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"S. O. Damocles"
9/9/2004 3:05:06 PM


EU irked by Turkish adultery law
Turkey's plans to make adultery a crime could affect its chances of joining the
European Union, EU enlargement commissioner Guenter Verheugen says.
The bill, to be presented to parliament next week, may be seen as Islamic law
entering Turkish law, he warned.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a devout Muslim, says the bill will help
protect women from deception.
An EU report due out in October will assess Turkey's progress towards meeting EU
membership criteria.
The adultery law is part of a package of sweeping changes to the penal code,
which include the abolition of torture and the expansion of individual
liberties. The changes are an effort to bring Turkey's legal code into line with
European human rights legislation.
Bad impression
Mr Verheugen, who has spent the last few days touring Turkey, expressed his
concerns in an interview with the Turkish Vatan newspaper.
"If Turkey tries to include crimes that are not in other countries' laws in its
penal code, European Union countries could interpret this as Islamic law
entering Turkish law," he told the paper.
He added that he was not "defending adultery", but said "Turkey should not give
the impression... that it is introducing Islamic elements into its legal system
while engaged in a great project such as the EU".
We think that Turkey should join the EU, but not really accepting ... every
aspect of European society at present
Temel Karamollaoglu,
Islamist Saadet party
Women's groups and liberal commentators have condemned the bill, saying it would
be used against women and pushes the secular Muslim state closer to an Islamic
legal model.
But the main opposition party says it will not challenge it, provided men face
the same penalties as women.
The BBC's Virginia Gidley-Kitchin says adultery used to be illegal in Turkey
until 1996, when the Constitutional Court struck the law down because it
penalised women more than men.
Men were deemed to have been adulterous if they were involved in a long-term
affair; but women could be charged if they were unfaithful only once.
Temel Karamollaoglu, a member of the Islamist Saadet party - which is more
conservative than Mr Erdogan's governing AKP - says the law is necessary to
protect the family and the society.
"At present adultery is accepted as a cause for divorce, and it is not accepted
in society," he told the BBC. "The point is whether it should be punishable or
not.
"We think that Turkey should join the EU, but not really accepting every detail
in the moral value, not every aspect of European society at present. Countries
may have different cultures. I accept European Union as a multi-cultural,
multi-religious society."
Positive
Women's groups plan to demonstrate against the bill when it is presented to
parliament on 14 September.
Canan Arin, of the Women's Rights Centre at the Istanbul Bar Association, says
it is a violation of the constitution protecting individual's privacy.
"Everyone has the right to demand respect for his private and family life," she
said. Ms Arin fears the bill will work against women, as traditional women are
reluctant to complain about their husbands.
"If they bring it, it will provoke honour killings more than ever," she said.
The BBC's Jonny Dymond in Istanbul says Mr Verheugen has given the impression of
enjoying his visit but has stressed that it is the implementation of reforms
that he is most interested in.
He stressed that the use of torture must be punished and he called for further
cultural freedoms for Turkey's large Kurdish community.
According to our correspondent, it seems pretty clear from his more informal
comments and demeanour that Mr Verheugen wants to give Turkey the kind of report
which would boost its membership hopes.
 
 
"PeterL"
9/9/2004 2:28:00 PM


EU enlargement commissioner.
What a title. What does your dad do for a living? He is the enlargement
commissioner.


"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message
news:oy30d.37$Ih1.4020@news.uswest.net...

EU irked by Turkish adultery law
Turkey's plans to make adultery a crime could affect its chances of
joining the
European Union, EU enlargement commissioner Guenter Verheugen says.
The bill, to be presented to parliament next week, may be seen as Islamic
law
entering Turkish law, he warned.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a devout Muslim, says the bill will
help
protect women from deception.
An EU report due out in October will assess Turkey's progress towards
meeting EU
membership criteria.
The adultery law is part of a package of sweeping changes to the penal
code,
which include the abolition of torture and the expansion of individual
liberties. The changes are an effort to bring Turkey's legal code into
line with
European human rights legislation.
Bad impression
Mr Verheugen, who has spent the last few days touring Turkey, expressed
his
concerns in an interview with the Turkish Vatan newspaper.
"If Turkey tries to include crimes that are not in other countries' laws
in its
penal code, European Union countries could interpret this as Islamic law
entering Turkish law," he told the paper.
He added that he was not "defending adultery", but said "Turkey should not
give
the impression... that it is introducing Islamic elements into its legal
system
while engaged in a great project such as the EU".
We think that Turkey should join the EU, but not really accepting ...
every
aspect of European society at present
Temel Karamollaoglu,
Islamist Saadet party
Women's groups and liberal commentators have condemned the bill, saying it
would
be used against women and pushes the secular Muslim state closer to an
Islamic
legal model.
But the main opposition party says it will not challenge it, provided men
face
the same penalties as women.
The BBC's Virginia Gidley-Kitchin says adultery used to be illegal in
Turkey
until 1996, when the Constitutional Court struck the law down because it
penalised women more than men.
Men were deemed to have been adulterous if they were involved in a
long-term
affair; but women could be charged if they were unfaithful only once.
Temel Karamollaoglu, a member of the Islamist Saadet party - which is more
conservative than Mr Erdogan's governing AKP - says the law is necessary
to
protect the family and the society.
"At present adultery is accepted as a cause for divorce, and it is not
accepted
in society," he told the BBC. "The point is whether it should be
punishable or
not.
"We think that Turkey should join the EU, but not really accepting every
detail
in the moral value, not every aspect of European society at present.
Countries
may have different cultures. I accept European Union as a multi-cultural,
multi-religious society."
Positive
Women's groups plan to demonstrate against the bill when it is presented
to
parliament on 14 September.
Canan Arin, of the Women's Rights Centre at the Istanbul Bar Association,
says
it is a violation of the constitution protecting individual's privacy.
"Everyone has the right to demand respect for his private and family
life," she
said. Ms Arin fears the bill will work against women, as traditional women
are
reluctant to complain about their husbands.
"If they bring it, it will provoke honour killings more than ever," she
said.
The BBC's Jonny Dymond in Istanbul says Mr Verheugen has given the
impression of
enjoying his visit but has stressed that it is the implementation of
reforms
that he is most interested in.
He stressed that the use of torture must be punished and he called for
further
cultural freedoms for Turkey's large Kurdish community.
According to our correspondent, it seems pretty clear from his more
informal
comments and demeanour that Mr Verheugen wants to give Turkey the kind of
report
which would boost its membership hopes.
 
 
Sports Fan
9/9/2004 5:45:23 PM


On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:05:06 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
EU irked by Turkish adultery law
Turkey's plans to make adultery a crime could affect its chances of joining the
European Union, EU enlargement commissioner Guenter Verheugen says.
The bill, to be presented to parliament next week, may be seen as Islamic law
entering Turkish law, he warned.
So move to Turkey, live there and see how they treat women there, and
then comeback and see what a blessing it is to live in the USA.
See how they treat whore and skanks like you, if you are taking their
laws as a way of life for you, you racist scumbag.
 
 
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