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Accuser's former roommate hopes Kobe doesn't pay the accuser



"s_knight8"
9/1/2004 10:48:28 PM


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3154313,0
0.html
"I take full responsibility for all of the errors that have been made," said
Ruckriegle. "But the mistakes were made by people just like you, who are
sitting out there."
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to," said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt in
my mind."
 
 
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
9/1/2004 10:57:17 PM


In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3154313,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to," said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what happened.
 
 
"Don Tiberone"
9/1/2004 11:00:17 PM


tjab <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:ch626d$rgc@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3154313,
00.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what happened.
She isn't just any alleged friend. She lived at the accuser's house for
awhile.
--
"The Federal Reserve(Banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the
world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who
does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers."
- Congressman Louis McFadden
 
 
"Nexus"
9/1/2004 11:02:08 PM




"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
 
 
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
9/1/2004 11:48:07 PM


In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3154313,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to," said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
 
 
"brink"
9/1/2004 8:52:18 PM




"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_315431
3,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
 
 
"Nexus"
9/1/2004 11:58:00 PM




"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3154313,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
I think team Bryant got exactly what they wanted. All criminal charges
dropped with no possibility of a retrial.
Kobe admitted absolutely no wrongdoing and under the condition that nothing
in his statement could be used in civil lawsuit he acquiesced to the most
minimal of requests from the alleged victim and prosecution so the can try
and save some face.
 
 
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
9/2/2004 12:16:48 AM


In article <2pnk86Fmt86uU1@uni-berlin.de>, brink <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:ch655n$1qp@rac1.wam.umd.edu...

3,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
You're saying he lied, that he was afraid he might lose in court, or both?
 
 
Tim May
9/1/2004 9:54:40 PM


EAGLE, CO -- Kobe Bryant accuser REDACTED REDACTED said tonight she is
happy with the outcome and that her appearance in "Girls of the NBA" in
the December, 2004 issue of "Playboy" is her reward.
(rest of issue available to subscribers at www.bling-bling-hoes.com)
 
 
"greg brown"
9/2/2004 6:16:02 AM




"Nexus" <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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Kobe admitted absolutely no wrongdoing and under the condition that
nothing in his statement could be used in civil lawsuit he acquiesced to
the most minimal of requests from the alleged victim and prosecution so
the can try and save some face.
Altogether a very small price to pay to free himself from the uncertainties
and further stress of a criminal trial even though it was looking more and
more like a slam dunk for him.
Remember last year at this time? All the talk from the haters, some of them
still with us, about how Kobe would be going away for a long time? Perhaps
they, like Hurlbert, slightly overestimated the strength of the
prosecution's case. Or perhaps their underlying prejudices just kept them,
the Colorado sheriff, and D.A's office, from seeing the weaknesses of the
prosecution's case. We may never know...LOL!!!
I can understand why Kobe and his legal team were smiling when they left the
courtroom, they had good reason. This was nothing short of a BIG win for
Kobe.
Greg
 
 
"brink"
9/1/2004 11:50:00 PM




"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <2pnk86Fmt86uU1@uni-berlin.de>, brink <noemail@hotmail.com>
wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_31543
13,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have
to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of
doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting
that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it
was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
You're saying he lied, that he was afraid he might lose in court, or both?
not sure as to the first question but i suspect that no, he did not lie. i
actually think he was speaking close to the truth as to what he believes vs.
what the accuser believes. i'm sure he was also terrified--rightfully
so--of a trial. so it makes sense that he was "coerced" into making such a
statement--i wouldn't expect him to say something that revealing without
being pressured into it.
 
 
"Robert N. Lee"
9/2/2004 11:21:12 AM


tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in news:ch655n$1qp@rac1.wam.umd.edu:
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
It sounded completely canned. He's going to give her some money to make
this go away. So much for her thirst for justice.
--Robert
--
***
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arinaanna@yahoo.com (Nikita)
9/2/2004 5:52:35 AM


"Nexus" <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<kSwZc.20101$CG3.1356147@news20.bellglobal.com>...
"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:ch655n$1qp@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:ch626d$rgc@rac1.wam.umd.edu...

In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3154313,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
I think team Bryant got exactly what they wanted. All criminal charges
dropped with no possibility of a retrial.
Kobe admitted absolutely no wrongdoing and under the condition that nothing
in his statement could be used in civil lawsuit he acquiesced to the most
minimal of requests from the alleged victim and prosecution so the can try
and save some face.
I agree with the above statement. Total exoneration for Kobe. I
thought that prosecutor was going to throw himself on the ground and
have a major tantrum he was so upset. They could've done this weeks
ago but that is just my opinion. Does anyone think it's an accident
this "trial" was going to take place during the election campaign?
 
 
Sports Fan
9/2/2004 11:45:03 AM


On 1 Sep 2004 22:57:17 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what happened.
So you know the skank and can tell who is and who isn't her friend?
You're just pathetic.
 
 
messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina)
9/2/2004 4:33:43 PM


"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2pnk86Fmt86uU1@uni-berlin.de>...


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_315431
3,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
Where do you get coerced? If he was innocent I should think he would
have DEMANDED to go on with the trial. Look at the laughably bad job
the prosecutors were doing. He can't have been too worried about jail
time.
I think it all comes down to what he said on that police tape. Seems
like things started to change when the tape was ruled admissible.
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
Mez
 
 
Sports Fan
9/2/2004 4:42:58 PM


On 2 Sep 2004 16:33:43 -0700, messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
Where do you get coerced?
Brink should have said extortion.
If he was innocent I should think he would
have DEMANDED to go on with the trial. Look at the laughably bad job
the prosecutors were doing. He can't have been too worried about jail
time.
Do you have ANY guarantees that even innocent men do not go to jail or
do not get convicted?
Do you want to put your fate in the hands of 12 citizens who can be
prejudiced, biased or can their opinion be contaminated by false
presentation or technicalities?
If you think that innocent people don't get convicted then I suggest
that you head to the library and start reading.
I think it all comes down to what he said on that police tape.
Wrong.
That tape has things that Kobe said that can be used to present him as a
promiscuous person who likes kinky sex.
That may shift some juror's opinion about him.
Seems like things started to change when the tape was ruled admissible.
Actually things really change when the judge ruled that accuser's sexual
history in and around the time of the alleged incident is admissible,
and before that the DNA evidence fiasco.
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
He never admitted guilt.
Read his text that he released to the accuser.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/national/main636205.shtml
 
 
robbielynn10@yahoo.com (robbielynn)
9/2/2004 8:42:34 PM


"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2pnvnkFk0q6vU2@uni-berlin.de>...


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wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:ch626d$rgc@rac1.wam.umd.edu...

In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_31543
1
3,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have
to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of
doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting
that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it
was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
not sure as to the first question but i suspect that no, he did not lie. i
actually think he was speaking close to the truth as to what he believes vs.
what the accuser believes. i'm sure he was also terrified--rightfully
so--of a trial. so it makes sense that he was "coerced" into making such a
statement--i wouldn't expect him to say something that revealing without
being pressured into it.
That statement was artfully written by others and given to him for a courtesy
read and then he signed it. He wanted out of the trial as much as she did,,
this was just one piece of the closing agreement that will fianlly be reached.
So many things have changed since Lin Wood came aboard as her attorney.
 
 
"brink"
9/2/2004 10:24:13 PM




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In article <X1wZc.19809$CG3.1331316@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Nexus <nexus@attglobal.net> wrote:


"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ch61ls$93s@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_315431
3,0
0.html
And, in a scene reporters have witnessed since the woman filed the
claim,
the woman's Eagle friends were on hand to comment.
"I hope he doesn't end up giving her a lot of money. He may have
to,"
said
Lindsey McKinney, who was once a friend of the alleged victim.
McKinney questions whether an assault ever took place.
"I've always been very iffey about it," she said. "I had a lot of
doubt
in
my mind."
Friends? I see one alleged friend who says she doesn't know what
happened.
Wow...is that all you have left? LOL
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting
that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that it
was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
Where do you get coerced? If he was innocent I should think he would
have DEMANDED to go on with the trial.
i think that's much easier for you or i to say, after all, our freedom isn't
at stake. i think it's entirely plausible for him to be innocent of the
charges and yet want nothing to do with any sort of a trial where who knows
what might go down.
i also thought that the release of more information in a report by SI might
have helped speed along his willingness to come to some sort of agreement
with the accuser. who knows what kind of graphic details would be
forthcoming in the trial. now the details will likely not be widely
released due to confidentiality agreements. that sort of stuff would be
embarassing for him and would make it much more difficult to rehabilitate
his image where he could get back in the endorsement game.
Look at the laughably bad job
the prosecutors were doing. He can't have been too worried about jail
time.
guilty or not, i would be...
I think it all comes down to what he said on that police tape. Seems
like things started to change when the tape was ruled admissible.
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
*bingo*--exactly what i was referring to earlier in my response to you.
Mez
 
 
"brink"
9/2/2004 10:24:56 PM




"Sports Fan" <sports@fan.home> wrote in message
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On 2 Sep 2004 16:33:43 -0700, messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:
So what did you think of Bryant's apology?
i thought the wording was pretty remarkable--thaaat close to admitting
that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that
it was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
Where do you get coerced?
Brink should have said extortion.
well it works both ways. both sides had leverage and both sides apparently
are getting what they want to some degree.
Do you have ANY guarantees that even innocent men do not go to jail or
do not get convicted?
Do you want to put your fate in the hands of 12 citizens who can be
prejudiced, biased or can their opinion be contaminated by false
presentation or technicalities?
If you think that innocent people don't get convicted then I suggest
that you head to the library and start reading.
Wrong.
That tape has things that Kobe said that can be used to present him as a
promiscuous person who likes kinky sex.
That may shift some juror's opinion about him.
Actually things really change when the judge ruled that accuser's sexual
history in and around the time of the alleged incident is admissible,
and before that the DNA evidence fiasco.
He never admitted guilt.
Read his text that he released to the accuser.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/national/main636205.shtml
 
 
John Griffin
9/3/2004 11:36:00 AM


messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:


"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2pnk86Fmt86uU1@uni-berlin.de>...

Where do you get coerced? If he was innocent I should think he would
have DEMANDED to go on with the trial.
He did. Okay, I don't know that, but I do know that it wouldn't matter.
I heard somewhere that all the case files are on the internet, If that's
true, you can check and see if he filed a motion to deny the
prosecutor's motion for dismissal. If you see anything like that,
you'll probably see the judge's ruling, remanding him to the sanitation
department or whatever for a mandatory mental evaluation.
Anyway, anyone who can figure out which end of a basketball court he's
on is smart enough not to demand to be tried for rape, even if he had
secretly taped the slut begging for "rough sex."
Imagine what a trial would be like if the prosecutor is forced to
proceed without a real case, as here. Opening statement:"Jurors, your
guess is as good as mine who's telling the truth here. We can't prove he
did it, but she said he did." Opening argument: "The people rest."
Look at the laughably bad job
the prosecutors were doing. He can't have been too worried about jail
time.
I think it all comes down to what he said on that police tape. Seems
like things started to change when the tape was ruled admissible.
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
That's a mighty tortured line of reasoning. Equating the goofy idea
about demanding a new trial with "as much as admit guilt" is a serious
sign of airheadedness. Still, I can't believe you said he can't have
been too worried about jail time. He's surely aware of what the Simpson
trial showed about juries...you can get 12 of the dumbest people in
town, and anything can happen.
This is weird. A few years ago, there was a herd of cretins in
alt.fan.oj-simpson who made some astonishingly lame arguments claiming
to show that O.J. "The Real Killer" Simpson was innocent, and now we
have stuff like the above, trying to show that another commercial
athlete is guilty.
 
 
messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina)
9/3/2004 7:32:40 AM


Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message
-snip-
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
He never admitted guilt.
Read his text that he released to the accuser.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/national/main636205.shtml
"I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
consequences she has suffered in the past year. "
Funny how people keep glossing over this first sentence.
Mez
 
 
agakhan
9/3/2004 9:07:00 AM


On 3 Sep 2004 07:32:40 -0700, messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message
-snip-
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
"I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
consequences she has suffered in the past year. "
Funny how people keep glossing over this first sentence.
because the gap between "apologizing for behavior" and criminal
liability is infinite. funny how you choose to ignore this fact.
 
 
"brink"
9/3/2004 11:00:31 AM




"Messalina" <messalinana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message
-snip-
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
"I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
consequences she has suffered in the past year. "
like i posted elsewhere, it's close to but not quite a mea culpa. and don't
forget the coercion part of the equation.
Funny how people keep glossing over this first sentence.
i think it's fair to say he's admitting to more than just an "indiscretion"
with that sentence--however, it is not an admission of assault.
Mez
 
 
"Chas"
9/3/2004 12:16:47 PM


"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote
like i posted elsewhere, it's close to but not quite a mea culpa. and
don't
forget the coercion part of the equation.
They coerced him into accepting a dismissal?
"Up against the wall, Mr Bryant, or we'll have to let you go"
Yeaaaah; that's the ticket- they coerced him with threats of freedom.
Chas
 
 
"brink"
9/3/2004 2:11:28 PM




"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote
They coerced him into accepting a dismissal?
"Up against the wall, Mr Bryant, or we'll have to let you go"
Yeaaaah; that's the ticket- they coerced him with threats of freedom.
rather threats of his freedom being endangered, as in "give me that apology
or i'm going forward with this." at the very least, kobe would not be free
to be anywhere but sitting in a CO courtroom with the eyes of the world on
him for the next month or so. at the worst, he might later have been
rotting in prison for a decade or two.
you might not like the word "coerced," but the shoe fits. i believe it also
may fit the other way around, too, as in the kobe team coerced the accuser
into backing out of her end of the case with the threat of "quit or you'll
get no settlement and like it."
 
 
robbielynn10@yahoo.com (robbielynn)
9/3/2004 5:55:53 PM


messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote in message news:<f00c23df.0409021533.290ee5db@posting.google.com>...
"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2pnk86Fmt86uU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Where do you get coerced? If he was innocent I should think he would
have DEMANDED to go on with the trial. Look at the laughably bad job
the prosecutors were doing. He can't have been too worried about jail
time.
I think it all comes down to what he said on that police tape. Seems
like things started to change when the tape was ruled admissible.
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
Mez
Good hypothesis...will we ever get to hear that tape? The court let the
name and other details leak out about the accuser, now let's hear the tape.
 
 
Sports Fan
9/3/2004 6:55:31 PM


On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:24:56 -0700, "brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Sports Fan" <sports@fan.home> wrote in message
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that
he did assault her. it appears that it was coerced in the sense that
it was
required by the accuser for her to drop her end of the criminal case.
Where do you get coerced?
well it works both ways. both sides had leverage and both sides apparently
are getting what they want to some degree.
Problem is, the accuser used the authorities with a false accusation of
rape to win money and attention.
 
 
Sports Fan
9/3/2004 6:59:49 PM


On 3 Sep 2004 07:32:40 -0700, messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message
-snip-
Whatever it was probably wasn't enough to convict him, but cast him in
such a poor light that he preferred to as much as admit guilt rather
than have it made public.
"I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
consequences she has suffered in the past year. "
Funny how people keep glossing over this first sentence.
Funny how you consider that admission of guilt.
Apologizing for a behavior that someone considers bad is and admission
of guilt are 2 different things.
Learn how to read.
And then when you do, read this part:
"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, "
So are you saying that he is admitting guilt while insisting that the
encounter was consensual?
So where is the crime that he is admitting guilt of, if he insists that
there was no crime in the first place?
Funny how basic reading seems to be hard for some people.
 
 
Sports Fan
9/3/2004 7:02:30 PM


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:16:47 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"brink" <noemail@hotmail.com> wrote
They coerced him into accepting a dismissal?
"Up against the wall, Mr Bryant, or we'll have to let you go"
Yeaaaah; that's the ticket- they coerced him with threats of freedom.
You are an idiot and it is showing.
Bryant was given the option to go to trial, gamble with a jury that
could believe the wrong person (ask your dad, and he will tell you that
juries are unpredictable), or charges dropped after a carefully composed
apology letter.
That is coercing him, or extortion to be accurate.
 
 
Jason Sperry
9/4/2004 2:49:28 PM


On 2 Sep 2004 16:33:43 -0700, Messalina wrote:
Where do you get coerced? If he was innocent I should think he would
have DEMANDED to go on with the trial. Look at the laughably bad job
the prosecutors were doing. He can't have been too worried about jail
time.
When you get an opportunity to avoid putting your life in the hands of 12
strangers by issuing a paragraph statement without the possibility of it
being used against you you take it and run away with it.
 
 
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