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DENVER (AP) -- Attorneys for Kobe Bryant have won the first round in their
bid to permanently seal documents and evidence from the sexual assault case
against the NBA star.
In a ruling late Wednesday, District Judge Richard Hart approved an
emergency request from defense attorney Pamela Mackey, who said Bryant would
``suffer real, immediate and irreparable injury'' if the records were
released.
At least six requests had been filed seeking access to the records after
prosecutors last week dismissed the case at the request of the 20-year-old
alleged victim, Mackey said. Among those requests was one from The
Associated Press.
The evidence includes recordings and transcripts of Bryant's interview with
sheriff's investigators the night after the alleged attack at a Vail-area
resort last summer and several hundred sealed court filings.
``No member of the public or media should be permitted to manipulate and
abuse for salacious and other improper purposes the evidence, audio
recordings and other materials in this case,'' Mackey said. ``This case is
over. Mr. Bryant is innocent. He should be permitted to move on with his
life.''
In granting a temporary restraining order, Hart prohibited various agencies
and attorneys from disclosing any documents or other items related to the
criminal case. He said the temporary order would remain in effect until
Sept. 18 or he rules on Mackey's request.
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DENVER (AP) -- Attorneys for Kobe Bryant have won the first round in their
bid to permanently seal documents and evidence from the sexual assault case
against the NBA star.
In a ruling late Wednesday, District Judge Richard Hart approved an
emergency request from defense attorney Pamela Mackey, who said Bryant would
``suffer real, immediate and irreparable injury'' if the records were
released.
At least six requests had been filed seeking access to the records after
prosecutors last week dismissed the case at the request of the 20-year-old
alleged victim, Mackey said. Among those requests was one from The
Associated Press.
The evidence includes recordings and transcripts of Bryant's interview with
sheriff's investigators the night after the alleged attack at a Vail-area
resort last summer and several hundred sealed court filings.
``No member of the public or media should be permitted to manipulate and
abuse for salacious and other improper purposes the evidence, audio
recordings and other materials in this case,'' Mackey said. ``This case is
over. Mr. Bryant is innocent. He should be permitted to move on with his
life.''
In granting a temporary restraining order, Hart prohibited various agencies
and attorneys from disclosing any documents or other items related to the
criminal case. He said the temporary order would remain in effect until
Sept. 18 or he rules on Mackey's request.
I don't understand this "sealing of documents" that seems to occur when the
wealthy are in court. How much does it cost? Why isn't this offered to
your average citizen? Besides, if Kobe is "innocent" as Macckey claims,
what's he worried about? He's going to suffer "real, immediate and
irreparable injury"....from what? What's in those documents that he doesn't
want us to see?
Otter
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in article BD6699B7.748A%otter@oceanside.com, otter at otter@oceanside.com
wrote on 9/9/04 10:37 PM:
I don't understand this "sealing of documents" that seems to occur when the
wealthy are in court. How much does it cost? Why isn't this offered to
your average citizen? Besides, if Kobe is "innocent" as Macckey claims,
what's he worried about? He's going to suffer "real, immediate and
irreparable injury"....from what? What's in those documents that he doesn't
want us to see?
Private stuff about both of them. Good grief, think for a minute!
George Evans
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otter wrote:
I don't understand this "sealing of documents" that seems to occur when the
wealthy are in court. How much does it cost? Why isn't this offered to
your average citizen? Besides, if Kobe is "innocent" as Macckey claims,
what's he worried about? He's going to suffer "real, immediate and
irreparable injury"....from what? What's in those documents that he doesn't
want us to see?
Why don't more people live in glass houses, if they're supposedly not
doing anything illegal?
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In article <BD66ACFF.1E91%georgee@pe.net>,
George Evans <georgee@pe.net> wrote:
in article BD6699B7.748A%otter@oceanside.com, otter at otter@oceanside.com
wrote on 9/9/04 10:37 PM:
Private stuff about both of them. Good grief, think for a minute!
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the evidence.
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In article <BD66ACFF.1E91%georgee@pe.net>,
George Evans <georgee@pe.net> wrote:
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the
evidence.
Your posts have degenerated into desperation, denial, and all out pathetic
obsession.
I'm enjoying reading them at your expense. Thanks.
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tjab <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:chscgf$iec@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
In article <BD66ACFF.1E91%georgee@pe.net>,
George Evans <georgee@pe.net> wrote:
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the
evidence.
Is that why they tried desperately to keep all the DNA evidence out?
Not to mention all the other records they wanted sealed, like the text
messages.
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"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote
Private stuff about both of them. Good grief, think for a minute!
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the
evidence.
It would be funny if the Court didn't learn how to handle the material until
the opportunity for trial had passed.
What kind of 'shield' is this called? Will we have the same outcry for
disclosure when the gag order is no longer in effect and the accuser's story
can be told?
Why gag the only side of the story left untold, if Kobe is innocent of the
tort he's complained of? Kobe can't be too worried about the tape,
considering he starts from the position of speaking with a law enforcement
officer- knowing that it's in the context of a criminal investigation.
His best explanation for his 'misunderstanding' about consent is his
(purported) statement about 'It's my thing; that's what I do', and it's
characterization as a degrading act.
He'll wear out a new Bic pen writing zeros on that check.
Chas
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On 10 Sep 2004 10:08:15 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <BD66ACFF.1E91%georgee@pe.net>,
George Evans <georgee@pe.net> wrote:
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the evidence.
of course you mean besides the motion to conduct the civil case
anonomously as jane doe.
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"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote
Private stuff about both of them. Good grief, think for a minute!
It would be funny if the Court didn't learn how to handle the material
until the opportunity for trial had passed.
What kind of 'shield' is this called? Will we have the same outcry for
disclosure when the gag order is no longer in effect and the accuser's
story can be told?
Why gag the only side of the story left untold, if Kobe is innocent of the
tort he's complained of? Kobe can't be too worried about the tape,
considering he starts from the position of speaking with a law enforcement
officer- knowing that it's in the context of a criminal investigation.
His best explanation for his 'misunderstanding' about consent is his
(purported) statement about 'It's my thing; that's what I do', and it's
characterization as a degrading act.
He'll wear out a new Bic pen writing zeros on that check.
Chas
Somehow I get the feeling that Bryant being African American and the lying
alleged victim being a white girl is what bothers you the most about this
whole thing.
Why don't you have the balls to admit that you are a racist already or are
you too much of a pussy to say it as it is?
Get a life you poor obsessed excuse for a man. Maybe some time spent outside
your trailer park might do you some good. And I don't mean your weekly Klan
get together.
"Oh that Bic pen and yeah all those zeros...oh boy do I feel so much better
now...even though the case fell through the toilet and was dismissed...even
though I totally look like a desperate obsessed retard in denial...I'll tell
you what...I secretly wish it were me he bent over that chair..."
ROFL
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the
evidence.
Is that why they tried desperately to keep all the DNA evidence out?
700 pleadings; most from the defense, to exclude evidence.
Not to mention all the other records they wanted sealed, like the text
messages.
The stately dance requires that adversarial attorneys explore all of the
technical aspects of law as well as the more material evidentiary ones.
Viewed objectively, Kobe had more evidence to suppress, and more reason to
do so than did the accuser. The prosecution had to deal with the credibility
of a 19 yr.old coed type- the defense to deal with physical evidence of the
event itself (as opposed to her possible behaviour after the event),
immediate outcry witnesses (multiple), and her obduracy about the veracity
of the charges even in light of public humiliation, death threats to herself
and her family, stalkers and zealous starsimpletons.
But; as they say; that was then, this is now.
No need to conceal the evidence of his innocence. He was confident going
into trial to prove his position. The apology was just a charitable gesture
on his part in the spirit of a gentleman's polity and good sportsmanship,
yes?
Open the record; we paid for it, let's see what we bought.
Chas
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in article chscgf$iec@rac1.wam.umd.edu, tjab at tjab@wam.umd.edu wrote on
9/10/04 7:08 AM:
In article <BD66ACFF.1E91%georgee@pe.net>,
George Evans <georgee@pe.net> wrote:
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the evidence.
If they knew what was best for the accuser they would. After watching Lin
Wood in a couple of interviews I am thinking he's more foolish than
Hurlbert.
George Evans
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in article IYqdncLS3JdDI9zcRVn-ug@comcast.com, Chas at
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net wrote on 9/10/04 7:49 AM:
"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote
Private stuff about both of them. Good grief, think for a minute!
It would be funny if the Court didn't learn how to handle the material until
the opportunity for trial had passed. What kind of 'shield' is this called?
Will we have the same outcry for disclosure when the gag order is no longer in
effect and the accuser's story can be told? Why gag the only side of the story
left untold, if Kobe is innocent of the tort he's complained of? Kobe can't be
too worried about the tape, considering he starts from the position of
speaking with a law enforcement officer- knowing that it's in the context of a
criminal investigation. His best explanation for his 'misunderstanding' about
consent is his (purported) statement about 'It's my thing; that's what I do',
and it's characterization as a degrading act. He'll wear out a new Bic pen
writing zeros on that check.
I think you are the one who described it as a degrading act. How did that
become a part of the evidence?
George Evans
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in article ALydnd0xpLX7R9zcRVn-hQ@comcast.com, Chas at
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net wrote on 9/10/04 9:46 AM:
"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the
evidence.
700 pleadings; most from the defense, to exclude evidence.
The stately dance requires that adversarial attorneys explore all of the
technical aspects of law as well as the more material evidentiary ones. Viewed
objectively, Kobe had more evidence to suppress, and more reason to do so than
did the accuser. The prosecution had to deal with the credibility of a 19
yr.old coed type- the defense to deal with physical evidence of the event
itself (as opposed to her possible behaviour after the event), immediate
outcry witnesses (multiple), and her obduracy about the veracity of the
charges even in light of public humiliation, death threats to herself and her
family, stalkers and zealous starsimpletons. But; as they say; that was then,
this is now.
What obduracy? She backed out! And she backed out shortly after Hurlbert's
appeal to the Supreme Court was denied and immediately after the Defense
filed motion for dismissal on the grounds that the Prosecution had concealed
the reason Baden was not on the team any more. Coincidence?
No need to conceal the evidence of his innocence. He was confident going into
trial to prove his position. The apology was just a charitable gesture on his
part in the spirit of a gentleman's polity and good sportsmanship, yes? Open
the record; we paid for it, let's see what we bought.
If you care about this girl you should realize that she is protected by this
sealing at least as much as he is. The reason for the evidence is over. Let
it go!
George Evans
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"George Evans" <georgee@pe.net> wrote
.....and her obduracy about the veracity of the
charges even in light of public humiliation, death threats to herself and
her
family, stalkers and zealous starsimpletons. But; as they say; that was
then,
this is now.
What obduracy? She backed out!
After a year of the most virulent vilification, death threats- to both
herself and her family; stalkers, looney fans, the failure of the Court to
safeguard her rights, and simultaneously gagging her defense to the attacks.
She only backed out of marching in the Clown Parade in Eagle County.
.... And she backed out shortly after Hurlbert's
appeal to the Supreme Court was denied and immediately after the Defense
filed motion for dismissal on the grounds that the Prosecution had
concealed
the reason Baden was not on the team any more. Coincidence?
She goes forward with the civil case, fullknowing that all these points will
be raised. Remember, in fact, that Baden only speaks to the evidence of some
event purportedly after the assault.
If you care about this girl you should realize that she is protected by
this
sealing at least as much as he is. The reason for the evidence is over.
Let
it go!
Her life was laid bare deliberately- to intimidate her. She has nothing to
'protect'; least of all to help him out.
Sealing the evidence would be to conceal evidence for use in the civil trial
as well- unless some exception is found.
No wonder Kobe wants to hide the relevant stuff-
Chas
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In article <BD6734FF.1EE2%georgee@pe.net>,
George Evans <georgee@pe.net> wrote:
If you care about this girl you should realize that she is protected by this
sealing at least as much as he is. The reason for the evidence is over. Let
it go!
Do I catch a whiff of desperation in your plea?
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in article CsWdnTRNPJOCmN_cRVn-gw@comcast.com, Chas at
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net wrote on 9/10/04 12:48 PM:
"George Evans" <georgee@pe.net> wrote
.....and her obduracy about the veracity of the charges even in light of
public humiliation, death threats to herself and her family, stalkers and
zealous starsimpletons. But; as they say; that was then, this is now.
After a year of the most virulent vilification, death threats- to both herself
and her family; stalkers, looney fans, the failure of the Court to safeguard
her rights, and simultaneously gagging her defense to the attacks. She only
backed out of marching in the Clown Parade in Eagle County.
She reminds me of a joke I heard. Three women adrift in a boat. Brunette
spots land and swims about a quarter of the way and drowns. Redhead dives in
and makes it about half way and drowns. The blonde, after taking all this
in, dives in and swims three quarters of the way to land but is getting
tired so she turns around and heads back to the boat.
.... And she backed out shortly after Hurlbert's appeal to the Supreme Court
was denied and immediately after the Defense filed motion for dismissal on
the grounds that the Prosecution had concealed the reason Baden was not on
the team any more. Coincidence?
She goes forward with the civil case, fullknowing that all these points will
be raised. Remember, in fact, that Baden only speaks to the evidence of some
event purportedly after the assault.
No, Baden was testifying about the injuries being consistent with
consensual sex.
If you care about this girl you should realize that she is protected by this
sealing at least as much as he is. The reason for the evidence is over. Let
it go!
Her life was laid bare deliberately- to intimidate her. She has nothing to
'protect'; least of all to help him out. Sealing the evidence would be to
conceal evidence for use in the civil trial as well- unless some exception is
found. No wonder Kobe wants to hide the relevant stuff-
Mark Twain said it's better to not say anything and let people think you're
an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Katelyn should keep
quiet and let people wonder if she could be so loose and dishonest as it
appears.
George Evans
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in article cht2cb$c63@rac1.wam.umd.edu, tjab at tjab@wam.umd.edu wrote on
9/10/04 1:21 PM:
In article <BD6734FF.1EE2%georgee@pe.net>, George Evans <georgee@pe.net>
wrote:
Do I catch a whiff of desperation in your plea?
No desperation here. I'm looking forward to the civil trial where Kobe will
be victorious again.
George Evans
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"George Evans" <georgee@pe.net> wrote
No, Baden was testifying about the injuries being consistent with
consensual sex.
Testifying that they *might be*; that it was within the realm of
possibility. His theory primarily predicated on the supposition that she
might have had intimacy with someone else- an accusation her lawyers deny,
and are prepared to address in civil trial.
Mark Twain said it's better to not say anything and let people think
you're
an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Katelyn should
keep
quiet and let people wonder if she could be so loose and dishonest as it
appears.
I think she'll have her say in the civil trial- and Kobe will pay dearly for
it.
Just an opinion.
Chas
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in article H4ydnVP24_GfDN_cRVn-ow@comcast.com, Chas at
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net wrote on 9/10/04 10:45 PM:
"George Evans" <georgee@pe.net> wrote
Testifying that they *might be*; that it was within the realm of
possibility. His theory primarily predicated on the supposition that she
might have had intimacy with someone else- an accusation her lawyers deny,
and are prepared to address in civil trial.
I don't know that his opinion was even predicated on multiple partners,
where did you hear that?
Mark Twain said it's better to not say anything and let people think you're
an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Katelyn should keep
quiet and let people wonder if she could be so loose and dishonest as it
appears.
I think she'll have her say in the civil trial- and Kobe will pay dearly for
it. Just an opinion.
I think she'll have her say and remove all doubt. Also just an opinion.
George Evans
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"George Evans" <georgee@pe.net> wrote
I don't know that his opinion was even predicated on multiple partners,
where did you hear that?
Geez; who knows? There's a huge body of information out there now.
His analysis of her injuries admitted of the bruising and small abrasions,
but looked at them in the light of three partners in a short time. The idea
of multiple partners was the whole basis for his opinion.
The idea that 'rough sex' is so common as to be part of a consent to other
activities is stretching 'reasonable doubt', in my opinion.
I think she'll have her say in the civil trial- and Kobe will pay dearly
for
it. Just an opinion.
I think she'll have her say and remove all doubt. Also just an opinion.
I have to say that the fact that she's convinced Lin Wood- to present a
civil suit- is very compelling as to her ability to refute the obvious
questions. His firm is every bit the equal of Haddon Firm- witness his work
on the Ramsey case. He doesn't get on board just to take a ride.
Chas
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DENVER (AP) -- Attorneys for Kobe Bryant have won the first round in their
bid to permanently seal documents and evidence from the sexual assault
case
against the NBA star.
Hmmm, why would an innocent man want the evidence in his case permanently
sealed? Doesn't that sort of behavior go against the premise that you're
innocent?
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DENVER (AP) -- Attorneys for Kobe Bryant have won the first round in
their
bid to permanently seal documents and evidence from the sexual assault
case
Hmmm, why would an innocent man want the evidence in his case permanently
sealed? Doesn't that sort of behavior go against the premise that you're
innocent?
Not really, considering the judge who saw the evidence, said he could find
no probable cause. Not to mention the prosecution's own hired experts
weren't impressed with the evidence.
Basically, Kobe doesn't want the tape to come out because he pretty much
admits to having sex with other women.
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In article <chvb6a$85b@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Don Tiberone <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZmFlcXBpBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
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DENVER (AP) -- Attorneys for Kobe Bryant have won the first round in
their
bid to permanently seal documents and evidence from the sexual assault
Not really, considering the judge who saw the evidence, said he could find
no probable cause.
Not what he said.
Not to mention the prosecution's own hired experts
weren't impressed with the evidence.
That's quite a stretch from Baden saying her injuries didn't
necessarily prove rape in and of themselves.
Basically, Kobe doesn't want the tape to come out because he pretty much
admits to having sex with other women.
"Pretty much?"
And his wife doesn't know this yet? What's her address?
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tjab <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:chve84$mqp@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
Not really, considering the judge who saw the evidence, said he could
find
no probable cause.
Not what he said.
Sure he did.
"Almost all of the evidence introduced at the preliminary hearing
permits multiple inferences which, when viewed either independently or
collectively, and upon reasonable inference, do not support a finding
of probable cause. Simply put, this court could not make a finding of
probable cause ... absent reliance upon those inferences supportive of
the people's case."
Not to mention the prosecution's own hired experts
weren't impressed with the evidence.
That's quite a stretch from Baden saying her injuries didn't
necessarily prove rape in and of themselves.
No wonder the prosecution DROPPED him from the case after he wouldn't agree
with them, eh?
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In article <chvfa5$85e@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Don Tiberone <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote:
tjab <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:chve84$mqp@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
Not really, considering the judge who saw the evidence, said he could
find
no probable cause.
Sure he did.
"Almost all of the evidence introduced at the preliminary hearing
permits multiple inferences which, when viewed either independently or
collectively, and upon reasonable inference, do not support a finding
of probable cause. Simply put, this court could not make a finding of
probable cause ... absent reliance upon those inferences supportive of
the people's case."
Not all of the evidence was introduced at the preliminary hearing.
Not to mention the prosecution's own hired experts
weren't impressed with the evidence.
That's quite a stretch from Baden saying her injuries didn't
necessarily prove rape in and of themselves.
No wonder the prosecution DROPPED him from the case after he wouldn't agree
with them, eh?
Do you think the defense will call him in the civil trial? I don't.
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tjab <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:chvghc$pa1@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
In article <chvfa5$85e@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Don Tiberone <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote:
Not all of the evidence was introduced at the preliminary hearing.
Hello? The prosecution is already babbling about the case and has revealed
nothing new. The judge heard the tape, he saw the shirt, saw the "injuries".
The evidence has been getting worse for the prosecution since the
preliminary hearing. The judge didn't even hear the text messages. Nor did
he know of the semen on her neck, thigh, and inside her. That stuff was
revealed after the preliminary hearing.
Not to mention the prosecution's own hired experts
weren't impressed with the evidence.
That's quite a stretch from Baden saying her injuries didn't
necessarily prove rape in and of themselves.
No wonder the prosecution DROPPED him from the case after he wouldn't
agree
with them, eh?
Do you think the defense will call him in the civil trial? I don't.
Nobody knows. Most likely he will simply repeat what the Defense's own
expert will have to say. Having the prosecution's former expert back what
they say, wouldn't hurt.
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world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who
does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers."
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"Chris" <RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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case
Hmmm, why would an innocent man want the evidence in his case permanently
sealed? Doesn't that sort of behavior go against the premise that you're
innocent?
You are being disingenous at best, dishonest at worst. Are you a
dishonest liar? Yes, he claims he is innocent of rape, he does not
claim he is innocent of adultery.
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In article <chscgf$iec@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the evidence.
When they file a motion to leave accuser's nasty medical and sexual
histories out of the civil case, I am sure you will find a way to
justify that.
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
Funny, I don't see the accuser's lawyer's rushing to try to seal the
700 pleadings; most from the defense, to exclude evidence.
I guess you missed this, as usual
http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040428/NEWS/104280005
"Ruckriegle pointed out to the alleged victim's attorney, John Clune,
that some of the delays are self-inflicted. He said it's unusual for an
alleged victim to have her own attorney and each time Clune files a
motion, the judge has to hold a hearing and issue a ruling on it."
Which means that tons of motions were filed, and there were motions by
the accuser's own attorney.
Was the 700 number taken from a reliable source, or just like the rest
of your posts, out of your own ass?
Please post the source of that number.
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:00:03 GMT,
In article <naG0d.35125$w_4.5599497@twister.tampabay.rr.com>
"Chris" <RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZmFlcXBpBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
case
Hmmm, why would an innocent man want the evidence in his case permanently
sealed? Doesn't that sort of behavior go against the premise that you're
innocent?
Because they could be blown out or proportion, and can be used to poison
the jury, especially in a civil case where the burden of proof is much
less enforced.
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Basically, Kobe doesn't want the tape to come out because he pretty much
admits to having sex with other women.
Hmmm...why would anyone bring evidence of Kobe's promiscuity to a rape
trial? Isn't that just playing dirty?
;-)
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in article e7ydneCHD91Vnt7cRVn-vA@comcast.com, Chas at
chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net wrote on 9/11/04 6:55 AM:
"George Evans" <georgee@pe.net> wrote
Geez; who knows? There's a huge body of information out there now. His
analysis of her injuries admitted of the bruising and small abrasions, but
looked at them in the light of three partners in a short time. The idea of
multiple partners was the whole basis for his opinion. The idea that 'rough
sex' is so common as to be part of a consent to other activities is stretching
'reasonable doubt', in my opinion.
I'm not disputing that numbers of partners and roughness are a part of the
discussion, but I am questioning whether Baden's opinion assumed these as
opposed to normal consensual sex.
I think she'll have her say in the civil trial- and Kobe will pay dearly for
it. Just an opinion.
I think she'll have her say and remove all doubt. Also just an opinion.
I have to say that the fact that she's convinced Lin Wood- to present a
civil suit- is very compelling as to her ability to refute the obvious
questions. His firm is every bit the equal of Haddon Firm- witness his work
on the Ramsey case. He doesn't get on board just to take a ride.
OK, whatever.
George Evans
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in article naG0d.35125$w_4.5599497@twister.tampabay.rr.com, Chris at
RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com wrote on 9/11/04 10:00 AM:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZmFlcXBpBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
Hmmm, why would an innocent man want the evidence in his case permanently
sealed? Doesn't that sort of behavior go against the premise that you're
innocent?
If you like pulling out and shooting all over your partner's tits do you
necessarily want the whole world knowing even though it's innocent?
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