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I can't believe it took the world this long to figure out the whole
Kobe/Katelyn Faber angles. And now the prosecution is backpedaling:
"oh, we made mistakes, oh, we got some bad breaks, oh, the whole
process is so, so hard on the 'victim.'"
How about something like this: The alleged victim confabulated the
whole thing, and realized she was going to get caught in her lie. Or
how about something like this: The alleged victim had all the earmarks
of somebody with Borderline Personality Disorder and childhood sexual
abuse PTSD (suicidality, eating disorders, compulsive sexuality,
unstable memories around situations resembling the original trauma, a
compulsion to construct victim status... I won't go on) and that it
was all going to come out on the stand.
I know all about this kind of nightmare. It happened to me. I was
accused by a bpd, who went to all our friends, colleagues, etc, and
told everyone I was a batterer -- um, not even in the same hemisphere
as the truth -- and when she was asked to show some kind of support
for the proposition -- um, bruises, police reports,
hospitalization/physician reports (her doctor, a woman, didn't believe
I was a batterer, and raised the borderline angle unprompted), any
criminal record on my part (um, zero), prior restraining orders
(ditto), third party accounts and/or anecdotes (ditto), she withdrew,
demurred, said, "oh this has all been too traumatic, and I'm being
retraumatized... I, I can't go on. Poor me."
All fine and dandy. Except. Except that in making the false
allegations, damage has been done. Irrepairable damage. Incredible
mental trauma. Darkness that follows you for the rest of your life.
In my perfect universe, Katelyn Faber should now be facing criminal
charges. But that's not going to happen in these times. Post-feminist
rant left as an exercise to the reader.
My story's at http://www.thomasscoville.com/borderlands.htm It has
some uncanny similarities to Kobe's.
I hope to heaven that people learn from this. False accusation isn't
funny. It's the worst thing that can happen to a person. In this
society, it's especially bad when a man is falsely accused by a woman.
I've never met Kobe Bryant (go Lakers), but I definitely feel a bond
with him. I don't think hes a rapist -- an adulterer, yeah, and he was
definitely a dick for that. But not a rapist.
And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
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yeah.. I think we can all agree on one thing: the girl is a nutcase.
I can't believe it took the world this long to figure out the whole
Kobe/Katelyn Faber angles. And now the prosecution is backpedaling:
"oh, we made mistakes, oh, we got some bad breaks, oh, the whole
process is so, so hard on the 'victim.'"
How about something like this: The alleged victim confabulated the
whole thing, and realized she was going to get caught in her lie. Or
how about something like this: The alleged victim had all the earmarks
of somebody with Borderline Personality Disorder and childhood sexual
abuse PTSD (suicidality, eating disorders, compulsive sexuality,
unstable memories around situations resembling the original trauma, a
compulsion to construct victim status... I won't go on) and that it
was all going to come out on the stand.
I know all about this kind of nightmare. It happened to me. I was
accused by a bpd, who went to all our friends, colleagues, etc, and
told everyone I was a batterer -- um, not even in the same hemisphere
as the truth -- and when she was asked to show some kind of support
for the proposition -- um, bruises, police reports,
hospitalization/physician reports (her doctor, a woman, didn't believe
I was a batterer, and raised the borderline angle unprompted), any
criminal record on my part (um, zero), prior restraining orders
(ditto), third party accounts and/or anecdotes (ditto), she withdrew,
demurred, said, "oh this has all been too traumatic, and I'm being
retraumatized... I, I can't go on. Poor me."
All fine and dandy. Except. Except that in making the false
allegations, damage has been done. Irrepairable damage. Incredible
mental trauma. Darkness that follows you for the rest of your life.
In my perfect universe, Katelyn Faber should now be facing criminal
charges. But that's not going to happen in these times. Post-feminist
rant left as an exercise to the reader.
My story's at http://www.thomasscoville.com/borderlands.htm It has
some uncanny similarities to Kobe's.
I hope to heaven that people learn from this. False accusation isn't
funny. It's the worst thing that can happen to a person. In this
society, it's especially bad when a man is falsely accused by a woman.
I've never met Kobe Bryant (go Lakers), but I definitely feel a bond
with him. I don't think hes a rapist -- an adulterer, yeah, and he was
definitely a dick for that. But not a rapist.
And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
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better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville) wrote in
news:45199a03.0409011725.e71a050@posting.google.com:
I can't believe it took the world this long to figure out the whole
Kobe/Katelyn Faber angles. And now the prosecution is backpedaling:
"oh, we made mistakes, oh, we got some bad breaks, oh, the whole
process is so, so hard on the 'victim.'"
How about something like this: The alleged victim confabulated the
whole thing, and realized she was going to get caught in her lie. Or
how about something like this: The alleged victim had all the earmarks
of somebody with Borderline Personality Disorder and childhood sexual
abuse PTSD (suicidality, eating disorders, compulsive sexuality,
unstable memories around situations resembling the original trauma, a
compulsion to construct victim status... I won't go on) and that it
was all going to come out on the stand.
I know all about this kind of nightmare. It happened to me. I was
accused by a bpd, who went to all our friends, colleagues, etc, and
told everyone I was a batterer -- um, not even in the same hemisphere
as the truth -- and when she was asked to show some kind of support
for the proposition -- um, bruises, police reports,
hospitalization/physician reports (her doctor, a woman, didn't believe
I was a batterer, and raised the borderline angle unprompted), any
criminal record on my part (um, zero), prior restraining orders
(ditto), third party accounts and/or anecdotes (ditto), she withdrew,
demurred, said, "oh this has all been too traumatic, and I'm being
retraumatized... I, I can't go on. Poor me."
wow...this is exactly what happened to me. i realized after she started
spreading lies about me to our colleagues that she was fabricating
stories of abuse regarding all her failed relationships, but she didn't
stop. she's STILL not over the breakup, nearly a year later, and she's
still sending out threatening, harassing, and defamatory emails to our
colleagues (cc'ing me on them, of course, to let me know that she's
humiliating me). i finally had my lawyer send her a cease and desist
letter, citing the ohio code on extortion. anyway, it's remarkable to
hear about someone else going through this. yeah, i supported her
emotionally and financially every day for two years, and after i kicked
her out, she admitted to me that she had been telling people that i beat
her up because she was angry with me for breaking up (read:
abandoning/rejecting) with her.
All fine and dandy. Except. Except that in making the false
allegations, damage has been done. Irrepairable damage. Incredible
mental trauma. Darkness that follows you for the rest of your life.
yeah...it will be difficult to get more work at this client, if any of
the people who have heard the rumors have purchasing power. people will
assume that where there's smoke, there's fire.
In my perfect universe, Katelyn Faber should now be facing criminal
charges. But that's not going to happen in these times. Post-feminist
rant left as an exercise to the reader.
My story's at http://www.thomasscoville.com/borderlands.htm It has
some uncanny similarities to Kobe's.
I hope to heaven that people learn from this. False accusation isn't
funny. It's the worst thing that can happen to a person. In this
society, it's especially bad when a man is falsely accused by a woman.
I've never met Kobe Bryant (go Lakers), but I definitely feel a bond
with him. I don't think hes a rapist -- an adulterer, yeah, and he was
definitely a dick for that. But not a rapist.
And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
well, i'm interested in reading your story. i knew before dating psycho
that it wasn't a good idea to date someone who acted unstable, but i
thought that, since i'd come from an abusive childhood myself, and had
been able to "fix" myself and make a good life for myself, that i would
be good for her. now the loser is sending me letters telling me that her
*pets* never really liked me, but oh, they just love her new boyfriend.
my previous manager's ex-wife fabricated allegations of sexual abuse
against him regarding his young daughter. she was finally caught up in
her lie, but then she went and stole the new furniture he bought after
she moved out. c'est la vie, i guess.
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In article <45199a03.0409011725.e71a050@posting.google.com>,
better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville) says...
I know all about this kind of nightmare. It happened to me. I was
accused by a bpd, who went to all our friends, colleagues, etc, and
told everyone I was a batterer -- um, not even in the same hemisphere
as the truth -- and when she was asked to show some kind of support
for the proposition -- um, bruises, police reports,
hospitalization/physician reports (her doctor, a woman, didn't believe
I was a batterer, and raised the borderline angle unprompted), any
criminal record on my part (um, zero), prior restraining orders
(ditto), third party accounts and/or anecdotes (ditto), she withdrew,
demurred, said, "oh this has all been too traumatic, and I'm being
retraumatized... I, I can't go on. Poor me."
Scary, isn't it? The same thing happened to me when my first wife filed
for divorce. She went crazy with the vengeance thing, making every wild
accusation she could think of. And the local District Attorney ate it
up. It cost me several thousand dollars to defend myself against
charges that were complete fabrications.
All fine and dandy. Except. Except that in making the false
allegations, damage has been done. Irrepairable damage. Incredible
mental trauma. Darkness that follows you for the rest of your life.
Not forever. Just don't plead guilty to anything just to get them off
your back. They will threaten you with jail time unless you plead
guilty and go to counseling, but if you get a conviction on your record
it really will follow you for the rest of your life. Stand your ground,
go to trial and make them prove it. Chances are the same thing will
happen to you that happened to me. "Oh. Well then, never mind," and
they will drop the charges.
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On 1 Sep 2004 18:25:15 -0700, better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville)
wrote:
I can't believe it took the world this long to figure out the whole
Kobe/Katelyn Faber angles. And now the prosecution is backpedaling:
"oh, we made mistakes, oh, we got some bad breaks, oh, the whole
process is so, so hard on the 'victim.'"
You are making this up as you go along. Kobe admitted to rape in his
statement. He admitted it as long as there were no legal
ramifications to his admission. GUILTY!
--
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville) wrote in message news:<45199a03.0409011725.e71a050@posting.google.com>...
-snip-
And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
I'm too busy reading between the lines of his apology.
Mez
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And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
I'm too busy reading between the lines of his apology.
His apology is a way of saying "I can see why I was prosecuted" so that it
would hinder a false-arrest suit.
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote
His apology is a way of saying "I can see why I was prosecuted" so that it
would hinder a false-arrest suit.
Yup.
He has no recourse to the State or to her. If he counterclaims the civil
suit, she can introduce the statement.
Hope he brought his fountain pen.
Chas
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Messalina wrote:
better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville) wrote in message news:<45199a03.0409011725.e71a050@posting.google.com>...
-snip-
I'm too busy reading between the lines of his apology.
Me too -- but I wouldn't be surprised if what I read isn't
even vaguely similar to what you read.
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In article <ch8b4j$f0t$4@stan.redhat.com>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
Messalina wrote:
Me too -- but I wouldn't be surprised if what I read isn't
even vaguely similar to what you read.
I wouldn't either.
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message news:<oFKZc.8105$TG.6588@trndny01>...
And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
I'm too busy reading between the lines of his apology.
His apology is a way of saying "I can see why I was prosecuted" so that it
would hinder a false-arrest suit.
No. This was a pipedream put forth by Kobe well-wishers with a thin
understanding of the law. Unless the details of his initial contact
with the police as released are totally false this was never a
possibility.
Mez
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better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville) wrote in message news:<45199a03.0409011725.e71a050@posting.google.com>...
I can't believe it took the world this long to figure out the whole
Kobe/Katelyn Faber angles. And now the prosecution is backpedaling:
"oh, we made mistakes, oh, we got some bad breaks, oh, the whole
process is so, so hard on the 'victim.'"
How about something like this: The alleged victim confabulated the
whole thing, and realized she was going to get caught in her lie. Or
how about something like this: The alleged victim had all the earmarks
of somebody with Borderline Personality Disorder and childhood sexual
abuse PTSD (suicidality, eating disorders, compulsive sexuality,
unstable memories around situations resembling the original trauma, a
compulsion to construct victim status... I won't go on) and that it
was all going to come out on the stand.
I know all about this kind of nightmare. It happened to me. I was
accused by a bpd, who went to all our friends, colleagues, etc, and
told everyone I was a batterer -- um, not even in the same hemisphere
as the truth -- and when she was asked to show some kind of support
for the proposition -- um, bruises, police reports,
hospitalization/physician reports (her doctor, a woman, didn't believe
I was a batterer, and raised the borderline angle unprompted), any
criminal record on my part (um, zero), prior restraining orders
(ditto), third party accounts and/or anecdotes (ditto), she withdrew,
demurred, said, "oh this has all been too traumatic, and I'm being
retraumatized... I, I can't go on. Poor me."
All fine and dandy. Except. Except that in making the false
allegations, damage has been done. Irrepairable damage. Incredible
mental trauma. Darkness that follows you for the rest of your life.
In my perfect universe, Katelyn Faber should now be facing criminal
charges. But that's not going to happen in these times. Post-feminist
rant left as an exercise to the reader.
My story's at http://www.thomasscoville.com/borderlands.htm It has
some uncanny similarities to Kobe's.
I hope to heaven that people learn from this. False accusation isn't
funny. It's the worst thing that can happen to a person. In this
society, it's especially bad when a man is falsely accused by a woman.
I've never met Kobe Bryant (go Lakers), but I definitely feel a bond
with him. I don't think hes a rapist -- an adulterer, yeah, and he was
definitely a dick for that. But not a rapist.
And now -- I'm hoping -- the rest of the world can read between the
lines of the "victim's" withdrawal and come to the same conclusion.
-----
I know what you are talking about. Believe me, I do. Isn't it amazing
that people would take an accusation as gospel truth without any
evidence to back it up? Not even getting your side of the story, but
judging you with just-and only just the accusation? You really know
who your friends are in a situation like that.
My neighbors are incredibly stupid.
---->Hunter
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Batroc Z Leaper <hotfrog@teleport.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1ba0ce92fc6be87698b169@news.west.earthlink.net>...
In article <45199a03.0409011725.e71a050@posting.google.com>,
better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville) says...
Scary, isn't it? The same thing happened to me when my first wife filed
for divorce. She went crazy with the vengeance thing, making every wild
accusation she could think of. And the local District Attorney ate it
up. It cost me several thousand dollars to defend myself against
charges that were complete fabrications.
---
That is the strangest thing. The people who should know better, the
professional investigators like the Police and District Attorney can
be so easily led by the nose.
Not forever. Just don't plead guilty to anything just to get them off
your back. They will threaten you with jail time unless you plead
guilty and go to counseling, but if you get a conviction on your record
it really will follow you for the rest of your life. Stand your ground,
go to trial and make them prove it. Chances are the same thing will
happen to you that happened to me. "Oh. Well then, never mind," and
they will drop the charges.
---
Percisely what Kobe should had done. If his accuser goes through with
the civil suit Kobe better not settle or he will regret it!!!
---->Hunter
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ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote in message news:<tnfej0t0d236v4pu8hniksf344gaheu173@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2004 18:25:15 -0700, better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas Scoville)
wrote:
You are making this up as you go along. Kobe admitted to rape in his
statement. He admitted it as long as there were no legal
ramifications to his admission. GUILTY!
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Yeah, that is why the prosecution witheld Brady material that was
exculpitory from Kobe's lawyers.
What say you about her having sex so soon after the so-called rape?
----->Hunter
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On 3 Sep 2004 13:30:38 -0700, buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote:
ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote in message
news:<tnfej0t0d236v4pu8hniksf344gaheu173@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2004 18:25:15 -0700, better_yeti@yahoo.com (Thomas
Scoville)
wrote:
I can't believe it took the world this long to figure out the
whole
Kobe/Katelyn Faber angles. And now the prosecution is
backpedaling:
"oh, we made mistakes, oh, we got some bad breaks, oh, the whole
process is so, so hard on the 'victim.'"
You are making this up as you go along. Kobe admitted to rape in
his
statement. He admitted it as long as there were no legal
ramifications to his admission. GUILTY!
----
Yeah, that is why the prosecution witheld Brady material that was
exculpitory from Kobe's lawyers.
What say you about her having sex so soon after the so-called rape?
----->Hunter
Hunter, I say it's totally irrelevant since Kobe has now confessed to
rape.
--
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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In article <32f29bdf.0409031227.1b191a7d@posting.google.com>,
buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) says...
Scary, isn't it? The same thing happened to me when my first wife filed
for divorce. She went crazy with the vengeance thing, making every wild
accusation she could think of. And the local District Attorney ate it
up. It cost me several thousand dollars to defend myself against
charges that were complete fabrications.
---
That is the strangest thing. The people who should know better, the
professional investigators like the Police and District Attorney can
be so easily led by the nose.
Between VAWA (The Violence Against Women Act) and VAWA2, congress
appropriated $4.95 billion, dedicated specifically to be used against
men. The majority of that appears as various forms of legal harassment.
The typical DA has whole staff members funded to do nothing but
persecute men on the flimsiest complaint. The system is fed by "must
arrest" laws that mandate that any time a woman calls the police a man
has to be arrested.
Welcome to the glorious US domestic law system. For a man, it's a
little shop of horrors.
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In article <5bnhj0traugrjaupqcjqja8aqc34f4jaun@4ax.com>,
ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net (ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net) says...
Hunter, I say it's totally irrelevant since Kobe has now confessed to
rape.
What, the statement that he can see that in Katelyn's mind it was not
consensual? Sorry, but for there to be a rape there has to be some
element of coercion. He is not responsible for her mental state.
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In article <MPG.1ba2dc4b8d11cf2298b173@news.west.earthlink.net>,
hotfrog@teleport.com says...
In article <5bnhj0traugrjaupqcjqja8aqc34f4jaun@4ax.com>,
ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net (ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net) says...
What, the statement that he can see that in Katelyn's mind it was not
consensual? Sorry, but for there to be a rape there has to be some
element of coercion. He is not responsible for her mental state.
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:44:48 GMT, Sky KIng <laughing@home.net> wrote:
In article <MPG.1ba2dc4b8d11cf2298b173@news.west.earthlink.net>,
hotfrog@teleport.com says...
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ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote in message news:<27hrj05tegp3vnqcf258m8mdmnrkpoh69r@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:44:48 GMT, Sky KIng <laughing@home.net> wrote:
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rdubose@pdq.net (Ralph DuBose) wrote in message news:<cb5b2d4e.0409071337.6f63fb1c@posting.google.com>...
ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net wrote in message news:<27hrj05tegp3vnqcf258m8mdmnrkpoh69r@4ax.com>...
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In article <a07b18e4.0409072314.47300846@posting.google.com>,
geminii2@sbcglobal.net (geminii2) wrote:
Are you saying that he only made his statement to get his life
back and thus what he said wasn't true? All I know is that if it
wasn't true he should never have said such things.
He made a non admission of guilt. Basically he is apologizing that her
life was made hell because she is a nutcase.
What good is the
life he "got back" if it's based on a lie? Lies ruin every life
involved. Besides, taking the easy way out in this case merely
convinces much of the public that he is guilty. You call that a
"decision"? "Getting his life back"? I call it spineless.
He had the chance to plead guilty to simple assault, a misdemeanor and
NO JAIL TIME. He said no thank you, I will take my chance with a trial.
Yeah, he'll get to keep millions of dollars in endorsements,
and maybe that's all that matters to him. A lot of people care more
about the bottom line than incidentals like integrity.
Perhaps you are the type of person who is more comfortable with
making these kind of "concessions" than I. It's not that I am
especially noble, but for my part, if I knew myself to be innocent
then I would rather face jail time than be known as a rapist when I
wasn't. And yes, it's likely that I'd kill myself rather than do jail
time. But better to be dead than to be known forever as the guy who
bought his way out of a rape charge.
Well you are one dumb mofo then.
If he was innocent he should have been able to prove it in a
case against a well-known whore who invited herself to his room. He
should have fought her in court. Because some things are worth it -
like being able to face yourself in the mirror or have the respect of
your children. OTOH, if he was guilty, I expect he'd say anything to
save his skin...it's what liars are about.
He was ready to go to court to prove his innocence, he was smart enough
to take the chance to offer a NON APOLOGY and save the millions in legal
fees. Since millions of dollars means so little to you, feel free to
send me a couple of million dollars.
--
http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/
Bush%20%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3
"Conservatives love their country the way a four-year-old loves their
mommy. Everything Mommy does is good and anyone who criticizes Mommy is
bad." -- Al Franken
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In article <a07b18e4.0409072314.47300846@posting.google.com>, geminii2
@sbcglobal.net says...
rdubose@pdq.net (Ralph DuBose) wrote in message news:<cb5b2d4e.0409071337.6f63fb1c@posting.google.com>...
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If he [Kobe Bryant] was innocent he should have been able to prove
it in a case against a well-known whore who invited herself to his room.
Guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to Amerikka, comrade!
Yes, this is what America has become. People don't even see what is
wrong with this. They feel that Kobe should have to PROVE he didn't
rape her, even though there never was enough evidence to even bring
the case to trial. Wow. And I thought that the Soviet Union had
LOST the cold war. Looks like we've become just like them. The state
now just has to charge someone with a crime and they're guilty, unless
they can PROVE they are not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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If he [Kobe Bryant] was innocent he should have been able to prove
it in a case against a well-known whore who invited herself to his room.
Guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to Amerikka, comrade!
Yes, this is what America has become. People don't even see what is
wrong with this. They feel that Kobe should have to PROVE he didn't
rape her, even though there never was enough evidence to even bring
the case to trial. Wow. And I thought that the Soviet Union had
LOST the cold war. Looks like we've become just like them. The state
now just has to charge someone with a crime and they're guilty, unless
they can PROVE they are not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Most people understand the presumption of innocence and the concept that one
is not guilty of a crime until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a
court of law before a judge and jury.
I can't understand why usenet draws so many fools.
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If he [Kobe Bryant] was innocent he should have been able to prove
it in a case against a well-known whore who invited herself to his room.
Guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to Amerikka, comrade!
Yes, this is what America has become. People don't even see what is
wrong with this. They feel that Kobe should have to PROVE he didn't
rape her, even though there never was enough evidence to even bring
the case to trial. Wow. And I thought that the Soviet Union had
LOST the cold war. Looks like we've become just like them. The state
now just has to charge someone with a crime and they're guilty, unless
they can PROVE they are not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Nah -- only for rape.
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