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"She has the baby now and the baby comes first," Vanessa's stepgrandfather,
Robert Laine, who helped raise her, told the Daily News.
Steve Laine, who is locked in a bitter divorce battle with Vanessa's mother,
said he expects his stepdaughter to appear at a Sept. 22 alimony hearing in
Los Angeles - smack in the middle of Bryant's criminal trial.
"I'm 99.9% certain she won't be going to Colorado," said Laine, who has
become estranged from the Bryants since his 12-year marriage collapsed last
winter.
Whether Vanessa Bryant should face the TV cameras and the sexually charged
spectacle in Eagle isn't an easy decision, legal experts say.
That's because the presence of a wronged wife standing by her man could have
a profound reverse psychological effect on the jury.
"As presentable as she is, she may be too great a reminder that [Kobe]
starts out, in the best view, as being an adulterer," said Linda Fairstein,
former sex-crimes prosecutor for the Manhattan district attorney's office.
"It paints the big scarlet A on his chest."
"From a juror's perspective, you would want her at trial to show she
supports her husband and believes her husband," said Jason Bloom, a jury
consultant with the Dallas firm Courtroom Sciences. "The big message is that
despite the allegations made by the prosecution, she's behind him."
But others say her glaring absence during the pretrial hearings may mean
she's willing to take the Tammy Wynette road only so far and won't subject
herself to hearing testimony about her husband's sexcapades with another
woman.
"One thing we can't measure is whether she's simply decided it would be too
humiliating, too embarrassing," said Fairstein.
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In article <cgsvmm$pg@dispatch.concentric.net>, s_knight8
<s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/226980p-194843c.html
"She has the baby now and the baby comes first," Vanessa's stepgrandfather,
Robert Laine, who helped raise her, told the Daily News.
Just wondering, why are today's young black people almost _always_
raised by their grandmother (and sometimes grandfather,
stepgrandfather, etc.)?
--Tim May
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
That's because the presence of a wronged wife standing by her man could
have
a profound reverse psychological effect on the jury.
Loud brays of scornful laughter when he testifies might not go over well
either. He can't afford to have someone in the audience that is rolling her
eyes and giggling whilst they portray him as having a sterling character
incapable of the crime being judged.
But others say her glaring absence during the pretrial hearings may mean
she's willing to take the Tammy Wynette road only so far and won't subject
herself to hearing testimony about her husband's sexcapades with another
woman.
Particularly as it assumes that she accommodates his peculiar tastes,
whatever they might be. Maybe he ought to get her a pearl necklace next
time, instead of another ring.
Chas
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s_knight8 wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/226980p-194843c.html
"She has the baby now and the baby comes first," Vanessa's
stepgrandfather, Robert Laine, who helped raise her, told the Daily
News.
Steve Laine, who is locked in a bitter divorce battle with Vanessa's
mother, said he expects his stepdaughter to appear at a Sept. 22
alimony hearing in Los Angeles - smack in the middle of Bryant's
criminal trial.
The real deal is that Vanessa decided that she can't stand that little twerp
and wants a real man....so I've been doing her. Now that it is out I feel a
great deal of relief. Someone let Kobe know I do a great job caring for his
baby.
--
v/r Beau
I am Charles Beauchamp...and I approve of this message.
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s_knight8 wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/226980p-194843c.html
"She has the baby now and the baby comes first," Vanessa's
stepgrandfather, Robert Laine, who helped raise her, told
the Daily News.
Steve Laine, who is locked in a bitter divorce battle with
Vanessa's mother, said he expects his stepdaughter to
appear at a Sept. 22 alimony hearing in Los Angeles - smack
in the middle of Bryant's criminal trial.
"I'm 99.9% certain she won't be going to Colorado," said
Laine, who has become estranged from the Bryants since his
12-year marriage collapsed last winter.
Whether Vanessa Bryant should face the TV cameras and the
sexually charged spectacle in Eagle isn't an easy decision,
legal experts say.
That's because the presence of a wronged wife standing by
her man could have a profound reverse psychological effect
on the jury.
"As presentable as she is, she may be too great a reminder
that [Kobe] starts out, in the best view, as being an
adulterer," said Linda Fairstein, former sex-crimes
prosecutor for the Manhattan district attorney's office.
"It paints the big scarlet A on his chest."
"From a juror's perspective, you would want her at trial to
show she supports her husband and believes her husband,"
said Jason Bloom, a jury consultant with the Dallas firm
Courtroom Sciences. "The big message is that despite the
allegations made by the prosecution, she's behind him."
But others say her glaring absence during the pretrial
hearings may mean she's willing to take the Tammy Wynette
road only so far and won't subject herself to hearing
testimony about her husband's sexcapades with another woman.
"One thing we can't measure is whether she's simply decided
it would be too humiliating, too embarrassing," said
Fairstein.
Take a look at the elements of the crime of rape
against Kobe Bryant:
CRS 18-3-402. Sexual assault.
Statute text
(1) Any actor
<<<established for Kobe Bryant, he admits being at the place and time of the
crime>>>
who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration
<<<established for Kobe Bryant, he confessed it.>>>
on a victim commits sexual assault if:
(a) The actor causes submission of the victim by means of sufficient consequence
reasonably calculated to cause submission against the victim's will; or
<<<that's the one single element left to establish to convict Kobe Bryant of
rape in Colorado. Nothing there about the victim having to say "no",
or having to fight back, or having to sustain defensive injuries, or
not being allowed to have sex after the rape, or any of the other
non-sequiturs the rape apologists have been spouting.
Pure and simple, all the prosecution needs to prove is the above element,
everything else is already undisputedly established by Kobe himself.>>>
(b - e) ***
<<<these subsequent elements are merely needed to establish the range of
prison time for Kobe, and are not necessary to establish his guilt of rape>>>
(2) Sexual assault is a class 4 felony, except as provided in subsections (3),
(3.5), (4), and (5) of this section.
(3) ***
(3.5) ***
(4) Sexual assault is a class 3 felony if it is attended by any one or more of
the following circumstances:
(a) The actor causes submission of the victim through the actual application of
physical force or physical violence; or
(b) The actor causes submission of the victim by threat of imminent death,
serious bodily injury, extreme pain, or kidnapping, to be inflicted on anyone,
and the victim believes that the actor has the present ability to execute these
threats; or
(c) The actor causes submission of the victim by threatening to retaliate in the
future against the victim, or any other person, and the victim reasonably
believes that the actor will execute this threat. As used in this paragraph (c),
"to retaliate" includes threats of kidnapping, death, serious bodily injury, or
extreme pain; or
<<< a big black cock ripping her vagina to bloody shreds surely
caused extreme pain ? >>>
(d) ***
(5) (a) Sexual assault is a class 2 felony if any one or more of the following
circumstances exist:
(I) ***
(II) The victim suffers serious bodily injury; or
<<<a bloody, torn vagina?>>>
(III) ***
(b) (I) If a defendant is convicted of sexual assault pursuant to this
subsection (5), the court shall sentence the defendant in accordance with
section 18-1.3-401 (8) (e). A person convicted solely of sexual assault pursuant
to this subsection (5) shall not be sentenced under the crime of violence
provisions of section 18-1.3-406 (2). Any sentence for a conviction under this
subsection (5) shall be consecutive to any sentence for a conviction for a crime
of violence under section 18-1.3-406.
(II) ***
(6) Any person convicted of sexual assault committed on or after November 1,
1998, under any of the circumstances described in this section shall be
sentenced in accordance with the provisions of part 10 of article 1.3 of this
title.
<<< so there you have it, Kobe via his own confession has admitted to being at
the
time and place of the alleged crime, admits to the major element of the crime of
rape,
i.e, sexual intercourse with the victim, the evidence shows bodily injury,
and the singular element left to establish for conviction is simply Sec 1 (a)
above.
That's it. Nothing more.
All the other statutory elements are merely sentencing guidelines needed to
determine what
prison sentence Kobe will receive, they are not necessary elements of the
crime.>>>
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Tim May wrote:
In article <cgsvmm$pg@dispatch.concentric.net>, s_knight8
<s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just wondering, why are today's young black people almost
_always_ raised by their grandmother (and sometimes grandfather,
stepgrandfather, etc.)?
Any chimp can breed, it takes a responsible adult to raise a child.
--Tim May
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In article <6voYc.123$vf3.47131@news.uswest.net>
"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
Tim May wrote:
Any chimp can breed,
True, like your parents.
it takes a responsible adult to raise a child.
Said the moron who called Kobe a "nigger", and then flooded newsgroups
with tons of bull#@($ posts, after changing his nym.
At least do not pretend as if you know what a responsible adult is.
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"Sports Fan" <sports@fan.home> wrote
Said the moron who called Kobe a "nigger", and then flooded newsgroups
with tons of bull#@($ posts, after changing his nym.
You mean as contrasted with the disgusting names promulgated by his
supporters, and the flooding of the Web with denigratory posts about the
accuser?
Oh; Heaven forefend!
And, Vox is a chick; that should be 'her' nym.
Chas
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In article <1u6dnf7UIP59tK_cRVn-gQ@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Sports Fan" <sports@fan.home> wrote
You mean as contrasted with the disgusting names promulgated by his
supporters, and the flooding of the Web with denigratory posts about the
accuser?
Oh; Heaven forefend!
They call things as they see it.
They call a trashy person as a trash.
They call gold/attention seeking person as appropriate.
They call a liar as a liar.
They call a skank as a skank.
Only retards, racist, and feminists, and the so call, victim advocates
have a problem with calling things as seen.
And, Vox is a chick; that should be 'her' nym.
Who cares.
She is acting like a guy anyway.
Nothing indicates that the writer of such bull#@($ is an intelligent
form of life anyway.
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"Sports Fan" <sports@fan.home> wrote
You mean as contrasted with the disgusting names promulgated by his
supporters, and the flooding of the Web with denigratory posts about the
accuser?
Oh; Heaven forefend!
And, Vox is a chick; that should be 'her' nym.
Chas
Polite invitation to remove talk.rape from the NG header. You won't solve
the problem, but every little helps...
Thanks.
John James (JJ)
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In article <6voYc.123$vf3.47131@news.uswest.net>
"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
True, like your parents.
Said the moron who called Kobe a "nigger", and then flooded newsgroups
with tons of bull#@($ posts, after changing his nym.
At least do not pretend as if you know what a responsible adult is.
Polite invitation to remove talk.rape from the NG header. You won't solve
the problem, but every little helps...
Thanks.
John James (JJ)
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Tim May wrote:
Any chimp can breed, it takes a responsible adult to raise a child.
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John James wrote:
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<Follow-ups Set>
John James wrote:
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<The great thing about this is that he didn't spot the FU I set, so I can be
as rude as I like. No, @$#* it - I'll restore the heads this time just for a
laugh...>
"John James" <not@all.co.uk> wrote
Funny, being the Kobe miasma is about RAPE.
Don't let it become a habit, it's sloppy.
Let me guess - you're a Meerkan.
Sure it does- it's not an uncommon scenario for athletes to rape, nor
celebrities for that matter. They always try the nuts&sluts routine;
sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
No; Kobe's already made up with her.
Can I play you at poker?
So you don't think she was raped?
Perhaps you'd like to join the discussion about why you believe that?
I said the thread wasn't about rape. What part of that leads you to conclude
that I don't think 'she' was raped?
Who cares what some net-nanny Mrs. Grundy wannabe netcop thinks?
I have no idea. Nobody in talk.rape however wants this thread cross-posted
here. That begs the question why you and others want to do it, as it's easy
to simply remove us from the NG line. I'd have thought it was common
courtesy. YMMV. Or maybe you're just an ignorant bastard?
Who cares?
I give up. As I said, you're either an ignorant bastard or you're not. It's
a lifestyle choice.
I don't cross-post, and I don't trim headers.
Simple politeness.
Chas
Only if you're thick. Most people respond to polite requests if it doesn't
involve undue inconvenience. I'm sensing a pattern with you however.
John James (JJ)
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John James wrote:
<Follow-ups Set>
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"John James" <not@all.co.uk> wrote:
<The great thing about this is that he didn't spot the FU I set, so I
can be as rude as I like. No, @$#* it - I'll restore the heads this
time just for a laugh...>
Let me guess - you're a Meerkan.
Can I play you at poker?
I said the thread wasn't about rape. What part of that leads you to
conclude that I don't think 'she' was raped?
I have no idea. Nobody in talk.rape however wants this thread
cross-posted here. That begs the question why you and others want to
do it, as it's easy to simply remove us from the NG line. I'd have
thought it was common courtesy. YMMV. Or maybe you're just an ignorant
bastard?
I give up. As I said, you're either an ignorant bastard or you're not.
It's a lifestyle choice.
Only if you're thick. Most people respond to polite requests if it
doesn't involve undue inconvenience. I'm sensing a pattern with you
however.
John James (JJ)
Ask nicely and someone will tell you how to skip articles and threads
you aren't interested in. You say that one of these newsgroups has lots
of people who agree with you, and even though that doesn't appear to be
the case, maybe they'll pipe up and try to help. This is a polite
request, and if you respond with a polite refusal like that other guy's
reply to yours, I'll understand. I think he's now trying to piss you
off, since you made the mistake of showing how easy that is. Meanwhile,
it appears that no one is really all that worried about your problem and
that you've exacerbated it, so you might try a more efficacious
approach, i.e., stow the #@&@
ing. You're acting like an old granny.
By the way, I was wondering about something. You keep telling him what
"most people," etc. think. Do you have some secret way of knowing that,
or what?
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she's got one foot out the door..... with they other to soon follow......
she's outta there............
In article <6voYc.123$vf3.47131@news.uswest.net>
"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
True, like your parents.
Said the moron who called Kobe a "nigger", and then flooded newsgroups
with tons of bull#@($ posts, after changing his nym.
At least do not pretend as if you know what a responsible adult is.
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1u6dnf7UIP59tK_cRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
"Sports Fan" <sports@fan.home> wrote
You mean as contrasted with the disgusting names promulgated by his
supporters, and the flooding of the Web with denigratory posts about the
accuser?
Oh; Heaven forefend!
And, Vox is a chick; that should be 'her' nym.
I guess the two of you good citizens exchanged pleasantries at the last Klan
meeting?
Chas
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"Nexus" <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote
I guess the two of you good citizens exchanged pleasantries at the last
Klan
meeting?
Another bad guess in a long line of them- no surprise there.
Chas
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:37:28 -0400, "Nexus" <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1u6dnf7UIP59tK_cRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
I guess the two of you good citizens exchanged pleasantries at the last Klan
meeting?
ROFL.
Damn man, you owe me my Sprite bottle that spilled on my keyboard.
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From: "It's a Ford" <ford2k@COX.NET>
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups:
alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers,soc.men,alt.true-crime,misc.legal,talk.rap
e,alt.gossip.celebrities,rec.sport.football.college,la.general
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:09:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Vanessa won't go to Colorado with Kobe
she's got one foot out the door..... with they other to soon follow......
she's outta there............
oh, hell yes. you can bet she's plotting with her lawyers in secret as we
speak. that girl is gonna COLLECT.
the bride
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The Bride <sadeyedlady@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<BD6139D1.27614%sadeyedlady@earthlink.net>...
oh, hell yes. you can bet she's plotting with her lawyers in secret as we
speak. that girl is gonna COLLECT.
Good for her. My heart bleeds for Kobe. Uh-huh.
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