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Ron wrote:
Poverty in the U.S. climbs for third year Brian Knowlton/IHT IHT Friday, August 27, 2004 WASHINGTON The U.S. poverty rate and the number of Americans without health insurance rose last year, each for the third consecutive year, the Census Bureau reported Thursday. The figures, which the administration released a month earlier than usual, quickly became the focus of a partisan debate. "Under George Bush's watch," said Senator John Kerry, referring to the new data, "America's families are falling further behind." The report said that the number of Americans in poverty rose from 12.1 percent in 2002 to 12.5 percent a year later, totaling 35.8 million people, and that the number of uninsured Americans rose during the same period by 1.4 million, to 45 million, or 15.6 percent of the population. Median household income remained basically flat, at $43,318 when adjusted for inflation, ending a two-year decline. The numbers were not unexpected, and do not reflect the economic growth of the past several months, which has created hundreds of thousands of jobs. Dan Weinberg, a Census Bureau analyst, said that the data was typical for a post-recession economy, but that the numbers of the uninsured reflected continued uncertainty over employment. Employers, who have cited the high costs of providing health insurance as a reason to hire conservatively, are also offering less generous benefit plans. The poverty rate was the highest since 1998, when it reached 12.7 percent. The Census Bureau places the poverty threshold for a family of four at $18,810. The Census Bureau noted that while the overall poverty rate was up from 2002, it remained below the average of the 1980s and 1990s. Still, the new data comes amid a close election campaign in which debate over economic health and fairness loom large. For campaign advisers to Kerry, who have been striving to turn attention away from a bitter controversy over his Vietnam War record and toward the economic issues, the new numbers were a welcome gift. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, wasted no time seizing on the Census report as evidence to bolster his critiques of administration economic and health care policies. The new figures mean that "five million Americans over five years have lost their health insurance," Kerry told an audience of supporters and undecided voters in Anoka, Minnesota. "About 45 million Americans go to bed every night worried." A Kerry campaign statement called on Bush to debate the senator "once a week between now and the end of the campaign, so that the issues that really matter to the American people - like the number of uninsured and people living in poverty - can be front and center in this election." The debate proposal was of a sort often made by presidential challengers, but rarely agreed to by incumbents, who are generally thought to have more to lose in debates. For now, the candidates are expected to have three debates, on Sept. 30, Oct. 8 and Oct. 13. Bush, giving a fairly standard stump speech Thursday during an appearance in Las Cruces, New Mexico, did not specifically address the Census numbers. "We have more to do to make this economy stronger," he said, mentioning, as he often does, the economic shocks of recent years, from recession to terrorist attacks and corporate scandals. The president, as he also does, credited American workers and entrepreneurs, as well as his own "well-timed tax cuts," for moving the country beyond the worst economic woes. But there was immediate dispute over the Census report. Some Republicans noted that even as the number of uninsured Americans grew by 1.4 million, the number of insured did as well, by 1 million. Bush's health and human services secretary, Tommy Thompson, said that Bush was working to reduce health insurance costs to businesses. Some Democrats saw political manipulation in the fact that the administration issued the new numbers a month before their usual release in late September. But Louis Kincannon, the Census director and a Bush appointee, said that the earlier release was intended to coordinate better with other reports. It came, he said, without "influence or pressure" from the Bush campaign. International Herald Tribune Copyright 2004 The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com
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What the article fails to mention is that the large number was caused partly by illegal immigrants. On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:05:07 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
Ron wrote:
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=20 What the article fails to mention is that the large number was caused partly by illegal immigrants. =20 =20 =20 On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:05:07 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote: =20 =20
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Perry wrote:
What the article fails to mention is that the large number was caused partly by illegal immigrants.
Imagine what a pathetic lowlife you must be that some bean-eating Mexican wetback can topple your trailertrash world and send you irretrievably into abject poverty.
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:05:07 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:05:01 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
Perry wrote: Imagine what a pathetic lowlife you must be that some bean-eating Mexican wetback can topple your trailertrash world and send you irretrievably into abject poverty.
But you come across like some racist mother@$#*er
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Perry wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:05:01 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote: But you come across like some racist mother@$#*er
Says the ass-clown who blames his own failings and shortcomings on immigrants, legal or otherwise.
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:35:16 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
Perry wrote: Says the ass-clown who blames his own failings and shortcomings on immigrants, legal or otherwise.
Nope, I'm a Republican so that means I'm well off. At least according to looser welfare Democrats.
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Perry wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:35:16 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote: Nope, I'm a Republican so that means I'm well off. At least according to looser welfare Democrats.
Which Democratic congresspersons are you wealthier than?
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:22:37 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
Perry wrote: Which Democratic congresspersons are you wealthier than?
Kerry, Clinton, and Kennedy.
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In article <bs84j05td33nbhs3o3i208h985qhgesr8v@4ax.com>, Perry <perrymarlin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:35:16 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote: Nope, I'm a Republican so that means I'm well off. At least according to looser welfare Democrats.
No. It means you support policies that benefit the well-off more than working people. There are two possible reasons for that. One is that you're well off. The other is that you're deluded. There are a lot more of the deluded than there are economic-interest Republicans. -- The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. -- Albert Einstein
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Hugh Sedditt wrote:
In article <bs84j05td33nbhs3o3i208h985qhgesr8v@4ax.com>, Perry <perrymarlin@hotmail.com> wrote: No. It means you support policies that benefit the well-off more than working people. There are two possible reasons for that. One is that you're well off. The other is that you're deluded. There are a lot more of the deluded than there are economic-interest Republicans.
The poor fools think that if they support the wealthy, they will actually become wealthy themselves by some sort of osmosis or the sudden benevolence of the ruling class.
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:29:34 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
Hugh Sedditt wrote: The poor fools think that if they support the wealthy, they will actually become wealthy themselves by some sort of osmosis or the sudden benevolence of the ruling class.
Didn't you know that most of the Republicans who post on alt.military.retired are millionaires. One guy here always #@&@ es about keeping fuel in his Yacht. Others brag about 72in Plasma TV's. etc. Me I just play with my three autos which each cost more than what losers like you make in a year. Yes being rich is fun and really comes in handy. You're just jealous.
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Perry wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:29:34 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote: Didn't you know that most of the Republicans who post on alt.military.retired are millionaires. One guy here always #@&@ es about keeping fuel in his Yacht. Others brag about 72in Plasma TV's. etc. Me I just play with my three autos which each cost more than what losers like you make in a year. Yes being rich is fun and really comes in handy. You're just jealous.
Or not so selfish.
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And your point is .... ?
What the article fails to mention is that the large number was caused partly by illegal immigrants. On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:05:07 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
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Let me see if I can get this straight=20 Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad... Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good... Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad... Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good... Bush liberates 25 million from genocidal dictator - bad... Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good.... Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad.... Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft carrier in a flight suit - bad... Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good... Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad... No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad... Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good... Recession under Bush after 9-11 - bad... Clinton imposes largest tax increase in history -good... Bush instigates moderate tax cuts for all Americans - bad... Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good... Then World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad... Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good... Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad... Milosevic not yet convicted - good... Saddam in custody - bad... Oh, it's so confusing! I guess I'll never be a Democrat. =20 Garcia-Ferrada=20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/2004
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"pedro martori" "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com Kitty Kelley's new book about the Bush family is still two weeks from release, and it's already at #13 on Amazon. From a completely unsubstantiated source: http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/115489/index.php Slash-and-burn celebrity biographer who revealed Sinatra's mother performed coathanger abortions and Lady Di was a pushover, is set to demolish Anti-Christ George W. Bush with Sept. 14 release of Bush Family biography. The biography is obviously unauathorized. It reveals alleged sex offenses against minors by Dubya's father. It reveals the use of the White House by male hookers. It reveals crooked business deals by every member of the Bush clan, including the oh-so-holy first lady, Laura "Round Heels" Bush. It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch. It reveals how Dubya has had a very special friend in the mayor of a Tennessee city, who has has cohabited the Texas ranch many times. It reveals the details of embarassing photographs of Bush that actually caused U.S. Govt. agents to perpetrate the anthrax mailings to destroy the building of National Enquirer and kill photo editor Stevens. It reveals how you can get surprisingly close to America's Darth Vader. It reveals the incredible relationship between Dubya and some famous televangelists. It reveals intimate details gleaned from persons close to Bush in Crawford, Texas. It reveals the filth of Bush's ancestors, the most shocking family in US history. It reveals how Bush plans additional wars for oil, under the pretense of fighting terrorism and defending Israel -- these are just pretenses, the real reason is we are running out of oil. It reveals Dubya's oedipus complex with Babs, his love/hate relationship with his father, some surprising medical details about Duby, including an explanation of why he is so burnt out. It reveals who runs Bush, and it is not Round Heels. It reveals murders committed by the Bush family. It reveals why George W. Bush is the greatest threat the US and the world has ever faced. This book makes Fahrenheit 9/11 look like pablum. It is real raw meat. I love election years. Jim
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In article <LrqdnY_4oaMd4KfcRVn-qg@look.ca>, "pedro martori" <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote:
Let me see if I can get this straight=20 Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad... Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good... Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad... Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good... Bush liberates 25 million from genocidal dictator - bad... Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good.... Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad.... Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft carrier in a flight suit - bad... Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good... Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad... No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad... Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good... Recession under Bush after 9-11 - bad... Clinton imposes largest tax increase in history -good... Bush instigates moderate tax cuts for all Americans - bad... Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good... Then World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad... Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good... Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad... Milosevic not yet convicted - good... Saddam in custody - bad... Oh, it's so confusing! I guess I'll never be a Democrat.
You forgot one: Republicans - good Democrats - bad
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omega wrote:
In article <LrqdnY_4oaMd4KfcRVn-qg@look.ca>, "pedro martori" <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote: You forgot one: Republicans - good Democrats - bad
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