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"Judge Crane of New York City says: 'Cigarettes are ruining our children,
endangering their lives,
dwarfing their intellects, and making them criminals fast. [Smokers] seem to
lose all sense of
right, decency, and righteousness.'"
"Judge Ben Lindsey, former judge of the Denver Juvenile Court, has said: 'One of
the very worst
'habits' . . . is the cigarette habit. This has long been recognized by all the
judges of the courts
who deal with young criminals, and especially by judges of police courts, before
whom pass thousands
of men every year who are addicted to intemprate habits. These judges know that
in nearly every case
the [alcoholics] who appear before them . . . began [by] smoking cigarettes. One
bad habit led to
another. The nicotine and poison in the cigarette created an appetite for
alcoholic drink. The
cigarette habit not only had a grip upon them . . . but it invited all the other
demons of habit to
come in and add to the degradation that the cigarette began.'"
"Hon. George Torrance, former superintendent of the Illinois State Reformatory,
says: 'I am sure
cigarettes are destroying and making criminals of more [youth] than liquor. . .
.. We have found that
when a [youth] is guilty of a grievous offense, he is generally found to be a
user of cigarettes.'"
"Judge B. S. Shaw of Hart, Michigan, says: 'In every instance of juvenile
delinquency in this court
I have found that the boys were cigarette users.'"
"Judge Allen of Lisbon, North Dakota, says: 'Every male juvenile delinquent
brought before me for
the last seventeen years has been a cigarette smoker.'"
"Judge Pollock of Fargo, North Dakota, said: 'Every boy brought into this court
the past sixteen
years was a cigarette smoker.'"
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"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
"Judge Crane of New York City says: 'Cigarettes are ruining our children,
endangering their lives,
dwarfing their intellects, and making them criminals fast. [Smokers] seem to
lose all sense of
right, decency, and righteousness.'"
"Your Honor, may I respectfully suggest that the court GET A FUCKING GRIP ON
REALITY?"
"Judge Ben Lindsey, former judge of the Denver Juvenile Court, has said: 'One of
the very worst
'habits' . . . is the cigarette habit. This has long been recognized by all the
judges of the courts
who deal with young criminals, and especially by judges of police courts, before
whom pass thousands
of men every year who are addicted to intemprate habits. These judges know that
in nearly every case
the [alcoholics] who appear before them . . . began [by] smoking cigarettes. One
bad habit led to
another. The nicotine and poison in the cigarette created an appetite for
alcoholic drink. The
cigarette habit not only had a grip upon them . . . but it invited all the other
demons of habit to
come in and add to the degradation that the cigarette began.'"
"Hon. George Torrance, former superintendent of the Illinois State Reformatory,
says: 'I am sure
cigarettes are destroying and making criminals of more [youth] than liquor. . .
. We have found that
when a [youth] is guilty of a grievous offense, he is generally found to be a
user of cigarettes.'"
"Judge B. S. Shaw of Hart, Michigan, says: 'In every instance of juvenile
delinquency in this court
I have found that the boys were cigarette users.'"
"Judge Allen of Lisbon, North Dakota, says: 'Every male juvenile delinquent
brought before me for
the last seventeen years has been a cigarette smoker.'"
"Judge Pollock of Fargo, North Dakota, said: 'Every boy brought into this court
the past sixteen
years was a cigarette smoker.'"
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"Judge Crane of New York City says: 'Cigarettes are ruining our children,
endangering their lives,
dwarfing their intellects, and making them criminals fast. [Smokers] seem
to
lose all sense of
right, decency, and righteousness.'"
"Judge Ben Lindsey, former judge of the Denver Juvenile Court, has said:
'One of
the very worst
'habits' . . . is the cigarette habit. This has long been recognized by
all the
judges of the courts
who deal with young criminals, and especially by judges of police courts,
before
whom pass thousands
of men every year who are addicted to intemprate habits. These judges know
that
in nearly every case
the [alcoholics] who appear before them . . . began [by] smoking
cigarettes. One
bad habit led to
another. The nicotine and poison in the cigarette created an appetite for
alcoholic drink. The
cigarette habit not only had a grip upon them . . . but it invited all the
other
demons of habit to
come in and add to the degradation that the cigarette began.'"
"Hon. George Torrance, former superintendent of the Illinois State
Reformatory,
says: 'I am sure
cigarettes are destroying and making criminals of more [youth] than
liquor. . .
. We have found that
when a [youth] is guilty of a grievous offense, he is generally found to
be a
user of cigarettes.'"
"Judge B. S. Shaw of Hart, Michigan, says: 'In every instance of juvenile
delinquency in this court
I have found that the boys were cigarette users.'"
"Judge Allen of Lisbon, North Dakota, says: 'Every male juvenile
delinquent
brought before me for
the last seventeen years has been a cigarette smoker.'"
"Judge Pollock of Fargo, North Dakota, said: 'Every boy brought into this
court
the past sixteen
years was a cigarette smoker.'"
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That's it, I had it with you!!! Just killfiled you S.O.(B) Damocles. Can't
stand your rants anymore.
J.R.
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:00:58 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
"Judge Crane of New York City says: 'Cigarettes are ruining our children,
endangering their lives,
dwarfing their intellects, and making them criminals fast. [Smokers] seem to
lose all sense of
right, decency, and righteousness.'"
[snip mostly repetitious stuff]
Fortunately, the judges I've been privileged to meet have been wise
and thoughtful men. I can't imagine any of them spouting simple minded
prattle like this. Apparently someone found it quotable. So, if I were
to tell you how many law enforcement officers smoke cigars, would you
quote that too?
BTW - Most of the young men I've met who have had problems with the
law have a habit of wearing pants that are way too large. Most of the
young women in similar circumstances are wearing clothes that are way
too small. Would you conclude from this that we need fewer cops and
more tailors?
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Mickey wrote:
"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
"Your Honor, may I respectfully suggest that the court GET A FUCKING GRIP
ON REALITY?"
Have you ever been before Judge Crane in court? Have you seen him on TV?
Have you read about him in a magazine or a newspaper? Do you have any
reason to believe that his court has anything less than a firm grip on
reality?
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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Jay Ar wrote:
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That's it, I had it with you!!! Just killfiled you S.O.(B)
Damocles. Can't stand
the truth anymore, going to retreat back inside my deluded
world of junkie denial.
J.R.
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Robert Broughton <rbronews@brou8ghton.ca> wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Have you ever been before Judge Crane in court? Have you seen him on TV?
Have you read about him in a magazine or a newspaper? Do you have any
reason to believe that his court has anything less than a firm grip on
reality?
Absolutely. The judge is letting his personal feelings get int he way of his
judgement. Judge Crane is engaging in logical fallacy. There is no reason to
believe that cigarettes are responsible for the behavior he cites. The fact
that the majority of kids coming before him smoke does not mean that smoking
is responsible.
He is making the mistake: Most of a do b, therefore b is responsible for a.
IIRC, it is called "Affirmation of the Consequent"
You could make the same argument about anything common to the defendants
that have appeared before him. They all have eaten white bread in the last
year, they all drink Pepsi, they all play basketball....
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S. O. Damocles wrote:
<SNIP>
"Judge B. S. Shaw of Hart, Michigan, says: 'In every instance of juvenile
delinquency in this court
I have found that the boys were cigarette users.'"
"In every instance I have observed the sun setting here in Chicago,
the street lights have been turned on. Clearly, the street lights
cause the sun to set"
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S. O. Damocles wrote:
"Judge Crane of New York City says: 'Cigarettes are ruining our children,
endangering their lives,
And this is a good thing. As those kids would probably grow
up to be, as Bush would say, "terr'ists".
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
S. O. Damocles wrote:
<SNIP>
"In every instance I have observed the sun setting here in
Chicago, the street lights have been turned on.
Yep
Clearly, the street
lights cause the sun to set"
The Judge never claimed in was causal, moron. That's your
phoney strawman.
Does the sun place the street lights in it's mouth, light them on fire,
then inhale the toxic, cancerous, noxious effluent of that smoke?
Facts:
1) In nearly every instance I have observed tobacco addicts to be
stupid, lower grade humans.
2) Criminals tend to be smokers.
Get it?
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rumik wrote:
S. O. Damocles wrote:
And this is a good thing. As those kids would probably grow
up to be, as Bush would say, "terr'ists".
Who seek out "nuklar" weapons because they hate "our freedoms".
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Mickey wrote:
Robert Broughton <rbronews@brou8ghton.ca> wrote:
Absolutely. The judge is letting his personal feelings get int he way of
his judgement.
Would you care to provide some evidence?
Judge Crane is engaging in logical fallacy.
Nonsense.
There is no
reason to believe that cigarettes are responsible for the behavior he
cites.
Actually, there are lots of reasons. All you have to do is start looking for
them. Just because you typed "there is no reason" doesn't make it so.
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:05:14 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Facts:
1) In nearly every instance I have observed tobacco addicts to be
stupid, lower grade humans.
2) Criminals tend to be smokers.
Get it?
You're too funny. Exactly what makes a person a "tobacco addict" for
the purpose of your argument? Better yet, what was the indicator of
"grade" and "stupidity" that you "observed" in association with said
addiction?
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Douglas Manz wrote:
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:05:14 -0600, "S. O. Damocles"
<so@damocl.es> wrote:
You're too funny. Exactly what makes a person a "tobacco
addict" for the purpose of your argument?
Someone who is addicted to tobacco, would, ipso facto, be
a tobacco addict, no?
Better yet, what
was the indicator of "grade" and "stupidity" that you
"observed" in association with said addiction?
Their abject stupidity?
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There is no
reason to believe that cigarettes are responsible for the behavior he
cites.
Said Barbie Broughton:
Actually, there are lots of reasons. All you have to do is start looking for
them. Just because you typed "there is no reason" doesn't make it so.
And just because you say "there are lots of reasons" doesn't make it so,
Babs.
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ipad@ptd.net wrote:
There is no
reason to believe that cigarettes are responsible for the
behavior he cites.
Said Barbie Broughton:
And just because you say "there are lots of reasons"
doesn't make it so, Babs.
Have another smoke, junkie.
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"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message
Have ...
<snip>
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S. O. Damocles wrote:
rumik wrote:
Who seek out "nuklar" weapons because they hate "our freedoms".
Or, as the "highly-educated" Bush would say, "nu-cular" weapons.
BTW, whatever did he do with your freedoms? Sad, isn't it?
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Robert Broughton wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Would you care to provide some evidence?
I will vouch for the accuracy of that statement.
No further evidence is necessary.
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S. O. Damocles wrote:
ipad@ptd.net wrote:
There is no
reason to believe that cigarettes are responsible for the
behavior he cites.
Have another smoke, junkie.
And that will make it so?
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:00:58 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
"Judge Crane of New York City says: 'Cigarettes are ruining our children,
endangering their lives,
dwarfing their intellects, and making them criminals fast. [Smokers] seem to
lose all sense of right, decency, and righteousness.'"
Which only proves, that Mr. Crane is unfit to be a judge.
How can you expect a fair trial, when the judge is a
narrow-minded bag of prejudice?
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:20:04 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
Actually, there are lots of reasons. All you have to do is start looking for
them. Just because you typed "there is no reason" doesn't make it so.
Okay, give us one credible reason that cigarettes turn people into
criminals.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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Jebediah Springfield wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:00:58 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Which only proves, that Mr. Crane is unfit to be a judge.
Fortunately, addicts don't play a significant role in the selection of
judges.
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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Mike Z. Helm wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:20:04 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
Okay, give us one credible reason that cigarettes turn people into
criminals.
It's called, "stealing to support your drug habit".
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:09:50 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
Mike Z. Helm wrote:
It's called, "stealing to support your drug habit".
And what percentage of smokers do you imagine has to steal?
--
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ipad@ptd.net wrote:
There is no
reason to believe that cigarettes are responsible for the
behavior he cites.
Have another smoke, junkie.
Oh, junkie...you must be from colorado...
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Jebediah Springfield wrote:
Fortunately, addicts don't play a significant role in the selection of
judges.
Sure they do. And they have historically. To think that those addicted to
caffeine, alcohol or nicotine have not throughout history and today would be
foolish.
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Mike Z. Helm wrote:
It's called, "stealing to support your drug habit".
I would say that statement is one of the dumbest things you have ever
written, but you have probably posted statement that were every bit as dumb
as that.
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:09:50 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
And what percentage of smokers do you imagine has to steal?
He's canadian. That must have something to do with it.
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Without question the stupidest @$#*ing statement I've heard in years.
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:09:50 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca> wrote:
Okay, give us one credible reason that cigarettes turn people into
criminals.
It's called, "stealing to support your drug habit".
That's called "grasping at straws to support an already weak
argument". The only thing you've proved so far is that you don't
embarrass easily.
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Douglas Manz wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:09:50 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca> wrote:
Okay, give us one credible reason that cigarettes turn people into
criminals.
That's called "grasping at straws to support an already weak
argument".
Judge Crane seems to have touched a few nerves. Good.
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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Todd Benson wrote:
I would say that statement is one of the dumbest things you have ever
You addicts haven't been at all forthcoming with factual evidence to dispute
Judge Crane's statement.
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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Mike Z. Helm wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:09:50 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
And what percentage of smokers do you imagine has to steal?
There's no need for me to imagine. You tell me if you've ever stolen to
support your drug habit.
--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Watch your mouth, if you ever want to cross the border. Bad things
can happen to Canadians who use foul language in the US."
mailto:stanlee_98@yahoo.com , Nov. 30, 2003
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Mike Z. Helm wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:09:50 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
And what percentage of smokers do you imagine has to steal?
All you lowlife tobacco junkies that steal from the State Gov't
by not paying the legal taxes due on cigarettes when you buy
them over the internet and/or out of state.
That alone makes 100,000s of you maggoty pukes "criminals"
right there.
Then of course there are the pathetic tobacco addicted parents
who abuse their children by exposing them to SHS. Those
criminal child abusers should be improsoned, and have their
children sent to SS to be raised properly.
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:30:54 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
Mike Z. Helm wrote:
There's no need for me to imagine. You tell me if you've ever stolen to
support your drug habit.
I never have. So therefore, by your own requested sampling the
percentage is ZERO.
Now, have you ever stolen anything in your life?
Answer honestly now. I would hate to have to conclude that anti-smokers
are all liars in addition to being thieves.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:29:24 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
Todd Benson wrote:
You addicts haven't been at all forthcoming with factual evidence to dispute
Judge Crane's statement.
The complete LACK of evidence supporting his claim is more than enough.
Why not prove this statement wrong:
"Venus is populated by lesbians."
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:26:25 -0700, Robert Broughton
<rbronews@brou8ghton.ca>
Douglas Manz wrote:
Judge Crane seems to have touched a few nerves. Good.
So did Hitler.
That doesn't mean he's right.
Anytime someone in a position of authority makes such obviously bigoted
and ignorant statements, those who seek truth and justice will speak
out.
I will repeat my earlier request:
"Okay, give us one credible reason that cigarettes turn people into
criminals."
So far we have already established that your first offered reason was
100% bull#@($.
Try again.
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