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Independent Women's Forum applauds dismissal of Kobe case



"s_knight8"
9/7/2004 9:57:35 PM


http://www.iwf.org/articles/article_print.asp?ArticleID=664
WASHINGTON, DC -- The Independent Women's Forum today applauded the
dismissal of the sexual assault charge against Kobe Bryant in Eagle County,
Colorado. Michelle D. Bernard, a senior fellow with the Independent Women's
Forum stated, "Given the facts and circumstances of this case, one can only
state the obvious -- the decision to charge Kobe Bryant with felony sexual
assault when there was a very real question as to whether Bryant and his
accuser engaged in consensual sex was flawed. This case and all that it
implies is a travesty beyond words."
"Bryant's defense attorneys have been harshly judged for raising questions
as to whether his accuser engaged in sex with someone after her encounter
with Bryant and before she went to a hospital exam," said Bernard. "However,
if, as it has been reported, the prosecution's own forensic expert
determined that the accuser's injuries could have been the result of
consensual sex, her sexual activity in the three days surrounding their
encounter was in fact relevant."
"Whether Bryant's accuser had sex with another individual right before or
right after the encounter with Bryant was relevant in determining his guilt
or innocence," Bernard said. "The detection of the semen of another man in
the underwear worn by Bryant's accuser to her rape exam 15 hours after the
encounter with Bryant was relevant in determining Bryant's guilt or
innocence. Whether the semen of 'Mr. X,' as he was referred to by the
prosecution, reflected a sexual encounter that took place near the time of
the encounter with Bryant or was evidence of sexual intercourse that
occurred weeks or even months prior to the encounter with Bryant was
relevant in determining Bryant's guilt or innocence. Answers to these
questions were paramount to Bryant's fundamental right to defend himself and
the jury's ability to make a sound decision on the merits of this case."
Many have argued that the court's finding of relevance in a very limited
sexual history of Bryant's accuser will have a chilling effect on the
willingness of victims of rape to report this horrific crime. "The
perversity of all of this is that the civil case against Bryant for rape is
still pending," said Bernard.
 
 
"Crossbow"
9/9/2007 6:19:34 PM


I believe the vast majority of accused men are innocent but lack the
resources to hire a top level lawyer so they end in prison for a crime never
committed. DNA testing has provided evidence for the release of hundreds of
falsely convicted men, some after many years imprisonment. In none of these
cases was the lying woman held accountable and that's the real crime.


"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:chlouf$1ob@dispatch.concentric.net...

http://www.iwf.org/articles/article_print.asp?ArticleID=664
WASHINGTON, DC -- The Independent Women's Forum today applauded the
dismissal of the sexual assault charge against Kobe Bryant in Eagle
County,
Colorado. Michelle D. Bernard, a senior fellow with the Independent
Women's
Forum stated, "Given the facts and circumstances of this case, one can
only
state the obvious -- the decision to charge Kobe Bryant with felony sexual
assault when there was a very real question as to whether Bryant and his
accuser engaged in consensual sex was flawed. This case and all that it
implies is a travesty beyond words."
"Bryant's defense attorneys have been harshly judged for raising questions
as to whether his accuser engaged in sex with someone after her encounter
with Bryant and before she went to a hospital exam," said Bernard.
"However,
if, as it has been reported, the prosecution's own forensic expert
determined that the accuser's injuries could have been the result of
consensual sex, her sexual activity in the three days surrounding their
encounter was in fact relevant."
"Whether Bryant's accuser had sex with another individual right before or
right after the encounter with Bryant was relevant in determining his
guilt
or innocence," Bernard said. "The detection of the semen of another man in
the underwear worn by Bryant's accuser to her rape exam 15 hours after the
encounter with Bryant was relevant in determining Bryant's guilt or
innocence. Whether the semen of 'Mr. X,' as he was referred to by the
prosecution, reflected a sexual encounter that took place near the time of
the encounter with Bryant or was evidence of sexual intercourse that
occurred weeks or even months prior to the encounter with Bryant was
relevant in determining Bryant's guilt or innocence. Answers to these
questions were paramount to Bryant's fundamental right to defend himself
and
the jury's ability to make a sound decision on the merits of this case."
Many have argued that the court's finding of relevance in a very limited
sexual history of Bryant's accuser will have a chilling effect on the
willingness of victims of rape to report this horrific crime. "The
perversity of all of this is that the civil case against Bryant for rape
is
still pending," said Bernard.
 
 
Day Brown
9/10/2007 1:05:41 PM


On Sep 9, 9:19 pm, "Crossbow" <mr_...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
I believe the vast majority of accused men are innocent but lack the
resources to hire a top level lawyer so they end in prison for a crime never
committed. DNA testing has provided evidence for the release of hundreds of
falsely convicted men, some after many years imprisonment. In none of these
cases was the lying woman held accountable and that's the real crime.
So far, so good. But I also *personally* know of sexual abuse which
never went to court. My queries online over the last 20+ years
suggests that 30% of women could, if need be, testify in court to
sexual abuse that they knew of.
Overwhelmingly, it is men- who the mother has left at home alone with
her kids. I know an attempted rape of a country girl who got to the 12
AWG pump by the back door before her uncle did. And she told me, that
she was ready to blow his ass away right then, but then realized he
was the father of her cousins, who she cared about, and she didnt
wanna see the family on welfare.
This was discussed with the sheriff and the school principle who said
to let it be. The latter didnt want more problem kids in school, and
the former already had his hands full with the confrontations between
various factions of the local gun and knife club.
These kinds of calculations go on a lot. If we locked up all the dudes
who committed sexual abuse, the entire economy would collapse. We need
another social model to deal with this.
 
 
"Jude"
9/10/2007 7:04:37 PM




"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote in message
news:1189454741.022823.61740@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

On Sep 9, 9:19 pm, "Crossbow" <mr_...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
So far, so good. But I also *personally* know of sexual abuse which
never went to court. My queries online over the last 20+ years
suggests that 30% of women could, if need be, testify in court to
sexual abuse that they knew of.
Sexual abuse of women and men is probably the lowest reported crime of all
time.
Overwhelmingly, it is men- who the mother has left at home alone with
her kids. I know an attempted rape of a country girl who got to the 12
AWG pump by the back door before her uncle did. And she told me, that
she was ready to blow his ass away right then, but then realized he
was the father of her cousins, who she cared about, and she didnt
wanna see the family on welfare.
This was discussed with the sheriff and the school principle who said
to let it be. The latter didnt want more problem kids in school, and
the former already had his hands full with the confrontations between
various factions of the local gun and knife club.
These kinds of calculations go on a lot. If we locked up all the dudes
who committed sexual abuse, the entire economy would collapse. We need
another social model to deal with this.
 
 
"Crossbow"
9/20/2007 12:16:31 AM


convicting innocent men does nothing to help abused women. When an innocent
man is convicted his entire family is destroyed and I've seen examples of
that also, even to the third generation. One aquantance was falsely
convicted and was unable to support his family for years. Three of his kids
ended up in prison having been rejected by society and denied an oportunity
for an education or a male role model, plus the alienation of believing
their father was a pervert and the anger at life in general for putting them
in this position. Our society has become obsessed with convictions and
someone has to pay for every crimeinrder to bring closure to the victim and
allow the police to garner credit for solving a crime. Many are not even
given dna tests. I can't say it often enough, punishing inocent men and
destroying their entire families does nothing to help victims of abuse, it
only creates more victims.


"Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote in message
news:qUkFi.88304$jH3.35491@bignews6.bellsouth.net...



"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote in message
news:1189454741.022823.61740@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

Sexual abuse of women and men is probably the lowest reported crime of all
time.
 
 
Music Lover
11/16/2007 8:26:56 AM


On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:16:31 -0700, "Crossbow" <mr__ed@peoplepc.com>
wrote:
convicting innocent men does nothing to help abused women. When an innocent
man is convicted his entire family is destroyed and I've seen examples of
that also, even to the third generation. One aquantance was falsely
convicted and was unable to support his family for years. Three of his kids
ended up in prison having been rejected by society and denied an oportunity
for an education or a male role model, plus the alienation of believing
their father was a pervert and the anger at life in general for putting them
in this position. Our society has become obsessed with convictions and
someone has to pay for every crimeinrder to bring closure to the victim and
allow the police to garner credit for solving a crime. Many are not even
given dna tests. I can't say it often enough, punishing inocent men and
destroying their entire families does nothing to help victims of abuse, it
only creates more victims.
For God's sake will you STOP top posting, you @$#*ing idiot???
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