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Six-year prison term for gun-rights activist
Threats to judges called 'an assault' on justice system
By Julie Poppen, Rocky Mountain News
September 11, 2004
BRIGHTON - Gun-rights activist Rick Stanley, a Denver businessman and former
Libertarian candidate for the U.S. Senate, was sentenced to six years in prison
Friday for threatening two judges.
Stanley, 49, owner of Stanley Fastener & Shop Supply in northeast Denver, was
taken from Adams County District Court in handcuffs.
"When you really analyze it, this is an assault on the very system of justice in
this country," said presiding Judge Joseph R. Quinn, a retired state Supreme
Court justice.
Stanley's attorney, Brett Davies, said the punishment was "worse" than expected.
"They've made a monster out of him," Davies said.
In addition to prison time - three years each for the two judges - Stanley was
sentenced to six years of mandatory parole and ordered to pay $10,000 in fines,
plus $8,250 restitution to police who worked overtime to protect the judges.
Quinn set an $80,000 bond and said Stanley must be monitored by the court until
his appeal is resolved.
Unlike previous court appearances, in which hallways and doorways were crowded
with police and a SWAT team and metal detectors were deployed, there was no
extra security at the courthouse Friday.
Davies gave the judge 89 letters of support for Stanley "attesting to his good
moral character." "Free Rick Stanley" signs dotted roadways.
Stanley was found guilty in late June of two felony counts of attempting to
influence a public official. He was accused of sending Thornton Municipal Judge
Charles J. Rose and 17th Judicial District Judge Donald W. Marshall Jr. a
"notice of order" demanding that they reverse his conviction for a weapons
violation or face arrest by Stanley's Mutual Defense Pact Militia and a trial
for treason.
Rose had convicted Stanley and sentenced him to 90 days in jail for carrying a
firearm onto public property while campaigning in 2002 in Thornton. Marshall
upheld the conviction when Stanley appealed.
Stanley argued that his sentence and record should have have been voided after
Gov. Bill Owens signed a law limiting local governments from regulating
firearms.
Stanley also was arrested in Denver in 2001 for carrying a loaded handgun in a
holster at a Bill of Rights rally. In June, Stanley's home and business were
raided by the Internal Revenue Service.
"I think Rick Stanley in prison is where Rick Stanley belongs," said Adams
County District Attorney Robert Grant.
Stanley spoke before the sentencing.
"I was violated by men who have no honor or integrity," Stanley said. "The only
victim here is Rick Stanley, on behalf of every American."
Rose also spoke before sentencing, referring to Stanley as "the felon."
"Never have I been so personally attacked verbally or threatened with bodily
harm," Rose said. Rose described Stanley as a "paranoid demagogue with delusions
of grandeur."
At one point, Rose asked Stanley to "call off the dogs."
Davies said that other than the events leading up to the sentencing - and four
speeding tickets - Stanley has a clean record. Davies said his client has a
right to free speech.
"There have been no overt threats of violence," Davies said.
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Rick was never a Libertarian. I hate seeing this label stuck to him. He was
and is a gold digger. Like most gold diggers looking for that nugget of self
redemption he a fruitcake.
Six-year prison term for gun-rights activist
Threats to judges called 'an assault' on justice system
By Julie Poppen, Rocky Mountain News
September 11, 2004
BRIGHTON - Gun-rights activist Rick Stanley, a Denver businessman and
former
Libertarian candidate for the U.S. Senate, was sentenced to six years in
prison
Friday for threatening two judges.
Stanley, 49, owner of Stanley Fastener & Shop Supply in northeast Denver,
was
taken from Adams County District Court in handcuffs.
"When you really analyze it, this is an assault on the very system of
justice in
this country," said presiding Judge Joseph R. Quinn, a retired state
Supreme
Court justice.
Stanley's attorney, Brett Davies, said the punishment was "worse" than
expected.
"They've made a monster out of him," Davies said.
In addition to prison time - three years each for the two judges - Stanley
was
sentenced to six years of mandatory parole and ordered to pay $10,000 in
fines,
plus $8,250 restitution to police who worked overtime to protect the
judges.
Quinn set an $80,000 bond and said Stanley must be monitored by the court
until
his appeal is resolved.
Unlike previous court appearances, in which hallways and doorways were
crowded
with police and a SWAT team and metal detectors were deployed, there was
no
extra security at the courthouse Friday.
Davies gave the judge 89 letters of support for Stanley "attesting to his
good
moral character." "Free Rick Stanley" signs dotted roadways.
Stanley was found guilty in late June of two felony counts of attempting
to
influence a public official. He was accused of sending Thornton Municipal
Judge
Charles J. Rose and 17th Judicial District Judge Donald W. Marshall Jr. a
"notice of order" demanding that they reverse his conviction for a weapons
violation or face arrest by Stanley's Mutual Defense Pact Militia and a
trial
for treason.
Rose had convicted Stanley and sentenced him to 90 days in jail for
carrying a
firearm onto public property while campaigning in 2002 in Thornton.
Marshall
upheld the conviction when Stanley appealed.
Stanley argued that his sentence and record should have have been voided
after
Gov. Bill Owens signed a law limiting local governments from regulating
firearms.
Stanley also was arrested in Denver in 2001 for carrying a loaded handgun
in a
holster at a Bill of Rights rally. In June, Stanley's home and business
were
raided by the Internal Revenue Service.
"I think Rick Stanley in prison is where Rick Stanley belongs," said Adams
County District Attorney Robert Grant.
Stanley spoke before the sentencing.
"I was violated by men who have no honor or integrity," Stanley said. "The
only
victim here is Rick Stanley, on behalf of every American."
Rose also spoke before sentencing, referring to Stanley as "the felon."
"Never have I been so personally attacked verbally or threatened with
bodily
harm," Rose said. Rose described Stanley as a "paranoid demagogue with
delusions
of grandeur."
At one point, Rose asked Stanley to "call off the dogs."
Davies said that other than the events leading up to the sentencing - and
four
speeding tickets - Stanley has a clean record. Davies said his client has
a
right to free speech.
"There have been no overt threats of violence," Davies said.
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote
Rick was never a Libertarian. I hate seeing this label stuck to him. He
was
and is a gold digger. Like most gold diggers looking for that nugget of
self
redemption he a fruitcake.
Oh please- he was like a Libertarian with balls; I can see how it'd be
unfamiliar to you.
He's an immensely dislikable man- on first meeting and subsequent from
everybody I've heard. That doesn't make him any less idealistic and sincere
in his beliefs and political positions.
He was convicted of political expression during a political rally- one of
our nation's most sacrosanct contexts.
He wrote a pleading that called attention to a judge's deficiency,
characterized it as reprehensible and deficient to his Oath of Office.
*That* was his 'crime'.
Stanley made no credible threats, if threats at all. He couldn't call a
barbeque, much less some sort of Posse Comitatus/Militia/Gathering of the
Idealists.
I found the charging and conviction to be an expression of what, in fact, he
was already railing against.
I also find it interesting to see you tow the party line.
Nothing he did was worth the gulag.
Chas
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote :
Rick was never a Libertarian. I hate seeing this label stuck to him. He
was and is a gold digger. Like most gold diggers looking for that nugget
of self redemption he a fruitcake.
Agreed. He's a fruitcake with a martyr complex and he got what he wanted.
He's been posting all kinds of crap to some of the Yahoo libertarian groups,
as if he was the @$#*ing messiah and the whole world just doesn't understand
or appreciate him, so now the evil emperor will crucify him. He's off his
rocker and needs therapy more than prison.
--
Grassroots Activist
( no email - spoofed )
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"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
.....He's a fruitcake with a martyr complex and he got what he wanted.
being senator?
He's been posting all kinds of crap to some of the Yahoo libertarian
groups,
as if he was the @$#*ing messiah and the whole world just doesn't
understand
or appreciate him, so now the evil emperor will crucify him. He's off his
rocker and needs therapy more than prison.
Ah; send him to the gulag for his political beliefs?
Thank goodness people like you are in charge.
Chas
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote
Oh please- he was like a Libertarian with balls; I can see how it'd be
unfamiliar to you.
He's an immensely dislikable man- on first meeting and subsequent from
everybody I've heard. That doesn't make him any less idealistic and
sincere in his beliefs and political positions.
He was convicted of political expression during a political rally- one
of our nation's most sacrosanct contexts.
He wrote a pleading that called attention to a judge's deficiency,
characterized it as reprehensible and deficient to his Oath of Office.
*That* was his 'crime'.
No no, that wasn't ALL he did. He invoked a militia mutual defense pact
arrest warrant against a judge. Do you have ANY idea how that freaks out a
tyrant statist judge?
Stanley made no credible threats, if threats at all. He couldn't call a
barbeque, much less some sort of Posse Comitatus/Militia/Gathering of
the Idealists.
What do you call his arrest warrant for the judge?
--
Grassroots Activist
( no email - spoofed )
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
being senator?
No, being martyred silly.
Ah; send him to the gulag for his political beliefs?
Thank goodness people like you are in charge.
I ain't in charge. I think he should get a medal for his defiance of
Denver's unconstitutional law, but he did us more harm than good with what
he did after that.
--
Grassroots Activist
( no email - spoofed )
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"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
No no, that wasn't ALL he did. He invoked a militia mutual defense pact
arrest warrant against a judge. Do you have ANY idea how that freaks out a
tyrant statist judge?
He said that if the judge persisted in breaking his oath of office, a
common-law warrant could be issued, and the judge might taken by someone
unnamed interested in enforcing such things for some reason- a group which
never manifested, never did anything to anyone else of like nature, and may
well exist solely in the fevered imagination of Senatorial Candidate
Stanley.
Hardly a credible threat, if threat at all.
What do you call his arrest warrant for the judge?
No warrant was issued, no warrant was sought, no enforcement mechanism
exists- nor ever has existed by any evidence brought to court. They found
some purported list of militia members and can't even break it enough to
find out if that's true- of course, the hypothetical existence of some
hypothetical group was cogent to the prosecution and proof was that they had
a silver disk that they couldn't read.
The whole process would have to be initiated by the judge abrogating his
Oath of Office, so it's hypothetical in any case.
Nah; nobody was threatened- the entire response was inappropriate, and used
to stifle political expression in Adams County.
He may be a looneytoon, and anti-charismatic, but we tend to protect people
like that.
Would you have been as offended if he had been a Black Panther, a JDL or a
Timorese Separatist? They carry guns and spout rhetoric all the time, and
nobody throws them in prison for six years.
Yes, I went to the trial; I've met Stanley (once) and seen him at a distance
(courthouse), and have no use for his company or his less mainstream
beliefs.
But I would defend to the death his right to say it- ya know?
Chas
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"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
.....He's a fruitcake with a martyr complex and he got what he wanted.
being senator?
No, being martyred silly.
He was idealistic enough to think that the legal system is self-regulating,
and justice would prevail.
Silly ol' him.
I ain't in charge. I think he should get a medal for his defiance of
Denver's unconstitutional law, but he did us more harm than good with what
he did after that.
Actually, the only power the justice system wields is our perception of its
integrity and objectivity. Rick Stanley's case proves that there is little
integrity, little objectivity, at least two tiers of justice and a
subjectivity borne of self-interest by the administrators of that system.
It is just such political expression that is cherished in this country;
bra-burning, tea-dunking, medal throwing, flag-burning, sign-waving
opposition to the administration; and the same in favor of it.
Stanley is an arrogant, condescending, nouveau riche prick- but, they gave
him more than they would for a real crime; six years is a long time, and
$18K a stiff fine for political speech.
Chas
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Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004
We will never forget.
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<VOGdnYidDLQgMNncRVn-pw@comcast.com>...
"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
being senator?
Ah; send him to the gulag for his political beliefs?
Thank goodness people like you are in charge.
Chas
Hey Chas, we know that Rick Stanley is a government PSYOP worker, such
as you and Gartin are too, so we know he isn't going to jail, so where
is he relocating too? Where is his original home before they brought
him to Colorado to play the LP and do "change agent" work such as the
Delphi Technique explains?
Or "facillitator" of which he helped divide & conquer the true LPers
such as Bill Masters and Ari Armstrong, he made people collide as
opposed to mesh & cooperate. But where is he from Chas, we know you're
a PSYOP guy too.
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In Re: __ Libertarian Rick Stanley sent to th Slammer for 6 Years
! __ on 12 Sep 2004 14:16:37 -0600, by Grassroots, we read:
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
No no, that wasn't ALL he did. He invoked a militia mutual defense pact
arrest warrant against a judge. Do you have ANY idea how that freaks out a
tyrant statist judge?
Why did he do it? Surely he didn't expect the judge to relent.
Stanley made no credible threats, if threats at all. He couldn't call a
barbeque, much less some sort of Posse Comitatus/Militia/Gathering of
the Idealists.
What do you call his arrest warrant for the judge?
In as much as there is no such militia, I'd call it an
empty threat.
The question remains as to why he bothered to cause the problem.
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"Strabo" <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote
Why did he do it? Surely he didn't expect the judge to relent.
I opine that he thought there would be a civil battle rather than a criminal
charge. He thought they would complain him, rule against him in law, and the
Appeals would offer a means to justify his political/legalistic view of
Constitutional interpretation.
As a candidate for public office, he cut a very brave figure- a populist in
the extreme.
Remember when his lawyer, Paul Grant, was told by the judge in Denver that
the Constitution didn't apply, and quit trying to raise Constitutional
issues? The 'Home Rule' exception to the Bill of Rights???? Grant was Laura
Kriho's lawyer also- about judicial discretion and such.
Stanley's goofy; no doubt about it- but he's idealistic-goofy, not
out-hanging-judges-goofy. There was never one, single, inferential, implicit
or explicit act on his part; not one. All that time that the SWATzi's spent
hanging around the judge's house was an unconscionable waste of the
taxpayer's money- there was not one single act on Stanley's part that would
lead one to give any credibility to the implication of a hint of a 'threat'.
Remember what he said; he questioned the judges adherence to his Oath of
Office, and offered his reasons why. He said that under some circumstances,
such an abrogation of the oath could be indicted by some Groupus Populous,
take to an as of now non-existent court, served by some non-existent officer
of the non-existent court upon the judge, and after a, presumably,
Constitutional Trial, in which the Defendant is extended all the Rights and
Guarantees of our most idealistically applied theory of jurisprudence, found
guilty and some undefined sanction applied by some non-existent enforcement
agent.
c'mon. That's not cricket for some stupid political boilerplate in a
pleading- particularly in such a politically motivated set of charges in the
first place.
This is the kind of stuff they wrote the '1983 actions' to address; sec.
1985 is about @$#*ing with elections and candidates and voters-
The question remains as to why he bothered to cause the problem.
I met the guy one time- it was during the Spy Files investigation, a
tribunal of judges taking testimony for the Supreme Court. I have a little
story to tell, so I went, and Stanley was using it for a campaign rally. He
had his little creepy campaign manager there, and was gladhanding through
the crowd. He singled me out to give a stump speech to the surrounding
gallery.
I detested him on sight from a distance, much less when he got closer. He's
a nouveau riche, high-school quarterback, president of the student body,
king of the prom kinda guy- not Mr.Charisma <g>
Anyway; he's goof, but that ain't worth six years in a prison. I think it
ought to be some sort of protected political speech, stemming from his
arrest at the political rally for wearing a pistol on stage, to his
funnytime 'common law pleadings' and affectation of some sort of
'following'.
In fact, there was never a proving of any sort of credibility to their claim
that he actually led anything but a very short parade.
I see it as stifling the debate about judicial rectitude, constitutional
rights and guarantees, the integrity of our law enforcement and
prosecutorial systems, equal protection, application and due process of the
law. There's some heavy #@($ there, and it doesn't matter *who* asks the
question.
Throwing him in the gulag is not our best civic answer to his question.
Chas
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Strabo <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote :
In Re: __ Libertarian Rick Stanley sent to th Slammer for 6 Years
! __ on 12 Sep 2004 14:16:37 -0600, by Grassroots, we read:
Why did he do it? Surely he didn't expect the judge to relent.
He's very likely got a messiah and martyr complex.
Stanley made no credible threats, if threats at all. He couldn't call a
barbeque, much less some sort of Posse Comitatus/Militia/Gathering of
the Idealists.
What do you call his arrest warrant for the judge?
In as much as there is no such militia, I'd call it an
empty threat.
I thought he was connected with some Colorado militia. Anyone know?
The question remains as to why he bothered to cause the problem.
See above.
--
Grassroots Activist
( no email - spoofed )
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
"Strabo" <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote
I opine that he thought there would be a civil battle rather than a
criminal charge. He thought they would complain him, rule against him in
law, and the Appeals would offer a means to justify his
political/legalistic view of Constitutional interpretation.
As a candidate for public office, he cut a very brave figure- a populist
in the extreme.
Remember when his lawyer, Paul Grant, was told by the judge in Denver
that the Constitution didn't apply, and quit trying to raise
Constitutional issues? The 'Home Rule' exception to the Bill of
Rights???? Grant was Laura Kriho's lawyer also- about judicial
discretion and such. Stanley's goofy; no doubt about it- but he's
idealistic-goofy, not out-hanging-judges-goofy. There was never one,
single, inferential, implicit or explicit act on his part; not one. All
that time that the SWATzi's spent hanging around the judge's house was
an unconscionable waste of the taxpayer's money- there was not one
single act on Stanley's part that would lead one to give any credibility
to the implication of a hint of a 'threat'. Remember what he said; he
questioned the judges adherence to his Oath of Office, and offered his
reasons why. He said that under some circumstances, such an abrogation
of the oath could be indicted by some Groupus Populous, take to an as of
now non-existent court, served by some non-existent officer of the
non-existent court upon the judge, and after a, presumably,
Constitutional Trial, in which the Defendant is extended all the Rights
and Guarantees of our most idealistically applied theory of
jurisprudence, found guilty and some undefined sanction applied by some
non-existent enforcement agent.
c'mon. That's not cricket for some stupid political boilerplate in a
pleading- particularly in such a politically motivated set of charges in
the first place.
This is the kind of stuff they wrote the '1983 actions' to address; sec.
1985 is about @$#*ing with elections and candidates and voters-
I met the guy one time- it was during the Spy Files investigation, a
tribunal of judges taking testimony for the Supreme Court. I have a
little story to tell, so I went, and Stanley was using it for a campaign
rally. He had his little creepy campaign manager there, and was
gladhanding through the crowd. He singled me out to give a stump speech
to the surrounding gallery.
I detested him on sight from a distance, much less when he got closer.
He's a nouveau riche, high-school quarterback, president of the student
body, king of the prom kinda guy- not Mr.Charisma <g>
Anyway; he's goof, but that ain't worth six years in a prison. I think
it ought to be some sort of protected political speech, stemming from
his arrest at the political rally for wearing a pistol on stage, to his
funnytime 'common law pleadings' and affectation of some sort of
'following'.
In fact, there was never a proving of any sort of credibility to their
claim that he actually led anything but a very short parade.
I see it as stifling the debate about judicial rectitude, constitutional
rights and guarantees, the integrity of our law enforcement and
prosecutorial systems, equal protection, application and due process of
the law. There's some heavy #@($ there, and it doesn't matter *who* asks
the question.
Throwing him in the gulag is not our best civic answer to his question.
Chas
Agreed. There are lots of goofballs doing and saying all kinds of goofball
things, that doesn't mean tax money should be wasted locking them up. I
think in this case they're trying to make an example of him, that the 2nd
Amendment and state Constitution are toilet paper when they go up against
home rule laws!
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"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
He's very likely got a messiah and martyr complex.
so send him to the gulag for political reorientation?
I thought he was connected with some Colorado militia. Anyone know?
What 'Colorado Militia'?
No one ever brought any evidence forward of any such entity. The police
found a disc that they can't decrypt, that they say is a list of such a
group- but who knows?
Certainly none of them ever stepped forward on Stanley's behalf, so they
can't be much if they exist at all.
Chas
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In Re: __ Libertarian Rick Stanley sent to th Slammer for 6 Years
! __ on Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:26:15 -0600, by Chas, we read:
"Strabo" <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote
I opine that he thought there would be a civil battle rather than a criminal
charge. He thought they would complain him, rule against him in law, and the
Appeals would offer a means to justify his political/legalistic view of
Constitutional interpretation.
As a candidate for public office, he cut a very brave figure- a populist in
the extreme.
Remember when his lawyer, Paul Grant, was told by the judge in Denver that
the Constitution didn't apply, and quit trying to raise Constitutional
issues? The 'Home Rule' exception to the Bill of Rights???? Grant was Laura
Kriho's lawyer also- about judicial discretion and such.
Stanley's goofy; no doubt about it- but he's idealistic-goofy, not
out-hanging-judges-goofy. There was never one, single, inferential, implicit
or explicit act on his part; not one. All that time that the SWATzi's spent
hanging around the judge's house was an unconscionable waste of the
taxpayer's money- there was not one single act on Stanley's part that would
lead one to give any credibility to the implication of a hint of a 'threat'.
Remember what he said; he questioned the judges adherence to his Oath of
Office, and offered his reasons why. He said that under some circumstances,
such an abrogation of the oath could be indicted by some Groupus Populous,
take to an as of now non-existent court, served by some non-existent officer
of the non-existent court upon the judge, and after a, presumably,
Constitutional Trial, in which the Defendant is extended all the Rights and
Guarantees of our most idealistically applied theory of jurisprudence, found
guilty and some undefined sanction applied by some non-existent enforcement
agent.
c'mon. That's not cricket for some stupid political boilerplate in a
pleading- particularly in such a politically motivated set of charges in the
first place.
This is the kind of stuff they wrote the '1983 actions' to address; sec.
1985 is about @$#*ing with elections and candidates and voters-
I met the guy one time- it was during the Spy Files investigation, a
tribunal of judges taking testimony for the Supreme Court. I have a little
story to tell, so I went, and Stanley was using it for a campaign rally. He
had his little creepy campaign manager there, and was gladhanding through
the crowd. He singled me out to give a stump speech to the surrounding
gallery.
I detested him on sight from a distance, much less when he got closer. He's
a nouveau riche, high-school quarterback, president of the student body,
king of the prom kinda guy- not Mr.Charisma <g>
Anyway; he's goof, but that ain't worth six years in a prison. I think it
ought to be some sort of protected political speech, stemming from his
arrest at the political rally for wearing a pistol on stage, to his
funnytime 'common law pleadings' and affectation of some sort of
'following'.
In fact, there was never a proving of any sort of credibility to their claim
that he actually led anything but a very short parade.
I see it as stifling the debate about judicial rectitude, constitutional
rights and guarantees, the integrity of our law enforcement and
prosecutorial systems, equal protection, application and due process of the
law. There's some heavy #@($ there, and it doesn't matter *who* asks the
question.
Throwing him in the gulag is not our best civic answer to his question.
Chas
Thanks.
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote :
Agreed. He's a fruitcake with a martyr complex and he got what he wanted.
He's been posting all kinds of crap to some of the Yahoo libertarian
groups,
as if he was the @$#*ing messiah and the whole world just doesn't
understand
or appreciate him, so now the evil emperor will crucify him. He's off his
rocker and needs therapy more than prison.
yep - and that's what I suggested to Robert Grant (Adams County DA). he
needs mental help, not prison. But if you are paying any attention to what
goes on in our wonderful criminal justice system, this is exactly what has
been happening to the mentally ill. They go to prison.
paul
--
Grassroots Activist
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Strabo <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote :
He's very likely got a messiah and martyr complex.
Stanley made no credible threats, if threats at all. He couldn't call
a barbeque, much less some sort of Posse Comitatus/Militia/Gathering of
the Idealists.
What do you call his arrest warrant for the judge?
In as much as there is no such militia, I'd call it an
empty threat.
I thought he was connected with some Colorado militia. Anyone know?
rick said that he was part of a militia group that he started. no one that I
know could find any evidence of this group. Some of the people that he
claimed were members denied his claim. Not that we wouldn't expect them to,
but I know some of these people very well, and didn't expect them to lie to
me about it.
Rick is a racist. his own campaign manager quit after one of his racist
tirads.
He told me that as a first generation american I wasn't really an american
at all. According to Rick I'd have to be a third generation to be an
american! The fact that I hail from jewish upbringing (grandson of a rabbi)
really got him going. He didn't think that it was correct or proper for me
to have a gun - not being an american.
Libertarian principles have nothing to do with where you are from, where you
live, or what religion you are.
He simply is not and was not a Libertarian. he also quit the party a few
days after the 2002 election. and he came from the Reform Party. Just
clueless.
See above.
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"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
being senator?
Ah; send him to the gulag for his political beliefs?
Thank goodness people like you are in charge.
I'm not in charge of #@($. I am in charge of me, that's all.
paul
Chas
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
No, being martyred silly.
I ain't in charge. I think he should get a medal for his defiance of
Denver's unconstitutional law, but he did us more harm than good with what
he did after that.
he dumped two libertarian lawyers. made up a defiant defense that was
pointless. he could easily have said that SB 24 & 25 indemnified him from
prosecution and walked out the door, but he told his very good lawyers to
piss up a rope.
Duncan Philip, who handed him the gun, walked away with that defense.
In many ways Rick was responsible for the passage of SB24 & 25. He didn't
realize that his actions had won freedoms for all citizens and continued to
rag on and on.
silly martyr is correct
paul
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote
He wanted prison. He wanted to be a martyr. He never wanted to be a
senator.
if he'd wanted that then he would have campaigned, but instead he went to
public places and waved a gun in the air.
Yeah; he should have burned his bra, his draft card, thrown away his medals-
it's political speech, Paul.
Chas
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote :
"Grassroots" <Grassroots@no-email.net> wrote
so send him to the gulag for political reorientation?
No, not at all. If it was up to me, I'd free him and give him a medal for
at least standing up against tyranny, and of course I'd get all gun laws
repealed.
I thought he was connected with some Colorado militia. Anyone know?
What 'Colorado Militia'?
No one ever brought any evidence forward of any such entity. The police
found a disc that they can't decrypt, that they say is a list of such a
group- but who knows?
Certainly none of them ever stepped forward on Stanley's behalf, so they
can't be much if they exist at all.
Yeah, let the poor turkey go already.
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WANT TO BUY LOCALLY: USED 12 GAUGE W/18" BARREL SEMI OR PUMP, WINCHESTER OR
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote :
yep - and that's what I suggested to Robert Grant (Adams County DA). he
needs mental help, not prison. But if you are paying any attention to
what
goes on in our wonderful criminal justice system, this is exactly what
has
been happening to the mentally ill. They go to prison.
Or on the streets.
And what will he do in prison? It's a training school for criminals, so
what will it make of him?
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WANT TO BUY LOCALLY: USED 12 GAUGE W/18" BARREL SEMI OR PUMP, WINCHESTER OR
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melissa_lakewood@yahoo.com wrote:
"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote :
what
has
Or on the streets.
And what will he do in prison? It's a training school for criminals, so
what will it make of him?
Just another gun loving criminal. The NRA will be proud to have him as
a member in good standing!
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
if he'd wanted that then he would have campaigned, but instead he went
to
public places and waved a gun in the air.
Yeah; he should have burned his bra, his draft card, thrown away his
medals-
it's political speech, Paul.
Hey, Chas- When you figure out the differences between publicly flaunting
a gun and burning a bra or littering the ground with a medal get back to us,
OK?
Fer crissakes, some of you people are so detached from reality
it's incredible.
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"El Mentho" <no@spam.ha> wrote
Hey, Chas- When you figure out the differences between publicly flaunting
a gun and burning a bra or littering the ground with a medal get back to
us,
OK?
Get real.
Second Amendment rights are important political questions. The right to
carry a pistol is controversial and the solution is in legislation, not
judicial activism.
Moreover, the dilution and mitigation of the Second Amendment is indicative
of the erosion of our other Rights and Guarantees; 1st Amendment, 4th, 5th,
6th and so on.
Where do you think his dissatisfaction comes from?
He's the most regulated and reviled human on the face of the earth; the
private businessman.
Stanley is a fringe political activist, but that's not who this law
describes- he was charged like a member of organized crime threatening a
judge- not a political activist talking about Constitutional
constructionalism.
He threatened nobody; he acted within legal procedure- this was, after all,
a signed, probably notarized, pleading to the Court, not an anonymous letter
threatening a jurist.
It's just not right.
Chas
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Chas wrote:
"El Mentho" <no@spam.ha> wrote
Get real.
Second Amendment rights are important political questions. The right to
carry a pistol is controversial and the solution is in legislation, not
judicial activism.
Moreover, the dilution and mitigation of the Second Amendment is indicative
of the erosion of our other Rights and Guarantees; 1st Amendment, 4th, 5th,
6th and so on.
Where do you think his dissatisfaction comes from?
He's the most regulated and reviled human on the face of the earth; the
private businessman.
Stanley is a fringe political activist, but that's not who this law
describes- he was charged like a member of organized crime threatening a
judge- not a political activist talking about Constitutional
constructionalism.
He threatened nobody; he acted within legal procedure- this was, after all,
a signed, probably notarized, pleading to the Court, not an anonymous letter
threatening a jurist.
It's just not right.
Chas
The Second Amendment is worthless.
But, if brandishing a weapon at the armed forces will get you killed
sooner, by all means, knock yourselves out. The sooner I don't have to
hear you gun loons cackling in the trees, the better off we will all be.
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote :
what
has
Or on the streets.
And what will he do in prison? It's a training school for criminals, so
what will it make of him?
Rick's a smart guy. Not very likeable over the long term, but smart. I don't
think that he will be in the slam for too long once he figures out that he
really doesn't want to be there.
BTW - I have a 12 gauge with a 16" barrel. A pump Mossberg. Its a factory
short barrel. A nice street sweeper.
If you'd consider it, I'll think of a price. I have no use for such a thing.
I also have several handguns (.22 through .44 mag) and a pre-ban Norinco
(SKS) for sale.
paul
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"Paul Tiger" <paul.tiger@paultiger.com> wrote
Yeah; he should have burned his bra, his draft card, thrown away his
medals-
it's political speech, Paul.
Chas
I speak politically all the time. Three candidates meetings yesterday, one
today. Generally, my gun stays locked in the truck. There's a time and place
for everything. First you have to get into office, then change the laws.
Though I've had some pretty good luck at changing laws while wearing a gun,
but it stays in its holster. Taking it out of the holster makes me a target
for hot lead injections, and then what use would I be?
paul
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