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Selling / Holding Note on boat. Problem



ilv2sl@aol.comnospam (Ilv2sl)
8/23/2004 12:09:19 AM


If a person sells a boat, and holds a short term Note on the boat, for 80 % of
the sale price of the boat, what happens, if the new owner takes the boat to a
boat yard and has a lot of work done on it, then,boat owner fails to pay the
Note? He defaults.But when the Note holder goes to get the boat, it has an
outstanding yard bill of, say $10,000. The Yard will not release the boat, and
puts a lien on the boat. Now the owner can not sell the boat without paying the
Lein.
QUESTION: How can the Seller/Note holder prevent this from happening? I'm not
sure what to put in the Note/Sale Agreement to protect from this happening?
Any ideas? Thanks
 
 
"McGyver"
8/23/2004 10:13:13 AM




"Ilv2sl" <ilv2sl@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040822200919.12124.00003854@mb-m01.aol.com...

If a person sells a boat, and holds a short term Note on the boat,
for 80 % of
the sale price of the boat, what happens, if the new owner takes the
boat to a
boat yard and has a lot of work done on it, then,boat owner fails
to pay the
Note? He defaults.But when the Note holder goes to get the boat, it
has an
outstanding yard bill of, say $10,000. The Yard will not release the
boat, and
puts a lien on the boat. Now the owner can not sell the boat without
paying the
Lein.
QUESTION: How can the Seller/Note holder prevent this from
happening? I'm not
sure what to put in the Note/Sale Agreement to protect from this
happening?
Any ideas? Thanks
Lets back up a step. What difference does it make that you are
selling the boat? Suppose you don't sell the boat, but lend it to
your cousin instead. If the cousin takes it to the shop to get some
work done, and it ends up with a $10,000 possessory lien attached, are
you stuck with the lien and therefore the bill? I don't know about
boats. Are mechanics liens on boats the same as on cars? If you
don't know, that's your first area of research. It may be that
keeping title to the boat until it is paid for wouldn't do any good
regarding the lien. Sorry I can't answer, but you need to find out.
If you find out that boats are not like cars, and that it's possible
for the repair company to place a lien on the boat only if owner signs
something, then don't let your buyer be the owner. Lease the boat
with an option to buy, or use a conditional sales contract under which
title doesn't pass until final payment.
I can't tell you it's crazy to carry 80%, because maybe you can't find
a qualified buyer. But it would be crazy if you have a choice. What
happens if the buyer sells the boat to a chop shop (or whatever that's
called when referring to boats) and tells you it's stolen and doesn't
make any more payments. Who gets the insurance proceeds? It won't be
you unless you take steps now to make sure that it is you.
One less than likely option is to get the repair company to sign
something in advance that says they will look to the buyer for payment
and not you, and will not place a lien on the boat, and hereby waive
all lien rights. Then you give possession of the boat to the boat
company instead of to the buyer.
The best option is to keep the boat until you find a qualified buyer.
Meaning, one who qualifies for a bank loan, so that you get paid 100%
up front.
McGyver
 
 
curtisccr@sbcglobal.net (Curtis CCR)
8/23/2004 1:59:16 PM


ilv2sl@aol.comnospam (Ilv2sl) wrote in message news:<20040822200919.12124.00003854@mb-m01.aol.com>...
If a person sells a boat, and holds a short term Note on the boat, for 80 % of
the sale price of the boat, what happens, if the new owner takes the boat to a
boat yard and has a lot of work done on it, then,boat owner fails to pay the
Note? He defaults.But when the Note holder goes to get the boat, it has an
outstanding yard bill of, say $10,000. The Yard will not release the boat, and
puts a lien on the boat. Now the owner can not sell the boat without paying the
Lein.
QUESTION: How can the Seller/Note holder prevent this from happening? I'm not
sure what to put in the Note/Sale Agreement to protect from this happening?
Any ideas? Thanks
IANAL.
You mention taking the boat to a yard. Is this more than just a
trailer boat? More than "5 net tons"? (Some boats as small as 26 feet
can measure 5 net tons). If so - I would have the boat documented and
numbered with the Coast Guard as opposed to the state (we are talking
US here, right?). If it is documented you can hold a preferred ship
mortgage that (I am pretty sure) will at least make you first in line
if there is any default. I don't know where you fall in precedence to
a mechanics lien if all you have a state "pink slip".
Many finance companies that do boat loans will require Coast Guard
documentation on boats that are eligible because it offers them more
protection, especially outside the U.S.
You probably can't prevent it from happening. You just have to hope
it doesn't based on the character (ie creditworthiness) of the buyer.
You can't very well prevent him from having repairs made to the boat
if they are needed - in fact it is to your benefit if the boat is kept
in good repair.
I don't know that this is any different than the exposure a bank has
on a financed car. If an owner has work done on a car and then
doesn't pay for it, the mechanic can put a lien on it. Someone screws
you like that - your only recourse may be a legal collections process.
You may get a better answer from a lawyer here. You may also want to
ask on places like rec.boats. There are some present (or former) boat
brokers there that may know how this works from first hand experience.
 
 
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