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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1872740
The statement, Bryant's attorneys Pamela Mackey and Hal Haddon told ESPN's
Jim Gray, was a condition of the woman withdrawing her testimony.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray. "The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his freedom.
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
The statement, Bryant's attorneys Pamela Mackey and Hal Haddon told ESPN's
Jim Gray, was a condition of the woman withdrawing her testimony.
So there was an agreement for her to withdraw her testimony if he made a
public apology and gesture of respect for her?
How very kind of her.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray.
So he apologized for something he didn't do?
"The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his freedom.
Because if she testified, he was going to lose it?
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
Chas
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
So there was an agreement for her to withdraw her testimony if he made a
public apology and gesture of respect for her?
How very kind of her.
So he apologized for something he didn't do?
If a fake apology will get the case dropped, why not?
"The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his freedom.
Because if she testified, he was going to lose it?
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
Well apparently, Kobe still isn't willing to give her a nickel.
--
"The Federal Reserve(Banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the
world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who
does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers."
- Congressman Louis McFadden
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
If a fake apology will get the case dropped, why not?
Oh yeah; sorry- I forgot that he does that pretty easily from all
appearances.
Well apparently, Kobe still isn't willing to give her a nickel.
heh.
Chas
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
Oh yeah; sorry- I forgot that he does that pretty easily from all
appearances.
heh.
lol...Chas...I see you're still posting from your neighborhood tavern.
heh...remember if you can, it can take it one brain cell at a time.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
So there was an agreement for her to withdraw her testimony if he made a
public apology and gesture of respect for her?
How very kind of her.
So he apologized for something he didn't do?
Because if she testified, he was going to lose it?
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
Not too long ago you were sure she was going to win the criminal case. Now
there is no criminal case. Doesn't say much about your credibility.
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Because if she testified, he was going to lose it?
If Katelin and the prosecution thought they had anything close to a winnable
case they would have continued the trial instead of pursuing dismissal AFTER
their request for an indefinite continuance was denied a few weeks ago. If
Katelin and the prosecution had been negotiating from a position of strength
we would have seen Kobe plead guilty to some lesser offense. The statement
was the only thing Kobe has given into so far. Obviously the defense was
holding nearly all of the winning cards.
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
The civil case is worth something but I'm hoping it resolves for little more
than nuisance value. I don't see any way Kobe will find it necessary to pay
her any exhorbitant amounts to settle the case. From what I've been hearing
recentely about the jury pool, she's will still face an uphill battle in
Superior Court.
Happy for Kobe that the criminal case ended up the way it should have, with
the prosecution running with it's tail tucked between it's legs.
Pam Mackey rules!!!
Greg
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Don Tiberone wrote:
If a fake apology will get the case dropped, why not?
So Kobe will lie if/when his freedom is at stake in a criminal
matter?
Yep, that's what we've been claiming all along, Kobe is not
only a criminal adulterer, but a profligate liar.
"The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for
his freedom.
Because if she testified, he was going to lose it?
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent
and now he is free."
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
Well apparently, Kobe still isn't willing to give her a
nickel.
Care to place any bets as to whether or not Kobe the criminal adulterer
and liar Bryant gives her *lots* of nickels or not?
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Offshore Eddie wrote:
Not too long ago you were sure she was going to win the
criminal case. Now there is no criminal case. Doesn't say
much about your credibility.
Can't win an event that gets cancelled, now can ya?
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greg brown wrote:
If Katelin and the prosecution thought they had anything
close to a winnable case they would have continued the
trial instead of pursuing dismissal AFTER their request for
an indefinite continuance was denied a few weeks ago. If
Katelin and the prosecution had been negotiating from a
position of strength we would have seen Kobe plead guilty
to some lesser offense. The statement was the only thing
Kobe has given into so far. Obviously the defense was
holding nearly all of the winning cards.
So why didn't Kobe refuse the statement?
Being he had all the winning cards.
The civil case is worth something but I'm hoping it
resolves for little more than nuisance value.
So, hold your breath.
I don't see any way Kobe will find it necessary to pay her any
exhorbitant amounts to settle the case. From what I've been
hearing recentely about the jury pool, she's will still
face an uphill battle in Superior Court.
And you do know what the standard is for civil cases, eh?
Think OJ Simpson.
Happy for Kobe that the criminal case ended up the way it
should have, with the prosecution running with it's tail
tucked between it's legs.
And there will be those happy when you mother or sister gets
raped, and no one beleives them.
Pam Mackey rules!!!
So go rape her.
Greg
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1872740
The statement, Bryant's attorneys Pamela Mackey and Hal Haddon told ESPN's
Jim Gray, was a condition of the woman withdrawing her testimony.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray. "The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his
freedom.
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
Simple, well thought out extortion--that statement will now be used to
leverage their position during the civil suit.
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The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
Chas
Yes, the vultures have feasted well. Now the accusing spider wishes to eat.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1872740
The statement, Bryant's attorneys Pamela Mackey and Hal Haddon told ESPN's
Jim Gray, was a condition of the woman withdrawing her testimony.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray. "The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his
freedom.
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
Now, for all the rest of you "innocent" men accused of rape, do not EVER
make the statement Kobe made, as it is a public admission that atleast part
of what the accuser said is indeed true, and makes said accuser indeed look
like a victim.
If you're innocent of the charges, fight it. If they can't prove you did
it, don't settle, and don't concede anything, not even a handshake.
Now, Kobe runs the risk of some stalker-type seeing his statement, believing
it is an admission of guilt, and acting on their own ideas of punishment.
Be warned, people who get off on a criminal charge do sometimes wind up
injured or killed. And they don't even have to be celebrities. If you're
innocent, you owe it to yourself, and to others, to fight it, and not
buckle.
**Kobe**
I do not in any way intend that as a personal message. Just saying people
who settle or by any other way dismiss their case always run the possible
risk of people considering them as guilty even years later. It's a risk I
wouldn't take in your shoes.
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In article <KlIZc.7065$Of3.2978@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com says...
freedom.
Now, for all the rest of you "innocent" men accused of rape, do not EVER
make the statement Kobe made, as it is a public admission that atleast part
of what the accuser said is indeed true, and makes said accuser indeed look
like a victim.
I didn't see it that way...all he said is perhaps she saw it differently
than he did.
If you're innocent of the charges, fight it. If they can't prove you did
it, don't settle, and don't concede anything, not even a handshake.
Well...many a man has pled guilty because the alternative might mean
life if convicted and sometimes its difficult to prove your innocence
even though you are....Proof of this is the fact that innocent men have
been found guilty.
Now, Kobe runs the risk of some stalker-type seeing his statement, believing
it is an admission of guilt, and acting on their own ideas of punishment.
Well..I think anyone that deranged would not need THIS reason.
Be warned, people who get off on a criminal charge do sometimes wind up
injured or killed. And they don't even have to be celebrities. If you're
innocent, you owe it to yourself, and to others, to fight it, and not
buckle.
See above..every case is different.
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In article <uLGZc.148$cV5.27681@news.uswest.net>, so@damocl.es says...
Offshore Eddie wrote:
Can't win an event that gets cancelled, now can ya?
Gotta cancel if ONE of the participants does not intend to show up.
She forfeits. Too bad..so sad.
chuckle
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greg brown wrote:
So why didn't Kobe refuse the statement?
Being he had all the winning cards.
I didn't say he held all the winning cards, just nearly all. Otherwise we
would have seen Kobe plead guilty to some lesser crime. The letter was a
very small price to pay.
And you do know what the standard is for civil cases, eh?
Think OJ Simpson.
Yes I do.
Happy for Kobe that the criminal case ended up the way it
should have, with the prosecution running with it's tail
tucked between it's legs.
And there will be those happy when you mother or sister gets
raped, and no one beleives them.
LOL!
So go rape her.
LOL!
Greg
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"Offshore Eddie" <eddie@nospam.com> wrote
Not too long ago you were sure she was going to win the criminal case.
Now
there is no criminal case. Doesn't say much about your credibility.
heh.
Cases are resolved through a lot of different means- and $20,000,000 allows
one to explore a lot of them.
You'll notice his apology, you'll notice the DA's statement and her lawyer's
statement; he was caught and going down the tube if no accommodation was
found.
Chas
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:10:18 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Offshore Eddie" <eddie@nospam.com> wrote
heh.
Cases are resolved through a lot of different means- and $20,000,000 allows
one to explore a lot of them.
You'll notice his apology, you'll notice the DA's statement and her lawyer's
statement; he was caught and going down the tube if no accommodation was
found.
holy christ, chas, ridiculous to the end. lol, thanks for the good
times, now get back to that crevice from whence you came.
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In article <MPG.1ba26f37ee215eca989b8b@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>,
Sky KIng <laughing@home.net> wrote:
In article <KlIZc.7065$Of3.2978@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com says...
I didn't see it that way...all he said is perhaps she saw it differently
than he did.
No, *you* said "perhaps." Don't lie on the man.
"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that
she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing
discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand
how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:49:57 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
So there was an agreement for her to withdraw her testimony if he made a
public apology and gesture of respect for her?
How very kind of her.
Which means that she lied and she was looking for a way out of this with
less humiliation.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray.
So he apologized for something he didn't do?
Surprise, sometimes you have no choice, especially with an inquisition
style prosecution and retarded feminists like you who could be on that
jury.
"The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his freedom.
Because if she testified, he was going to lose it?
No.
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
hahahahahaha
$40M later.......
Remember, He who laughs last, laughs best.
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:57:00 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Yep, that's what we've been claiming all along,
Who's we?
The retarded feminists, women who hate men, living off prozac and
Thorazine?
Yeah, you said that, but unfortunately no one is listening to you
idiots, which means your likes do not count and nobody, even women have
respect for such morons like you.
Kobe is not only a criminal adulterer, but a profligate liar.
As opposed to the accuser who never told a lie, right?
How about the lie of being assaulted and raped, now withdrawing it?
How about the lie that she never slept with anyone within 15 hours that
were between the alleged assault and the swabs taken from her vagina and
body?
How about the BIGGEST lie, that she wasn't accusing Kobe for the money,
she only wanted justice?
How about her own lies about not considering writing a book?
How about her own lies accusing someone of raping while she acknowledged
that she never said no?
How about her own lies accusing someone of raping while she admitted
that he stopped when she asked him to?
How about her lies claiming that she was very upset and crying when she
left the hotel room while her own colleagues at work testified under
oath that she never was upset and wrapped up her work like every night
before going home?
The list is growing and every minute another lie by the accuser was
exposed.
She wanted to have a less humiliating exit out of the criminal case,
since it was obvious that she had no case, and will attempt to take her
extortion scam to civil court where the burden of proof is much less.
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:12:15 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Offshore Eddie wrote:
Can't win an event that gets cancelled, now can ya?
Cancelled by whom?
Your own teen idol skank withdrew from the case, moron.
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Not too long ago you were sure she was going to win the
criminal case. Now there is no criminal case. Doesn't say
much about your credibility.
Cancelled by whom?
Your own teen idol skank withdrew from the case, moron.
Usually, when a criminal case is brought to court, the accuser has NO power
to cancel it. He/She might withdraw but the case goes forward. Think of the
cases of spousal abuse when the woman changes her mind and doesn't want to
press charges. Sorry. Too late.
What you need to realize is that the ATTORNEYS are the ones who decided the
fate of this case. The ATTORNEYS advised their clients what to say and how
to say it to end the mess as easily as possible with neither side having to
admit anything. It's done every day in every court in the land.
Otter
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:34:43 -0600, otter <otter@oceanside.com> wrote:
Not too long ago you were sure she was going to win the
criminal case. Now there is no criminal case. Doesn't say
much about your credibility.
Can't win an event that gets cancelled, now can ya?
Cancelled by whom?
Your own teen idol skank withdrew from the case, moron.
Usually, when a criminal case is brought to court, the accuser has NO power
to cancel it. He/She might withdraw but the case goes forward. Think of the
cases of spousal abuse when the woman changes her mind and doesn't want to
press charges. Sorry. Too late.
But when your star witness refuses to testify, especially when the
defense already has you beaten legally, you need to drop the case.
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:50:22 -0700, Sports Fan <sports@fan.home>
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:34:43 -0600, otter <otter@oceanside.com> wrote:
Not too long ago you were sure she was going to win the
criminal case. Now there is no criminal case. Doesn't say
much about your credibility.
Can't win an event that gets cancelled, now can ya?
Cancelled by whom?
Your own teen idol skank withdrew from the case, moron.
But when your star witness refuses to testify, especially when the
defense already has you beaten legally, you need to drop the case.
It happens all the time.
In a criminal case the parties are the State and the Accused. The
"victim" is not a party, just a witness.
BUT, when the witness says "I'm not testifying" what are you going to
do? Lock her up? THAT'LL make her like you a whole lot. And the
judge is NOT going to wait around for her to change her mind. He'll
toss the case or issue an order for directed verdict.
Either way, the victim/witness can torpedo your case real quick.
You dismiss it and move on.
In Hurlbert's case, he moves on to private practice since he's going
to lose his re-election race.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ch64vl$941@dispatch.concentric.net>...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1872740
The statement, Bryant's attorneys Pamela Mackey and Hal Haddon told ESPN's
Jim Gray, was a condition of the woman withdrawing her testimony.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray. "The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his freedom.
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
Goddam #@&@
. This forced "apology" will make it easier for her in
the civil suit. It's all about money.
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<v5rej01e5803seqn7lvvulddo2hdu085ai@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:49:57 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
Which means that she lied and she was looking for a way out of this with
less humiliation.
"Kobe was facing life in prison for a crime he did not commit," they told
Gray.
Surprise, sometimes you have no choice, especially with an inquisition
style prosecution and retarded feminists like you who could be on that
jury.
"The accuser insisted on that statement as the price for his freedom.
No.
The statement doesn't change the facts: Kobe is innocent and now he is
free."
Remember, He who laughs last, laughs best.
Hmm, she's got the apology. She's undoubtedly going to get a settlement.
Off hand I'd say the score is as follows:
accuser: win
defense attorneys: win
prosecutors: lose
Kobe Bryant: lose
Mez
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"Exhibitionist" <piddle@unine.com> schreef in bericht
news:ov8fj0dngun0vqos075ps0hkj0tiljbk91@4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:50:22 -0700, Sports Fan <sports@fan.home>
wrote:
It happens all the time.
In a criminal case the parties are the State and the Accused. The
"victim" is not a party, just a witness.
A hostile witness in a trial of her own making??
Without her, they have no hope at all.
The case should never have been brought. The DA should
have read the sheriff the riot act for going behind his back,
and get the charges dropped until he had reviews all the
evidence or was ready to pursue the case.
They weren't ready. This case was simply too big for Eagle,
right from the beginning.
Alex
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On 2 Sep 2004 19:11:18 -0700, messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<v5rej01e5803seqn7lvvulddo2hdu085ai@4ax.com>...
Hmm, she's got the apology. She's undoubtedly going to get a settlement.
Off hand I'd say the score is as follows:
accuser: win
defense attorneys: win
prosecutors: lose
Kobe Bryant: lose
Apology cannot be used against Kobe in the civil trial.
Try reading the text.
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Sports Fan wrote:
Apology cannot be used against Kobe in the civil trial.
Try reading the text.
A completely useless caveat, since I doubt it would be possible to
find a juror who hasn't read it on the evening news or ESPN.
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Now, Kobe runs the risk of some stalker-type seeing his statement,
believing
it is an admission of guilt, and acting on their own ideas of
punishment.
Well..I think anyone that deranged would not need THIS reason.
So why help them by giving them a reason?
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In article <J8ZZc.27452$w_4.2979138@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com says...
Now, Kobe runs the risk of some stalker-type seeing his statement,
believing
it is an admission of guilt, and acting on their own ideas of
punishment.
So why help them by giving them a reason?
No one gave them a reason. Has she been harmed by anyone?
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In article <tttfj09pe06dp3i9felhmcejf4g70feqgq@4ax.com>, sports@fan.home
says...
On 2 Sep 2004 19:11:18 -0700, messalinana@yahoo.com (Messalina) wrote:
Apology cannot be used against Kobe in the civil trial.
Try reading the text.
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tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message news:<ch7peu$d9@rac3.wam.umd.edu>...
In article <MPG.1ba26f37ee215eca989b8b@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>,
Sky KIng <laughing@home.net> wrote:
No, *you* said "perhaps." Don't lie on the man.
Not lying at all..he said she saw it differently than he did. That is
not an admission of anything.
"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that
YEAH NOW...but it was never clear before.
she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing
discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand
how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."
She FEELS that she did not consent to this encounter...does not mean
she DIDN'T
consent. Its just her feeling. Kobe walked and its killing some
here.
chuckle
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In article <ov8fj0dngun0vqos075ps0hkj0tiljbk91@4ax.com>,
piddle@unine.com says...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:50:22 -0700, Sports Fan <sports@fan.home>
wrote:
It happens all the time.
In a criminal case the parties are the State and the Accused. The
"victim" is not a party, just a witness.
BUT, when the witness says "I'm not testifying" what are you going to
do?
Lock her up?
Why not...they do it to material witnesses all the time.
THAT'LL make her like you a whole lot.
Their job is not to get her to like them.
And the
judge is NOT going to wait around for her to change her mind. He'll
toss the case or issue an order for directed verdict.
Either way, the victim/witness can torpedo your case real quick.
You dismiss it and move on.
In Hurlbert's case, he moves on to private practice since he's going
to lose his re-election race.
Possibly.
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In article <NfSdnSGb2LKD_6rcRVn-oQ@comcast.com>,
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net says...
"Offshore Eddie" <eddie@nospam.com> wrote
heh.
Cases are resolved through a lot of different means- and $20,000,000 allows
one to explore a lot of them.
You'll notice his apology, you'll notice the DA's statement and her lawyer's
statement; he was caught and going down the tube if no accommodation was
found.
Chas
Bull#@($...their case was lost when the Judge let in that 72 hour window
of her sex life and it took another big hit when she filed the civil
suit before the criminal trial started...she LOST and lost big time.
He threw her a bone with that statement..nothing more. Where did you
get your 20,000,000 figure? Wishful thinking perhaps? Oh..and I heard
he will keep all of his endorsements too while she will be hard pressed
to get any man to come near her for fear of a FRA.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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