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Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy said he agreed with the alleged victim
"100 percent" after hearing all the details about why she made her
decision not to go forward with the criminal case. Hoy wouldn't say
exactly why he agrees with the alleged victim because, he said, her
reasons are personal.
Hoy said Thursday if he had to do it again he would not change a
thing. He said he's very proud of his detectives and insisted they did
a great job.
"If I didn't think it was a valid case, we wouldn't have gone
forward," Hoy said.
Hoy was adamant that the young woman is a victim and should not be
described as an "accuser" or anything else.
Wednesday evening, after Ruckriegle granted Hurlbert's motion to
dismiss the case, Hoy said Bryant was free to go but not free of what
he did.
"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
He said Bryant's claim that this has been difficult for him is
difficult to believe.
"During this, Bryant has signed a multimillion-dollar contract, got
his own team and his own coach," Hoy said. "He may have lost some
endorsements, but he'll get more back in a few years."
Hoy said the criminal case may be over, but justice has not been done.
"It would have been good to see it go through. But under the
circumstances, it was the right thing," he said
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s_knight8 wrote:
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040902/NEWS/109020024
Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy said he agreed with the alleged victim
"100 percent" after hearing all the details about why she made her
decision not to go forward with the criminal case. Hoy wouldn't say
exactly why he agrees with the alleged victim because, he said, her
reasons are personal.
Hoy said Thursday if he had to do it again he would not change a
thing. He said he's very proud of his detectives and insisted they did
a great job.
THIS is the #@&@
who needs to be sued, along with his entire department.
"If I didn't think it was a valid case, we wouldn't have gone
forward," Hoy said.
Hoy was adamant that the young woman is a victim and should not be
described as an "accuser" or anything else.
Wednesday evening, after Ruckriegle granted Hurlbert's motion to
dismiss the case, Hoy said Bryant was free to go but not free of what
he did.
"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
He said Bryant's claim that this has been difficult for him is
difficult to believe.
"During this, Bryant has signed a multimillion-dollar contract, got
his own team and his own coach," Hoy said. "He may have lost some
endorsements, but he'll get more back in a few years."
Hoy said the criminal case may be over, but justice has not been done.
"It would have been good to see it go through. But under the
circumstances, it was the right thing," he said
Since you couldn't prove #@($. Better to just try and have it both
ways by not going to court but continue slandering the guy with how
airtight your case supposedly was.
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"Miguel M" <PoetUNoet@iwon.com> wrote
THIS is the #@&@
who needs to be sued, along with his entire department.
By whom?
Kobe can't sue. His statement would be excluded from her civil case, but not
from any other- like suing the Sheriff.
A counterclaim, from the Sheriff, could convict him of the crime (for all
intents and purposes) and there wouldn't be any excluding of the
inadmissible evidence from the criminal trial.
Nah; Kobe got spanked, and it ain't over yet.
Since you couldn't prove #@($. Better to just try and have it both ways
by not going to court but continue slandering the guy with how airtight
your case supposedly was.
The civil trial awaits, for those who really want to learn the truth- even
after he admitted, confessed and apologized.
Chas
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"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
Except women like Kate Faber, who INTEND TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM...
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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" Sheriff pleased no women will go to Kobe's room anymore "
Then he hasn't been paying attention to all the girls that were
giving Kobe the eye on his way to court.
Alex
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
Except women like Kate Faber, who INTEND TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM...
And backed out when she found out what he's actually like- the 'bad
behaviour' he admits and is apologetic for.
Maybe he thought she's go for the same stuff as his wife does- maybe the
threesome with the bodyguard, who knows?
He's just lucky she is afraid of his fans and got intimidated about speaking
against him except in civil court, for millions.
Hell, with that kind of money, she can afford bodyguards too.
Chas
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote
Nah; Kobe got spanked, and it ain't over yet.
Chas
The case was dismissed. That's hardly getting "spanked." Kobe won. Won
his freedom.
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"E-Man" <eric_herrera@comcast.net> wrote
The case was dismissed. That's hardly getting "spanked." Kobe won. Won
his freedom.
Won the freedom to give an abject, humiliating apology, and acknowledgement
that she was being honest.
Free to write the check in the civil case or have her tell it to the world.
Chas
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"E-Man" <eric_herrera@comcast.net> wrote
Won the freedom to give an abject, humiliating apology, and
acknowledgement
that she was being honest.
Free to write the check in the civil case or have her tell it to the
world.
Chas
Since when is an apology humiliating? It just shows good manners. And his
acknowledgement was simply that he understands that she believes what she
does. That doesn't mean that she's right. Hell, a lot of people think Bush
is a good president. I understand that they believe that. Doesn't make
them right. Chas, just admit that the prosecution had a flakey witness, no
evidence, and a generally weak case. You'll feel much better once you just
let go. You poor tortured soul.
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E-Man wrote:
acknowledgement
world.
Since when is an apology humiliating? It just shows good manners. And his
acknowledgement was simply that he understands that she believes what she
does.
People keep ignoring that the beginning of the statement was him
apologizing for his actions that night. His understanding her beliefs
is different.
That doesn't mean that she's right. Hell, a lot of people think Bush
is a good president. I understand that they believe that. Doesn't make
them right. Chas, just admit that the prosecution had a flakey witness, no
evidence, and a generally weak case. You'll feel much better once you just
let go. You poor tortured soul.
I love how people here like to act like they have access to all evidence.
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"Jason Bowen" <no@spam.net> wrote
I love how people here like to act like they have access to all evidence.
A strong case would have gone forward. This one was dismissed. There is
your evidence.
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Wednesday evening, after Ruckriegle granted Hurlbert's motion to
dismiss the case, Hoy said Bryant was free to go but not free of what
he did.
"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
Hopefully, Kobe will never again be inclined to allow women into his hotel
room with the intention of having consensual sex, at least whil he is
married.
He said Bryant's claim that this has been difficult for him is
difficult to believe.
"During this, Bryant has signed a multimillion-dollar contract, got
his own team and his own coach," Hoy said. "He may have lost some
endorsements, but he'll get more back in a few years."
Yeah, Kobe has done well despite the trumped up charges and negative
publicity. Hoy is obviously disappointed, and that makes me happy.
Hoy said the criminal case may be over, but justice has not been done.
Until Hoy and his racist department is shut down justice will never have
been done.
Greg
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E-Man wrote:
"Jason Bowen" <no@spam.net> wrote
A strong case would have gone forward. This one was dismissed. There is
your evidence.
Cases get dismissed because of evidence, it doesn't mean that act in
question didn't happen. You didn't want to discuss the difference
between apologizing for actions and the difference in accepting a belief?
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E-Man wrote:
Cases get dismissed because of evidence, it doesn't mean that act in
question didn't happen. You didn't want to discuss the difference
between apologizing for actions and the difference in accepting a belief?
I guess it's just not as important to me as it is to you.
Apologizing for actions: Good manners
Accepting a belief: Faber is nuts
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E-Man wrote:
I guess it's just not as important to me as it is to you.
Apologizing for actions: Good manners
Accepting a belief: Faber is nuts
I think a big difference here is that I'm not inclined to believe either
party more than the other and you seem to be.
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E-Man wrote:
I think a big difference here is that I'm not inclined to believe either
party more than the other and you seem to be.
I believe that Faber went to Kobe's room.
I believe that they had sex.
I believe that the lower court judge told the prosecution that they had a
weak case.
I believe that Faber filed a civil case which is a means to get money from
Kobe.
I believe that Faber refused to testify in the criminal case.
I believe that the criminal case was dismissed with prejudice.
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
And backed out when she found out what he's actually like- the 'bad
behaviour' he admits and is apologetic for.
Well, maybe the other women who go to his room intending to have sex
with him will back out too -- or maybe not. But they'll be there, have no
doubt.
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
Well, maybe the other women who go to his room intending to have sex
with him will back out too -- or maybe not. But they'll be there, have no
doubt.
Sure.
Women are women and sheep are dumb-
Got it.
Chas
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"E-Man" <eric_herrera@comcast.net> wrote
I believe that Faber went to Kobe's room.
I believe that they had sex.
I believe that the lower court judge told the prosecution that they had a
weak case.
I believe that Faber filed a civil case which is a means to get money from
Kobe.
I believe that Faber refused to testify in the criminal case.
I believe that the criminal case was dismissed with prejudice.
I believe his apology.
Chas
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in article 0sednYBY0I9DOqXcRVn-rw@comcast.com, Chas at
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net wrote on 9/3/04 10:20 AM:
"E-Man" <eric_herrera@comcast.net> wrote
Won the freedom to give an abject, humiliating apology, and acknowledgement
that she was being honest. Free to write the check in the civil case or have
her tell it to the world.
Yea! From now on let's forget prison sentences and fines and just make all
criminal write out a one page "abject, humiliating apology." What a
deterrent that would be. And what a way to reduce the deficit, no more
prison just stacks paper. Imagine the specter of a convict being dragged
screaming down a hallway at the end of which is a stack of paper in a
solitary room with a single lamp swinging above it. "No, please no, not an
apology letter! When you said I was going to get reamed I did expect
*this*!"
George Evans
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Chas wrote:
"Miguel M" <PoetUNoet@iwon.com> wrote
By whom?
Kobe can't sue. His statement would be excluded from her civil case, but not
from any other- like suing the Sheriff.
So what about his statement? What should that matter, against racist
t-shirts, circumnavigating the DA's authority in order to make the
arrest, and a history that includes monetary settlements for racial
profiling?
A counterclaim, from the Sheriff, could convict him of the crime (for all
intents and purposes) and there wouldn't be any excluding of the
inadmissible evidence from the criminal trial.
In the end, that's not what one the day for Kobe. Admit what you will.
It doesn't stack up.
Nah; Kobe got spanked, and it ain't over yet.
LOL! Spanked? How do you rationalize that one?
Since you couldn't prove #@($. Better to just try and have it both ways
by not going to court but continue slandering the guy with how airtight
your case supposedly was.
The civil trial awaits, for those who really want to learn the truth- even
after he admitted, confessed and apologized.
Confessed? Nope. Admitted? That she hasn't been paid a red cent.
Apologized? Yes, essentially, for committing adultery.
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Jason Bowen wrote:
E-Man wrote:
People keep ignoring that the beginning of the statement was him
apologizing for his actions that night.
Adultery.
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Chas wrote:
"E-Man" <eric_herrera@comcast.net> wrote
I believe his apology.
.... was clearly linked as a condition for his freedom, and both
parties confirm that no money has exchanged hands. An empty apology is
pretty cheap if you were "actually" raped.
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Chas wrote:
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
"Everyone now knows what he did, what kind of man he is, and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
And backed out when she found out what he's actually like- the 'bad
behaviour' he admits and is apologetic for.
Adultery.
Maybe he thought she's go for the same stuff as his wife does- maybe the
threesome with the bodyguard, who knows?
Wouldn't be that. Fubar made absolutely sure that no bodyguard would
interrupt them. That was established.
He's just lucky she is afraid of his fans and got intimidated about speaking
against him except in civil court, for millions.
Yeah, survive 14 months of it and then bail out because you can't stand
two more weeks. That's very rich. She doesn't want to be
cross-examined. Plain and simple. At this very moment, she probably
believes that she won't have to be cross-examined in the civil suit, either.
Hell, with that kind of money, she can afford bodyguards too.
How about bodyguards for the bodyguards. You're not going to leave
those poor suckers alone with her, are you?
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On 3 Sep 2004 07:08:07 -0700, s_knight8@hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote:
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"and women
will know not to go back to his room with him alone," Hoy said.
That has to be the most ignorant statement of the year. At least
until Sheriff 'Barney Fife' Hoy opens his mouth again.
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In article <10ji5a4bngo1qac@corp.supernews.com>,
Miguel M <PoetUNoet@iwon.com> wrote:
Chas wrote:
Adultery.
Wouldn't be that. Fubar made absolutely sure that no bodyguard would
interrupt them. That was established.
Yeah, survive 14 months of it and then bail out because you can't stand
two more weeks. That's very rich. She doesn't want to be
cross-examined. Plain and simple. At this very moment, she probably
believes that she won't have to be cross-examined in the civil suit, either.
How about bodyguards for the bodyguards. You're not going to leave
those poor suckers alone with her, are you?
Faber. Kate Faber. NOT FUBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/
Bush%20%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we," President george bush (AKA president dumb dumb)
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Since you couldn't prove #@($.
Doesn't mean he didn't do it.
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I guess it's just not as important to me as it is to you.
Should anyone assume that you doubt he's guilty because you just wanna
see Kobe back on the basketball court doing this thing and not be
distracted by anything as annoying as someone calling him on his
actions? Whether or not he raped someone, he still committed
adultery. He's another jerkoff with no self control.
Apologizing for actions: Good manners
Accepting a belief: Faber is nuts
Good manners? More like 'counseled, rehearsed, reading something that
someone else probably wrote' b.s.
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Since you couldn't prove #@($.
Doesn't mean he didn't do it.
But if you can't prove #@($ (which you can't), the presumption is that he's
innocent.
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I guess it's just not as important to me as it is to you.
Should anyone assume that you doubt he's guilty because you just wanna
see Kobe back on the basketball court doing this thing and not be
distracted by anything as annoying as someone calling him on his
actions?
Nope -- never watched him play in my life. Could not care less about...
er, what sport does he play, again? All I care about is the @$#*ed-up way
we treat men who are accused of rape in this culture. Rape has the highest
false-accusation rate of any crime, so tell me again why we give so many
breaks to the accuser?
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On 4 Sep 2004 08:24:51 -0700, carmenlee23@yahoo.com (Jule) wrote:
Since you couldn't prove #@($.
Doesn't mean he didn't do it.
Doesn't mean he did it, either.
"The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't come here."
- Sir Arthur C. Clarke
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Nope -- never watched him play in my life. Could not care less about...
er, what sport does he play, again? All I care about is the @$#*ed-up way
we treat men who are accused of rape in this culture. Rape has the
highest
false-accusation rate of any crime, so tell me again why we give so many
breaks to the accuser?
Amen. What I'm curious about is why the accused is allowed to have his name
publicized but the accuser is not? Can't there be a law that shields the
accused from having his name publicily aired until he's been found guilty?
Here Kobe has had to endure a rape allegation that has gone nowhere. And for
what?
Prior to this drama I couldn't have picked Kobe out of a line up if he'd
been standing in room full of white people. I'd heard the name, but never
saw what he looked like. I dont' follow basketball.
--
ICEBREAKER and The World of Tomorrow
www.ice-everlasting.blogspot.com
"There is no excuse for hitting a woman!"
"Oh no, it was my fault. I took entirely too long getting that beer from the
fridge."
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Whether or not he raped someone, he still committed
adultery.
It is a private, consensual matter between two adults. It's not our place to
cast judgment. Who among us has not committed adultery? Let he who has not
strayed in their marriage cast the first stone. Besides, this whole issue is
about sex, not rape or adultery. So he fooled around; big deal. If Vanessa
was willing to forgive him, then I feel the prosecutor should never have
charged Kobe, and instead dropped his investigation. We should all mind our
own business It's these puritanical Republicans who are creating this furor
over Kobe's sex life to distract us from their failed domestic and foreign
policies. Always trying to take successful black men down a peg or two. They
did it with Clinton and then tried to do it to Kobe. Plus the prosecutor was
up for re-erection and needed an "issue" to put before the voters.
--
ICEBREAKER and The World of Tomorrow
www.ice-everlasting.blogspot.com
"There is no excuse for hitting a woman!"
"Oh no, it was my fault. I took entirely too long getting that beer from the
fridge."
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Since you couldn't prove #@($.
But if you can't prove #@($ (which you can't), the presumption is that
he's
innocent.
You're wasting your breath on Jules. She's a staunch feminist i.e.
anti-male. Why else would she and her friends cling so stridently to this
notion that Kobe isn't innocent, despite the fact that the prosecutor
couldn't prove his case?
--
ICEBREAKER and The World of Tomorrow
www.ice-everlasting.blogspot.com
"There is no excuse for hitting a woman!"
"Oh no, it was my fault. I took entirely too long getting that beer from the
fridge."
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In message <10jkd9bqt3msh4a@corp.supernews.com>, Take This Ice And Shove
It <pussycatdoll@cheshirecat.com> writes
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Amen. What I'm curious about is why the accused is allowed to have his name
publicized but the accuser is not?
In a rape allegation the accuser is a man and the accuser is a female.
Need I say more?
Can't there be a law that shields the
accused from having his name publicily aired until he's been found guilty?
If that were to happen, malicious women wouldn't be able to do as much
damage to their victims.
Here Kobe has had to endure a rape allegation that has gone nowhere. And for
what?
To give his accuser the satisfaction of dragging her victim's name
through the mud.
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Mike
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It is a private, consensual matter between two adults. It's not our place to
cast judgment. Who among us has not committed adultery?
ME!
Otter
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