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Students reacted on Wednesday to news of prosecutors dropping criminal
charges against NBA star Kobe Bryant, who had been accused of sexually
assaulting a former University of Northern Colorado student.
Several current and former UNC students had been subpoenaed to testify in
the high-profile case, which was dropped Wednesday because the alleged
victim no longer wanted to participate.
Justin Hatz, 19, a UNC sophomore from South Dakota, said he questioned the
alleged victim's motives.
"If I was raped, I wouldn't just drop it because I was annoyed," he said.
"That's pretty sketchy."
Joshua Dolias, 22, a sophomore from San Diego, felt the same way. "If it
really meant something and it's huge to you, you're gonna fight it to the
end," he said.
But Kelly Lawrence, 19, a sophomore from Boulder, disagreed.
"I'm sure she was just so scared," Lawrence said. "It takes a lot for a
victim to go to the police in the first place, but when the media is
involved, it makes it worse."
Some students were happy Bryant won't face trial.
"I'm very ecstatic," said Brent Johnson, 19, a freshman from Greeley. Asked
why, he replied, "Because it's Kobe!"
His friend Keasha Brown, 19, a freshman from Denver, was glad, too.
"She seems like a liar who was trying to get money," Brown said of the
alleged victim. "She worked behind a desk. What was she doing in his room?"
UNC's student newspaper, The Mirror, reported Wednesday that 13 people from
northern Colorado had been subpoenaed, including current and former UNC
students and the alleged victim's former boyfriend, Joshua Putnam.
One UNC student who was called to testify is Steve Barga, 22, a former UNC
student from Castle Rock who's taking a break from classes.
He said he was called to testify by both the defense and the prosecution.
"Pretty much there's a big sexual triangle, octagon, multishape between (the
alleged victim) and some of my friends," Barga said. "I was called because
one of my friends was called in for having sexual relations with the alleged
victim less than two months after the alleged incident."
He said he was initially contacted by lawyers prosecuting the case, because
they wanted to compare Barga's story with his friend's story about what
happened between him and the alleged victim. Defense lawyers subpoenaed
Barga next.
Phone calls from the media came in all day Wednesday, once Barga's name was
printed in the Mirror as one of the students subpoenaed. He said he didn't
want to talk further about the case until he's talked to his friend and
knows what will happen with an already-filed civil lawsuit against Bryant.
Kayla Beaird, 19, a UNCsophomore from South Dakota, summed up the reaction
many students had to the entire case.
"I wish I knew who to believe," she said. "I can't say I blame him, because
I don't know what happened. But I can't say I blame her, either."
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She loves sex so we can understand why she continues to have sex. But who
would want to have sex with her?
--
"The Federal Reserve(Banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the
world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who
does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers."
- Congressman Louis McFadden
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote in message news:<chlq22$1ok@dispatch.concentric.net>...
She loves sex so we can understand why she continues to have sex. But who
would want to have sex with her?
Well, since you asked, it was a $20 million piece of poon-tang for
Kobe, and still counting.
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On 8 Sep 2004 08:27:16 -0700, nastygram@hotmail.com (Zeb Quinn) wrote:
"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote in message news:<chlq22$1ok@dispatch.concentric.net>...
Well, since you asked, it was a $20 million piece of poon-tang for
Kobe, and still counting.
Where you got that number from?
Your ass?
For someone who claimed that he/she/it practiced law for 21 years, you
sure look like an idiot when you cannot get your facts straight.
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<upcvj0p8j3n0h2rapl5akvn7v50q1l92cq@4ax.com>...
Well, since you asked, it was a $20 million piece of poon-tang for
Kobe, and still counting.
Where you got that number from?
Your ass?
For someone who claimed that he/she/it practiced law for 21 years, you
sure look like an idiot when you cannot get your facts straight.
To people who have been paying attention, it is generally accepted
that Kobe has spent approximately $20 million thus far in mounting his
defense, which includes the cost of his lawyers and the Kobe Spin
Machine. What's wrong Binky, you didn't get your share of the loot?
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Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
Justin Hatz, 19, a UNC sophomore from South Dakota, said
he questioned the alleged victim's motives.
Joshua Dolias, 22, a sophomore from San Diego, felt the same way.
Oh, yeah -- we ought to listen to two guys who've probably never met a
Presbyterian.
Kobe denied it, then made an admission, and in between the woman's
named was published, a year of her life was stolen, and she got death
threats. But no, two guys named after "Beverly Hills, 90210" stars
think she should have stuck with it.
. . . Keasha Brown, 19, a freshman from Denver, was glad, too. . . .
"She worked behind a desk. What was she doing in his room?"
Uh, she worked BEHIND the desk. She wasn't GLUED TO IT.
"I was called because one of my friends was called in for having
sexual relations with the alleged victim less than two months
after the alleged incident."
Two months?!?! The WHORE!!!
This is a pitiful article, asking idiots for their opinions. And this
is a sad country when, if you're not mating for life, you deserve to
be raped.
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On 9 Sep 2004 07:02:43 -0700, nastygram@hotmail.com (Zeb Quinn) wrote:
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<upcvj0p8j3n0h2rapl5akvn7v50q1l92cq@4ax.com>...
Well, since you asked, it was a $20 million piece of poon-tang for
Kobe, and still counting.
To people who have been paying attention, it is generally accepted
that Kobe has spent approximately $20 million thus far in mounting his
defense, which includes the cost of his lawyers and the Kobe Spin
Machine. What's wrong Binky, you didn't get your share of the loot?
What's wrong, #@($ stain, can't back up your claims?
Once again, where did you get your numbers from?The Inquirer?
Also have you decided what is the latest lie you have for us?
Because in one post you claimed that you have been practicing law for 21
years and in the other you claimed that you have been practicing the law
for 30 years, so which is it, "Binky"?
I am sure that you'll either disappear or come back with another post
like this which has no answer.
Good luck.
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On 9 Sep 2004 12:52:42 -0700, pluto@quentincrisp.com (Walter Blickner)
wrote:
Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
A least they are not pathetic as you and your likes.
Justin Hatz, 19, a UNC sophomore from South Dakota, said
he questioned the alleged victim's motives.
Oh, yeah -- we ought to listen to two guys who've probably never met a
Presbyterian.
There goes your credibility, right there.
Kobe denied it, then made an admission,
Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
and in between the woman's named was published,
It was not done by Kobe, and that doesn't make him a rapist.
a year of her life was stolen,
She stole a year and probably more of Kobe's life, it is only justice
for her to get a taste of her own medicine, especially when she is
lying.
and she got death threats.
Some idiots are out there, don't generalize all people who supported
Kobe to be the same.
For all you know, Kobe received more threats.
What about the T-shirts and the car bumper stickers about Kobe?
Where is your outrage about that?
It looks like you see the world from one side.
But no, two guys named after "Beverly Hills, 90210" stars
think she should have stuck with it.
Or someone like you who has no grasp of all the facts.
. . . Keasha Brown, 19, a freshman from Denver, was glad, too. . . .
"She worked behind a desk. What was she doing in his room?"
Uh, she worked BEHIND the desk. She wasn't GLUED TO IT.
Maybe she should have been.
She was not the employee that usually delivers the room service orders.
She stayed after hours after her shift ended, violating the hotel's own
policy.
She insisted on taking the order to the room herself.
"I was called because one of my friends was called in for having
sexual relations with the alleged victim less than two months
after the alleged incident."
Two months?!?! The WHORE!!!
She slept with three men in less than 24 hours, 2 of them confirmed by
DNA evidence in less than 15 hours.
Yes she is a whore.
You got that part right.
This is a pitiful article, asking idiots for their opinions.
I agree about asking idiots about their opinions, look at your post,
totally missing almost every point or fact in this case.
And thisis a sad country when,
If you don't like it, leave.
if you're not mating for life, you deserve to
be raped.
No one said that.
There was no evidence of rape.
There was not a single word that anyone suggested what you are saying.
It is just your fantasy and lack of understanding of facts.
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If you don't like it, leave.
No one said that.
There was no evidence of rape.
There was not a single word that anyone suggested what you are saying.
It is just your fantasy and lack of understanding of facts.
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:15:01 -0600, "Bill" <Bill@earthlink.com> wrote:
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:15:01 -0600, "Bill" <Bill@earthlink.com> wrote:
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Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
Oh, yeah -- we ought to listen to two guys who've probably never met a
Presbyterian.
Kobe denied it, then made an admission, and in between the woman's
named was published, a year of her life was stolen, and she got death
threats. But no, two guys named after "Beverly Hills, 90210" stars
think she should have stuck with it.
How was her life stolen, when she is still out partying and having sex?
--
"The Federal Reserve(Banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the
world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who
does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers."
- Congressman Louis McFadden
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:15:01 -0600, "Bill" <Bill@earthlink.com> wrote:
Damn, all those sport writers, independent legal analysts the women
group, are Lakers fans too?
You cannot be more stupid than this.
Not so stupid as to have a running love affair with someone named Pauli.
Bwahahahahaaaa.
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:23:04 -0600, "Bill" <Bill@earthlink.com> wrote:
Not so stupid as to have a running love affair with someone named Pauli.
Bwahahahahaaaa.
Awwww, our newest troll doesn't like facts.
You think that I have a "love affair" when I am kicking his/her/its ass?
You prove once again how stupid you are, douche bag.
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:23:04 -0600, "Bill" <Bill@earthlink.com> wrote:
Awwww, our newest troll doesn't like facts.
You think that I have a "love affair" when I am kicking his/her/its ass?
You prove once again how stupid you are, douche bag.
An ass is certainly getting kicked, you are right. What you don't know is
that you are the ass, dumbass.
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in article 75e8f32a.0409091152.6fbadb31@posting.google.com, Walter Blickner
at pluto@quentincrisp.com wrote on 9/9/04 12:52 PM:
Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
Oh, yeah -- we ought to listen to two guys who've probably never met a
Presbyterian.
Kobe denied it, then made an admission, and in between the woman's
named was published, a year of her life was stolen, and she got death
threats. But no, two guys named after "Beverly Hills, 90210" stars
think she should have stuck with it.
Uh, she worked BEHIND the desk. She wasn't GLUED TO IT.
Two months?!?! The WHORE!!!
This is a pitiful article, asking idiots for their opinions. And this
is a sad country when, if you're not mating for life, you deserve to
be raped.
my wife (who it so hapens, was raped) believes the circumstances of the
trial are dubious at best, and if it constitutes a rape, is of such a low
threshhold of violence, etc. as to gravely minimise the effect of the crime
on victims' emotional health.
Flogging dead horses in this case, doesn't do women any favours.
The circumstances were....circumstantial, at best, the details showing a
slim degree of physical injury with apparently very minimal psychological
impairment resulting from this incident- IF it was a crime at all.
The media coverage of this affair, no matter the degree of spin put upon it,
clearly shows the complainant is able to get on with her life, and comes
across as overly vindictive.
Again, this minimises the overall impact rape has on victims- and likely
will continue to, as long as the focus on this incident continues.
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Sports Fan wrote:
Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
sometimes even the President of the
United States must have to stand naked.
- nate
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Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<imt1k0lsfpm23cqbn130cpaiv2s77hfeqh@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:15:01 -0600, "Bill" <Bill@earthlink.com> wrote:
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Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
A least they are not pathetic as you and your likes.
Back it up, buddy. I'll back up mine: you're supporting someone
guilty of adultery and sexual assault.
Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
Uh, no, but HIS ADMISSION does.
Take a look at this: "Although I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view
this incident the same way I did." Let's take out a few words: He
admits that she did NOT see their sexual encounter as CONSENSUAL. A
few more: SHE DIDN'T CONSENT. What do you want to call that? Yeah,
"rapist" seems a little strong. Is there another word for men who
have sex with women without their consent?
and in between the woman's named was published,
It was not done by Kobe, and that doesn't make him a rapist.
I didn't say Kobe did it.
a year of her life was stolen,
She stole a year and probably more of Kobe's life, . . .
I'm so sick of America's armchair quarterbacks. We all think we know
*so* much. Half of America is pissed at this chick for going after
Kobe in the first place, and the other half is pissed that she dropped
the case so early.
Takes some kind of brain to accuse the VICTIM of taking so much time
out of the PERPETRATOR's life.
. . . it is only justice
for her to get a taste of her own medicine, especially when she is
lying.
I haven't heard evidence of lies yet. Could you back this up?
What about the T-shirts and the car bumper stickers about Kobe?
Where is your outrage about that?
First, I heard about ONE bumper sticker, and ONE person who
(allegedly) printed 76 t-shirts. I can't get real outraged over the
actions of TWO people -- especially when the target seems to be
GUILTY.
She was not the employee that usually delivers the room service orders.
She stayed after hours after her shift ended, violating the hotel's own
policy.
She insisted on taking the order to the room herself.
What part of this justifies non-consensual sex? If none of it does,
why are you bringing it up?
She slept with three men in less than 24 hours, 2 of them confirmed by
DNA evidence in less than 15 hours.
Back this up.
I agree about asking idiots about their opinions, look at your post,
totally missing almost every point or fact in this case.
I'll totally change my mind if you offer a SHRED of evidence other
than "He's a great basketball player!" or "She WANTED to go to his
room!"
And this is a sad country when,
If you don't like it, leave.
Okay. I *think* we got your personality down. And your education,
and your income.
There was no evidence of rape.
Give me a quick take on his admission, then.
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Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
Uh, no, but HIS ADMISSION does.
Take a look at this: "Although I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view
this incident the same way I did." Let's take out a few words: He
admits that she did NOT see their sexual encounter as CONSENSUAL. A
few more: SHE DIDN'T CONSENT. What do you want to call that? Yeah,
"rapist" seems a little strong. Is there another word for men who
have sex with women without their consent?
What part of I believe this encounter was consensual, did you not
understand?
The detective stated that when she wanted Kobe to stop, he stopped.
a year of her life was stolen,
I'm so sick of America's armchair quarterbacks. We all think we know
*so* much. Half of America is pissed at this chick for going after
Kobe in the first place, and the other half is pissed that she dropped
the case so early.
Takes some kind of brain to accuse the VICTIM of taking so much time
out of the PERPETRATOR's life.
Her life is so ruined that she continues to party and have sex.
. . . it is only justice
for her to get a taste of her own medicine, especially when she is
lying.
I haven't heard evidence of lies yet. Could you back this up?
Plenty of contradictions in her story.
First she never said no. Then it was changed to, she said no several times.
First the tattoo was on her back. Then she changed it to the ankle.
First there was no oral sex. Then there was.
First she claimed she had sex with her boyfriend 2 days before Kobe.
Prosecutor just revealed, it wasn't the boyfriend she had sex with, but the
bellboy.
First she went back to the front desk to work after she left Kobe's room.
Now it's changed again. Now she ran from his room (even though the night
auditor didn't see it), and ran straight for the exits.
First she knew who Kobe, then she changes it and claims she didn't know.
She claims she didn't have sex after Kobe. The DNA evidence suggests
otherwise.
I'm probably missing a few more.
What about the T-shirts and the car bumper stickers about Kobe?
Where is your outrage about that?
First, I heard about ONE bumper sticker, and ONE person who
(allegedly) printed 76 t-shirts. I can't get real outraged over the
actions of TWO people -- especially when the target seems to be
GUILTY.
Ordered by most of the sheriff's and prosecutor's office.
She slept with three men in less than 24 hours, 2 of them confirmed by
DNA evidence in less than 15 hours.
Back this up.
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040802/NEWS/40802001
It's confirmed she had sex with the bellboy 2 days before Kobe. There's also
semen/sperm of a Mr X on her that doesn't match the bellboy or Kobe.
There was no evidence of rape.
Give me a quick take on his admission, then.
I'll let the judge tell you himself.
"Almost all of the evidence introduced at the preliminary hearing
permits multiple inferences which, when viewed either independently or
collectively, and upon reasonable inference, do not support a finding
of probable cause. Simply put, this court could not make a finding of
probable cause ... absent reliance upon those inferences supportive of
the people's case."
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In article <chsgp1$85h@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Don Tiberone <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote:
Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
What part of I believe this encounter was consensual, did you not
understand?
Oh, so he consented on her behalf.
The detective stated that when she wanted Kobe to stop, he stopped.
Bull.
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in article 75e8f32a.0409100659.7ac9690d@posting.google.com, Walter Blickner
at pluto@quentincrisp.com wrote on 9/10/04 7:59 AM:
Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
Back it up, buddy. I'll back up mine: you're supporting someone
guilty of adultery and sexual assault.
Uh, no, but HIS ADMISSION does.
Take a look at this: "Although I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view
this incident the same way I did." Let's take out a few words: He
admits that she did NOT see their sexual encounter as CONSENSUAL. A
few more: SHE DIDN'T CONSENT. What do you want to call that? Yeah,
"rapist" seems a little strong. Is there another word for men who
have sex with women without their consent?
well, the fact that a rape charge was brought against him, certainly
suggests that she *believes* that consent was not obtained- but his
"admission" as you claim this is, indicates his position is STILL that
consent WAS obtained.
He "admitted" nothing, other than a disagreement over what actually occurred
(duh!)
and in between the woman's named was published,
I didn't say Kobe did it.
a year of her life was stolen,
I'm so sick of America's armchair quarterbacks. We all think we know
*so* much. Half of America is pissed at this chick for going after
Kobe in the first place, and the other half is pissed that she dropped
the case so early.
Takes some kind of brain to accuse the VICTIM of taking so much time
out of the PERPETRATOR's life.
you may well take issue with the Sports Industries, that is your perogative.
But the fact that Kobe is an athlete has no bearing on the Industry- nor
does it indicate that the majority of sports fans can read statements to the
press better than you (though your spin is apallingly biased and as flimsy
as a door made of toilet paper).
I haven't heard evidence of lies yet. Could you back this up?
the one you just made.
First, I heard about ONE bumper sticker, and ONE person who
(allegedly) printed 76 t-shirts. I can't get real outraged over the
actions of TWO people -- especially when the target seems to be
GUILTY.
What part of this justifies non-consensual sex? If none of it does,
why are you bringing it up?
it lends to the extreme possibility of consensual sex, certainly to satisfy
requirements placed upon 'reasonable doubt'.
Back this up.
I'll totally change my mind if you offer a SHRED of evidence other
than "He's a great basketball player!" or "She WANTED to go to his
room!"
i haven't heard any arguments along the lines of his dribbling....
as for wanting to go to his room, i think the evidence supports that theory.
And this is a sad country when,
Okay. I *think* we got your personality down. And your education,
and your income.
ad-hominem (btw; YOUR biases are showing)
Give me a quick take on his admission, then.
he admitted only that they have a disagreement (difference of opinion) as to
that night's occurrences; sorry to inform you, it was NOT a confession.
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in article chsgp1$85h@dispatch.concentric.net, Don Tiberone at
DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net wrote on 9/10/04 8:21 AM:
Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
What part of I believe this encounter was consensual, did you not
understand?
The detective stated that when she wanted Kobe to stop, he stopped.
the person you are responding to thinks that by removing words from a
speech, one can indicate that Kobe is guilty.
Let's try that....
I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual, I recognize now that she does not view
this incident the same way I did."
by the same token, if someone believes themselves to be a victim, does that
always make it so?
It would appear that this line of thinking would require a trial by droening
to determine a person's innocence, or presume a person is guilty JUST
BECAUSE that person was charged of a crime and the only purpose Court would
serve, is to prove the manner in which the crime was committed (18th Century
Anglo-Saxon Law)
She stole a year and probably more of Kobe's life, . . .
I'm so sick of America's armchair quarterbacks. We all think we know
*so* much. Half of America is pissed at this chick for going after
Kobe in the first place, and the other half is pissed that she dropped
the case so early.
Takes some kind of brain to accuse the VICTIM of taking so much time
out of the PERPETRATOR's life.
That should be "alleged"....
Her life is so ruined that she continues to party and have sex.
. . . it is only justice
for her to get a taste of her own medicine, especially when she is
lying.
Plenty of contradictions in her story.
First she never said no. Then it was changed to, she said no several times.
First the tattoo was on her back. Then she changed it to the ankle.
First there was no oral sex. Then there was.
First she claimed she had sex with her boyfriend 2 days before Kobe.
Prosecutor just revealed, it wasn't the boyfriend she had sex with, but the
bellboy.
First she went back to the front desk to work after she left Kobe's room.
Now it's changed again. Now she ran from his room (even though the night
auditor didn't see it), and ran straight for the exits.
First she knew who Kobe, then she changes it and claims she didn't know.
She claims she didn't have sex after Kobe. The DNA evidence suggests
otherwise.
I'm probably missing a few more.
agreed; though you're wasting your time arguing with this one.
What about the T-shirts and the car bumper stickers about Kobe?
Where is your outrage about that?
Ordered by most of the sheriff's and prosecutor's office.
She slept with three men in less than 24 hours, 2 of them confirmed by
DNA evidence in less than 15 hours.
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040802/NEWS/40802001
It's confirmed she had sex with the bellboy 2 days before Kobe. There's also
semen/sperm of a Mr X on her that doesn't match the bellboy or Kobe.
There was no evidence of rape.
I'll let the judge tell you himself.
"Almost all of the evidence introduced at the preliminary hearing
permits multiple inferences which, when viewed either independently or
collectively, and upon reasonable inference, do not support a finding
of probable cause. Simply put, this court could not make a finding of
probable cause ... absent reliance upon those inferences supportive of
the people's case."
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On 10 Sep 2004 11:56:29 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
What part of I believe this encounter was consensual, did you not
understand?
Oh, so he consented on her behalf.
Faber claimed that she didn't know Kobe was a basketball star which
contradicts a detective's report.
So following what Faber said, she regulary sneaks into a strange black
man's room in the middle of the night to do what? Talk about
politics, play chess and drink tea? The whore wanted sex, simple as
that. She voluntarily went to his room. No one force her. She
performs sex acts, and now she wants to get paid. Thats the definition
of a prostitute.
Most civil cases go to settlement, so the whore will get paid
unfortunately. Thats the real crime.
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In article <5678a39d.0409100141.4d4c64ca@posting.google.com>
nini_pad@yahoo.com (michael price) wrote:
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote in message news:<imt1k0lsfpm23cqbn130cpaiv2s77hfeqh@4ax.com>...
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n article <75e8f32a.0409100659.7ac9690d@posting.google.com>
pluto@quentincrisp.com (Walter Blickner) wrote:
Kobe's supporters are the weirdest bunch.
Back it up, buddy. I'll back up mine: you're supporting someone
guilty of adultery and sexual assault.
Where did the guilty of sexual assault come from?
Has the criminal trial gone forward and Kobe got convicted and only you
knew that?
Wake up, the criminal case was dropped because the accuser and the DA
both had no case.
You're supporting a lying whore who has done this before and admitted to
a close friend that she is getting a job in that hotel to trap a
celebrity and had her eyes set on Eminem.
Surprise, most married men who committed adultery try to hide it, that
doesn't make him a rapist.
Uh, no, but HIS ADMISSION does.
He never admitted to anything, read carefully.
Take a look at this: "Although I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view
this incident the same way I did." Let's take out a few words: He
admits that she did NOT see their sexual encounter as CONSENSUAL. A
few more: SHE DIDN'T CONSENT. What do you want to call that? Yeah,
"rapist" seems a little strong. Is there another word for men who
have sex with women without their consent?
Which part of "Although I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual"
Was too hard to read?
You are reading selectively.
The apology was part of the deal.
If the accuse had a case, she would go forward, but it is obvious that
she has no case, just a bunch of lies that cannot stand cross
examination on the witness stand.
She dropped out of the criminal case, and opted to file a civil suite
where it takes much less to win a case.
and in between the woman's named was published,
I didn't say Kobe did it.
You brought it up in the context of saying that Kobe is a rapist.
a year of her life was stolen,
I'm so sick of America's armchair quarterbacks.
Yourself included.
We all think we know *so* much.
As proven by your post.
Half of America is pissed at this chick for going after
Kobe in the first place, and the other half is pissed that she dropped
the case so early.
I was actually shocked to hear it, didn't form an opinion until evidence
came out and while I still think that Kobe is stupid for committing
adultery, but I don't use that to build an opinion about him as a
rapist.
That is something between him and his wife, it's nobody's business.
Takes some kind of brain to accuse the VICTIM of taking so much time
out of the PERPETRATOR's life.
It takes at least a double digit IQ to understand some facts:
1. The accuser had a history in lying, and being a slut, chasing
celebrities.
2. There was no proof that a crime happened in this case.
3. When there is no proof of a crime, you cannot refer to the accuser as
a victim, even the judge agreed.
4. When there is no proof that a crime occurred, you cannot refer to
Kobe as the perpetrator, he is referred to as the accused.
5. The accuser had confessed to close friend that she is planning
something like this.
6. The accuser slept with 3 men in few hours, with Kobe and another
person in less than 15 hours.
7. The accuser said that she is not after the money, she wants Kobe to
be punished for what he did, then she filed a civil suit.
8. The accuser acknowledged that she didn't say no at any time, and when
she told Kobe to stop at the end, he did so immediately.
9. The accuser was chasing Kobe like his shadow, flirting with him all
day, and stayed late, after her shift to find an opportunity to go to
his room, insisted on delivering the room service order herself, despite
the fact that it was ordered out side room service hours.
I could go on forever.
Where have you been all this time?
I suggest that you read about the case a bit before you judge someone.
. . . it is only justice
for her to get a taste of her own medicine, especially when she is
lying.
I haven't heard evidence of lies yet. Could you back this up?
Oh please, read a paper or something.
Her timeline didn't add up, she denied having sex with someone else
after she had sex with Kobe, while DNA exposed her lie.
She denied flirting with Kobe, while witnesses said that she was chasing
him and flirting with him all day.
She said that she was very upset, crying, and physically shaken after
she left Kobe's room, but the night shift manager said that she was not
upset, was not crying, and stayed late,wrapped up her work as usual,
She said that she wanted justice, and wanted Kobe to punished for what
he did, and was not accusing him for money, and then filed a civil law
suit.
The list is growing bigger and bigger.
What about the T-shirts and the car bumper stickers about Kobe?
Where is your outrage about that?
First, I heard about ONE bumper sticker, and ONE person who
(allegedly) printed 76 t-shirts. I can't get real outraged over the
actions of TWO people --
The whole sheriff's office ordered the T-Shirt, there was a motion about
it, go read that on court's own web site and stop building something in
your head based on what YOU heard.
especially when the target seems to be
GUILTY.
Seems to be is NOT proven guilty and convicted.
She was not the employee that usually delivers the room service orders.
She stayed after hours after her shift ended, violating the hotel's own
policy.
She insisted on taking the order to the room herself.
What part of this justifies non-consensual sex?
How exactly did you manage to confirm that it was non consensual sex?
It is basically he said she said.
Your personal opinion doesn't count.
It is consensual until proven otherwise, since she is accusing him and
the burden of proof (surprise) is on the accuser/DA.
If none of it does,
why are you bringing it up?
Because it is consistent with the behavior of someone chasing Kobe
either to have sex with him or to carry out something that she planned
ahead, which her close fiend confirmed that she did.
She slept with three men in less than 24 hours, 2 of them confirmed by
DNA evidence in less than 15 hours.
Back this up.
Where were you?In a cave?
Go read court's own documents about the DNA evidence discovered, and how
the DA fought hard to keep out, and then came back accusing defense of
tampering with evidence and then accused their own CBI lab of
contaminating the evidence, which had most of the experts laughing at
them.
I agree about asking idiots about their opinions, look at your post,
totally missing almost every point or fact in this case.
I'll totally change my mind if you offer a SHRED of evidence other
than "He's a great basketball player!" or "She WANTED to go to his
room!"
I doubt that you will.
You're convinced already based on what YOU heard, and not a single piece
of evidence or facts presented in this case.
You got plenty of evidence in the above, and the rest can be easily
research by going to the court's own web site or searc
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In article <chsird$4dl@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <chsgp1$85h@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Don Tiberone <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote:
Oh, so he consented on her behalf.
No, go back and read the thread before you jumping you fat douche bag.
Walter said that he thinks that Kobe admitted that he raped her, and we
are all saying that he said " I truly believe this encounter between
us was consensual" which blows away the theory that he admitted raping
her.
The detective stated that when she wanted Kobe to stop, he stopped.
Bull.
So you are saying that winters is lying?
You are an idiot.
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In article <oos6k0t29vu652uvc82vpg0mpanh60llb5@4ax.com>,
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote:
1. The accuser had a history in lying, and being a slut, chasing
celebrities.
False.
5. The accuser had confessed to close friend that she is planning
something like this.
False.
6. The accuser slept with 3 men in few hours, with Kobe and another
person in less than 15 hours.
False.
8. The accuser acknowledged that she didn't say no at any time, and when
she told Kobe to stop at the end, he did so immediately.
False.
I could go on forever.
I bet.
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In article <c8u6k0t7rte8mbhur7okqn5ko4ai314pta@4ax.com>,
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote:
The detective stated that when she wanted Kobe to stop, he stopped.
So you are saying that winters is lying?
I'm saying Winters said no such thing.
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In article <chvui9$a9f@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <oos6k0t29vu652uvc82vpg0mpanh60llb5@4ax.com>,
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote:
False.
If she had not been a slut then why prosecutors were fighting to prevent
that history from being entered into evidence?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5499451/
You're not a smart person and it is showing.
If she was not a liar, how come she claimed that he raped her and then
couldn't remember or even say it clearly that she said no?
If she was not liar, the when she claimed that she is not a money whore
and then filed a civil suit, demolishing the criminal case?
You're still an idiot who cannot see these facts.
Some of her friends said that she chased celebrities in the past, and
she admitted to one of them that she got the job at this hotel to be
around celebrities and to trap Eminem.
Get a clue.
5. The accuser had confessed to close friend that she is planning
something like this.
False.
http://www.fratpack.com/article-main.php?id=19
http://www.fratpack.com/article-main.php?id=23
She was on the defense witness list, you damn fat psychopathic #@&@
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6. The accuser slept with 3 men in few hours, with Kobe and another
person in less than 15 hours.
False.
DNA Evidence do not lie.
http://www.theiowachannel.com/nba102/3590802/detail.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/08/31/scorecard0906/
"When Bryant's accuser underwent her medical exam, swabs were taken from
her vagina and thighs. Also, fabric samples were taken from the yellow
underpants she wore to the exam and the purple pair worn during her
encounter with Bryant. Initially, this evidence was analyzed by the
Colorado Bureau of Investigation at the crime lab in Denver, which found
that the pair worn to the exam contained a semen stain belonging to a
man other than Bryant.
The defense subsequently ran its own forensic tests on the underwear and
the swabs collected from the accuser. The analysis was performed by a
private lab in Ventura, Calif., operated by Marc Taylor, a former L.A.
Medical Examiner's Office criminalist who worked as an expert witness
for the O.J. Simpson defense team. Taylor's lab reported that it found
sperm from a man other than Bryant -- identified as Mr. X -- in both
pairs of the accuser's underwear and on the swabs taken from her body.
At a closed-door hearing on June 21 and 22, DNA expert Elizabeth Johnson
testified for the defense that the accuser's sexual contact with Mr. X
"likely occurred after [the accuser] and Mr. Bryant were together."
Johnson testified that no traces of Mr. X's DNA were detected on the
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