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http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2170161,00.html
LOS ANGELES -- A judge who asked a rape victim to dinner after sentencing
her attacker to life in prison told a judicial oversight panel Monday he was
trying to offer the woman emotional support.
Superior Court Judge John D. Harris faces allegations of judicial misconduct
ranging from making inappropriate comments to appearing biased, according to
a report by the state Commission on Judicial Performance.
The report said Harris, who works at a South Gate courthouse, repeatedly
asked female attorneys to lunch, commented on the body of a female court
employee and failed to disqualify himself or disclose his relationship with
a deputy city attorney after setting him up on dates with three women.
Harris, 69, testified before a three-judge panel in the 9th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals building in Pasadena Monday.
Harris said he invited the victim, identified only as an entertainment
lawyer, into his chambers after her attacker had been found guilty and
sentenced.
Harris said he wanted to offer "support, compassion and strength" to the
woman, who had been raped in her home in 2000.
"I told her that she had gone through a horrible experience, and that I
sympathize with her," he said. "She mentioned she was half-Jewish. I said
I'm Jewish, would you like to come over for dinner with my wife?"
About 18 days later, the woman indicated she would be interested in having
dinner at his house with his wife, Harris testified. But he said his wife
was too ill to "entertain strangers," so he instead suggested lunch, an
invitation Harris said was made with his wife's approval.
Harris, a judicial officer since 1973, said the two agreed to meet for
dinner at a restaurant near the woman's home.
"I used the words, It's a date.'" Harris said. "But I was not suggesting
that this was a social date. I don't date other women. I've been married for
34 years."
The woman canceled the dinner arrangements, saying she was "uncomfortable"
with the plan, Harris testified.
He said after 11 weeks of sensitivity training he now realizes rape victims
"don't recover from trauma that easily."
"I see now how she might have misinterpreted it. She read into it as more
than an appointment," he said.
Harris also discussed an incident involving a 16-year-old girl who was
allegedly molested by her uncle beginning at age 6. Harris, who presided
over the uncle's trial, said he invited the girl into his chambers.
He said he also wanted to offer "support, compassion (and) strength" to the
girl.
When the girl told him he she had "lost the love of her grandparents," he
told her, "I could be your grandfather."
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http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2170161,00.html
LOS ANGELES -- A judge who asked a rape victim to dinner after sentencing
her attacker to life in prison told a judicial oversight panel Monday he
was
trying to offer the woman emotional support.
OK, this judge asks a woman to dinner WITH HIS WIFE, and now we see a
subject of judge asks rape victim for a date. OK. -Dave
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http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2170161,00.html
LOS ANGELES -- A judge who asked a rape victim to dinner after sentencing
her attacker to life in prison told a judicial oversight panel Monday he
was
trying to offer the woman emotional support.
Superior Court Judge John D. Harris faces allegations of judicial
misconduct
ranging from making inappropriate comments to appearing biased, according
to
a report by the state Commission on Judicial Performance.
The report said Harris, who works at a South Gate courthouse, repeatedly
asked female attorneys to lunch, commented on the body of a female court
employee and failed to disqualify himself or disclose his relationship
with
a deputy city attorney after setting him up on dates with three women.
Harris, 69, testified before a three-judge panel in the 9th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals building in Pasadena Monday.
Harris said he invited the victim, identified only as an entertainment
lawyer, into his chambers after her attacker had been found guilty and
sentenced.
Harris said he wanted to offer "support, compassion and strength" to the
woman, who had been raped in her home in 2000.
"I told her that she had gone through a horrible experience, and that I
sympathize with her," he said. "She mentioned she was half-Jewish. I said
I'm Jewish, would you like to come over for dinner with my wife?"
About 18 days later, the woman indicated she would be interested in having
dinner at his house with his wife, Harris testified. But he said his wife
was too ill to "entertain strangers," so he instead suggested lunch, an
invitation Harris said was made with his wife's approval.
Harris, a judicial officer since 1973, said the two agreed to meet for
dinner at a restaurant near the woman's home.
"I used the words, It's a date.'" Harris said. "But I was not suggesting
that this was a social date. I don't date other women. I've been married
for
34 years."
The woman canceled the dinner arrangements, saying she was "uncomfortable"
with the plan, Harris testified.
He said after 11 weeks of sensitivity training he now realizes rape
victims
"don't recover from trauma that easily."
"I see now how she might have misinterpreted it. She read into it as more
than an appointment," he said.
Harris also discussed an incident involving a 16-year-old girl who was
allegedly molested by her uncle beginning at age 6. Harris, who presided
over the uncle's trial, said he invited the girl into his chambers.
He said he also wanted to offer "support, compassion (and) strength" to
the
girl.
When the girl told him he she had "lost the love of her grandparents," he
told her, "I could be your grandfather."
Didn't this happen some time ago?
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The report said Harris, who works at a South Gate courthouse, repeatedly
asked female attorneys to lunch,
Oh, the humanity! ;-/
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In article <bjcuc.13976$Fo4.195815@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
Oh, the humanity! ;-/
Could be a problem if they have motions pending when he asks them.
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was
OK, this judge asks a woman to dinner WITH HIS WIFE, and now we see a
subject of judge asks rape victim for a date. OK. -Dave
Good catch! Ask someone to join you and your wife for dinner,
and they call it asking for a date???
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 03:23:56 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
Good catch! Ask someone to join you and your wife for dinner,
and they call it asking for a date???
That's about as good of a catch as when a batter watches a ball whiz
over his head and someone yells "good eye!"
AFAICS, the "date" part came from the invitation to join him for
lunch, after he said his wife was too ill to entertain strangers.
Such a thing may or may not be construed as a date, but it's
disingenuous to focus on the original invitation as what was being
called a date. It's clear from the article that the woman became
uncomfortable with the second invitation.
Laurie
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Good catch! Ask someone to join you and your wife for dinner,
and they call it asking for a date???
As I have said previously, I work in a 'predominantly' male job.
Those guys have become my best friends.
My husband is out of town this weekend and one of my male friends
called asking me to accompany him to a
barbecue a mutual friend was giving. It was NOT a date, even though
my husband wasn't there. It was one friend with another.
Asking someone to join you, 'whether or not your spouse were with
you', isn't always a 'date'. :)
Chocolic
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 12:28:08 -0400, s_knight8 wrote:
http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2170161,00.html
LOS ANGELES -- A judge who asked a rape victim to dinner after sentencing
her attacker to life in prison told a judicial oversight panel Monday he was
trying to offer the woman emotional support.
Naah, that's crap. He'd heard she was an easy
lay, and decided to do his best Sir Lancelot
impression by sending this other bloke to jail
in order to seal the deal.
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 03:23:56 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
That's about as good of a catch as when a batter watches a ball whiz
over his head and someone yells "good eye!"
AFAICS, the "date" part came from the invitation to join him for
lunch, after he said his wife was too ill to entertain strangers.
Such a thing may or may not be construed as a date, but it's
disingenuous to focus on the original invitation as what was being
called a date. It's clear from the article that the woman became
uncomfortable with the second invitation.
And that's what makes it a crime -- that the woman "became uncomfortable".
Got it. The academic feminist agenda -- all that matters is the "feelings"
of
the "victim". In fact, that's what defines a "victim" -- being a woman, and
*feeling* victimized.
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"Chocolic" <chatter448@hotmail.com> wrote:
As I have said previously, I work in a 'predominantly' male job.
Those guys have become my best friends.
My husband is out of town this weekend and one of my male friends
called asking me to accompany him to a
barbecue a mutual friend was giving. It was NOT a date, even though
my husband wasn't there. It was one friend with another.
Asking someone to join you, 'whether or not your spouse were with
you', isn't always a 'date'. :)
Chocolic
So did you @$#* him?
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"Chocolic" <chatter448@hotmail.com> wrote:
So did you @$#* him?
No, because then it would have been a date.
Chocolic
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:05:52 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
And that's what makes it a crime -- that the woman "became uncomfortable".
Got it. The academic feminist agenda -- all that matters is the "feelings"
of
the "victim". In fact, that's what defines a "victim" -- being a woman, and
*feeling* victimized.
I don't have anything to do with any feminist agenda, and I didn't say
anything like the above. I just corrected which event was construed as
a date.
As for as a "crime," I thought the issue is whether his actions were
inappropriate in his position as a judge. I have no idea whether they
are or not.
Laurie
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So did you @$#* him?
No, because then it would have been a date.
Chocolic
@$#* = date? Interesting. Most of my dates turned into @$#*s, but I've had
many @$#*s I wouldn't necessarily call dates. :) -Dave
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:19:40 -0400, "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
So did you @$#* him?
No, because then it would have been a date.
@$#* = date? Interesting. Most of my dates turned into @$#*s, but I've had
many @$#*s I wouldn't necessarily call dates. :) -Dave
That's because autoeroticism is not considered a date. :-)
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Chocolic wrote:
No, because then it would have been a date.
Chocolic
ROTFLMAO
yD
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:19:40 -0400, "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
So did you @$#* him?
No, because then it would have been a date.
That's because autoeroticism is not considered a date. :-)
--
It isn't? Wouldn't that be a cheap date?
Chocolic
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:05:52 GMT in talk.rape Michael Snyder
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message
<QDQuc.14364$Fo4.198049@typhoon.sonic.net>...
Such a thing may or may not be construed as a date, but it's
disingenuous to focus on the original invitation as what was being
called a date. It's clear from the article that the woman became
uncomfortable with the second invitation.
And that's what makes it a crime -- that the woman "became uncomfortable".
No one has suggested that it was a crime. That the woman "became
uncomfortable" was *his* testimony, not hers.
Got it. The academic feminist agenda -- all that matters is the
"feelings" of the "victim". In fact, that's what defines a "victim" --
being a woman, and *feeling* victimized.
In your determination to make up a point to fit your agenda, you miss the
real issue. The Judges alleged conduct undermines his impartiality.
--
Daran
We found another: 2
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:05:52 GMT in talk.rape Michael Snyder
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message
<QDQuc.14364$Fo4.198049@typhoon.sonic.net>...
Such a thing may or may not be construed as a date, but it's
disingenuous to focus on the original invitation as what was being
called a date. It's clear from the article that the woman became
uncomfortable with the second invitation.
No one has suggested that it was a crime. That the woman "became
uncomfortable" was *his* testimony, not hers.
In your determination to make up a point to fit your agenda, you miss the
real issue. The Judges alleged conduct undermines his impartiality.
Bzzzzttt... that may be the real issue to you, and it may be the real
issue to the panel, but it was not the real issue of the article.
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:41:08 GMT, "Chocolic" <chatter448@hotmail.com>
wrote:
That's because autoeroticism is not considered a date. :-)
It isn't? Wouldn't that be a cheap date?
Date with whom?
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/
Government's view of the economy can be summed up in a few short phrases:
* If it moves, tax it.
* If it keeps moving, regulate it.
* If it stops moving, subsidize it.
--Ronald Reagan
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http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2170161,00.html
LOS ANGELES -- A judge who asked a rape victim to dinner after sentencing
her attacker to life in prison told a judicial oversight panel Monday he was
trying to offer the woman emotional support.
Superior Court Judge John D. Harris faces allegations of judicial misconduct
ranging from making inappropriate comments to appearing biased, according to
a report by the state Commission on Judicial Performance.
The report said Harris, who works at a South Gate courthouse, repeatedly
asked female attorneys to lunch, commented on the body of a female court
employee and failed to disqualify himself or disclose his relationship with
a deputy city attorney after setting him up on dates with three women.
Harris, 69, testified before a three-judge panel in the 9th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals building in Pasadena Monday.
Harris said he invited the victim, identified only as an entertainment
lawyer, into his chambers after her attacker had been found guilty and
sentenced.
Harris said he wanted to offer "support, compassion and strength" to the
woman, who had been raped in her home in 2000.
"I told her that she had gone through a horrible experience, and that I
sympathize with her," he said. "She mentioned she was half-Jewish. I said
I'm Jewish, would you like to come over for dinner with my wife?"
About 18 days later, the woman indicated she would be interested in having
dinner at his house with his wife, Harris testified. But he said his wife
was too ill to "entertain strangers," so he instead suggested lunch, an
invitation Harris said was made with his wife's approval.
Harris, a judicial officer since 1973, said the two agreed to meet for
dinner at a restaurant near the woman's home.
"I used the words, It's a date.'" Harris said. "But I was not suggesting
that this was a social date. I don't date other women. I've been married for
34 years."
The woman canceled the dinner arrangements, saying she was "uncomfortable"
with the plan, Harris testified.
He said after 11 weeks of sensitivity training he now realizes rape victims
"don't recover from trauma that easily."
"I see now how she might have misinterpreted it. She read into it as more
than an appointment," he said.
Harris also discussed an incident involving a 16-year-old girl who was
allegedly molested by her uncle beginning at age 6. Harris, who presided
over the uncle's trial, said he invited the girl into his chambers.
He said he also wanted to offer "support, compassion (and) strength" to the
girl.
When the girl told him he she had "lost the love of her grandparents," he
told her, "I could be your grandfather."
Do you think the victim in this story is the girl (bouh houhou her
feelings are hurt !!!) or the guy who was sent to jail for life by a
biased judge (probably because he wanted to show the girl how strong
he is)
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:00:10 GMT in talk.rape Michael Snyder
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message
<_Xlvc.14628$Fo4.199873@typhoon.sonic.net>...
Bzzzzttt... that may be the real issue to you, and it may be the real
issue to the panel, but it was not the real issue of the article.
You see what you want to see, Michael. There was nothing in the article to
suggest that her feelings were any part of his alleged wrongdoing. That
point was raised by him in his defence.
--
Daran
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