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http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040903/COLUMS/10903001 5There is something to learn from this debacle, but it has nothing to do with media excess. The real problem in the Bryant case was not too much media attention or disclosure - inadvertent or otherwise - but too much legal secrecy. It was judicially sanctioned secrecy and the ability to hold things out of the public eye that allowed the prosecution to stagger forward with what clearly was, from the very start, an extraordinarily weak case. If you accept that, then it follows that more, and more-detailed, media coverage would have better protected not only Bryant's rights but also the interests of the public in Eagle County, Colo., which now is stuck with the bills from this fiasco. "The public often forgets that criminal prosecutions don't proceed by rote, but by a series of decisions and judgments on the part of prosecutors," said Jane Kirtley, the Silha Professor of Journalism and Law at the University of Minnesota. "Because so much that was important in this case was done in secret or filed under seal, the taxpayers of Eagle County are left to throw up their hands over this result. Even if they were following the reports in the press closely, they don't yet have a clue as to what really went wrong." In fact, increasing judicial acquiescence to secret proceedings in cases involving celebrity defendants now poses a serious and immediate threat to the integrity of America's criminal justice system. Across the United States and at all levels of jurisdiction, a malevolent fog of convenience and expediency is descending on our courts, denying the public its right to witness, through the surrogacy of a free press, the justice administered in its name. In some instances, the erosion of access is being checked. For example, when a coalition of news organizations challenged a federal judge's decision to bar the media and public from jury selection in the Martha Stewart case, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held that he had erred. "To hold otherwise would render the First Amendment right of access meaningless," the appellate justices wrote, noting that open proceedings "protect rather than threaten the right to a fair trial." In the Bryant case, by contrast, the Colorado Supreme Court upheld the trial judge's order restraining seven news organizations - including the Los Angeles Times - from publishing anything in sealed court documents accidentally transmitted to them by a clumsy clerk. The U.S. Supreme Court never has upheld such a prior restraint on the news media's ability to publish or broadcast what it deems newsworthy, even when the information contained in the report has been obtained illegally. For now, however, the precedent established in the Bryant case ominously stands in Colorado. Meanwhile, in California, where pop star Michael Jackson has been charged with child molestation, what Kirtley calls "a virtually secret trial" is being conducted by Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville. "This judge simply believes the public can't handle information," said Linda Deutsch, The Associated Press' special correspondent and America's premier courtroom reporter. "Judge Melville actually said that the only way to give Jackson a fair trial is hold everything that hasn't been released so far in secret. We still don't know, for example, what the 28 overt acts alleged in Michael Jackson's indictment are. This trial has reached such a point of absurdity that even the motions to file motions are under seal." Deutsch, who covered the William Kennedy Smith rape case in Florida and O.J. Simpson's murder trial, pointed out that, by contrast with the Bryant and Jackson prosecutions, both were carried out in full public view and ended in acquittals. "Everyone wants to have a secret trial now, but it's not the way the American system is intended to work," she said. "Whether it's Eagle, Colorado, or Santa Barbara County, the public is paying for these proceedings, but when this kind of secrecy is allowed, they don't know whether they're paying for a legitimate case or whether they're paying for something that never should have been allowed to go on." Kirtley notes that the conduct of the Jackson case clearly demonstrates a growing legal trend in which "the defense and prosecution are in happy unanimity about the virtues of secrecy. A lot of judges are equally happy to go along. The only party left out of their harmonious little arrangement is the public, which is why you need the press." Attorney Theodore Boutrous, who represents a coalition of 10 news organizations - including the Los Angeles Times - that have petitioned the Court of Appeals to open crucial documents in the Jackson case, said the defense, prosecutor and judge seem "united in seeking a blanket celebrity exception to the First Amendment." Boutrous said he has "never seen a case where fundamental documents such as the allegations contained in the indictment remain under seal. It is unprecedented and precludes the public from exercising its right to scrutinize the arguments." One of the most disturbing implications of this new judicial predilection for secrecy, is its potential to promote further inequality. Deutsch, for example, has pointed out that the secrecy imposed in the Bryant, Stewart and Jackson cases "has some media experts and scholars warning that America is developing a two-tiered justice system - one for celebrities and one for everyone else." As Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, asked, "Does the public understand what preferential treatment these (celebrities) are receiving from the system?" At the end of the day, this level of courtroom secrecy becomes a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Attorneys and judges argue that their ability to impanel impartial juries and fair trials are compromised by excessive and sensational media coverage. But when the actual legal proceedings are closed and evidentiary documents sealed, even conscientious journalists have nothing to fall back on but leaks, often from self-interested parties - and speculation, often ill-informed. "The real danger of secret trials," said Deutsch, "is that things leak out piecemeal anyway, and that becomes the basis for reporting. I'm trying to give the public an accurate picture of whether their justice system is working and I can't be sure I'm doing that when things are done in secret." Boutrous puts the issue clearly: "Secrecy is not a protection because it fosters an atmosphere that is detrimental to the defendant's right's and the state's interests. Openness is the best protection." That's the real lesson of the Kobe Bryant case. Do we really need to relearn it in the Michael Jackson trial?
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<chcq7p$1on@dispatch.concentric.net>...
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040903/COLUMS/10903001 5 There is something to learn from this debacle, but it has nothing to do with media excess. The real problem
<remaining bull#@($ deleted to conserve electrons> The real problem is the ploice failed to SHOOT the criminals when they were first caught.
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<remaining bull#@($ deleted to conserve electrons> The real problem is the ploice failed to SHOOT the criminals when they were first caught.
Who? Kobe Bryant? Lemme get this straight -- you think the detectives who first arrested Kobe Bryant, one of the top sports stars in the nation, should have just shot him; even though he had no priors, no arrest record that I've heard of whatsoever, and was not engaged in any criminal activity, nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo?
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Who? Kobe Bryant? Lemme get this straight -- you think the detectives who first arrested Kobe Bryant, one of the top sports stars in the nation, should have just shot him; even though he had no priors, no arrest record that I've heard of whatsoever, and was not engaged in any criminal activity, nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo?
<looks at doorman> Hey, who let this guy in here??!?!? He is supposed to be kept in alt.flame.n*****. -- http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/ Bush%20%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3 "Conservatives love their country the way a four-year-old loves their mommy. Everything Mommy does is good and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad." -- Al Franken
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message news:<pAt_c.12098$54.168815@typhoon.sonic.net>...
Who? Kobe Bryant? Lemme get this straight -- you think the detectives who first arrested Kobe Bryant, one of the top sports stars in the nation,
Basketball players are $1.00 per dozen. There are thousands of seven foot tall wannabe niggerball players.
should have just shot him;
Fuck yes. What difference does it make if there is one less niggerball player. even though he had no priors, No KNOWN previous, but going on this prime example of niggerstupidity, it's bound to have some undiscovered crime in it's past. no arrest record
that I've heard of whatsoever,
You don't hear everthing, numb nuts. and was not engaged in any criminal activity, Got any prove of that?
nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo?
A dead nigger is a good nigger.
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Osama Bin Bush <Bushin2004@bush.com> wrote in message news:<Bushin2004-BF1AED.19391604092004@newssvr23-ext.news.prodigy.com>... "William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5f846e6b.0409041449.62194c0d@posting.google.com...
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040903/COLUMS/1090300 1 5 There is something to learn from this debacle, but it has nothing to do with media excess. The real problem <remaining bull#@($ deleted to conserve electrons> The real problem is the ploice failed to SHOOT the criminals when they were first caught. Who? Kobe Bryant? Lemme get this straight -- you think the detectives who first arrested Kobe Bryant, one of the top sports stars in the nation, should have just shot him; even though he had no priors, no arrest record that I've heard of whatsoever, and was not engaged in any criminal activity, nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo?
<looks at doorman> Hey, who let this guy in here??!?!? He is supposed to be kept in alt.flame.n*****.
Tough #@($, camel fucKKKer.
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On 5 Sep 2004 01:44:36 -0700, w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote:
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message news:<pAt_c.12098$54.168815@typhoon.sonic.net>... Basketball players are $1.00 per dozen.
Just like your mom. Oops, sorry, your mom is cheaper.
There are thousands of seven foot tall wannabe niggerball players. Fuck yes. What difference does it make if there is one less niggerball player. even though he had no priors, No KNOWN previous, but going on this prime example of niggerstupidity, it's bound to have some undiscovered crime in it's past. no arrest record
How about shooting your racist ass, when you come out of your trailer park high on drugs? That would do society a favor. that I've heard of whatsoever,
You don't hear everthing, numb nuts.
And the same could be said about you, @$#*head. We can at least spell properly.
and was not engaged in any criminal activity,
You speak from experience. Looks like you are with a criminal history. Looking at your posts, I am not surprised.
Got any prove of that?
No need to, your posts speak for themselves. nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo?
A dead nigger is a good nigger.
You're mind@$#*ed, but you're too stupid to see it.
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Osama Bin Bush <Bushin2004@bush.com> wrote in message news:<Bushin2004-BF1AED.19391604092004@newssvr23-ext.news.prodigy.com>... "William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5f846e6b.0409041449.62194c0d@posting.google.com...
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040903/COLUMS/1090300 1 5 There is something to learn from this debacle, but it has nothing to do with media excess. The real problem <remaining bull#@($ deleted to conserve electrons> The real problem is the ploice failed to SHOOT the criminals when they were first caught. Who? Kobe Bryant? Lemme get this straight -- you think the detectives who first arrested Kobe Bryant, one of the top sports stars in the nation, should have just shot him; even though he had no priors, no arrest record that I've heard of whatsoever, and was not engaged in any criminal activity, nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo? <looks at doorman> Hey, who let this guy in here??!?!? He is supposed
to be kept in alt.flame.n*****.
**I must apologize for allowing Willy the 'Pedo' Sheep@$#*er Wolfe to sneak in here!! We keep him caged up in the other group but he chewed through the rope and staggered over here. You can be assured that he will be beaten and whipped severely when I get his worthless ass back!! You may need to fumigate this group now that he has contaminated it with his disgusting Stench!! Again I apologize for his smell and his stupidity, and as I said...he WILL be dealt with in a most unpleasant way!!**
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote:
On 5 Sep 2004 01:44:36 -0700, w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote: Just like your mom. Oops, sorry, your mom is cheaper.
Yeah, his mom'll pay you to do her. There are thousands of seven foot tall wannabe niggerball players. should have just shot him; Fuck yes. What difference does it make if there is one less niggerball player. even though he had no priors, No KNOWN previous, but going on this prime example of niggerstupidity, it's bound to have some undiscovered crime in it's past. no arrest record
How about shooting your racist ass, when you come out of your trailer park high on drugs?
I'd be just as happy to shoot his racist ass when he comes out of his trailer park stone cold sober.
That would do society a favor.
And it would feel good too. that I've heard of whatsoever, You don't hear everthing, numb nuts.
And the same could be said about you, @$#*head. We can at least spell properly.
Which spelling error are you attacking, "everthing" or the splitting of "numb" "nuts" into two words when it should be one, like dickhead or cocksucker? and was not engaged in any criminal activity,
You speak from experience. Looks like you are with a criminal history.
If being a piece of #@($ is a crime, he's definitely guilty as sin.
Looking at your posts, I am not surprised.
yeah. blah blah blah nigger blah blah nigger blah blah blah. Fuckin Albert Einstein. Got any prove of that?
No need to, your posts speak for themselves.
Hey, you got any prove of that? nor trying to flee or resist arrest, when they encountered him? Just on the word of some 19 year old bimbo? A dead nigger is a good nigger.
You're mind@$#*ed, but you're too stupid to see it.
He's beyond mind@$#*ed. He's all the way out into mindless. -- Dave Zero "And I don't care about making an ass out of myself because most people already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis "I criticize by creation" - Cicero "I'm not here to make people happy. I prefer to piss people off." - Liam Gallagher
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<chcq7p$1on@dispatch.concentric.net>...
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040903/COLUMS/10903001
That's the real lesson of the Kobe Bryant case...
....is that even if he did in fact rape the skank-ass whore, she probably wouldn't have garnered much sympathy from a lot of men anyway. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozzman does not endorse, support, recommend, or encourage any illegal activities that violate current federal, state, or local law. All information posted herein is provided for informational, entertainment, or humorous purposes only.
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Sports Fuckhead <sports@$#*head@trailertrashhome.home> wrote in message news:<opqmj0ltfru6tt27kp20qmlse6vcumbt69@4ax.com>...
<mindless whiggerbabble deleted to conserve electrons> You're so far up your nigger's rectum you can't see daylight. Get a dose of HIV and die, nigger lover.
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w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote in news:5f846e6b.0409052055.5937f98f@posting.google.com:
<mindless whiggerbabble deleted to conserve electrons> You're so far up your nigger's rectum you can't see daylight. Get a dose of HIV and die, nigger lover.
Nice...you can always spot a bush supporter -- If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief-I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper-that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one. Barack Obama ------------- Welfare State is not a dirty word. It simply means that the government has a concern and responsibility that the standard of living shall not fall below a certain level. The Democratic Party has been meeting this responsibility since FDR Johnny Morgan
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On 5 Sep 2004 21:55:16 -0700, w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote:
Sports Fuckhead <sports@$#*head@trailertrashhome.home> wrote in message news:<opqmj0ltfru6tt27kp20qmlse6vcumbt69@4ax.com>... <mindless whiggerbabble deleted to conserve electrons> You're so far up your nigger's rectum you can't see daylight. Get a dose of HIV and die, nigger lover.
Nic Cappacio? Is that you? You sure talk the same way. You racist pig. I bet tyou're too coward and trashy to talk like this in real life. On usenet you're such a tough guy, hiding behind your Internet connection. Fuck off.
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nigger lover <sports@$#*wit@fan.home> wrote in message news:<sb8oj09574h58imh3tcuoq133b7s2ioc53@4ax.com>...
On 5 Sep 2004 21:55:16 -0700, w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote: Nic Cappacio? Is that you? You sure talk the same way. You racist pig.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that tired old nigger lover's piss weak attempt at imtimidation so many times it's lost its bark, nigger lover. Do try to think up something original.
I bet tyou're too coward and trashy to talk like this in real life.
Dream away, nigger lover.
On usenet you're such a tough guy,
I'm tough wherever I am, slap nuts. hiding behind your Internet
connection.
Right back at ya, NIGGER LOVER.
Fuck off.
Or what, #@($ for brains?
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VicXnews <noniggernews@news.com> wrote in message news:<AbS_c.54568$nk.38486@okepread05>...
w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote in news:5f846e6b.0409052055.5937f98f@posting.google.com: Nice...you can always spot a bush supporter
Maybe, @$#* knuckle, but you clearly cannot.
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On 7 Sep 2004 04:34:39 -0700, w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote:
nigger lover <sports@$#*wit@fan.home> wrote in message news:<sb8oj09574h58imh3tcuoq133b7s2ioc53@4ax.com>... Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Glad to see that you agree that you are a pig.
I've heard that tired old nigger lover's piss weak attempt at imtimidation so many times it's lost its bark, nigger lover. Do try to think up something original.
Yawn. Racist douche bags like you are boring and stupid, and they cannot spell properly either. I bet tyou're too coward and trashy to talk like this in real life.
Dream away, nigger lover.
So why don't you walk in a neighborhood where the majority is black and start calling people names and your racist boring 2 word vocabulary, and see how you much of a tough guy/girl you are? You can't because you are a coward. On usenet you're such a tough guy,
I'm tough wherever I am, slap nuts.
You're not tough, you are a coward and lost soul.
hiding behind your Internet Right back at ya, NIGGER LOVER.
Yawn. You are boring. Fuck off.
Or what, #@($ for brains?
Or you'll be either laughed at, as this, or you get your sorry racist retarded ass plonked, #@($ stain. You seem to be angry at black people, I am willing to bet that you had a crush on a black guy and your were rejected. Or your $5 toothless trailer trash hooker mom had a black customer. Either way, wake up, the kkk is not legal anymore.
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<fcerj0pft47r48bvps47026chg2j10igrm@4ax.com>...
On 7 Sep 2004 04:34:39 -0700, w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote: Glad to see that you agree that you are a pig. Yawn. Racist douche bags like you are boring and stupid, and they cannot spell properly either. I bet tyou're too coward and trashy to talk like this in real life. So why don't you walk in a neighborhood where the majority is black and start calling people names and your racist boring 2 word vocabulary, and see how you much of a tough guy/girl you are? You can't because you are a coward. On usenet you're such a tough guy, You're not tough, you are a coward and lost soul. Yawn. You are boring. Fuck off. Or you'll be either laughed at, as this, or you get your sorry racist retarded ass plonked, #@($ stain. You seem to be angry at black people, I am willing to bet that you had a crush on a black guy and your were rejected.
Story of your life, huh Sporty?
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On 7 Sep 2004 12:22:10 -0700, rioroad@hotmail.com (Pauli G) wrote:
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<fcerj0pft47r48bvps47026chg2j10igrm@4ax.com>... Story of your life, huh Sporty?
I am not the one stalking others on usenet, you are. You are now supporting a racist. I don't know if you can go any lower.
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<0v9vj09a45vjs3djl1efoblqg25dgufhhg@4ax.com>...
On 7 Sep 2004 12:22:10 -0700, rioroad@hotmail.com (Pauli G) wrote: I am not the one stalking others on usenet, you are. You are now supporting a racist. I don't know if you can go any lower.
Supporting a racist? You've made some illogical leaps before, but this one takes the cake. You need to practice connecting the dots and not jumping all over the page.
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w_j_wolfe20o3@yahoo.com (William J. Wolfe) wrote in message news:<5f846e6b.0409070334.2c3d30f@posting.google.com>...
nigger lover <sports@$#*wit@fan.home> wrote in message news:<sb8oj09574h58imh3tcuoq133b7s2ioc53@4ax.com>... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that tired old nigger lover's piss weak attempt at imtimidation so many times it's lost its bark, nigger lover. Do try to think up something original. Dream away, nigger lover. I'm tough wherever I am, slap nuts.
They did not hire you, right?
hiding behind your Internet Right back at ya, NIGGER LOVER. Or what, #@($ for brains?
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