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In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one might
expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying with
Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw Bar" where the
motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim traveled to Calgary
last August to visit her college roommate and possibly escape the media
spotlight after she made allegations of sexual assault against the NBA
superstar.
"She really thrives on attention," said Robinson. "That's what motivated her
to do everything that night. She wanted to be in the spotlight: 'Look at me!
Talk to me!' If a guy was talking to a friend, [she'd say] 'Introduce me!
Who's that?'"
The three women go on to relate how things got out of hand at the bar that
night and the accuser exposed her breasts. "I told her if you want a free
drink, you have to flash the bartender," remembered Kylie, adding that the
alleged victim did just that. Kylie also said bartender rewarded her with
Mardi Gras-style beads for showing him her chest. "She just kept coming back
for beads that he would give her for flashing."
The women said that they were shocked at the alleged victim's behavior, and
immediately had questions about her story. "The way she acted, everything
she did. There wasn't a time I absolutely believed she was raped."
Natalie added, "If I were in her shoes -- and I'm not -- but if I were in
her shoes, I don't think I'd be out like that, at all."
After their encounter with the alleged victim at the bar, the three women
decided to contact Kobe Bryant's lawyers. They say they expect to be called
to testify when the case goes to trial.
"After we were all out with her, seeing the way she was acting, she didn't
care. Something wasn't right in all of our minds."
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is stating
exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we witnessed. We're telling
the truth."
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http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0403/23a.html
In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one might
expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying with
Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw Bar" where the
motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim traveled to Calgary
last August to visit her college roommate and possibly escape the media
spotlight after she made allegations of sexual assault against the NBA
superstar.
"She really thrives on attention," said Robinson. "That's what motivated her
to do everything that night. She wanted to be in the spotlight: 'Look at me!
Talk to me!' If a guy was talking to a friend, [she'd say] 'Introduce me!
Who's that?'"
The three women go on to relate how things got out of hand at the bar that
night and the accuser exposed her breasts. "I told her if you want a free
drink, you have to flash the bartender," remembered Kylie, adding that the
alleged victim did just that. Kylie also said bartender rewarded her with
Mardi Gras-style beads for showing him her chest. "She just kept coming back
for beads that he would give her for flashing."
The women said that they were shocked at the alleged victim's behavior, and
immediately had questions about her story. "The way she acted, everything
she did. There wasn't a time I absolutely believed she was raped."
Natalie added, "If I were in her shoes -- and I'm not -- but if I were in
her shoes, I don't think I'd be out like that, at all."
After their encounter with the alleged victim at the bar, the three women
decided to contact Kobe Bryant's lawyers. They say they expect to be called
to testify when the case goes to trial.
"After we were all out with her, seeing the way she was acting, she didn't
care. Something wasn't right in all of our minds."
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is stating
exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we witnessed. We're telling
the truth."
This is good.
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On 23 Mar 2004 21:46:34 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0403/23a.html
In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one might
expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying with
Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw Bar" where the
motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim traveled to Calgary
last August to visit her college roommate and possibly escape the media
spotlight after she made allegations of sexual assault against the NBA
superstar.
"She really thrives on attention," said Robinson. "That's what motivated her
to do everything that night. She wanted to be in the spotlight: 'Look at me!
Talk to me!' If a guy was talking to a friend, [she'd say] 'Introduce me!
Who's that?'"
The three women go on to relate how things got out of hand at the bar that
night and the accuser exposed her breasts. "I told her if you want a free
drink, you have to flash the bartender," remembered Kylie, adding that the
alleged victim did just that. Kylie also said bartender rewarded her with
Mardi Gras-style beads for showing him her chest. "She just kept coming back
for beads that he would give her for flashing."
The women said that they were shocked at the alleged victim's behavior, and
immediately had questions about her story. "The way she acted, everything
she did. There wasn't a time I absolutely believed she was raped."
Natalie added, "If I were in her shoes -- and I'm not -- but if I were in
her shoes, I don't think I'd be out like that, at all."
After their encounter with the alleged victim at the bar, the three women
decided to contact Kobe Bryant's lawyers. They say they expect to be called
to testify when the case goes to trial.
"After we were all out with her, seeing the way she was acting, she didn't
care. Something wasn't right in all of our minds."
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is stating
exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we witnessed. We're telling
the truth."
Of course this will, again, draw screams of "it is irrelevant" from the
insecure.
Or Chas will start throwing "your mother" 3rd grade insults again.
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s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> scribbled:
http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0403/23a.html
In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one
might expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
what behavior does one expect from a rape victim?
as far as I know, Ive never met one..so I don't know what I'd expect.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying
with Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw
Bar" where the motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim
traveled to Calgary last August to visit her college roommate and
possibly escape the media spotlight after she made allegations of
sexual assault against the NBA superstar.
so basically, these "women" were just as wild in partying as they claim she
is..basically trying to tarnish her rep..but isn't that basically tarnishing
their own rep, making their word not seem credible?
"She really thrives on attention," said Robinson. "That's what
motivated her to do everything that night. She wanted to be in the
spotlight: 'Look at me! Talk to me!' If a guy was talking to a
friend, [she'd say] 'Introduce me! Who's that?'"
they know this after meeting her in Canada? Or are they saying they met up
with her in Canada, and were buds before hand?
The three women go on to relate how things got out of hand at the bar
that night and the accuser exposed her breasts. "I told her if you
want a free drink, you have to flash the bartender," remembered
Kylie, adding that the alleged victim did just that. Kylie also said
bartender rewarded her with Mardi Gras-style beads for showing him
her chest. "She just kept coming back for beads that he would give
her for flashing."
The women said that they were shocked at the alleged victim's
behavior, and immediately had questions about her story. "The way she
acted, everything she did. There wasn't a time I absolutely believed
she was raped."
this is nice to know. whats her opinion on quantom physics?
Natalie added, "If I were in her shoes -- and I'm not -- but if I
were in her shoes, I don't think I'd be out like that, at all."
emphasis on "think". she doens't know (nor does anyone who hasn't been
raped, or in all reality, guys) what she'd do in her shoes.
we'd all like to think we wouldn't do something like that, but who knows?
After their encounter with the alleged victim at the bar, the three
women decided to contact Kobe Bryant's lawyers. They say they expect
to be called to testify when the case goes to trial.
"After we were all out with her, seeing the way she was acting, she
didn't care. Something wasn't right in all of our minds."
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is
stating exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we
witnessed. We're telling the truth."
the truth through their eyes, which basically is an opinion, and stating
your opinion doesn't make it a fact...so basically this article was
pointless.
--
"if the women don't find you handsome, you haven't bought them enough
beer."
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http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0403/23a.html
In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one might
expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying with
Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw Bar" where
the
motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim traveled to Calgary
last August to visit her college roommate and possibly escape the media
spotlight after she made allegations of sexual assault against the NBA
superstar.
"She really thrives on attention," said Robinson. "That's what motivated
her
to do everything that night. She wanted to be in the spotlight: 'Look at
me!
Talk to me!' If a guy was talking to a friend, [she'd say] 'Introduce me!
Who's that?'"
The three women go on to relate how things got out of hand at the bar that
night and the accuser exposed her breasts. "I told her if you want a free
drink, you have to flash the bartender," remembered Kylie, adding that the
alleged victim did just that. Kylie also said bartender rewarded her with
Mardi Gras-style beads for showing him her chest. "She just kept coming
back
for beads that he would give her for flashing."
The women said that they were shocked at the alleged victim's behavior,
and
immediately had questions about her story. "The way she acted, everything
she did. There wasn't a time I absolutely believed she was raped."
Natalie added, "If I were in her shoes -- and I'm not -- but if I were in
her shoes, I don't think I'd be out like that, at all."
After their encounter with the alleged victim at the bar, the three women
decided to contact Kobe Bryant's lawyers. They say they expect to be
called
to testify when the case goes to trial.
"After we were all out with her, seeing the way she was acting, she didn't
care. Something wasn't right in all of our minds."
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is stating
exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we witnessed. We're
telling
the truth."
And they should speak up. Good for them. I admire them coming forward.
That's going to take a chunk out of their time and inconvenience them. I am
glad they have the courage to do it.
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s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> scribbled:
what behavior does one expect from a rape victim?
as far as I know, Ive never met one..so I don't know what I'd expect.
Well, for starters, they would feel wounded, ashamed, weak, not out
partying. They would be emotionally traumatized, thus not functioning
normally. Most rape victims would have trouble with intimacy, they wouldn't
be out exposing themselves having sex with numerous guys. She would be
having post traumatic stress which would make her depressed. If she's out
partying, that doesn't seem depressed. If she's traumatized, she'll have
effects from it.
so basically, these "women" were just as wild in partying as they claim
she
is..basically trying to tarnish her rep..but isn't that basically
tarnishing
their own rep, making their word not seem credible?
they know this after meeting her in Canada? Or are they saying they met up
with her in Canada, and were buds before hand?
this is nice to know. whats her opinion on quantom physics?
emphasis on "think". she doens't know (nor does anyone who hasn't been
raped, or in all reality, guys) what she'd do in her shoes.
we'd all like to think we wouldn't do something like that, but who knows?
the truth through their eyes, which basically is an opinion, and stating
your opinion doesn't make it a fact...so basically this article was
pointless.
--
"if the women don't find you handsome, you haven't bought them enough
beer."
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:21:33 -0800, "Dan" <me@server.net> wrote:
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> scribbled:
what behavior does one expect from a rape victim?
as far as I know, Ive never met one..so I don't know what I'd expect.
True rape victims don't go partying weeks after an allegedly horrible
encounter that left her suffering and losing sleep.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying
with Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw
Bar" where the motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim
traveled to Calgary last August to visit her college roommate and
possibly escape the media spotlight after she made allegations of
sexual assault against the NBA superstar.
so basically, these "women" were just as wild in partying as they claim she
is..basically trying to tarnish her rep..but isn't that basically tarnishing
their own rep, making their word not seem credible?
What kind of reasoning is this?
Are you saying that if people were in strip club, for an example, and
noticed something, or a crime happened and they saw it, they should not
come forward because they are not credible?
They were in a bar, others were there.
"She really thrives on attention," said Robinson. "That's what
motivated her to do everything that night. She wanted to be in the
spotlight: 'Look at me! Talk to me!' If a guy was talking to a
friend, [she'd say] 'Introduce me! Who's that?'"
they know this after meeting her in Canada? Or are they saying they met up
with her in Canada, and were buds before hand?
It is obvious that they met here, she introduced herself and possibly
ranted about the encounter, which is consistent to her going to a party
less than a week after the incident and discussing how "big" was Kobe in
public.
The three women go on to relate how things got out of hand at the bar
that night and the accuser exposed her breasts. "I told her if you
want a free drink, you have to flash the bartender," remembered
Kylie, adding that the alleged victim did just that. Kylie also said
bartender rewarded her with Mardi Gras-style beads for showing him
her chest. "She just kept coming back for beads that he would give
her for flashing."
this is nice to know. whats her opinion on quantom physics?
What exactly is "quantom"?
You're questioning THREE witness stories, where you there?
If yes, then tell us what happened.
Natalie added, "If I were in her shoes -- and I'm not -- but if I
were in her shoes, I don't think I'd be out like that, at all."
emphasis on "think". she doens't know (nor does anyone who hasn't been
raped, or in all reality, guys) what she'd do in her shoes.
we'd all like to think we wouldn't do something like that, but who knows?
After their encounter with the alleged victim at the bar, the three
women decided to contact Kobe Bryant's lawyers. They say they expect
to be called to testify when the case goes to trial.
"After we were all out with her, seeing the way she was acting, she
didn't care. Something wasn't right in all of our minds."
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is
stating exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we
witnessed. We're telling the truth."
the truth through their eyes, which basically is an opinion, and stating
your opinion doesn't make it a fact...
What facts?
She accused him, nobody could prove that a rape happened for fact.
Start from there and work your way up.
so basically this article was
pointless.
Not as pointless as your post.
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<bryguy58@charter.net> schreef in bericht
news:1061ugoksvim0ed@corp.supernews.com...
This is good.
Yes, and unlike in the Mike Tyson trial, the prosecutor doesn't get to
choose a female prosecutor who specialized in rape cases for a judge.
She would (and did) immediately throw out any stuff like this, that might
lend credence to the defense's theory.
Alex
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the
her
me!
back
and
called
telling
And they should speak up. Good for them. I admire them coming forward.
That's going to take a chunk out of their time and inconvenience them. I
am
glad they have the courage to do it.
Funny, they only thought to contact people who could reward them with either
money or attention.
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am
Funny, they only thought to contact people who could reward them with
either
money or attention.
I don't think they will get any money (no reason to get any) and it is a
closed court, no cameras as far as I know. I think they are doing the right
thing speaking up if someone is being accused of rape. If he didn't do it,
he does have a little baby that needs her daddy and it wouldn't be right to
convict someone who is innocent. I know, he shouldn't have cheated, true,
but honestly, I don't think he raped the girl. My intuition is usually
right on and we've been following Kobe since he was in high school. My gut
just says he's innocent. If he wasn't, I wouldn't go along with it. I used
to be a fan of Michael Jackson's, but I can't be because I honestly believe
he is guilty of wrong doing. If I thought Kobe was guilty for one moment,
I'd be talking him down too. I believe he is innocent. Whether these girls
motives are pure or what have you, the fact is, the accuser isn't acting
like she has been through any trauma and a rape victim would be. Just my
humble opinion.
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no@spam.email wrote:
On 23 Mar 2004 21:46:34 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com>
Of course this will, again, draw screams of "it is irrelevant" from
the insecure.
And likely from the judge.
--
Laurel T
The league has informed the Blazers
that Wallace and the team will be fined the next
time Wallace ignores his responsibilities
to speak to members of the media.
Wallace was unavailable to comment.
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In article <1061vsg5kuj356f@news.supernews.com>,
klm <nonospammer@com.com> wrote:
the
her
me!
back
and
called
telling
And they should speak up. Good for them. I admire them coming forward.
That's going to take a chunk out of their time and inconvenience them. I am
glad they have the courage to do it.
How much did they get from the Globe and "Celebrity Justice?"
Courage? Yeah, right.
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s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> scribbled:
what behavior does one expect from a rape victim?
as far as I know, Ive never met one..so I don't know what I'd expect.
I've met lots. The common denominator is that they are traumatized
and tend to be afraid of men and of sexual situations.
The three women related to "CJ" that they spent a wild night partying
with Kobe's accuser at a local Calgary hot spot called the "Outlaw
Bar" where the motto is "Where Being Bad Is Fun." The alleged victim
traveled to Calgary last August to visit her college roommate and
possibly escape the media spotlight after she made allegations of
sexual assault against the NBA superstar.
so basically, these "women" were just as wild in partying as they claim
she
is..
Yes...
basically trying to tarnish her rep..
No. They didn't say "she's a slut" -- they said "If I had been raped,
I wouldn't be behaving like that."
but isn't that basically tarnishing
their own rep, making their word not seem credible?
Nice try.
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am
Funny, they only thought to contact people who could reward them with
either
money or attention.
No -- that would have been the tabloids, not the attorneys for the defense.
Contacting the defense was EXACTLY the responsible thing to do.
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In article <1061vsg5kuj356f@news.supernews.com>,
klm <nonospammer@com.com> wrote:
How much did they get from the Globe and "Celebrity Justice?"
Courage? Yeah, right.
I don't know if they got anything. Do you know that they got paid and if
you know, please tell us the amount and the reference so we can read it too.
Thanks ahead of time.
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Dan wrote:
what behavior does one expect from a rape victim?
as far as I know, Ive never met one..so I don't know what I'd expect.
Fortunately, there are experts who have, and do.
so basically, these "women" were just as wild in partying as they claim she
is..basically trying to tarnish her rep..but isn't that basically tarnishing
their own rep, making their word not seem credible?
No, because THAT is not relevant, since they are not claiming to be
traumatized by what they saw. They are three "party girls" who have not
made a rape accusation witnessing the behavior of a "party girl" who has
claimed to have been raped.
emphasis on "think". she doens't know (nor does anyone who hasn't been
raped, or in all reality, guys) what she'd do in her shoes.
we'd all like to think we wouldn't do something like that, but who knows?
Experts on this subject may not be able to predict what every rape
victim will do, but they can certainly narrow it down to likely and
unlikely (typical and atypical) behaviors.
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is
stating exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we
witnessed. We're telling the truth."
the truth through their eyes, which basically is an opinion, and stating
your opinion doesn't make it a fact...so basically this article was
pointless.
In what way is "She flashed her tits" an opinion?
Even in the area of "opinion", if the jury finds them credible, their
opinions will matter.
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either
I don't think they will get any money (no reason to get any) and it is a
closed court, no cameras as far as I know. I think they are doing the
right
thing speaking up if someone is being accused of rape. If he didn't do
it,
he does have a little baby that needs her daddy and it wouldn't be right
to
convict someone who is innocent. I know, he shouldn't have cheated, true,
but honestly, I don't think he raped the girl. My intuition is usually
right on and we've been following Kobe since he was in high school. My
gut
just says he's innocent. If he wasn't, I wouldn't go along with it. I
used
to be a fan of Michael Jackson's, but I can't be because I honestly
believe
he is guilty of wrong doing. If I thought Kobe was guilty for one moment,
I'd be talking him down too. I believe he is innocent. Whether these
girls
motives are pure or what have you, the fact is, the accuser isn't acting
like she has been through any trauma and a rape victim would be. Just my
humble opinion.
You don't think Bryant's people and/or the media won't pay handsomely for
someone to seemingly impartial to come out on his side? That's pretty
naive.
Whether or not he is guilty of rape, he is guilty, by his own admission, of
not being able to keep his pants zipped when away from his wife for less
than a day. That makes him low rent scum. He is screwed if she ever
decides to divorce him.
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"explorer" <abcd@123.net> wrote in message
You don't think Bryant's people and/or the media won't pay handsomely for
someone to seemingly impartial to come out on his side? That's pretty
naive.
Nothing to do with being naive or not. It's whether it is allowed by law.
You can pay for expert testimony, but I don't believe you can pay for
character or in this case against the character witnesses. Paying for
anyone other than an expert witness puts that witness's credibility in
question. That's why it isn't done. It is also against the law to suborn a
witness.
Whether or not he is guilty of rape, he is guilty, by his own admission,
of
not being able to keep his pants zipped when away from his wife for less
than a day. That makes him low rent scum. He is screwed if she ever
decides to divorce him.
Cheating pretty much covers the deeds done by nearly every political
official, so Kobe is in good company. It isn't illegal to cheat, while it
may be immoral, it's not against the law. He admitted he cheated, but he
shouldn't be condemned for rape if he didn't do it. A court will decide and
then we'll have to accept what they decide. I honestly don't see how they
could convict him being that the accuser is such a mess in her personal
life. It makes her seem not to be a credible person, therefore, it is
highly doubtful about her truthfulness. If there is any doubt, you cannot
convict a person.
No matter if he gets off, this has tainted his reputation forever. He will
never leave it behind.
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On 23 Mar 2004 21:46:34 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one might
expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
All the defense needs to do is bring a beer to court and tell her to flash
for the beer and that should take care of the question about the morals of
the complaining party.
;-)
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On 23 Mar 2004 21:46:34 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> blurted:
http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0403/23a.html
In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy have revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada, and that the woman's behavior was not only not far from one might
expect of a rape victim, but also made them doubt her story.
I think the bigger issue of this story is the author's lack of command of the
English language and basic writing skills.
Here's what the writer just said:
"In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada. According to them, the woman's behavior was: 1) not far from one might
expect of a rape victim; 2) made them doubt her story."
Examine the phrase, "not far from one might expect". Notice the omission of the
word, "what" in between "from" and the "one". Also, notice the use of "not".
Taken literally, the writer is saying that KATELYN KRISTINE FABER's behaviour
in Canada in their presence was not different than a typical rape victim and it
made them doubt her story. The writer is saying that these women believe that
most rape accusers are not credible. heehee
Where's a good editor when you need one?
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:25:00 -0800, "klm" <nonospammer@com.com> blurted:
the
her
me!
back
and
called
telling
And they should speak up. Good for them. I admire them coming forward.
That's going to take a chunk out of their time and inconvenience them. I am
glad they have the courage to do it.
No, it's not good and ewe shouldn't be glad. Womenfolk should be seen and not
heard.
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On 23 Mar 2004 21:46:34 EST, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com>
blurted:
I think the bigger issue of this story is the author's lack of command of
the
English language and basic writing skills.
Here's what the writer just said:
"In an exclusive interview with "CJ," Kylie Robinson, Natalie Just and
Michelle Duffy revealed that they met Kobe's accuser in Calgary,
Canada. According to them, the woman's behavior was: 1) not far from one
might
expect of a rape victim; 2) made them doubt her story."
Examine the phrase, "not far from one might expect". Notice the omission
of the
word, "what" in between "from" and the "one". Also, notice the use of
"not".
Taken literally, the writer is saying that KATELYN KRISTINE FABER's
behaviour
in Canada in their presence was not different than a typical rape victim
and it
made them doubt her story. The writer is saying that these women believe
that
most rape accusers are not credible. heehee
Where's a good editor when you need one?
Not to worry -- they come out of the woodwork when they don't
like the point that someone's making. It's called a grammar flame,
and experienced usenetarians habitually ignore them.
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"explorer" <abcd@123.net> schreef in bericht
news:jOGdncmNK40zt_zd4p2dnA@centurytel.net...
You don't think Bryant's people and/or the media won't pay handsomely for
someone to seemingly impartial to come out on his side? That's pretty
naive.
You are so right. Next you're going to say they paid Katelyn to
act the way she did in that bar. They made her party!! They paid
her to flash. They paid her to lick that guy.
Right. Try another one.
Alex
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:37:35 +0100, "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOF@wanadoo.nl> blurted:
"explorer" <abcd@123.net> schreef in bericht
news:jOGdncmNK40zt_zd4p2dnA@centurytel.net...
They paid her to lick that guy.
Huh?
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In article <R788c.1507$Fo4.17089@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
either
No -- that would have been the tabloids, not the attorneys for the defense.
Contacting the defense was EXACTLY the responsible thing to do.
"http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0403/23a.html"
Are you slow, or just disingenuous?
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In article <10623m65b6vbr98@news.supernews.com>,
klm <nonospammer@com.com> wrote:
I don't know if they got anything. Do you know that they got paid and if
you know, please tell us the amount and the reference so we can read it too.
Thanks ahead of time.
If you can't read between the lines of "exclusive interview," I'm afraid
there's nothing I can say that's going to help you.
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In article <1062abmjedsgt8b@corp.supernews.com>,
Miguel <MickBarr@juno.com> wrote:
Dan wrote:
Fortunately, there are experts who have, and do.
No, because THAT is not relevant, since they are not claiming to be
traumatized by what they saw. They are three "party girls" who have not
made a rape accusation witnessing the behavior of a "party girl" who has
claimed to have been raped.
Experts on this subject may not be able to predict what every rape
victim will do, but they can certainly narrow it down to likely and
unlikely (typical and atypical) behaviors.
Kylie, Michelle and Natalie want to be clear, "All we're doing is
stating exactly what we saw, our feelings about it, what we
witnessed. We're telling the truth."
In what way is "She flashed her tits" an opinion?
Even in the area of "opinion", if the jury finds them credible, their
opinions will matter.
Juries tend to be skeptical of witnesses who have taken pictures that end up
in the Globe and who have given "exclusive interviews" to tabloid TV shows.
In other words, they're a little more discerning than some of the people
who post here.
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In article <1062bir1v1pm27d@news.supernews.com>,
klm <nonospammer@com.com> wrote:
"explorer" <abcd@123.net> wrote in message
Nothing to do with being naive or not. It's whether it is allowed by law.
You can pay for expert testimony, but I don't believe you can pay for
character or in this case against the character witnesses. Paying for
anyone other than an expert witness puts that witness's credibility in
question. That's why it isn't done. It is also against the law to suborn a
witness.
You can, however, if you're a bit short on ethics or morals (e.g., if you're
the kind of lawyer who can repeat the accuser's name over and over in open
court and then swear before God that it was an "accident"), point your
potential "witnesses" to big payoffs in tabloids and tabloid TV. This has
the added benefit of poisoning the jury pool, and who know? Enough of
that, and you may not even have to call them at the trial, thus getting
the effect you want without ever having the credibility of your witnesses
tested.
Not saying that's *necesarily* what happened, but yes, klm; you are either
naive or disingenuous.
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In article <406149a7$0$61841$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl>,
Alex <avdeelen.REMOF@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
"explorer" <abcd@123.net> schreef in bericht
news:jOGdncmNK40zt_zd4p2dnA@centurytel.net...
You are so right. Next you're going to say they paid Katelyn to
act the way she did in that bar. They made her party!! They paid
her to flash. They paid her to lick that guy.
Uh, he licked her, genius.
Right. Try another one.
Looks like you already did.
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tjab wrote:
In article <1062abmjedsgt8b@corp.supernews.com>,
Miguel <MickBarr@juno.com> wrote:
Juries tend to be skeptical of witnesses who have taken pictures that end up
in the Globe and who have given "exclusive interviews" to tabloid TV shows *in exchange for money*.
In other words, they're a little more discerning than some of the people
who post here.
Fixed it.
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tjab <tjab@wam.umd.edu> scribbled:
Juries tend to be skeptical of witnesses who have taken pictures that
end up in the Globe and who have given "exclusive interviews" to
tabloid TV shows. In other words, they're a little more discerning
than some of the people who post here.
in a nutshell, thats all I was saying.
--
"if the women don't find you handsome, you haven't bought them enough
beer."
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