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I've only been living in Miami for 3 years and I've already been called for
jury duty twice! I can't believe in a huge metropolitan area with over 2
million people they don't have enough suckers...er...I mean potential
candidates that they have to keep constantly calling the same people up.
Really, I think they need a better system. I know people who have been
living here 30 years and haven't been called twice.
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sick of jury duty wrote:
I've only been living in Miami for 3 years and I've already been called for
jury duty twice! I can't believe in a huge metropolitan area with over 2
million people they don't have enough suckers...er...I mean potential
candidates that they have to keep constantly calling the same people up.
Really, I think they need a better system. I know people who have been
living here 30 years and haven't been called twice.
I like the way we do it in MA - one trial/one day. You go in for a day and
if you're not empaneled then you're off the hook for 3 years. If you are empaneled
you serve on that jury for the duration of the trial which in most cases is 3 days
or less.
No one gets off except mothers with preschoolers.
I've been called 3 times - twice I was let go at 1PM. The last time I sat on a jury
and was done by 4:30. It was pretty interesting - the prosecutor and defense lawyer
certainly weren't any Perry Masons and some of the witnesses had the biggest mouths
and smallest feet :-)
/dan
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sick of jury duty wrote:
I like the way we do it in MA - one trial/one day. You go in for a day and
if you're not empaneled then you're off the hook for 3 years. If you are empaneled
you serve on that jury for the duration of the trial which in most cases is 3 days
or less.
Houston, Texas and Fort Worth, Texas do it similarly, although I
don't think there's a hard rule about the "3 years" part. I believe
you have a definite excuse if you've been called in the last year.
Between those two cities, I think I've been called 6 times in about
35 years.
I have gotten on a panel to listen to a specific case several times.
(sometimes the case settled first, one rape case comes to mind.) I
have never actually been selected for the jury. Probably the most
interesting case (in my opinion) was a civil case: family vs. soft
drink bottler. The family discovered a large lump of clay or
something that looked like half a mouse in their soft drink after
they had drunk half of it. Analysis determined it was not harmful
(full of germs, poison, or something similarly nasty). My opinion
(based on what I did hear before not being selected): the family
probably deserved something but their claims about being afraid to
drink soft drinks again seemed way overblown. My opinion doesn't
count because I was not selected for the jury. I never did find
out how the case turned out. And I never did see the evidence
presented.
No one gets off except mothers with preschoolers.
I hope that isn't true. In Texas while I was sitting in the assembly
room on jury duty they mentioned that people with special problems,
such as being in the intensive care ward, just had to come in and
present their excuse. They didn't answer the question about what
happens if they won't survive coming in to present the excuse. I
also hope they don't let prisoners out of jail for jury duty (Texas
considers that a disqualification - an excuse you *MUST* use, as
distinguished from an excuse you MAY use but are not required to,
like financial hardship or having served in the past year).
Other problems come to mind where they couldn't serve: they are
out of the county and can't return (consider being on the International
Space Station, on the moon, or in quarantine after a biological
weapons release).
Gordon L. Burditt
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Gordon Burditt wrote:
sick of jury duty wrote:
I've only been living in Miami for 3 years and I've already been called for
jury duty twice! I can't believe in a huge metropolitan area with over 2
million people they don't have enough suckers...er...I mean potential
candidates that they have to keep constantly calling the same people up.
Really, I think they need a better system. I know people who have been
living here 30 years and haven't been called twice.
I like the way we do it in MA - one trial/one day. You go in for a day and
if you're not empaneled then you're off the hook for 3 years. If you are empaneled
you serve on that jury for the duration of the trial which in most cases is 3 days
or less.
Houston, Texas and Fort Worth, Texas do it similarly, although I
don't think there's a hard rule about the "3 years" part. I believe
you have a definite excuse if you've been called in the last year.
Between those two cities, I think I've been called 6 times in about
35 years.
I have gotten on a panel to listen to a specific case several times.
(sometimes the case settled first, one rape case comes to mind.) I
have never actually been selected for the jury. Probably the most
interesting case (in my opinion) was a civil case: family vs. soft
drink bottler. The family discovered a large lump of clay or
something that looked like half a mouse in their soft drink after
they had drunk half of it. Analysis determined it was not harmful
(full of germs, poison, or something similarly nasty). My opinion
(based on what I did hear before not being selected): the family
probably deserved something but their claims about being afraid to
drink soft drinks again seemed way overblown. My opinion doesn't
count because I was not selected for the jury. I never did find
out how the case turned out. And I never did see the evidence
presented.
I hope that isn't true. In Texas while I was sitting in the assembly
room on jury duty they mentioned that people with special problems,
such as being in the intensive care ward, just had to come in and
present their excuse. They didn't answer the question about what
happens if they won't survive coming in to present the excuse. I
also hope they don't let prisoners out of jail for jury duty (Texas
considers that a disqualification - an excuse you *MUST* use, as
distinguished from an excuse you MAY use but are not required to,
like financial hardship or having served in the past year).
I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed. You certainly can present a reason for being dismissed
but the judges only dismiss for very good reasons. One good reason is if
you own a business and being on the jury would cause you to close the
business and not pay your workers. A doctor tried to use that argument
to say he would have to close his office but the judge said "no, get
another Dr to cover for you". Basically, the judges will dismiss if your
service would put a burden on someone else in your life. They won't dismiss
because it puts a burden just on you.
Another thing you can do when you get the notice is to request a different
date up to one year in the future.
On thing you can't do is request a different location (unless you're disabled).
There are a half a dozen courts with in 10-20 miles of me but I always get the
courts 40 miles away.
/dan
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Daniel Ganek wrote:
I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed.
I wish that were the case in Indianapolis. I was called twice while
living in Indy, where I was the SAHM to a less than year old child. I
didn't have a babysitter.
I called the court, and they said I better show up, so I took DS to the
jury call. The judge yelled at me both times and told me I'd better
find a baby sitter. We had just moved to town and I wasn't going to
leave my infant with a stranger.
A few years later, we lived in the next county south of Indy, and I was
called again. By that time, DS was in school, and I was 9 months
pregnant. The judge offered to dismiss me if I wanted dismissed, but I
said I would serve it selected. The judge asked who my OB/Gyn was, went
back to his chambers and called his brother/my doctor. The doctor said
he had no problem with it, neither did the lawyers, and I had jury duty.
The judge did seem to give frequent breaks to the jury. I think it was
so that the pregnant juror could go to the bathroom if needed.
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:23:59 -0400, Daniel Ganek <ganek@comcast.net>
wrote:
I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed. You certainly can present a reason for being dismissed
but the judges only dismiss for very good reasons.
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:56:00 -0500, ccbailey
<ccbailey@no-longer-at-kiva.net> wrote:
The judge did seem to give frequent breaks to the jury. I think it was
so that the pregnant juror could go to the bathroom if needed.
"Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now
Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go..."
:)
--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
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The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
In that case, I'd tell them OJ was guilty and Louise Woodward was innocent.
That should work as well as telling them I'm a Software Engineer.
) -Dave
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"Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now
Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go..."
:)
ROTINHELLYOUSADISTICBASTARD!!!
:) -Dave
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I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed. You certainly can present a reason for being dismissed
but the judges only dismiss for very good reasons.
It does seem to me a bit ridiculous that you have to travel to the
courthouse to claim that travel to the courthouse is a {pick one:
financial hardship, medical impossibility (you're on a heart-lung
machine), legal impossibility (e.g. the terms of your parole won't
let you leave some other county), physical impossibility (Hurricane
Francis was here, and the roads are blocked and gas is unavailable
due to power outage)}.
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
I may have been dismissed for that reason (I've never actually been
selected to be on a jury, in half a dozen calls), but I think you
actually have to be assigned to a case and let the attorneys not
pick you before you can leave. Sometimes that runs into a second
day. I find hearing about the cases interesting, though. And yes,
usually they ask your profession. A couple times I got strange
looks from other potential jurors because I brought some specs
written by the National Security Agency to read (with their logo
on the front cover) while waiting. These are totally public documents
about principles of secure systems (and they sent them out free for
the asking), but they still make people nervous.
Get Out Of Jury Duty Kit: bring a noose with you. Hold it high
and chant "Guilty!" under your breath when someone else isn't
actually talking. Pass out glossy advertising brochures from
electric-chair companies (you'll probably have to make these yourself)
to other jurors. Talk about the death penalty for failing to rewind
tapes you return to the video store.
Get out Of Jury Duty And Proceed Directly To Jail Kit: Offer the
judge some weed in full view of the attorneys and prospective jurors.
Make sure he sees you've really got a few pounds of it. Works
especially well if this is a drug case.
Gordon L. Burditt
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:55:21 -0700, Scott en Aztlan
<slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed. You certainly can present a reason for being dismissed
but the judges only dismiss for very good reasons.
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
When I did my time on jury duty I would put down that I was a
technical manager. That guaranteed that I would be placed at or near
the back of the panel. I told my brother who is a lawyer and he told
me that such placement was deliberate.
What a sick joke - I actually wanted to be on a jury.
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:24:10 -0400, "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
In that case, I'd tell them OJ was guilty and Louise Woodward was innocent.
That should work as well as telling them I'm a Software Engineer.
Tell them you intend to use jury nullification if you believe it is
necessary. I doubt they will ever call you again.
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On 9 Sep 2004 17:47:27 GMT, gordonb.2l2q2@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
wrote:
Get Out Of Jury Duty Kit:
Get out Of Jury Duty And Proceed Directly To Jail Kit:
Too much trouble. Just sit there and look intelligent. Or better yet,
ask a couple intelligent questions. You will not get selected.
I read a survey conducted recently which found that fully 80% of the
jury had made up its mind about the verdict right after opening
arguments. Both the state and the defense want people like that on the
jury. Show them that you are capable of critical thinking and they
will not select you.
But the all time best way is tell them you believe in jury
nullification. No way you will ever serve on any jury in Fascist
America.
I worked for a litigation support company which supplied so-called
"expert witnessess", so I have direct experience in this slimy
business. It is at least as corrupt as your worst imaginations.
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Scott en Aztlan wrote:
"Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now
Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go..."
Actually, my wife got a dismissal from a jury duty
summons for a similar reason....
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gordonb.2l2q2@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
Get Out Of Jury Duty Kit: bring a noose with you. Hold it high
and chant "Guilty!" under your breath when someone else isn't
actually talking. Pass out glossy advertising brochures from
electric-chair companies (you'll probably have to make these yourself)
to other jurors. Talk about the death penalty for failing to rewind
tapes you return to the video store.
Sounds like the old Arlo Guthrie method of flunking your army
physical...
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sick of jury duty <so@sick.of.it> wrote:
I've only been living in Miami for 3 years and I've already been called for
jury duty twice! I can't believe in a huge metropolitan area with over 2
million people they don't have enough suckers...er...I mean potential
candidates that they have to keep constantly calling the same people up.
Really, I think they need a better system. I know people who have been
living here 30 years and haven't been called twice.
I don't know how FL's court system works. Here in California you can
be called again as soon as 1 year after your previous service.
Yes, the system is a little weird. They choose people at random out
the pool of potential jurors. That means some people will rarely be
called (possibly even never), while others might get called up every
year or two (for a while). That's a property of any random system.
You can stand in front of a slot machine for weeks, pushing the button
as often as you can, and never get more than a few chips back. Or you
can walk up, push the button twice, and win two jackpots. It's
random. Unpredictable. And weird, unlikely, results happen
sometimes.
By some sort of weird luck, I wasn't called at all for about my first
20 years of eligibility. Then I was called once but got excused
(hardship excuses were easier to get in the 80s). And I wasn't called
again until last year, when I finally had to actually go down and sit
in the waiting room for a day. No actual trial, though. Now I've been
called for jury duty in Federal court.
As for the cost of service, I have some sympathy for those who are
barely making ends meet. As it happens, my employer will pay my
salary for up to two weeks of jury service. If it goes longer than
that, I might have to use some of my savings, but I'm pretty
comfortable there. But I recognize that there are people who make
just barely enough to support themselves (and possibly children), who
don't get paid when they are away from work, and a few missed days
might mean being homeless. There really should be some allowance made
for people like that, but under LA County's new system it's almost
impossible to get excused.
I lean pretty strongly toward the libertarian viewpoint, but this is
one service I don't mind giving the government. And I think it's
desirable that the jury pool be as large as possible.
Look at it from the other point of view. You may be accused of a
crime someday, or you might be injured by somebody's carelessness and
have to sue to get them to pay. Do you want to face a jury that
includes nobody but retired seniors, people living on welfare and/or
unemployment, people like me who work for big companies with liberal
jury service policies, and maybe one or two people who are
independently wealthy? Wouldn't you rather see a jury of people like
you, people who have to work for a living and know what it's like?
Think about that when you are feeling "so@sick.of.it".
--
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and
to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising
liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:55:55 -0700, Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
Scott en Aztlan wrote:
Actually, my wife got a dismissal from a jury duty
summons for a similar reason....
My wife was dismissed from Federal jury duty because she would have missed
an entire year of school if she were selected. Actually she was supposed
to be called later, but they forgot.
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Keith
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:38:36 +0000, joe wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:24:10 -0400, "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
Tell them you intend to use jury nullification if you believe it is
necessary. I doubt they will ever call you again.
I bet you'll not serve this time, but the process is supposed to be
random. OTOH, you may serve some time too. Judges can get pissed over
the littlest things. ;-)
--
Keith
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In misc.legal Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@noyahoospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:23:59 -0400, Daniel Ganek <ganek@comcast.net>
wrote:
I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed. You certainly can present a reason for being dismissed
but the judges only dismiss for very good reasons.
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
Ha! I was on a jury - all but one of us had graduate level education.
--
Diane Blackman
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:55:21 -0700, Scott en Aztlan
<slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:23:59 -0400, Daniel Ganek <ganek@comcast.net>
wrote:
The reason I usually get dismissed is by admitting that I am a
Software Engineer - the attorneys don't want anyone who can reason
logically to be sitting on the jury.
They've never googled your posting history, then.
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In article <Yam%c.91625$0o5.75083@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"sick of jury duty" <so@sick.of.it> wrote:
I've only been living in Miami for 3 years and I've already been called for
jury duty twice! I can't believe in a huge metropolitan area with over 2
million people they don't have enough suckers...er...I mean potential
candidates that they have to keep constantly calling the same people up.
Really, I think they need a better system. I know people who have been
living here 30 years and haven't been called twice.
So what did your local elected representatives say when you called
them to complain?
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Ha! I was on a jury - all but one of us had graduate level education.
--
Diane Blackman
He did say they don't want anyone who can reason logically. -Dave
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:25:14 -0400, "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
"Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now
Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go..."
:)
ROTINHELLYOUSADISTICBASTARD!!!
Oh, is the tune stuck in your head now? ;)
--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
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On 9 Sep 2004 17:47:27 GMT, gordonb.2l2q2@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
wrote:
Get Out Of Jury Duty Kit: bring a noose with you. Hold it high
and chant "Guilty!" under your breath when someone else isn't
actually talking.
Actually, there's an even more sure-fire way: bring your FIJA
membership card to court with you and show it to the judge. ;)
http://www.fija.org/
--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
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On 9 Sep 2004 23:02:16 GMT, TOTE@dog-play.com wrote:
Ha! I was on a jury - all but one of us had graduate level education.
The attorneys ran out of pre-emptive challenges, neh? ;)
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Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
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I just remembered what happened to DH the two times he was called for
jury duty. The same thing happened each time he was called: he walked
in and said "Hello" to someone he had known for years. It was the
defendant in each case, so he was told that he was dismissed.
So, I guess one way of getting out of jury duty is to know (or pretend
to know) the defendent.
We have an acquaintance whose wife is awaiting trial because she
possibly murdered her grandmother a few years ago. (We think she's
guilty cause we know what she's like!) We're in a rural area, and I
just have a feeling that I'm going to get called for jury duty on that
one, even though I won't get to serve. I think it would be interesting
to sit on a jury for a murder trial.
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:20:47 -0500, ccbailey
<ccbailey@no-longer-at-kiva.net> wrote:
So, I guess one way of getting out of jury duty is to know (or pretend
to know) the defendent.
Another way is apparently to have cops and friends (or relatives). The
belief is that if you have close relationships with cops, you are
likely to give their testimony undue weight.
Your honor, did I mention that my brother is a cop in Chicago? :)
--
Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy.
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:44:11 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
Tell them you intend to use jury nullification if you believe it is
necessary. I doubt they will ever call you again.
I bet you'll not serve this time, but the process is supposed to be
random. OTOH, you may serve some time too. Judges can get pissed over
the littlest things. ;-)
If I tell them I am a proponent of jury nullification, I guarantee I
will not serve on a jury.
Judges and prosecutors don't want honest people to serve on juries.
Just ask any lawyer.
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:49:11 -0700, Scott en Aztlan
<slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
On 9 Sep 2004 17:47:27 GMT, gordonb.2l2q2@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
wrote:
Actually, there's an even more sure-fire way: bring your FIJA
membership card to court with you and show it to the judge. ;)
http://www.fija.org/
Better yet, put it down on your card that they give out.
Occupation: FIJA advocate.
You will never be called again, not in this lifetime.
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Barry Gold wrote:
I don't know how FL's court system works. Here in California you can
be called again as soon as 1 year after your previous service.
I was living in California for a while, and for some reason I got
called in for jury duty twice within a few months time. Because I
was on a F-1 visa, and not a citizen or permanent resident, I didn't
have to serve either time, I just sent in a copy of my visa etc.
But even with this information they still felt they needed to try
again. ;)
--
Mikko Peltoniemi
Film & Video Editor, Avid Technician at large.
http://editor.is.dreaming.org
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In article <chn6m2$vmc$1@pcls4.std.com>,
Daniel Ganek <ganek@comcast.net> wrote:
sick of jury duty wrote:
I like the way we do it in MA - one trial/one day. You go in for a day and
if you're not empaneled then you're off the hook for 3 years. If you are
empaneled you serve on that jury for the duration of the trial which in
most cases is 3 days or less.
No one gets off except mothers with preschoolers.
I've been called 3 times - twice I was let go at 1PM. The last time I sat on
a jury and was done by 4:30. It was pretty interesting - the prosecutor and
defense lawyer certainly weren't any Perry Masons and some of the witnesses
had the biggest mouths and smallest feet :-)
Here in Camden County, NJ, its one trial/one day, but a bit different
than in your area. I got called for JD twice in the past few years. The
JD notice comes in the mail and it includes a card to request a one-time
opportunity to reschedule. If you want to reschedule, you simply indicate
that on the form, the reason for the delay, and a preferred date when you
can serve. Then on the night prior to when you're scheduled for JD, you
call a phone number and they tell you if you should come in or not. They
know a day in advance how many people they need so if they already have
enough, the start telling people not to come in the next day.
Its a nice system. Both times I was called for jury duty, I asked for a
one month delay, then the day before my JD was scheduled, I called and
was told that they already had enough jurors for the day so I didn't
even have to go to city hall, and my obligation for jury duty was met.
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In article <chplhf$gfb$1@pcls4.std.com>,
Daniel Ganek <ganek@comcast.net> wrote:
Gordon Burditt wrote:
sick of jury duty wrote:
I've only been living in Miami for 3 years and I've already been called
for
jury duty twice! I can't believe in a huge metropolitan area with over 2
million people they don't have enough suckers...er...I mean potential
candidates that they have to keep constantly calling the same people up.
Really, I think they need a better system. I know people who have been
living here 30 years and haven't been called twice.
I like the way we do it in MA - one trial/one day. You go in for a day and
if you're not empaneled then you're off the hook for 3 years. If you are
empaneled
you serve on that jury for the duration of the trial which in most cases is
3 days
or less.
I should clarify - mothers with preschoolers are practically guaranteed
to be dismissed. You certainly can present a reason for being dismissed
but the judges only dismiss for very good reasons. One good reason is if
you own a business and being on the jury would cause you to close the
business and not pay your workers. A doctor tried to use that argument
to say he would have to close his office but the judge said "no, get
another Dr to cover for you". Basically, the judges will dismiss if your
service would put a burden on someone else in your life. They won't dismiss
because it puts a burden just on you.
In my area, there are lots of reasons to request not to serve on jury
duty, but most are good only as a reason to delay jury duty service such
as being a college student who can't miss class, a professor during the
semester, being out of town, or economic hardship.
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:56:15 +0000, joe wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:44:11 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
Tell them you intend to use jury nullification if you believe it is
necessary. I doubt they will ever call you again.
If I tell them I am a proponent of jury nullification, I guarantee I
will not serve on a jury.
That may be true, but it's no guarantee that you won't spend a night with
free room-n-board for contempt.
Judges and prosecutors don't want honest people to serve on juries. Just
ask any lawyer.
Judges don't like losers either. Do *not* piss off the Judge! YOu won't
like the meal.
--
Keith
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In misc.legal Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@noyahoospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:20:47 -0500, ccbailey
<ccbailey@no-longer-at-kiva.net> wrote:
So, I guess one way of getting out of jury duty is to know (or pretend
to know) the defendent.
Another way is apparently to have cops and friends (or relatives). The
belief is that if you have close relationships with cops, you are
likely to give their testimony undue weight.
Used to be - not anymore. Police officers and attorneys are both
empaneled so their friends and releatives are as well.
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Diane Blackman
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In misc.legal joe <joe@joespam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:44:11 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
Tell them you intend to use jury nullification if you believe it is
necessary. I doubt they will ever call you again.
I bet you'll not serve this time, but the process is supposed to be
random. OTOH, you may serve some time too. Judges can get pissed over
the littlest things. ;-)
If I tell them I am a proponent of jury nullification, I guarantee I
will not serve on a jury.
And this applies to civil trials, how?
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