even to the United States.
Pablo: Mhm, You are saying you are ... you are happy about what
happened?
Fischer: Yes, I applause the act. Look nobody gets.. no one.. that the
US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians for years.
Robbing and slaughtering for years and treating everyone like #@($.
Now it is coming back at the US. Fuck the US, I wanna see the US wake
up..
Pablo: Hehe, right ... Well the US is super power, how did...
Fischer: Well , probably it is not as powerful as everybody thought,
there were highjacked those planes , there has been no intelligence on
this, it was a major operation, Pablo, probably, hundreds of people
were hoping for this.
Pablo: Mhm, yes
Fischer: How is it possible that the great US is nobody (high-pitched
voice)
Pablo: Yeah, thats what they have been doing here in the Philippines,
and considering the properties they have right now you know...
business...
Fischer: What I am really hoping for, Pablo, did you ever see that
movie Seven Days In May
Pablo: Yes,yes
Fischer: That's a movie about a general who tries to take over the
USA. I think it was with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas, it was based
on a book. I saw that years ago.
Pablo: Yes I did
Fischer: That was more than a plain gesture.
Pablo: Yeah,yeah.
Fischer: I was really for the generals, you know. but in the end the
president of the so-called democracy won. But I'm hoping for some kind
of a Seven Days In May scenario in the lakes of Ontario, where the
country will be taken over by the military, all the civil guards, to
close down all the synagogues, arrest all the Jews, execute hundreds
of thousand of Jewish ringleaders, and ,you know, apologize to the
Arabs for the killing, .. for all the Jews over there of that bandit
state, you know Israel. I'm hoping for a totally new world.
Pablo: Really?
Fischer: Yeah. Nobody here gives a #@($ about the Japanese. How many
hundreds of thousand people did the US kill with the atom bombs ,
justifying it with the most ridiculous excuse that it saved millions
American soldiers, when Japan would gonna surrender in a few weeks or
month or so anyway. Right? The United State is based on lies, is based
on theft. Look what I have done for the US. Nobody has single handily
done more for the US them me, I really believe in this. When I won the
World Championship in 1972, the United States had an image of ,you
know, a football country, baseball country, but nobody thought of it
as an intellectual country. I turned all that around single handily,
right? But I was useful then because it was the cold war, right? But
now I'm not useful anymore, you see, the cold war is over and now they
want to wipe me out, get everything I have, put me into prison.
You have to go back to the root of history of the country, look at the
history of the country. Get something for nothing. Take and kill. Rob
the country, they don't come in a civilized manner and say we like to
marry your women, and so on. No, they take your land and they kill you
off. That's the history of the US. Why did the white man not come to
America, like in a civilized manner, preaching freedom of religion,
say we like to come here. We like to assimilate, we like to marry your
women. But no, we take your land and kill you off , right? Bring over
slaves from Africa. That's the history of the United States. A
despicable country, you know. Even as a boy I never had the slightest
interest in the history of the US, I knew their was something rotten
in Denmark.
(..)
The US just will not do what they have to do. The US has to say we're
sorry, our whole foreign policy has been wrong for the last several
hundred years, we are going to pull back all our troops from all over
the world, we are not going stop support Israel and so on. But they
only will say that this cowardly act will be punished.
(..)
Democracy is just a load of bull#@($, it is just a cover for the
criminal nature of the United States of Ameri
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Oh what is NYC to do, when one of its favorite sons turns against it so
viciously?
Gordon obviously has nothing against the anti-Semitic rants Bobby Fisher
had.
Clarification: I no way endorse Fischer's comments, but find it interesting
how those in NYC, where he was a demi-God for decades, would view them.
It's very conflicting.
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in article rRu5c.10718$1g2.3961@nwrdny02.gnilink.net, Ray Gordon at
ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/15/04 10:51 PM:
Oh what is NYC to do, when one of its favorite sons turns against it so
viciously?
Gordon obviously has nothing against the anti-Semitic rants Bobby Fisher
had.
Fischer: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the @$#*ing
Jews get their heads kicked in
Fischer: I was really for the generals, you know. but in the end the
president of the so-called democracy won. But I'm hoping for some kind
of a Seven Days In May scenario in the lakes of Ontario, where the
country will be taken over by the military, all the civil guards, to
close down all the synagogues, arrest all the Jews, execute hundreds
of thousand of Jewish ringleaders.
Fischer: But I'm hoping for
the Seven Days In May scenario, where sane people will take over the
US, military people. They will imprison the Jews, they will execute
several hundred thousand of them, at least.
Fischer: I think the Jews want to drive the elephants to extension,
because the trunk of the elephant reminds them of an uncircumcised
penis.
Fischer: Jews are sick, they are mental cases
Or how about Fischer's belief in the separation of races?
Fischer: And ultimately the white man should leave
the US, the black man should go back to Africa, the white back to
Europe, and the country should be returned to the American Indians who
lived there for, who knows how many, ten of thousands of years.
If Gordon wants to throw his lot in with people like Fisher and
JimSummers87, it says quite a bit about him and "civil rights" advocacy.
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Grp,
Do you imagine that since Mr. Fischer is a nasty little misanthrope,
that this somehow mitigates your own worthlessness?
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Your 9/11 tantrum exposes your
character, and the fact that Jerry Falwell, Bobby Fischer, or anyone
else took the opportunity to try to draw attention to themselves does
not redeem you in any way.
-jcr
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Ray Gordon wrote:
I never said I supported Fischer's words, just that I think NYC is very
conflicted about its former favorite son, who was like a demi-god there.
Demigod? What are you talking about? He was a chess player, and even at
the height of his publicity I doubt that one in ten New Yorkers even
knew who he was.
Anyhow, this goes to show that talent in playing a game is not
necessarily correlated with any other positive traits.
-jcr
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Grp,
Do you imagine that since Mr. Fischer is a nasty little misanthrope,
that this somehow mitigates your own worthlessness?
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Your 9/11 tantrum exposes your
character,
Employment discrimination and sexual harassment expose Wall Street's. It's
well documented in lawsuits. The more you whine about me and ignore what
goes on there, the more you show your character as well.
God is very clearly on my side of this debate; he doesn't like trader trash.
If you're any indication of what they called friend, I can see yet another
reason why.
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I never said I supported Fischer's words, just that I think NYC is very
conflicted about its former favorite son, who was like a demi-god there.
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in article rRu5c.10718$1g2.3961@nwrdny02.gnilink.net, Ray Gordon at
ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/15/04 10:51 PM:
Gordon obviously has nothing against the anti-Semitic rants Bobby Fisher
had.
Or how about Fischer's belief in the separation of races?
If Gordon wants to throw his lot in with people like Fisher and
JimSummers87, it says quite a bit about him and "civil rights" advocacy.
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Alex <akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message news:<BC7BE963.10014%akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com>...
If Gordon wants to throw his lot in with people like Fisher and
JimSummers87, it says quite a bit about him and "civil rights" advocacy.
If you are going to claim that "Ray" supports what Fischer said merely
because he reposted what Fischer said, then I assume that you and your
friends support what "Ray" said on 9-11 because you are constantly
reposting them. Right?
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in article gov5c.9415$Q2.5731@nwrdny03.gnilink.net, Ray Gordon at
ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/15/04 11:29 PM:
Oh what is NYC to do, when one of its favorite sons turns against it so
viciously?
Gordon obviously has nothing against the anti-Semitic rants Bobby Fisher
had.
Clarification: I no way endorse Fischer's comments, but find it interesting
how those in NYC, where he was a demi-God for decades, would view them.
It's very conflicting.
Everyone I know who knew of Fisher finds him deeply disturbed.
Obviously, Gordon feels a kinship.
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in article %Av5c.17313$Eg3.6962@nwrdny01.gnilink.net, Ray Gordon at
ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/15/04 11:42 PM:
I never said I supported Fischer's words, just that I think NYC is very
conflicted about its former favorite son, who was like a demi-god there.
No one I know in NYC is conflicted about Fisher.
And that was BEFORE 9/11.
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He was a chess player, and even at
the height of his publicity I doubt that one in ten New Yorkers even
knew who he was.
My recollection is that at the height of his fame anyone who read newpapers
or magazines or watched TV knew who Bobby Fischer was - the first Master of
the West to challenge and break the lock of the USSR on the world
championship. And calling Bobby Fischer a "chess player," is like calling
Mozart a competent keyboard artist.
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in article 1kA5c.12536$1g2.12407@nwrdny02.gnilink.net, Ray Gordon at
ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/16/04 5:05 AM:
God is very clearly on my side of this debate; he doesn't like trader trash.
If you're any indication of what they called friend, I can see yet another
reason why.
Gordon continues to claim that he speaks for God.
Religious delusions are a well-recognized sign of mania.
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in article d7eb150a.0403160439.2d0d6fef@posting.google.com, Buck Fush at
buckfush666@yahoo.com wrote on 3/16/04 7:39 AM:
If you are going to claim that "Ray" supports what Fischer said merely
because he reposted what Fischer said, then I assume that you and your
friends support what "Ray" said on 9-11 because you are constantly
reposting them. Right?
Perhaps you need to learn the history here before opening your yap so I can
spank you and send you on your way again,
Gordon is desperate to show that other people (who he thinks are respected)
made comments similar to his about 9/11.
As for my comments, perhaps you are unaware of what the conditional "if"
means.
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He was a chess player, and even at
the height of his publicity I doubt that one in ten New Yorkers even
knew who he was.
My recollection is that at the height of his fame anyone who read
newpapers
or magazines or watched TV knew who Bobby Fischer was - the first Master
of
the West to challenge and break the lock of the USSR on the world
championship. And calling Bobby Fischer a "chess player," is like calling
Mozart a competent keyboard artist.
You're addressing a whining, two-bit geek who'd never come close to leaving
a mark in the arts the way Fischer did.
Like in that movie "About Schmidt," where Schmidt pointed out that he'd
never be remembered for anything.
That's the price people pay for becoming corporate drones.
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In article <IED5c.21230$Eg3.11225@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, Ray Gordon
<ray@cybersheet.com> wrote:
He was a chess player, and even at
the height of his publicity I doubt that one in ten New Yorkers
even knew who he was.
The only reason people did know about Fischer was because of the Cold
War. Any time an American bested the Soviets, that person gained
instant fame. You can cross-reference Van Cliburn for another example
of this.
My recollection is that at the height of his fame anyone who read
newpapers or magazines or watched TV knew who Bobby Fischer was -
the first Master of the West to challenge and break the lock of the
USSR on the world championship. And calling Bobby Fischer a "chess
player," is like calling Mozart a competent keyboard artist.
You're addressing a whining, two-bit geek who'd never come close to
leaving a mark in the arts the way Fischer did.
Are you calling Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart a "two-bit geek who'd never
come close to leaving a mark in the arts the way Fischer did?"
If so, you're quite mistaken. Mozart's music is some of the most
recognized in the entire world.
Some people claim that Mozart was the greatest musician ever, and it's
not impossible to come to that conclusion after listening to his body
of music from operas to concertos to piano solos to symphonies.
Mozart's music simply sounds perfect.
Like in that movie "About Schmidt," where Schmidt pointed out that
he'd never be remembered for anything.
Are you talking about the composer Schmitt, who is best known for a
series of exercise books still being used by pianists throughout the
world? I'll confess to not seeing the movie so I don't exactly know who
you're talking about, but since we're on the sub-topic of music, the
assumption can be reasonable--and does not negate the statement that
follows.
Some people are humble and self-effacing. Whether we're remembered for
anything depends on whether we produce something that is of enough
value (positive or negative) for others to remember it.
It is far easier to be remembered for something negative than for
something positive. Mozart and Schmitt have been remembered for
something positive. Beethoven has been remembered for something
positive. Igor Stravinsky has been remembered for something positive.
Johann Sebastian Bach has been remembered for something positive. Even
Arnold Schnberg will be remembered for something positive.
You, Gordon, on the other hand, will be remembered (if at all) for
attempting to convince the general public that women deserve to be
beaten, raped, and murdered because of the way they treat you.
That's the price people pay for becoming corporate drones.
Well, I'm becoming very well recognized as a music editor. I've had
composers specifically request me as their editor, because they know
that not only am I thorough; I'm also very easy to work with. I've
actually had teachers call the company I work for and ask that I create
a definitive edition of certain piano works.
James King
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Oh what is NYC to do, when one of its favorite sons turns against it so
viciously?
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My recollection is that at the height of his fame anyone who read
newpapers
or magazines or watched TV knew who Bobby Fischer was - the first Master
of
the West to challenge and break the lock of the USSR on the world
championship. And calling Bobby Fischer a "chess player," is like calling
Mozart a competent keyboard artist.
I had the privilege of singing "Anthem" from the musical "Chess" to
Viktor Kochnoi in Sweden, at the first grand chess tournament held in
Scandinavia. When I told my colleagues about it, none of them knew who
Kochnoi was.
J.
P.S. To keep the records straight, Kochnoi was Fishers opponent in that
famous tournament in the 60's.
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h what is NYC to do, when one of its favorite sons turns against it so
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Fischer Interview 12/09/2001 on World Trade Center Attack
This is a transcript from the available mp3-file(*) of the (19th?)
Bobby Fischer interview taken shortly after the attack on the world
trade center 11/09/2001. Thanks also to P. van der Hoog for providing
some parts
(*) mp3-files of all the interviews at the japanese URL
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/
previous interviews
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Mr Mercado about this interview:
"Bobby rang me up while he was watching the events in New York live on
television. He felt so strongly about what he was watching, he wanted
to say the American government had it coming to them.
I was shocked but not surprised. I know his views about America
because I have spoken to him on a number of occasions and met him
through our mutual friend Eugene Torre. It is Bobby Fischer without a
shadow of a doubt."
Mr Mercado said that Mr Fischer had put on weight since his last
public appearance and talked constantly of his old chess matches. He
always carried chess books with him. The Telegraph tracked down Mr
Fischer to his hideaway in Japan on Friday but he put the telephone
down... Mr Fischer is already wanted for questioning by the FBI for
breaking UN sanctions by taking part in a chess match in Serbia
against Boris Spassky in 1992 - his first for 20 years. The match
broke sanctions imposed by the United Nations and in a controversial
move he was indicted in the United States. President George Bush, the
father of the current president, gave his personal approval for the
legal action. (Telegraph 02/12/2001)
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Pablo (Radio Bombo): ..We have on the line a notified friend, so well
uh.. we used to interview now and then for the past several years, uh
I think for the past four years .. We have a chess grandmaster ...uh
yes he was the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer and he is on the
line right now and he would like to view his opinion and give some
commentary on what happened at the world trade center just a few hours
ago and ... It could be an attack at the White House and I think the
Pentagon too...he is in right here
Fischer: How are you doing, Pablo
Pablo: Well..
Fischer: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the @$#*ing
Jews get their heads kicked in. It's time to finish off the US once
and for all. ...Everybody knows how you ... how you..uh
Pablo: Just give us a few simple statements
Fischer: I was happy, could not really believe what has happened. I
just cant be crying about the US , you know ..All the crimes the US is
committing all over the world. This just shows, what goes around, that
comes around even to the United States. Thats what happened tonight,
what goes around comes around even to the United States.
Pablo: Mhm, You are saying you are ... you are happy about what
happened?
Fischer: Yes, I applause the act. Look nobody gets.. no one.. that the
US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians for years.
Robbing and slaughtering for years and treating everyone like #@($.
Now it is coming back at the US. Fuck the US, I wanna see the US wake
up..
Pablo: Hehe, right ... Well the US is super power, how did...
Fischer: Well , probably it is not as powerful as everybody thought,
there were highjacked those planes , there has been no intelligence on
this, it was a major operation, Pablo, probably, hundreds of people
were hoping for this.
Pablo: Mhm, yes
Fischer: How is it possible that the great US is nobody (high-pitched
voice)
Pablo: Yeah, thats what they have been doing here in the Philippines,
and considering the properties they have right now you know...
business...
Fischer: What I am really hoping for, Pablo, did you ever see that
movie Seven Days In May
Pablo: Yes,yes
Fischer: That's a movie about a general who tries to take over the
USA. I think it was with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas, it was based
on a book. I saw that years ago.
Pablo: Yes I did
Fischer: That was more than a plain gesture.
Pablo: Yeah,yeah.
Fischer: I was really for the generals, you know. but in the end the
president of the so-called democracy won. But I'm hoping for some kind
of a Seven Days In May scenario in the lakes of Ontario, where the
country will be taken over by the military, all the civil guards, to
close down all the synagogues, arrest all the Jews, execute hundreds
of thousand of Jewish ringleaders, and ,you know, apologize to the
Arabs for the killing, .. for all the Jews over there of that bandit
state, you know Israel. I'm hoping for a totally new world.
Pablo: Really?
Fischer: Yeah. Nobody here gives a #@($ about the Japanese. How many
hundreds of thousand people did the US kill with the atom bombs ,
justifying it with the most ridiculous excuse that it saved millions
American soldiers, when Japan would gonna surrender in a few weeks or
month or so anyway. Right? The United State is based on lies, is based
on theft. Look what I have done for the US. Nobody has single handily
done more for the US them me, I really believe in this. When I won the
World Championship in 1972, the United States had an image of ,you
know, a football country, baseball country, but nobody thought of it
as an intellectual country. I turned all that around single handily,
right? But I was useful then because it was the cold war, right? But
now I'm not useful anymore, you see, the cold war is over and now they
want to wipe me out, get everything I have, put me into prison.
You have to go back to the root of history of the country, look at the
history of the country. Get something for nothing. Take and kill. Rob
the country, they don't come in a civilized manner and say we like to
marry your women, and so on. No, they take your land and they kill you
off. That's the history of the US. Why did the white man not come to
America, like in a civilized manner, preaching freedom of religion,
say we like to come here. We like to assimilate, we like to marry your
women. But no, we take your land and kill you off , right? Bring over
slaves from Africa. That's the history of the United States. A
despicable country, yo
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his is unsurprising stuff. fischer's father was jewish and their
brooklyn "happy home" broke up when he was a little boy. his momma,
regina fischer, was a notorious nut case, who would picket anybody or
anything at the drop of a conspiracy theory.
i'm not sure what the noble game of chess breeds, but rmo has its jerome
bibuld, who seems to have learned everything he knows and spouts from
bobby fischer. they're both certifiably eligible for commitment.
dft
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Fischer Interview 12/09/2001 on World Trade Center Attack
This is a transcript from the available mp3-file(*) of the (19th?)
Bobby Fischer interview taken shortly after the attack on the world
trade center 11/09/2001. Thanks also to P. van der Hoog for providing
some parts
(*) mp3-files of all the interviews at the japanese URL
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/
previous interviews
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Mr Mercado about this interview:
"Bobby rang me up while he was watching the events in New York live on
television. He felt so strongly about what he was watching, he wanted
to say the American government had it coming to them.
I was shocked but not surprised. I know his views about America
because I have spoken to him on a number of occasions and met him
through our mutual friend Eugene Torre. It is Bobby Fischer without a
shadow of a doubt."
Mr Mercado said that Mr Fischer had put on weight since his last
public appearance and talked constantly of his old chess matches. He
always carried chess books with him. The Telegraph tracked down Mr
Fischer to his hideaway in Japan on Friday but he put the telephone
down... Mr Fischer is already wanted for questioning by the FBI for
breaking UN sanctions by taking part in a chess match in Serbia
against Boris Spassky in 1992 - his first for 20 years. The match
broke sanctions imposed by the United Nations and in a controversial
move he was indicted in the United States. President George Bush, the
father of the current president, gave his personal approval for the
legal action. (Telegraph 02/12/2001)
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Pablo (Radio Bombo): ..We have on the line a notified friend, so well
uh.. we used to interview now and then for the past several years, uh
I think for the past four years .. We have a chess grandmaster ...uh
yes he was the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer and he is on the
line right now and he would like to view his opinion and give some
commentary on what happened at the world trade center just a few hours
ago and ... It could be an attack at the White House and I think the
Pentagon too...he is in right here
Fischer: How are you doing, Pablo
Pablo: Well..
Fischer: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the @$#*ing
Jews get their heads kicked in. It's time to finish off the US once
and for all. ...Everybody knows how you ... how you..uh
Pablo: Just give us a few simple statements
Fischer: I was happy, could not really believe what has happened. I
just cant be crying about the US , you know ..All the crimes the US is
committing all over the world. This just shows, what goes around, that
comes around even to the United States. Thats what happened tonight,
what goes around comes around even to the United States.
Pablo: Mhm, You are saying you are ... you are happy about what
happened?
Fischer: Yes, I applause the act. Look nobody gets.. no one.. that the
US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians for years.
Robbing and slaughtering for years and treating everyone like #@($.
Now it is coming back at the US. Fuck the US, I wanna see the US wake
up..
Pablo: Hehe, right ... Well the US is super power, how did...
Fischer: Well , probably it is not as powerful as everybody thought,
there were highjacked those planes , there has been no intelligence on
this, it was a major operation, Pablo, probably, hundreds of people
were hoping for this.
Pablo: Mhm, yes
Fischer: How is it possible that the great US is nobody (high-pitched
voice)
Pablo: Yeah, thats what they have been doing here in the Philippines,
and considering the properties they have right now you know...
business...
Fischer: What I am really hoping for, Pablo, did you ever see that
movie Seven Days In May
Pablo: Yes,yes
Fischer: That's a movie about a general who tries to take over the
USA. I think it was with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas, it was based
on a book. I saw that years ago.
Pablo: Yes I did
Fischer: That was more than a plain gesture.
Pablo: Yeah,yeah.
Fischer: I was really for the generals, you know. but in the end the
president of the so-called democracy won. But I'm hoping for some kind
of a Seven Days In May scenario in the lakes of Ontario, where the
country will be taken over by the military, all the civil guards, to
close down all the synagogues, arrest all the Jews, execute hundreds
of thousand of Jewish ringleaders, and ,you know, apologize to the
Arabs for the killing, .. for all the Jews over there of that bandit
state, you know Israel. I'm hoping for a totally new world.
Pablo: Really?
Fischer: Yeah. Nobody here gives a #@($ about the Japanese. How many
hundreds of thousand people did the US kill with the atom bombs ,
justifying it with the most ridiculous excuse that it saved millions
American soldiers, when Japan would gonna surrender in a few weeks or
month or so anyway. Right? The United State is based on lies, is based
on theft. Look what I have done for the US. Nobody has single handily
done more for the US them me, I really believe in this. When I won the
World Championship in 1972, the United States had an image of ,you
know, a football country, baseball country, but nobody thought of it
as an intellectual country. I turned all that around single handily,
right? But I was useful then because it was the cold war, right? But
now I'm not useful anymore, you see, the cold war is over and now they
want to wipe me out, get everything I have, put me into prison.
You have to go back to the root of history of the country, look at the
history of the country. Get something for nothing. Take and kill. Rob
the country, they don't come in a civilized manner and say we like to
marry your women, and so on. No, they take your land and they kill you
off. That's the history of the US. Why did the white man not come to
America, like in a civilized manner, preaching freedom of religion,
say we like to come here. We like
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You claim that "Ray" supports what someone said merely because he
reposted it. Therefore, by your own "logic", anyone who reposts
"Ray"'s rants are guilty of supporting them. All I was doing was
taking your pretzel logic and untwisting it.
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"Buck Fush" wrote:
You claim that "Ray" supports what someone said merely
because he reposted it.
No, no, no...
RAY claims that anyone quoting things he said, is evidence
of conspiracy to commit ridicule.
Get this straight, willya? This is important stuff!
Therefore, by your own "logic", anyone who reposts
"Ray"'s rants are guilty of supporting them.
No, no, no...
Anyone who reposts "Ray's" rants is guilty of reposting
them so that "Ray" can't hide from them.
All I was doing was taking your pretzel logic and
untwisting it.
The only thing in knots around here, are your panties,
Buck...
What Mr. Kaufmann said was, Ray is trying to ride the
coattails of a more substantial public figure than himself.
Ray has claimed to be a "Civil Rights Activist", but is
clearly associating himself with bigots and racists, and
this does not bode well for Gordon Roy's credibility.
He should choose his heroes better. Or at least try to
stop making such a fool of himself.
We see that you and he hav read the same manual.
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This site contains many lies about me, but as a defender of
free speech I fully support its right to exist."
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*The original RayFAQ was removed from the internet as a
result of dozens of complaints from Gordon Roy Parker.
The site has been updated, and can now be found at:
http://www.ray-gordon.com If Mr. Parker feels that the
original site is is significantly different, he should
upload it to the internet, so everyone can compare the two.
Freedom of Speech is WORTHLESS without Social Responsibility.
The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon FAQ: http://www.ray-gordon.com
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BACK by POPULAR DEMAND! For an UNlimited time!
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in article d7eb150a.0403161058.6f7970b7@posting.google.com, Buck Fush at
buckfush666@yahoo.com wrote on 3/16/04 1:58 PM:
You claim that "Ray" supports what someone said merely because he
reposted it. Therefore, by your own "logic", anyone who reposts
"Ray"'s rants are guilty of supporting them. All I was doing was
taking your pretzel logic and untwisting it.
I notice how you had to snip the entire exchange to make your statement the
only word on the subject.
That's all I need to know about you.
Nice try though.
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The only reason people did know about Fischer was because of the Cold
War. Any time an American bested the Soviets, that person gained
instant fame. You can cross-reference Van Cliburn for another example
of this.
That's simply not true. Fischer was known because of the brilliance of his
gamesmanship, and at a very youthful age. And anyone reading his games even
today recognizes that. It was his genius which took him to the championship
match, and increased his fame to legendary status, but he was famous before
that victory.
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I had the privilege of singing "Anthem" from the musical "Chess" to
Viktor Kochnoi in Sweden, at the first grand chess tournament held in
Scandinavia. When I told my colleagues about it, none of them knew who
Kochnoi was.
J.
P.S. To keep the records straight, Kochnoi was Fishers opponent in that
famous tournament in the 60's.
That's "Korchnoi."
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EditorialStaff <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<PS15272P38062.6408101852@anonymous>...
"Buck Fush" wrote:
No, no, no...
Yes yes yes. Alex stated very clearly that he believes that "Ray"
supported Fischer's rant merely for reposting it. Which by the same
pretzel logic means that reposting the rants posted by "Ray" means
that the reposter supports them. You can't have it both ways.
RAY claims that anyone quoting things he said, is evidence
of conspiracy to commit ridicule.
Get this straight, willya? This is important stuff!
This has nothing to do with the point that I was making.
What Mr. Kaufmann said was, Ray is trying to ride the
coattails of a more substantial public figure than himself.
Ray has claimed to be a "Civil Rights Activist", but is
clearly associating himself with bigots and racists, and
this does not bode well for Gordon Roy's credibility.
Considering that "Ray Gordon" is nothing but your creation, a sock
puppet/straw man/bad guy invented to enrich the "seduction gurus" who
sell CRAP to SUCKERS desperate to ejaculate inside of a female, well
what does that say about you?
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Alex <akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message news:<BC7CDCE5.1014E%akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com>...
in article d7eb150a.0403161058.6f7970b7@posting.google.com, Buck Fush at
buckfush666@yahoo.com wrote on 3/16/04 1:58 PM:
I notice how you had to snip the entire exchange to make your statement the
only word on the subject.
I snipped the entire exchange because anyone who wants to read it can
scroll up to the previous posts in this thread.
That's all I need to know about you.
Gee, and we didn't even have sex. You don't know what you're missing.
LOL@U
Nice try though.
So this is the only way you can respond to me destroying your faulty
pretzel logic? Hell at least I tried!
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in article d7eb150a.0403161917.6bb3941c@posting.google.com, Buck Fush at
buckfush666@yahoo.com wrote on 3/16/04 10:17 PM:
Yes yes yes. Alex stated very clearly that he believes that "Ray"
supported Fischer's rant merely for reposting it.
Maybe in the parts of the messages you snipped, you could show me where I
said that.
You can't and that's why you snipped the original messages.
Let me refresh your memory.
If Gordon wants to throw his lot in with people like Fisher and
JimSummers87, it says quite a bit about him and "civil rights" advocacy.
What part of this is "stat(ing) very clearly" that I believe Gordon supports
the rant simply because he reposted it?
Funny how right after I asked if you needed help with understanding what the
conditional "if" means, you snipped the entire exchange.
Which by the same
pretzel logic means that reposting the rants posted by "Ray" means
that the reposter supports them. You can't have it both ways.
No one's trying to but you.
I've already shown you that you're wrong but you keep snipping messages and
beating a dead horse.
This has nothing to do with the point that I was making.
And the point that you were making was incorrect.
I've already shown you how it rests on a faulty assumption.
You just snip the parts you can't respond to and go flying off again.
Considering that "Ray Gordon" is nothing but your creation, a sock
puppet/straw man/bad guy invented to enrich the "seduction gurus" who
sell CRAP to SUCKERS desperate to ejaculate inside of a female, well
what does that say about you?
Another faulty assumption that has been dealt with before.
All you've got is snipping and ignoring the facts.
It's no wonder people think you're Gordon.
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in article d7eb150a.0403161920.892c96c@posting.google.com, Buck Fush at
buckfush666@yahoo.com wrote on 3/16/04 10:20 PM:
I snipped the entire exchange because anyone who wants to read it can
scroll up to the previous posts in this thread.
You snipped the entire exchange because I showed that your assumption was
wrong.
And rather than admitting that you overreacted based on your dislike of me,
you snipped the exchange and continued on as if nothing had been said.
I'm finding it easier to understand why some people think you're Gordon.
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Ray Gordon wrote:
That's the price people pay for becoming corporate drones.
Keep telling yourself that, and maybe you won't be in such a snit over
not getting entry-level secretarial work.
-jcr
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